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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Maynthemayn: 3:32pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


Well perhaps certain elementary things about God are knowable, but IT remains unknowable in its fullness - by this I mean ineffable and incomprehensible - but the lines here are so subtle I would not wish to argue the point.
How do you know all this?

Also why does the first vibration of existence have all these attributes? Is it to make it mysterious?
What about the second and third vibration of existence?

What's the use of the first vibration of existence?
Existence itself is all around.

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 3:34pm On Feb 21
Aemmyjah:


You're the atheists
Cunningly trying to create this thread
Atheists have nothing meaningful to teach
Just doubt nd confusion to enforce on others or subtly try to make them to adopt
Faith is not, was not and will never be illogical
Atheism is the definition of illogism

Au contraire, I am the umpire, playing devil's advocate for both sides.

Are you sure you are not your religion mainly because it is something you were born into? Are you sure if you were born in Saudi Arabia you won't be a moslem? What logical steps led you to your religion?
Speaking of which, "logical" is: from A you have to go through B to get to C. Faith is from A you can get to Z without the intervening steps of B, C, D, etc.

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 3:38pm On Feb 21
PoliteActivist:


Speaking of which, "logical" is: from A you have to go through B to get to C. Faith is from A you can get to Z without the intervening steps of B, C, D, etc.



I dont think its fair to characterize all people of faith as believing in voodoo or magic as the bold tends to suggest. Many people of faith believe that their God will hold them by the hand from A through B, C, D, E, all the way, step by step through to Z.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 3:39pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


I am not an atheist either. God exists, but is unknowable.

Soo, what led you to the position that God exists? Or are we to just take your word for it?
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 3:39pm On Feb 21
Maynthemayn:

How do you know all this?

Also why does the first vibration of existence have all these attributes? Is it to make it mysterious?
What about the second and third vibration of existence?

What's the use of the first vibration of existence?
Existence itself is all around.

Perhaps so.
Look, I dont really know anything. I just offer my perception and intuition here and there. Discard them if they dont strike a chord or resonate with you.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Maynthemayn: 3:41pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


Perhaps so.
Look, I dont really know anything. I just offer my perception and intuition here and there. Discard them if they dont strike a chord or resonate with you.
your god is part of existence, I got that sha.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 3:42pm On Feb 21
PoliteActivist:


Soo, what led you to the position that God exists? Or are we to just take your word for it?

I already explained to Lordreed in the other thread you created and you were following. So I neednt repeat myself.
There is logic enough to infer the existence of God.

However it is not just logic. I have long described myself as a rational and intuitive deist.
So, beyond logic, there is also intuition.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 3:43pm On Feb 21
Maynthemayn:

your god is part of existence, I got that sha.

You use the word "existence" in an odd way.
Of course anything that exists is "part of existence."

How is that a problem.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 3:44pm On Feb 21
PoliteActivist:


Au contraire, I am the umpire, playing devil's advocate for both sides.

Are you sure you are not your religion mainly because it is something you were born into? Are you sure if you were born in Saudi Arabia you won't be a moslem? What logical steps led you to your religion?
Speaking of which, "logical" is: from A you have to go through B to get to C. Faith is from A you can get to Z without the intervening steps of B, C, D, etc.




To illustrate
It's like a Chelsea fan referring a champions league final game against Manchester united

Like the OP, your comments are unfittig
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Maynthemayn: 3:44pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


You use the word "existence" in an odd way.
Of course anything that exists is "part of existence."

How is that a problem.
So why is your god needed since your god is part of it?
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 3:46pm On Feb 21
Maynthemayn:

So why is your god needed since your god is part of it?

I think this is a self contradictory question.

God is a necessary being. If you dont understand that term in philosophy please read here -

https://rintintin.colorado.edu/~vancecd/phil3600/PVI1.pdf

For anything to exist at all, something or the other must self exist.

God self exists.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 3:46pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


I am not an atheist either. God exists, but is unknowable.

How do you know God exists if he's unknowable?
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Maynthemayn: 3:48pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


I think this is a self contradictory question.

God is a necessary being. If you dont understand that term in philosophy please read here -

https://rintintin.colorado.edu/~vancecd/phil3600/PVI1.pdf

For anything to exist at all, something or the other must self exist.

God self exists.
But your god is already existing as the first vibration of existence?
Why is your god then needed??

You are the one contradicting yourself.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 3:48pm On Feb 21
Aemmyjah:


How do you know God exists if he's unknowable?

You can know a thing or person or entity exists without knowing its nature.
I know you exist, and yet I dont know your character.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 3:50pm On Feb 21
Maynthemayn:

But your god is already existing as the first vibration of existence?

You are the one contradicting yourself.


The way you use the word "existence" is very confusing to me.
Its possible I am contradicting myself but I do know I honestly cannot cope with the way you are using that word, so i have to let it be.
Cheers.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Maynthemayn: 3:53pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


The way you use the word "existence" is very confusing to me.
Its possible I am contradicting myself but I do know I honestly cannot cope with the way you are using that word, so i have to let it be.
Cheers.
There was never a time existence didn't exist, I might even agree that your god is the first vibration, then why is your god needed?


Existence means being, it's there in your philosophy too. Check it out.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 3:55pm On Feb 21
Maynthemayn:

There was never a time existence didn't exist, I might even agree that your god is the first vibration, then why is your god needed?


Existence means being, it's there in your philosophy too. Check it out.

As for the bold, I agree, even though you have written in an odd manner again.
Good Afternoon.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Maynthemayn: 3:58pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


As for the bold, I agree, even though you have written in an odd manner again.
Good Afternoon.
That's what made it Possible for your to "self exist".

I am using it the right way, it's you that should rewind.

Universe means everything that existence, so why is your god needed when its also part of everything that existence?
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 4:00pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


I dont think its fair to characterize all people of faith as believing in voodoo or magic as the bold tends to suggest. Many people of faith believe that their God will hold them by the hand from A through B, C, D, E, all the way, step by step through to Z.

It is not voodoo AT ALL! It is the essence of faith!
In Hebrews 11 St. Paul says "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see".
How is being SURE of what you hope for logical? How is it logical to believe an entity can say something and it happens just like that - and that's how the universe was created? Faith is not, and doesn't claim to be, logical
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 4:00pm On Feb 21
Maynthemayn:

That's what made it Possible for your to "self exist".

I am using it the right way, it's you that should rewind.

Universe means everything that existence, so why is your god needed when its also part of everything that existence?

I dont know.
Good afternoon.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 4:01pm On Feb 21
PoliteActivist:


It is not voodoo AT ALL! It is the essence of faith!
In Hebrews 11 St. Paul says "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see".
How is being SURE of what you hope for logical? How is it logical to believe an entity can say something and it happens just like that - and that's how the universe was created. Faith is not, and doesn't claim to be, logical

There are levels to logic.

A seer who sees the future in his dreams can hope for a thing invisible to you, and yet not be illogical.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Maynthemayn: 4:03pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


I dont know.
Good afternoon.
You already have a lot of assumptions about this god which is influenced by the Monotheistic gods around you.
Everyone knows that a creation needs a creator but why do you assume that universe is a creation?


Also you say it's an unknown god, the Greeks, agnostos, worships it too.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 4:05pm On Feb 21
Maynthemayn:

You already have a lot of assumptions about this god which is influenced by the Monotheistic gods around you.
Everyone knows that a creation needs a creator but why do you assume that universe is a creation?


Also you say it's an unknown god, the Greeks, agnostos, worships it too.


I said I dont know. And I withdraw all my statements.
Good afternoon.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 4:05pm On Feb 21
Maynthemayn:

You already have a lot of assumptions about this god which is influenced by the Monotheistic gods around you.
Everyone knows that a creation needs a creator but why do you assume that universe is a creation?


Also you say it's an unknown god, the Greeks, agnostos, worships it too.


I said I dont know. And I withdraw all my statements.
Good afternoon.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 4:05pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


You can know a thing or person or entity exists without knowing its nature.
I know you exist, and yet I dont know your character.

On what basis do you know that I exist?
You don't know all about me but you cannot say I'm unknowable
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Maynthemayn: 4:06pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


There are levels to logic.

A seer who sees the future in his dreams can hope for a thing invisible to you, and yet not be illogical.
Lol, this seer is a fraud.
The future and the past does not exist, only this present moment exist, and it is eternity.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Maynthemayn: 4:07pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


I said I dont know. And I withdraw all my statements.
Good afternoon.
Good, you know you don't know.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 4:07pm On Feb 21
Maynthemayn:

Lol, this seer is a fraud.
The future and the past does not exist, only this present moment exist, and it is eternity.

If eternity is one forever moment, then time is still and if that be the case one can look to the left and and behold the past or even go there and one can look to the right and behold the future and even go there.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 4:07pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


There are levels to logic.

A seer who sees the future in his dreams can hope for a thing invisible to you, and yet not be illogical.

A seer SEES something. Faith doesn't require you see anything. It is being SURE your incurable cancer will soon be cured. It is placebo effect. It is NOT meant to be logical!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 4:08pm On Feb 21
PoliteActivist:


A seer SEES something. Faith doesn't require you see anything. It is being SURE your incurable cancer will soon be cured. It is placebo effect. It is NOT meant to be logical!

The seer still has faith in what he beholds. Without that, he would dismiss the dream as a dream.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Maynthemayn: 4:10pm On Feb 21
DeepSight:


If eternity is one forever moment, then time is still and if that be the case one can look to the left and and behold the past or even go there and one can look to the right and behold the future and even go there.
What's one forever moment?
You are always in the moment.

Lol, are you not already using the moment to
look left and right?

Moment to Moment, that's it.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by DeepSight(m): 4:10pm On Feb 21
Aemmyjah:


On what basis do you know that I exist?

Unless I am hallucinating your responses or you are a bot, both of which seem eminently unlikely to me.

You don't know all about me but you cannot say I'm unknowable

Because you are not transcendent. You are a mortal being living in this same world with me.

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