immortalcrown:

ADDED:
My reference to the salvation brought by Jesus Christ is wrong in this context. The reason for Esau's case is that his repentance was not genuine. Read the story well for a proper understanding of it. Then, check Hebrew 10:26, which says, "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.".

Which "genuine" is more than a seeking repentance with tears and care?

Dtruthspeaker:
Which "genuine" is more than a seeking repentance with tears and care?

How did Esau seek repentance?

Dtruthspeaker:


I did not ask what to do with christ.

I asked "What is the work which Christ did and finished? And .What does believe in christ mean?"

And your re not being abie to answer this question or refusal to do so clearluy proves you are wrong and you do not know what you say.

What is the work which Christ did and finished?
He came down to earth to dwell among men, suffered a painful death & laid down His life for our sake.

What does believe in christ mean?
Believe that Christ is Son of God & He laid down His life and resurrected to save us from Sin (wages of sin in death) & reconciled us to God.

Salvation is as simple as that. Maybe you have a mindset that it is complex. 👍

immortalcrown:
Either you are drunk or you are deliberately being mischievous here. That Christ changed some things and brought salvation to mankind is a fact, not an error. And it does not mean that God changes. Even you have not been able to explain how this means that God changes.

The error in my main comment is that I should not have presented given the salvation as the reason for Easu's situation.

Meanwhile, you have not answered any of my questions.

Right now you are the one playing drunk and being deceitful in pretending to not see that

1) You refused to answer my own question of which i asked you first but you refused it because you saw that it made you look like you spoke rubbish. So.you dodged it!

2) Only the portion about Christ raising the dead (Lazarus) was relevant to the issue at hand, which is Christ's Acts. All others were mere repetitions and examples of Christ's acts, so they had no point.

And now that you see that you had no valid or reasonable thing to say in counter to my response, you are now dubiously playing madness and insanity.

Dtruthspeaker:
Right now you are the one playing drunk and being deceitful in pretending to not see that

1) You refused to answer my own question of which i asked you first but you refused it because you saw that it made you look like you spoke rubbish. So.you dodged it!

2) Only the portion about Christ raising the dead (Lazarus) was relevant to the issue at hand, which is Christ's Acts. All others were mere repetitions and examples of Christ's acts, so they had no point.

And now that you see that you had no valid or reasonable thing to say in counter to my response, you are now dubiously playing madness and insanity.

You have not provided the base for your question to me. I don't answer baseless questions.

GanagiBitrus:

What is the work which Christ did and finished?
He came down to earth to dwell among men, suffered a painful death & laid down His life for our sake.

This cannot be work for every man is doing this thing you call work! And many have died for other people eg the man who died saving his children from drowning or the 9/11 firefighters.

GanagiBitrus:

What does believe in christ mean?
Believe that Christ is Son of God & He laid down His life and resurrected to save us from Sin (wages of sin in death) & reconciled us to God. 👍

If you say, this is what belief in Christ means, then why do i need to believe in Christ?

For, if i believe Seyi Tinubu is Tinubu's son, and he died and came back to live again of what relevance is this to me?

immortalcrown:
You have not provided the base for your question to me. I don't answer baseless questions.

You say this after you have already responded to when i told you the basis? Clear proof you are now playing mad because you know you have nothing reasonable to say in counter to me.

Dtruthspeaker:
You say this after you have already responded to when i told you the basis? Clear proof you are now playing mad because you have nothing to counter me.

Your question remains baseless.

My error in the conversation is unrelated to your claim about my comment. So, your question to me is baseless.

immortalcrown:
How did Esau seek repentance?

Hebrews 12:17 said the "how"!

immortalcrown:
Your question remains baseless.

My error in the conversation is unrelated to your claim about my comment. So, your question to me is baseless.

Rubbish!

You say this because you see you are wrong

Dtruthspeaker:
Hebrews 12:17 said the "how"!

This does not answer my question.

Why don't you quote the part where Esau repented? Why don't you quote the chapter that contains the story of Esau?

Dtruthspeaker:
Rubbish!

You say this because you see you spoke are wrong

Baseless!

immortalcrown:
This does not answer my question.

Why don't you quote the part where Esau repented? Why don't you quote the chapter that contains the story of Esau?

See deflecting!

The bible via Genesis and Hebrews 12:17, has already answered you whether you like it or not!

So if you don't have any chapter or part of the bible which has Esau's story proving that Paul lied against Esau in Hebrews 12:17, then poof!

immortalcrown:
Baseless!

Clear proof you are wrong and now you.have gone crazy because you see you have nothing to say in counter.

Dtruthspeaker:
Clear proof you are wrong and now you.have gone crazy!

Baseless!

immortalcrown:
Baseless!

Clear proof you are wrong and now you.have gone crazy because you see you have nothing to say in counter.

Dtruthspeaker:
See deflecting!

The bible via Genesis and Hebrews 12:17, has already answered you whether you like it or not!

So if you don't have any chapter or part of the bible which has Esau's story proving that Paul lied against Esau in Hebrews 12:17, then poof!

The Hebrew verse does not say Esau repented. Show the verse where he tried to repent.

Dtruthspeaker:
Clear proof you are wrong and now you.have gone crazy because you see you have nothing to say in counter.

Baseless!

immortalcrown:
The Hebrew verse does not say he repented. Where in Genesis did Esau repent?

Clearly, you have gone mad to the point that you are ready to lie against Paul and the bible, because it does not match your delusions.

Argue with Hebrews 12:17
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17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Dtruthspeaker:


This cannot be work for every man is doing this thing you call work! And many have died for other people eg the man who died saving his children from drowning or the 9/11 firefighters.



If you say, this is what belief in Christ means, then why do i need to believe in Christ?

For, if i believe Seyi Tinubu is Tinubu's son, and he died and came back to live again of what relevance is this to me?

When it comes to salvation, only Jesus Christ who is without sin is qualified to atone for your sins.

When you truly believe that Christ laid down His life to save you from eternal death, you will realise you now live for Christ & you will naturally start doing things to please him.

If Tinubu sent his son to come & die in your place, won't you naturally start doing things to please Tinubu?

So in essence, it's your Faith in who Christ is, & what he has done for you that guarantees Salvation.
It's not your works. Your works are a natural response to that Faith.

Dtruthspeaker:
Clearly, you have gone mad to the point that you are ready to lie against Paul and the bible, because it does not match your delusions.

Argue with Hebrews 12:17
K
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Why are you not willing to quote the verse where he tried to repent? You are quoting only the part that is just a reference to his case. Go to the chapters that contain his story, show me when he tried to repent.

The verse you are quoting only says he sought repentance. Quote where he sought the repentance.

GanagiBitrus:

When it comes to salvation, only Jesus Christ who is without sin is qualified to atone for your sins.

When you truly believe that Christ laid down His life to save you from eternal death, you will realise you now live for Christ & you will naturally start doing things to please him.

So in essence, it's your Faith in who Christ is, & what he has done for you that guarantees Salvation.
It's not your works. Your works are a natural response to that Faith.

You are dodging the question! I did not ask "When it comes to salvation/When i truly believe"...

I asked

"This cannot be work for every man is doing this thing you call work! And many have died for other people eg the man who died saving his children from drowning or the 9/11 firefighters.

If you say, this is what belief in Christ means, then why do i need to believe in Christ?

For, if i believe Seyi Tinubu is Tinubu's son, and he died and came back to live again of what relevance is this to me?"

If you are not abie to answer this question we understand for we already know that you are now knowing that you are wrong and do not know Christ nor know what belief in Christ means!

immortalcrown:
Why are you not willing to quote the verse where he tried to repent? You are quoting only the part that is just a reference to his case. Go to the chapters that contain his story, show me when he tried to repent.

The verse you are quoting only says he sought repentance. Quote where he sought the repentance.

If you want to lie against Paul and the bible, because it does not match your delusions, come out of your darkness and do it.

Meanwhile Argue with Hebrews 12:17
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

So.knock yourself silly!

Dtruthspeaker:
If you want to lie against Paul and the bible, because it does not match your delusions, come out of your darkness and do it.

Meanwhile Argue with Hebrews 12:17
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

So.knock yourself silly!

Why are you not willing to quote the verse where he tried to repent? You are quoting only the part that is just a reference to his case. Go to the chapters that contain his story, show me when he tried to repent. Hebrew is not the main book for the story of Esau. Why are you dodging the book that contains the full story of Esau? Go to the book about him and show how he sought repentance.

The verse you are quoting only says he sought repentance. Quote where he sought the repentance.

Dtruthspeaker:


You are dodging the question! I did not ask "When it comes to salvation/When i truly believe"...

I asked

"This cannot be work for every man is doing this thing you call work! And many have died for other people eg the man who died saving his children from drowning or the 9/11 firefighters.

If you say, this is what belief in Christ means, then why do i need to believe in Christ?

For, if i believe Seyi Tinubu is Tinubu's son, and he died and came back to live again of what relevance is this to me?"

If you are not abie to answer this question we understand for we already know that you are now knowing that you are wrong and do not know Christ nor know what belief in Christ means!

It's OK if my answers are not satisfactory. Perhaps you know more than I do & I'm willing to learn.
So pls...
1. What is Salvation
2. What's the requirement for Salvation.

GanagiBitrus:


It's OK if my answers are not satisfactory. Perhaps you know more than I do & I'm willing to learn.
So pls...
1. What is Salvation
2. What's the requirement for Salvation.

Your answers fail because they are not supported by God and Truth. That was why atheists were able to tear down those who wrongly called themselves Christians.

Because any belief that is not based on Truth, is tearable and fallable. Whereas Truth has no fall in it that is why it is a Law "that there is no valid argument against the Truth"

Thus the first question is salvation from what? Or salvation from Who/who?

immortalcrown:
...The verse you are quoting only says he sought repentance. Quote where he sought the repentance.

Isn't it crazy that you confess that he sought repentance yet, you are asking where did he seek repentance?

Is "sought" not proof of a person's past action of seeking?

Have you descended so low into madmess and delusion that you are pretending not to know basic englsh again? Men argue with Hebrews 12:17

Dtruthspeaker:
Isn't it crazy that you confess that he sought repentance yet, you are asking where did he seek repentance?

Is "sought" not proof of a person's past action of seeking?

Have you descended so low into madmess and delusion that you are pretending not to know basic englsh again? Men argue with Hebrews 12:17

Why are you not willing to quote the verse where he tried to repent? You are quoting only the part that is just a reference to his case. Go to the chapters that contain his story, show me when he tried to repent. Hebrew is not the main book for the story of Esau. Why are you dodging the book that contains the full story of Esau? Go to the book about him and show how he sought repentance.

The verse you are quoting only says he sought repentance. Quote where he sought the repentance.

Dtruthspeaker:


Your answers fail because they are not supported by God and Truth. That was why atheists were able to tear down those who wrongly called themselves Christians.

Because any belief that is not based on Truth, is tearable and fallable. Whereas Truth has no fall in it that is why it is a Law "that there is no valid argument against the Truth"

Thus the first question is salvation from what? Or salvation from Who/who?

It's OK. Your perspective on the subject is of no personal value to me & you are entitled to it.
My responses were actually for the sake of other readers. 👋

immortalcrown:
Either you are drunk or you are deliberately being mischievous here. That Christ changed some things and brought salvation to mankind is a fact, not an error. And it does not mean that God changes. Even you have not been able to explain how this means that God changes.

The error in my main comment is that I should not have presented given the salvation as the reason for Easu's situation.

Meanwhile, you have not answered any of my questions.

You are very right sir..... The salvation that Jesus Christ brought to all mankind is the real fact here.

Dtruthspeaker:

Which "genuine" is more than a seeking repentance with tears and care?

Did Esau REPENTED or CRYING due to his lost?

Perhaps you don't know the meaning of that word "repent" it means you regretting your actions and willingness to go back and right the wrong but Esau never did that what he was targeting is riches and since he later became rich he taught he has gotten the blessing he deserves not knowing that what Jacob saw was far much more than material things, it was the blessing of becoming the one through whom the Saviour will be born.
That was what Jacob bought from Esau with a plate of stew not material blessings!

GanagiBitrus:


It's OK. Your perspective on the subject is of no personal value to me & your are entitled to it.
My responses were actually for the sake of other readers. 👋

I know, but clearly, you can see you are standing on sinking and sinkable grrounds and not on Christ as my probing has proved,

Any ground or belief that is not on Christ a sinking and sinkable sand, so love yourself and find The Solid Rock of Christ.