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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 3:34pm On Mar 27
Steep:
see stupidity, if the universe is not real but only in your head, then what is your head and where is your head located? Thought without thinker foolishness.

"Your head" is euphemistic. We actually mean "your thoughts", which we are NOT sure of it's true nature.
Where do your thoughts come from? Where do your dreams come from?
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 3:35pm On Mar 27
budaatum:


Doesn't matter what he is. What matters is that he uses his head and is honest, unlike some.

I thought you said religionists don't use their heads?
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 3:42pm On Mar 27
triplechoice:


Then, what's that thing we all collectively refer to as water, and what should it be called?

That's the point, we don't know. Neither do we know what are oxygen and hydrogen which make it up. We met them here and gave them those names. Quantum mechanics is teaching us everything is information, only information exists
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 3:46pm On Mar 27
triplechoice:


I have gone through the thread and cannot find any evidence that what you have been saying is the same as Sam Harry's


Well, I wrote this below. Isn't it similar to Harris?

If you don't believe there is a supernatural, then you must agree that the "self", the individual person, doesn’t exist - it is an illusion of accumulated memory. If your memory is wiped, "you" seizes to exit TOTALLY. If another person's memory is put in that body, that person becomes "you". Same applies to a dog or anything else. You are your accumulated memory, NOTHING ELSE! Without memory the individual, the "self", does not exist!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 3:50pm On Mar 27
triplechoice:
@ PoliteActivist,
When you transcend the illusion of the self through contemplation according to Sam Harry, "where" do you arrive at?

You realize there is no "you" that's separate from everything else. "You" seizes to exist
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 3:53pm On Mar 27
triplechoice:
"Could exist entirely in your head" is hypothetical and not truth statement

And where "is really there" ?
Inside your head or out there?


Everything is hypothetical. We basically don't know anything.

About "really there", that's the point, we have no way of being sure. We perceive it's out there
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 3:59pm On Mar 27
budaatum:


It's not only religionist who are not entertaining your junk here. Even atheists are not buying it because of your illogical dishonesty, which is not an illusion and does not exist entirely in anyone's head since we are intelligent enough to see right through real you.

I'm actually the one saying the truth. Which part of my post below is a lie?

Here's the TRUTH:
You find yourself in this reality. You don't AT ALL know what it is. You don't know if it's an illusion (like Einstein thinks), a matrix, a simulation, a hallucination, a dream, a heaven, a hell, a prison, if you have free will in it or you just have illusion of free will, if the reality is being manipulated, if you're being manipulated, where your thoughts come from, whether you are the one actually thinking them, what thinking actually is, where your dreams come from, whether there is a "you" at all (atheist Sam Harris says there is not), wether things are predetermined (as Einstein thought), etc., etc.. All you know is that there seem to be things going on and you seem to be in them {or they seem to be in you - to the extent there is a "you"}
Bottom line: YOU DON'T HAVE THE FOGGIEST IDEA WHAT THIS IS or what is truly going on!

To compound all that, you find out you are practically blind (you see 0.003% of light), that you don't know what 95% of stuff around you is, that you only perceive 4 dimensions out of hundreds, and that on a cosmic scale, your earth practically doesn't exist - if the universe were shrunk to size of earth, your earth won't be visible even with the strongest microscope!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 4:06pm On Mar 27
y3mi:

Abeg who you know wey don see shape shifting demons everyday.

See below. There are people actually in spiritual wars
Cultism, for instance, is spiritual

Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 4:15pm On Mar 27
y3mi:

Those who are 100% sure that the supernatural doesn't exist bear a nuanced understanding of that word - "supernatural" They process it only within a the framwork of Christo-judeo myths repackaged into religion.

Supernatural is as to me as it would be to a 11th century English man seeing how I press some things on my phone screen and he sees an image of himself captured. He yells... "This must only be the work of a devil."

Both you atheists and theists have got lots of retuning to do, because both are as confuse as they come.


Until they remove the limit the mind to explore. The world behind the world can be revealed.

Science though is the ultimate supernatural gift that allows man to understand what make the natural super.

Well, scientists have determined there are possibly 100's of dimensions while we perceive only 4. What would you call beings from those dimensions?
Also geniuses, including Einstein, Tesla, Drake, Muhammed, etc saud they were fed thoughts. Where are those thoughts from?

The problem with our science is that
it is like we are trying to answer the question: X+5=?, without knowing AT ALL what X is, wether X is even a number at all or a goat! It is also why our greatest thinkers end up saying we don't know anything - if you don't know what X is, you don't know anything!

Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 4:21pm On Mar 27
PoliteActivist:


I thought you said religionists don't use their heads?

I am saying you don't use your head!

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 4:27pm On Mar 27
kkins25:



As I said in my previous response, your arguments, or Sam's statement for that matter, only make sense in the context of perception of reality and not that of questioning the existence of reality.

Unless, of course, you have a different understanding of reality.

A little side note:

I think the point you are trying to make is that the nature of reality, as we know it, may not be the real representation of reality. What we perceive of reality is limited to our five senses, which we heavenly rely on to define our surroundings. Correct?

We cannot question the nature of existence if we don't exist, can we?

Sam's statement is about whether you actually exist as you perceive yourself. In reality you don't. It is an illusion.

As for questioning, you are assuming that questioning can't exist by itself. You have no way of being sure of that. Dead people think and question while dead. Seems thought can exist without a "you"
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 4:30pm On Mar 27
budaatum:


I am saying you don't use your head!

😅
So you are conceding religionists do use their heads?
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 4:33pm On Mar 27
PoliteActivist:


😅
So you are conceding religionists do use their heads?

I am not conceeding to you who does not know you have a head.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 4:39pm On Mar 27
budaatum:


I am not conceeding to you who does not know you have a head.

Anyway I suspect you're a figment of my imagination, so what does it matter😆
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 4:44pm On Mar 27
PoliteActivist:


Anyway I suspect you're a figment of my imagination, so what does it matter

I have wondered. And I can just about see you arguing with the figment of your imagination', except my own real self is not agreeing with your figment self and is calling your figment self out just as I'd hope your real self would, though you haven't shown you'd listen to your self at all not to talk of my self.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 4:48pm On Mar 27
budaatum:


I have wondered. And I can just about see you arguing with the figment of your imagination', except my own real self is not agreeing with your figment self and is calling your figment self out just as I'd hope your real self would, though you haven't shown you'd listen to your self all not to talk of my self.

Sam Harris says your "real self" is an illusion, I only agree with him
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 4:51pm On Mar 27
PoliteActivist:


Sam Harris says your "real self" is an illusion, I only agree with him

I'm not surprised you would "only agree with" whoever, since you don't consider yourself real enough to form your own opinion or view of your own self.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 4:58pm On Mar 27
budaatum:


I'm not surprised you would "only agree with" whoever, since you don't consider yourself real enough to form your own opinion or view of your own self.

Oh. my opinion is that I am extremely real, the realest niccur u ever met. Problem is in "sure". I have no way of being SURE!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 5:02pm On Mar 27
PoliteActivist:


Oh. my opinion is that I am extremely real, the realest niccur u ever met. Problem is in "sure". I have no way of being SURE!

Your opinion is that you are extremely real but you are not sure you are real?

You should listen to yourself so you hear how you sound.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by y3mi(m): 5:58pm On Mar 27
PoliteActivist:


Well, scientists have determined there are possibly 100's of dimensions while we perceive only 4. What would you call beings from those dimensions?
Also geniuses, including Einstein, Tesla, Drake, Muhammed, etc saud they were fed thoughts. Where are those thoughts from?

The problem with our science is that
it is like we are trying to answer the question: X+5=?, without knowing AT ALL what X is, wether X is even a number at all or a goat! It is also why our greatest thinkers end up saying we don't know anything - if you don't know what X is, you don't know anything!
Dimensions from a theoretical sense as it's relates to complex maths and physics enriches our understanding as to what define our reality beyond what we readily perceive as thus. It is you who have concluded other dimensions are bearer of beings. I think what you meant , as I'll put it... they could be realities wherein other consciousness (entities) operates on more dimensions than ours so they possibly could be inaccessible to us, metaphysically speaking however there are ways by which those before us could connect to them, either to acquire insight, noesis, knowledge, truth, clarity, foresight etc.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by triplechoice(m): 6:43pm On Mar 27
PoliteActivist:


That's the point, we don't know. Neither do we know what are oxygen and hydrogen which make it up. We met them here and gave them those names. Quantum mechanics is teaching us everything is information, only information exists

No. I don't agree with you.

We know enough of what water is and what it's made of through interacting and experimenting with it .

But If you, yourself, are not sure or confused about what it's, then you can try this little experiment to clear your confusion.

Stop using that we all call water for three weeks starting from today; Don't drink it and don't bathe with it, and after then, please
come back to share your experience with us so we learn from you..

It's said that nothing can be known except through its opposite. I believe when you experience the opposite of not using water
for that period of time you will learn something..

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Steep(m): 7:19pm On Mar 27
PoliteActivist:


"Your head" is euphemistic. We actually mean "your thoughts", which we are NOT sure of it's true nature.
Where do your thoughts come from? Where do your dreams come from?
lol
Since you are not sure of the true nature of thoughts, how do you know that thought exist,
Or that dreams exist? Explain.
can you define reality?

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 7:24pm On Mar 27
triplechoice:


No. I don't agree with you.

We know enough of what water is and what it's made of through interacting and experimenting with it .

But If you, yourself, are not sure or confused about what it's, then you can try this little experiment to clear your confusion.

Stop using that we all call water for three weeks starting from today; Don't drink it and don't bathe with it, and after then, please
come back to share your experience with us so we learn from you..

It's said that nothing can be known except through its opposite. I believe when you experience the opposite of not using water
for that period of time you will learn something..

LoLz. This why I find all these kinds of people uninteresting. If they could demonstrate a set of experiences where this reality they insist isn't really real was in fact different under the same set of circumstances we could have had something to truly dig into. Alas this is yet to be had. She is going to drink this water she claims is not really real. Bwahahahahahaha!

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by triplechoice(m): 7:24pm On Mar 27
PoliteActivist:


Everything is hypothetical. We basically don't know anything.

About "really there", that's the point, we have no way of being sure. We perceive it's out there
You're generalise nearly everytime. Everything is not hypothetical.

We "basically" know something, but not everything. That's the correct thing to say, or maybe it's you who " don't know anything" , your own words in quote, and assume everyone else doesn't .

We don't need to be completely sure of what's "out there" before we start interacting with it through our senses. That's what our reality is,and it's about time you embraced it to end confusion.

And we have been doing that , interacting with what's out there, and that's why, for instance, it's possible for both of us to have this conversation through the gains of such interaction; the Internet.

A blind person from birth is still able to interact with it's environment to be "sure of what's out there , how much you with eyes to see., but seem not to want to use because you already assume it's inadequate.

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Steep(m): 7:26pm On Mar 27
PoliteActivist:


I thought you said religionists don't use their heads?
Is this about mocking religious people?
You are even more religious than the so called religious people.

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by triplechoice(m): 7:28pm On Mar 27
LordReed:


LoLz. This why I find all these kinds of people uninteresting. If they could demonstrate a set of experiences where this reality they insist isn't really real was in fact different under the same set of circumstances we could have had something to truly dig into. Alas this is yet to be had. She is going to drink this water she claims is not really real. Bwahahahahahaha!

Maybe she wouldn't drink it since she wants to be sure first. lol

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 7:31pm On Mar 27
Steep:
Is this about mocking religious people?
You are even more religious than the so called religious people.

I'm delighted you point this out to him.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Steep(m): 7:43pm On Mar 27
budaatum:


I'm delighted you point this out to him.
yea she is only trying to divert. I would wish that you budatum repent and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour, though this is not the purpose of the thread, I would love to hear your response in another thread.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by y3mi(m): 7:55pm On Mar 27
LordReed:


And how do you interact with these Non Physical Realities without your physical senses?
Where was it implied what I chose to term non physical realities was been interacted with?

It's like you saying the word love has lost its meaning, and you'd rather use affection or enamored, then I come to ask you who were you enamored by to have you develop affection.

Like WTH!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 8:01pm On Mar 27
Steep:
yea she is only trying to divert. I would wish that you budatum repent and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour, though this is not the purpose of the thread, I would love to hear your response in another thread.

You are very welcome to start a thread to explain why your wish should concern or matter to buda.

In that thread kindly tell what you assume buda has to repent from.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 8:17pm On Mar 27
y3mi:

Where was it implied what I chose to term non physical realities was been interacted with?

It's like you saying the word love has lost its meaning, and you'd rather use affection or enamored, then I come to ask you who were you enamored by to have you develop affection.

Like WTH!

So you just defined something into existence?

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Steep(m): 8:33pm On Mar 27
budaatum:


You are very welcome to start a thread to explain why your wish should concern or matter to buda.

In that thread kindly tell what you assume buda has to repent from.
Alright! When I can

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