Dtruthspeaker:


I know, but clearly, you can see you are standing on sinking and sinkable grrounds and not on Christ as my probing has proved,

Any ground or belief that is not on Christ a sinking and sinkable sand, so love yourself and find The Solid Rock of Christ.

You are wrong, but let's not argue about that - readers seeking the biblical truth will discern.

GanagiBitrus:

You are wrong, but let's not argue about that - readers seeking the biblical truth will discern.

Argument is the way we find and prove Truth, for lies do not stand tbe test of fair ans valid argument. So, if you believe you.are saying the Trutb, then you must prove it by makng valid arguments.

So, you cannot say i am.wrong when technicallly i have not said anything it is rather you who said.which i probed andyou could answer no further.because you stand was sunk.

And you.have said you don't care to know or test mine, so no problem. Find another ground to stand upon but do know that if it is sinkable, i will sink it when i see it.

MaxInDHouse:


Did Esau REPENTED or CRYING due to his lost?

Argue that with Hebrew 12:17
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Dtruthspeaker:

Argue that with Hebrew 12:17
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

That's what i'm asking you:

Was Esau REPENTANT due to his mistakes or seeking material blessings?

Dtruthspeaker:


Argument is the way we find and prove Truth, for lies do not stand tbe test of fair ans valid argument. So, if you believe you.are saying the Trutb, then you must prove it by makng valid arguments.

So, you cannot say i am.wrong when technicallly i have not said anything it is rather you who said.which i probed andyou could answer no further.because you stand was sunk.

And you.have said you don't care to know or test mine, so no problem. Find another ground to stand upon but do know that if it is sinkable, i will sink it when i see it.

An argument becomes fruitless when both parties don't have common grounds for argument; which in this case should be the Bible.
&your response to my simple questions on meaning of Salvation clearly showed this.

GanagiBitrus:

An argument becomes fruitless when both parties don't have common grounds for argument; which in this case should be the Bible.
&your response to my simple questions on meaning of Salvation clearly showed this.

We all know that good and right arguments are based on Truth fullnes, fairness, reasonability, validity, equality, etc

And my response to your question was to ascertain how far and deep your knowledge on salvation was, so that we would both see and know what grounds we speak and ask any reasonable and fair questions from.

MaxInDHouse:

That's what i'm asking you:

Was Esau REPENTANT due to his mistakes or seeking material blessings?

Did the bible not lay out how Esau's sinned? Did the bible say mistake or material blessings was his sin?

Dtruthspeaker:

Did the bible not lay out how Esau's sinned? Did the bible say mistake or material blessings was his sin?

Which sin exactly did Esau committed?

Dtruthspeaker:


We all know that good and right arguments are based on Truth fullnes, fairness, reasonability, validity, equality, etc

And my response to your question was to ascertain how far and deep your knowledge on salvation was, so that we would both see and know what grounds we speak and ask any reasonable and fair questions from.

Thank God you are not a Lawyer else you will lose all your cases in court trying to establish an argument based on truth, fullness etc without reference to the Constitution.

Those days I used to watch one TV programme featuring a Christian, a muslim, Eckist, Judaist, Free Thinker, traditionalist etc & they'll argue on a topic.
Of course it often ended in confusion without arriving at any consensus opinion. Lol!

So my brother, anything outside the realm of Science & empirical knowledge is subjective, based on your personal experiences & beliefs, and not what we can argue about.

GanagiBitrus:

Thank God you are not a Lawyer else you will lose all your cases in court trying to establish an argument based on truth, fullness etc without reference to the Constitution.

Thank God i am a Lawyer and all the cases that people have read and called just and right and fair are all based on Truth and proof of Truth and Law.

GanagiBitrus:

Those days I used to watch one TV programme featuring a Christian, a muslim, Eckist, Judaist, Free Thinker, traditionalist etc & they'll argue on a topic.
Of course it often ended in confusion without arriving at any consensus opinion. Lol!

You see how your own ended where even you saw you could not substantiate and prove your case? Same thing for the crown guy? If you or i are wrong, thst wrongness would be shining and screaming, so don't worry bout that.

GanagiBitrus:

So my brother, anything outside the realm of Science & empirical knowledge is subjective, based on your personal experiences & beliefs, and not what we can argue about.

Truth is natural and universal and is not confined to any part of life and living and interest.

MaxInDHouse:

Which sin exactly did Esau committed?

If you read the bible you would have seen them!

femijay8271:


You are very right sir..... The salvation that Jesus Christ brought to all mankind is the real fact here.

Did God not already save men even before Jesus Came?

Dtruthspeaker:

If you read the bible you would have seen them!

You just like talking without knowledge.

Esau didn't commit any sin going by what the Bible teaches because it's when there is a breaking of rules that you can confirm someone sinned but Esau did not break any rules.

MaxInDHouse:

You just like talking without knowledge.

Esau didn't commit any sin going by what the Bible teaches because it's when there is a breaking of rules that you can confirm someone sinned but Esau did not break any rules.

Yet, the bible said he tried repenting.

Dtruthspeaker:

Yet, the bible said he tried repenting.

Good! Now you're talking.
Esau married Canaanites which his grandfather (Abraham) kicked against but he's not observant enough to notice it's against the tradition Abraham laid down. Deborah quickly instructed Jacob not to do the same thing.
That was the blunder he committed which has not even become a commandment yet.
The God of Abraham and the God of Isaac was not in support of such a child to continue with the blessing that comes from Abraham that's how he lost out.

MaxInDHouse:


Good! Now you're talking.
Esau married Canaanites which his grandfather (Abraham) kicked against but he's not observant enough to notice it's against the tradition Abraham laid down. Deborah quickly instructed Jacob not to do the same thing.
That was the blunder he committed which has not even become a commandment yet.
The God of Abraham and the God of Isaac was not in support of such a child to continue with the blessing that comes from Abraham that's how he lost out.

Now you admit that he committed a sin!

Dtruthspeaker:

Now you admit that he committed a sin!

That's not a common "SIN" otherwise a lay man like you could have figured it out when i asked you.
Today only Jehovah's Witnesses strongly hold on to that tradition of Abraham and when people like you want to criticize us you will call us devils for upholding such a tradition!

MaxInDHouse:

That's not a common "SIN" otherwise a lay man like you could have figured it out when i asked you.

As long as you have confessed that you saw one of Esau's sins, my case is made.

Dtruthspeaker:

As long as you have confessed that you saw one of Esau's sins, my case is made.

That's why we are knowledgeable than you because you're just being lousy you can't pinpoint what the man did wrong yet you are quick in calling people "devil"
Well keep that in your memory courtesy what JWs taught you!

MaxInDHouse:


That's why we are knowledgeable than you because you're just being lousy you can't pinpoint what the man did wrong yet you are quick in calling people "devil"
Well keep that in your memory courtesy what JWs taught you!

As long as you have confessed that you saw one of Esau's sins, where before you were lying since jws are devils and liars, lying that Esau did't sin only to now confess that he did, my case is made, jw devil!

Dtruthspeaker:

As long as you have confessed that you saw one of Esau's sins, where before you were lying since jws are devils and liars, lying that Esau did't sin only to now confess that he did, my case is made, jw devil!

Admit that you've been taught what you didn't know!

MaxInDHouse:

Admit that you've been taught what you didn't know!

Clearly, your madness has returned!

Dtruthspeaker:

Clearly, your madness has returned!

At least i taught you what Esau got wrong and you never knew it before!

MaxInDHouse:

At least i taught you what Esau got wrong and you never knew it before!

Clearly your madness has returned!

Dtruthspeaker:

Clearly your madness has returned!

Humbly admit that you've learned something today from one of Jehovah's Witnesses you're not going to be flogged if you teach your household what i just taught you!

MaxInDHouse:

Humbly admit that you've learned something today from one of Jehovah's Witnesses you're not going to be flogged if you teach your household what i just taught you!

Like i have said your madness has returned!

Dtruthspeaker:

Like i have said your madness has returned!

That's what your type said about Jesus Christ so it's not new! John 10:20

MaxInDHouse:

That's what your type said about Jesus Christ so it's not new! John 10:20

Like i have said, your madness has now returned

Dtruthspeaker:

Like i have said, your madness has now returned

Confused dullard.
You just jump into conversations without any knowledge all you do is insult and call people names.

MaxInDHouse:

Confused dullard.
You just jump into conversations without any knowledge all you do is insult and call people names.

Like i have said your madness has returned!