A worker in her sermon says even though someone lost his Earthly glory through sin or whatsoever that there's still hope for the person to make Heaven which is the greatest glory which Jesus Christ promised only if the fellow is in Christ, do his will and believe in me till the end. But another worker says that if someone miss his/her Earthly Glory which God has given the person, he or she will never make heaven.

Please which one is right with your own understanding?

Righteousness for lifetime or repentance before death takes one to heaven. That's all.

Dtruthspeaker:
You sound correct but you are only tentatively correct eg Esau repented before death yet was he not accepted.

The case of Esau happened before the birth of Jesus Christ. The birth, the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ changed a lot of things and fulfilled a lot of requirements to give man salvation.

With the acceptance of Christ, old things are passed away and all things are become new. God gave us Jesus Christ that whosoever believes in Jesus Christ will not perish but have everlasting life.

ADDED:
My reference to the salvation brought by Jesus Christ is wrong in this context. The reason for Esau's case is that his repentance was not genuine. Read the story well for a proper understanding of it. Then, check Hebrew 10:26, which says, "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.". Meanwhile, my reference to the salvation does not imply that God changes. So, my mistake of talking about the salvation brought by Jesus Christ does not imply that God changes. So, this guy trying to twist my reference to the salvation is not justified.

immortalcrown:
Righteousness for lifetime or repentance before death takes one to heaven. That's all.

You sound correct but you are only tentatively correct eg Esau repented before death yet was he not accepted.

femijay8271:
A worker in her sermon says even though someone lost his Earthly glory through sin or whatsoever that there's still hope for the person to make Heaven which is the greatest glory which Jesus Christ promised only if the fellow is in Christ, do his will and believe in me till the end. But another worker says that if someone miss his/her Earthly Glory which God has given the person, he or she will never make heaven.

Please which one is right with your own understanding?

It is not guaranteed. The only way is exactly what the bible instructed for even the righteous are scarcely saved.

femijay8271:
A worker in her sermon says even though someone lost his Earthly glory through sin or whatsoever that there's still hope for the person to make Heaven which is the greatest glory which Jesus Christ promised only if the fellow is in Christ, do his will and believe in me till the end. But another worker says that if someone miss his/her Earthly Glory which God has given the person, he or she will never make heaven.

Please which one is right with your own understanding?

Your salvation is not based on your works but entirely on the finished work of Christ on calvary. Else people will boast that's it's their efforts that saved them.
Yours is to believe in Christ & this finished work.

Of course that's no licence to sin, but instead to live above sin.

So the 1st worker is right. 👍

GanagiBitrus:


Your salvation is not based on your works but entirely on the finished work of Christ on calvary. Else people will boast that's it's their efforts that saved them.
Yours is to believe in Christ & this finished work.

Of course that's no licence to sin, but instead to live above sin.

Hmmmm.... Okay

Dtruthspeaker:


It is not guaranteed. The only way is exactly what the bible instructed for even the righteous are scarcely saved.

Can you please explain more sir?

immortalcrown:
Righteousness for lifetime or repentance before death takes one to heaven. That's all.

Learning sir

Dtruthspeaker:


You sound correct but you are only tentatively correct eg Esau repented before death yet was he not accepted.

Sure he was.

Please, I really want this to be on frontpage.
I have a lot to learn from this.

GanagiBitrus:


Your salvation is not based on your works but entirely on the finished work of Christ on calvary. Else people will boast that's it's their efforts that saved them.
Yours is to believe in Christ & this finished work.

Of course that's no licence to sin, but instead to live above sin.



So the 1st worker is right.👍

Following sir

femijay8271:


Sure he was.

How can he be correct when.Esau repented before death yet was he not accepted?

Dtruthspeaker:
You sound correct but you are only tentatively correct eg Esau repented before death yet was he not accepted.

The case of Esau happened before the birth of Jesus Christ. The birth, the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ changed a lot of things and fulfilled a lot of requirements to give man salvation.

With the acceptance of Christ, old things are passed away and all things are become new. God gave us Jesus Christ that whosoever believes in Jesus Christ will not perish but have everlasting life.

ADDED:
My reference to the salvation brought by Jesus Christ is wrong in this context. The reason for Esau's case is that his repentance was not genuine. Read the story well for a proper understanding of it. Then, check Hebrew 10:26, which says, "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.". Meanwhile, my reference to the salvation does not imply that God changes. So, my mistake of talking about the salvation brought by Jesus Christ does not imply that God changes. So, this guy trying to twist my reference to the salvation is not justified.

femijay8271:


Can you please explain more sir?

I believe you are calling blessed shiny children as "earthly glory".

What you are calling "glory" is actually the perversion of "glow-ry". This spelling was created to hide Truth and darken understanding for glow.means shine. And this where you appreciate where the scripture said "The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee...

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Secondly, if you look at the such blessed people, you would see that those who lost their glow were almost never accepted by God eg Esau, Joseph, David, Absalom, Solomon etc.

Dtruthspeaker:


How can he be correct when.Esau repented before death yet was he not accepted?

Sure you are right.

Dtruthspeaker:


I believe you are calling blessed shiny children as "earthly glory".

What you are calling "glory" is actually the perversion of "glow-ry". This spelling was created to hide Truth and darken understanding for glow.means shine. And this where you appreciate where the scripture said "The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee...

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Secondly, if you look at the such blessed people, you would see that those who lost their glow were almost never accepted by God eg Esau, Joseph, David, Absalom, Solomon etc.

Waooo... I'm learning

immortalcrown:
The case of Esau happened before the birth of Jesus Christ. The birth, the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ changed a lot of things and fulfilled a lot of requirements to give man salvation..

Are you saying The Lord changeth.and doth not.keepeth His Word?

Dtruthspeaker:
Are you saying The Lord changeth.and doth keepeth His Word?

What is the base of this your logic? What signifies the change you mentioned here?

GanagiBitrus:

Your salvation is not based on your works but entirely on the finished work of Christ on calvary. Else people will boast that's it's their efforts that saved them.
Yours is to believe in Christ & this finished work.

Of course that's no licence to sin, but instead to live above sin.

So the 1st worker is right. 👍

You are wrong and misleading others.

First, What is the work which Christ did and finished? And .What does believe in christ mean?

immortalcrown:
What is the base of this your logic? What signifies the change you mentioned here?

The base is exactly what i said. You all do not take in mind that "The Lord never ever changes and that His Word is always in operation.

And that is why i put it to you, Are you saying The Lord changeth.and doth not keepeth His Word?

Dtruthspeaker:
The base is exactly what i said. You all do not take in mind that "The Lord never ever changes and that His Word is always in operation.
Abd that is why i put it to you, Are you saying The Lord changeth.and doth keepeth His Word?

What exactly do you consider a change in the Lord? Stop beating around the bush.

immortalcrown:
What exactly do you consider a change in the Lord? Stop beating around the bush.

Answer the question first, if you truly believe that you have not said that God changes and that He changes His Word.

Dtruthspeaker:


You are wrong and misleading others.

First, What is the work which Christ did and finished? And .What does believe in christ mean?

Believe that Christ is Son of God & He laid down His life and resurrected to save you from Sin (wages of sin in death) & reconciled you to God.
You are justified by this faith. 👍

Dtruthspeaker:
Answer the question first, if you truly believe that you have not said that God changes and that He changes His Word.

I never said that God changes. I never said anything to imply that God changes.

Why exactly do claim I imply that God changes? Your question to me is baseless until you prove otherwise.

immortalcrown:
I never said that God changes. I never said anything to imply that God changes.

Why exactly do claim I imply that God changes? Your question to me is baseless until you prove otherwise.

Did you not say, "The birth, the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ changed a lot of things and fulfilled a lot of requirements to give man salvation. ....old things are passed away and all things are become new.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not say, "The birth, the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ changed a lot of things and fulfilled a lot of requirements to give man salvation. ....old things are passed away and all things are become new.

1.
Christ changed Lazarus by raising Lazarus from death. Does this imply that God changes?

2.
Saul got touched, he repented and changed his name to Paul. Does this imply that God changes?

3.
Jesus showed Zachaeus how to repent and make heaven. Does this imply that God changes?

4.
God changed the status of Jabez. Does this imply that God changes?

5.
Jesus healed the woman who had the issue of blood. Does this imply that God changes?

6.
Jesus healed the man at the pool of Bethesda. Does this imply that God changes?

7.
Jesus promised a thief that the thief will make Heaven. Does this imply that God changes?

Answer these questions to show how my comment implies that God changes. Answer these questions if you are right in your interpretation of my comment.

I made a mistake by talking about the salvation brought by Jesus Christ. But the mistake is in a different context and does not mean you are right in your claim. My main comment is not the correct reason for the situation of Esau, but does not imply that God changes. The actual reason for Esau's situation is that his repentance is not genuine. Read the story well to properly understand it.

immortalcrown:
1.
Christ changed Lazarus by raising Lazarus from death. Does this imply that God changes?
...

See now you are showing that you truly thought Gad changed for didn't God raise people from death before Christ even came?

And did God not save people even before Christ came?

So you speak erroneously when you said "changed a lot of things" for 99% of what Christ did, God already did before Christ came.
for God never changes

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you are showing that you truly thought Gad changed for didn't God raise people from death before Christ even came?

And did God not save people even before Christ came?

So you speak erroneously when you said "changed a lot of things" for 99% of what Christ did, God already did before Christ came.
for God never changes

Either you are drunk or you are deliberately being mischievous here. That Christ changed some things and brought salvation to mankind is a fact, not an error. And it does not mean that God changes. Even you have not been able to explain how this means that God changes.

The error in my main comment is that I should not have presented given the salvation as the reason for Easu's situation.

Meanwhile, you have not answered any of my questions.

immortalcrown:
Either you are drunk or you are deliberately being mischievous here. That Christ changed some things and brought salvation to mankind is a fact, not an error. And it does not mean that God changes. Even you have not been able to explain how this means that God changes.

The error in my main comment is that I should not have presented given the salvation as the reason for Easu's situation.

Meanwhile, you have not answered any of my questions.

See it, now you are the one being snaky because you see that you spoke erroneosly and thought wrongly and now that you are being challenged, you have gotten very angry and refused to answer questions put to you.

And now here you are changing the argument fron "Do you say The Lord changeth and doth not keepeth His Word?" which you refused to answer only to now change int to "Christ changed some things".thereby confessing that "That Christ changed some things".

Whereas you forget that Christ did not come on His Own but came under The Commandment of God and even followed The Commandments of God.

So Christ's Acts are all Acts of God. So the question is Did God change and do things differently?

The bible clearly shows that the answer is "No" for when everything Christ Did, we can see that He Did upto 99% all of what God had already done even before He came eg He saved people and raised the dead.

So. Christ did not change any of God's Things, as He even clearly satated in Mathew 5:17

Rather He reiterated them by Re-Doing them

Mr immortal, you're a good man. I bless the day i start to follow you

GanagiBitrus:

Believe that Christ is Son of God & He laid down His life and resurrected to save you from Sin (wages of sin in death) & reconciled you to God.
You are justified by this faith. 👍

I did not ask what to do with christ.

I asked "What is the work which Christ did and finished? And .What does believe in christ mean?"

And your re not being abie to answer this question or refusal to do so clearluy proves you are wrong and you do not know what you say.

Dtruthspeaker:
See it, now you are the one being snaky because you see that you spoke erroneosly and thought wrongly and now that you are being challenged, you have gotten very angry and refused to answer questions put to you.

And now here you are changing the argument fron "Do you say The Lord changeth and doth not keepeth His Word?" which you refused to answer only to now change int to "Christ changed some things".thereby confessing that "That Christ changed some things".

Whereas you forget that Christ did not come on His Own but came under The Commandment of God and even followed The Commandments of God.

So Christ's Acts are all Acts of God. So the question is Did God change and do things differently?

The bible clearly shows that the answer is "No" for when everything Christ Did, we can see that He Did upto 99% all of what God had already done even before He came eg He saved people and raised the dead.

So. Christ did not change any of God's Things, as He even clearly satated in Mathew 5:17

Rather He reiterated them by Re-Doing them

Either you are drunk or you are deliberately being mischievous here. That Christ changed some things and brought salvation to mankind is a fact, not an error. And it does not mean that God changes. Even you have not been able to explain how this means that God changes.

The error in my main comment is that I should not have presented given the salvation as the reason for Easu's situation.

Meanwhile, you have not answered any of my questions.