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Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 8:17am On Jul 15, 2019
RiskelWillow:


I never claimed the 2018 Cavs would beat the Warriors and I can't remember anyone being that bold. We were excited however that after the trades the team was an improvement on the toxic waste they had.

And that's the thing. Everything about pretty much every team is based on what's on paper right now cause all the major contenders are significantly different from what they were a season ago. When you speak of lack of balance what do you mean?

Defense? We've got Green, Bradley and KCP for perimeter defense and AD and JaVale in the interior. Might get Iguodala too. Both Frank Vogel and Lionel Hollins were brought in for their defense.

Offense? We've got two of the best offensive forces in the game maybe 3 if anything that resembles the old boogie returns and a rising star in Kyle Kuzma.

Shooting? Green Bradley Daniels KCP Dudley Cook heck everyone on this roster bar rondo and JaVale has a 3 ball and even Rondo has improved in that regard. Might get Kyle Korver too.

Playmaking? We've got two of the best basketball minds in the history of the game.


So what is this balance you speak of? This roster is as versatile as any other in the NBA if not more.

I said I would get back to this, so let me do so now.

Like I said before, maybe 3-5 years ago this roster would have been scary because you would have had AD and Boogie on 20+/10+ in terms of ppg and rpg and then the icing on the cake would have been Lebron. But barring AD who is still approaching his peak no other player is at that level you are projecting anymore.

First off, this team is filled with many players who somewhat play or can deputize in the same roles. There is, in my eyes, an over-duplication of roles that the media are glossing over. And when the roles are not being duplicated, they seem to overlap themselves which portends questionable team chemistry.

Who are supposed to be the starters? You do know that a lineup starting boogie is just a recipe for abuse on defence and fouls? So if we take him out, you limit the slight spread he would have offered to Javale McGee whose only noteworthy defence will be interior shot blocking but that would not really matter since most of the teams you would face in the west have decent perimeter shooting.

AD is a beast and Lebron is still great on offence and his reading of the game. But how does he offset what the defence cannot do. Green's defence is overrated. We all saw him against GSW. He had one customary great game and was breaking knees and waists en route to fouling out. He would not be a starter. And any strategy you set hoping your bench plays defence for you is poop. So it feels like the starting line up will bleed and then somehow the limited bench that can shoot if wide open will be tasked to stave the bleeding and somehow still compete on offence? What have we seen from that bench to indicate anything of the sort will happen?

Hope you can very well see that your team is a slow one that will be run ragged by fast-paced offences? Hope you realize that all that running will tire your big dogs or force them to more load management in readiness for the playoffs? Any combination that mixes the top dogs with the so-called 40% 3pt shooters like Cook and co will also weaken any average defence the Lakers were going to play. Cook played for GSW I know him. So the length and offence that the LAL pose would only have made sense with speed and athleticism which, and sad to say, most of those players don't have as such anymore- and that includes Lebron.

Surely, a slower tempo grind out playoff game will potentially favour your team. Where pounding the glass, and post-up play could go a long way. We saw a preview of this in the 2017 Pelicans but even at that, they were not contenders. So I don't see what the fuss is about. The LAL are better than they were last season, but again I ask, how much better? 13+ win swing?

The WC is a lot different than the east. The team's that barely scrape 50wins don't usually go on to be exponentially better in the playoffs. The trends have shown it. So the "we can be 3rd or 4th seeds and become something else crunch time", does not translate. And even then, when driving lanes are sealed would you put your money on the line for your starters or bench to start raining shots? LOL.

The legs of most of the players on this roster are not where they used to be. And 1 or 2 good one on one defenders cannot change that. Pelinka knew this, which was why they were going all out for Kawhi. It was to overload the team with talent such that the obvious lapses won't matter. Which is why I asked you repeatedly why you wanted him at all costs if you were very certain Lebron and AD were already going to win it all before he arrived?

All I am saying is not in any way implying that the team is absolutely rubbish because it is not. But I wager when the season begins, the dust will settle and the hype train will stop and people will come to realize this is not that team. LAC is more athletic than yours with comparable length and significantly better defenders. Then Kawhi and PG are clutch free throw shooters. I can't say enough about their bench led by Sweet Lou. And a 13 win swing on them means 61 wins. So they are actually better than the LAL.

And when the LAL don't win it this coming season, Lebron will be 36 and still declining. Which is why I said he won't win a ring in LA. I am predicting the first casualty will be Vogel getting the boot. Lebron will have some heroic games but how many can he have to will this team to 50+ wins when every game will be like the playoffs? You guys have a target on your backs.

The post is getting too long so I will leave it here.

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Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 8:46am On Jul 15, 2019
steady986:

Lol. Marcus and Markief Morris with the Suns.

For non twins, Goran and Zoran Dragic. For 2 teams in fact

Say thank you
I was talking about twins and another pair of brothers at the same time as you can see
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 10:27am On Jul 15, 2019
Eruditor:


I said I would get back to this, so let me do so now.
First off, i have to congratulate you because i've never seen a person say so much without saying anything. Your claim in the first place was this team wasn't balanced and your post was gruesome to your bottom line.

Like I said before, maybe 3-5 years ago this roster would have been scary because you would have had AD and Boogie on 20+/10+ in terms of ppg and rpg and then the icing on the cake would have been Lebron. But barring AD who is still approaching his peak no other player is at that level you are projecting anymore.
What level are you talking about? An elite level? Prime or not is lebron suddenly not elite or at least better than most other superstars? Is there a better duo in the NBA right now? Do you mean young? Is there any contender bar the nuggets and the 76ers with a young core of more than one elite star coming into their prime? Granted, a few years ago this team wouldn't have been scary it would have been unfair but even now its supreme.

First off, this team is filled with many players who somewhat play or can deputize in the same roles. There is, in my eyes, an over-duplication of roles that the media are glossing over. And when the roles are not being duplicated, they seem to overlap themselves which portends questionable team chemistry.
This is a very important point "duplication" but not in terms of the lakers. See as far as role players duplication is not an issue as long as it perfectly compliments the core of the team. I frankly don't see how duplication especially with role players creates issues with chemistry, if anything it makes for a more seamless fusion.

Now i say duplication is very important because this is something people tend to overlook and why i do not fear the clippers. their superstars, their very core are almost exactly the same player. Makes it 100 percent easier to plan for. But with the lakers you plan for lebron and say maybe it works, your plan for AD will probably fail and vice versa. And people talk about the fragility of the lakers core forgetting that the clippers are just as fragile, Kawhis quad is deteriorating and PG has also had his injury issues, just had surgery on both shoulders and will miss the start of the season.

Who are supposed to be the starters? You do know that a lineup starting boogie is just a recipe for abuse on defence and fouls? So if we take him out, you limit the slight spread he would have offered to Javale McGee whose only noteworthy defence will be interior shot blocking but that would not really matter since most of the teams you would face in the west have decent perimeter shooting.
This question poses a very simple solution, if javale cant provide the spacing needed we can simply slide AD in at center. Problem solved. This is the versatility i speak of, we can start an all defensive team and an all offensive team as need be.

AD is a beast and Lebron is still great on offence and his reading of the game. But how does he offset what the defence cannot do. Green's defence is overrated. We all saw him against GSW. He had one customary great game and was breaking knees and waists en route to fouling out. He would not be a starter. And any strategy you set hoping your bench plays defence for you is poop. So it feels like the starting line up will bleed and then somehow the limited bench that can shoot if wide open will be tasked to stave the bleeding and somehow still compete on offence? What have we seen from that bench to indicate anything of the sort will happen?
Again another simple solution, if green struggles we simply slot in KCP who is also a good defender. Our spread assures that we have good defenders starting and good defenders on the bench. No specific duty will fall to a particular unit.

Like i said, we are speculating based off of whats on paper right now cause thats all we can do.

Hope you can very well see that your team is a slow one that will be run ragged by fast-paced offences? Hope you realize that all that running will tire your big dogs or force them to more load management in readiness for the playoffs? Any combination that mixes the top dogs with the so-called 40% 3pt shooters like Cook and co will also weaken any average defence the Lakers were going to play. Cook played for GSW I know him. So the length and offence that the LAL pose would only have made sense with speed and athleticism which, and sad to say, most of those players don't have as such anymore- and that includes Lebron.
Lebrons teams have always ranked at the top as far as pace because he specializes in pushing the pace except when hes playing against GS. Load management is inevitable, its something we've resigned to and regardless of how we play we know its necessary to go into the playoffs with fresher legs. Cook may not actually get a lot of minutes with the lakers as a matter of fact, other shooters bar daniels are 3 and D specialists who don't just offer shooting but can hold their own on defense as well.

Surely, a slower tempo grind out playoff game will potentially favour your team. Where pounding the glass, and post-up play could go a long way. We saw a preview of this in the 2017 Pelicans but even at that, they were not contenders. So I don't see what the fuss is about. The LAL are better than they were last season, but again I ask, how much better? 13+ win swing?
The pelicans didn't have Lebron. You keep comparing these two teams when two only one player from that team is a starter for the lakers.

The WC is a lot different than the east. The team's that barely scrape 50wins don't usually go on to be exponentially better in the playoffs. The trends have shown it. So the "we can be 3rd or 4th seeds and become something else crunch time", does not translate. And even then, when driving lanes are sealed would you put your money on the line for your starters or bench to start raining shots? LOL.
I don't really care about seeding. You speak of hypothetical situations that apply to every team out there as if its the lakers that have to go through it. How can the nuggets or 76ers or warriors or clippers be sure that their role players will step up when push comes to shove?

The legs of most of the players on this roster are not where they used to be. And 1 or 2 good one on one defenders cannot change that. Pelinka knew this, which was why they were going all out for Kawhi. It was to overload the team with talent such that the obvious lapses won't matter. Which is why I asked you repeatedly why you wanted him at all costs if you were very certain Lebron and AD were already going to win it all before he arrived?
You were asking me this silly question over and over i didnt answer then because i didnt feel it deserved a response. "if the lakers were good enough why did they go after kawhi?" LOL! Why wouldn't they? which team wouldn't go after a player they thought would make them better regardless of how good they are if thought they had a good chance? And the rest of the roster also hadnt been filled out at that point so you can say he was plugging holes that didnt exist cause they lakers only had 3 players on their roster. The lakers as built are the best team in the league, beatable? maybe. Kawhi would have erased all doubts.


All I am saying is not in any way implying that the team is absolutely rubbish because it is not. But I wager when the season begins, the dust will settle and the hype train will stop and people will come to realize this is not that team. LAC is more athletic than yours with comparable length and significantly better defenders. Then Kawhi and PG are clutch free throw shooters. I can't say enough about their bench led by Sweet Lou. And a 13 win swing on them means 61 wins. So they are actually better than the LAL.
But the hype is currently with the clippers. In fact you are hyping them right now. Sure Lou is a problem off the bench, but who else? We have rondo, KCP, Boogie and maybe even kuzma coming off the bench, and will at least offset anything he provides. Everything else you said is redundant when we are top to bottom a better team than they are.

And when the LAL don't win it this coming season, Lebron will be 36 and still declining. Which is why I said he won't win a ring in LA. I am predicting the first casualty will be Vogel getting the boot. Lebron will have some heroic games but how many can he have to will this team to 50+ wins when every game will be like the playoffs? You guys have a target on your backs.
They've been prognosticating lebrons decline for 6 years now, and every time hes proven them wrong when it mattered most bar last seasons injury which may have actually been good for him in the long run. Unless this decline actually happens all you can do is speculate. Like i always say, lebron without his athleticism is a better shooting version of magic johnson. I'm excited about vogel, he's a proper defensive coach and if his defense clicks we know theres no stopping the lakers on the offensive end. It's over for the NBA.


I hate that the new season is a few weeks away and all we can do now is postulate because i'd much rather just show you.

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Re: The NBA Begins by birdman(m): 10:39am On Jul 15, 2019
Roland17:


Since Brodie joined the Rockets, are you leaving the Rockets?

nah, Im just going to have to wait this out....as in hold my nose for 2 or 3 years. Im not sure how to watch the games though.. I usually am not a hater but something about WB rubs me the wrong way.

Maybe he will grow on me. We will see... grin
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 12:28pm On Jul 15, 2019
The year is 2060, they are still waiting for LeBron to decline.

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Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 1:37pm On Jul 15, 2019
Nick Wright is the best pure analyst on TV. Yes i said it, he may not be the best entertainer, he may not go about screaming balderdash but when it comes to using facts to support his point no one does it better. He also picks his poison and dies by it if necessary unlike the other flip floppers. People hate him because hes a LeBron stan, take that out of the equation, he's the gold standard and it's not even close. Yeah i said it.
Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 2:42pm On Jul 15, 2019
A40:
I was talking about twins and another pair of brothers at the same time as you can see
Just like they have in the Bucks? Right
Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 3:20pm On Jul 15, 2019
RIP to probably My Favourite Boxer of all time Pernell Whittaker. It's been a pleasure to watch you perform what I can only describe as a work of art over the years. Damn Sweet Pea you'll be solely missed.
Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 3:27pm On Jul 15, 2019
Ah, my friend Eruditor returns cheesy How was the exile I sent you on?

A quick take on one or two of your points.

Eruditor:



Like I said before, maybe 3-5 years ago this roster would have been scary because you would have had AD and Boogie on 20+/10+ in terms of ppg and rpg and then the icing on the cake would have been Lebron. But barring AD who is still approaching his peak no other player is at that level you are projecting anymore.


Lol to the portion in bold. AD is at his peak already. LeBron is also at his peak. Boogie is getting close to something like his peak. He averaged 16ppg and 8rpg in 25mins with GS last season. For a third or 4th option, that would be excellent.

Eruditor:


First off, this team is filled with many players who somewhat play or can deputize in the same roles. There is, in my eyes, an over-duplication of roles that the media are glossing over. And when the roles are not being duplicated, they seem to overlap themselves which portends questionable team chemistry.


You speak as if Cook, Green, KCP, Bradley, Caruso and co are all going to be on the floor at the same time. But that clearly isn't going to be the case. An over-duplication means that at all times, the Lakers can afford to have at least 2 good shooters on the floor, not having to worry about over-playing anybody in any given game

Eruditor:


And when the LAL don't win it this coming season, Lebron will be 36 and still declining


I've asked you to show me proof that LeBron is declining but you have failed to. Your saying he's declining is not nearly enough proof

Eruditor:


The WC is a lot different than the east. The team's that barely scrape 50wins don't usually go on to be exponentially better in the playoffs. The trends have shown it. So the "we can be 3rd or 4th seeds and become something else crunch time", does not translate

You're basing your argument on the fact that you think Lakers will win 50 games. From what ever calculations you made, did you put into consideration the fact that LeBron was injured last season? Thus the 37 wins? I know you might say LeBron could still get injured this season, but the difference is we have AD this time around. Without LeBron's injury last season( plus the disharmony as a result of the trade rumours) we win 50 games. Now you can add your 13 games. How's that for a honest calculation? But I say we win 60 games this season.
Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 3:37pm On Jul 15, 2019
RiskelWillow:
Nick Wright is the best pure analyst on TV. Yes i said it, he may not be the best entertainer, he may not go about screaming balderdash but when it comes to using facts to support his point no one does it better. He also picks his poison and dies by it if necessary unlike the other flip floppers. People hate him because hes a LeBron stan, take that out of the equation, he's the gold standard and it's not even close. Yeah i said it.

That's the plain truth. But obviously the blinded LeBron haters will never see this.

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Re: The NBA Begins by Hardetayour: 6:08pm On Jul 15, 2019
LOL

Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 7:23pm On Jul 15, 2019
Troy Daniels's mouth is writing a cheque his body can't cash.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 7:25pm On Jul 15, 2019
Hmm CP3 on the Lakers seems very interesting. On paper he has the tools to fit in. But it's the human aspects that concern me. Him and Rondo in the same locker room would be super hilarious!
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 7:43pm On Jul 15, 2019
chic2pimp:
RIP to probably My Favourite Boxer of all time Pernell Whittaker. It's been a pleasure to watch you perform what I can only describe as a work of art over the years. Damn Sweet Pea you'll be solely missed.
Max Kellerman would be gutted. That was probably his favorite fighter
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 11:01pm On Jul 15, 2019
grin

Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 5:44am On Jul 16, 2019
Top 8 players on 2K. I don't know about KD being below Kawhi but given the year Kawhi had I guess it's reasonable. You'll soon come to find that this echelon you put the Klaw in as good as he is, he doesn't belong.


Others

Harden: 96
Curry: 95
AD: 94
PG: 93

Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 5:51am On Jul 16, 2019
Uh oh! Here comes that LeBron decline they've been telling us about.

Yes, LeBron's longevity is partly due to his natural God given durability and how he's managed to avoid any major injuries. But that's nothing without his dedication and awareness about his body. You can tell he's trying to slim down to prolong his career, these are things that many players know but don't want to do the work as far as what it takes to keep your body in optimal shape.

Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 5:55am On Jul 16, 2019
The Warriors should give JR a contract after what he did for them in 2018. And honestly, after seeing the rest of their roster they may need him cheesy
Re: The NBA Begins by Khanben: 6:23am On Jul 16, 2019
RiskelWillow:
Uh oh! Here comes that LeBron decline they've been telling us about.

Yes, LeBron's longevity is partly due to his natural God given durability and how he's managed to avoid any major injuries. But that's nothing without his dedication and awareness about his body. You can tell he's trying to slim down to prolong his career, these are things that many players know but don't want to do the work as far as what it takes to keep your body in optimal shape.


Lebron is a physical marvel, who has been blessed to be near injury free through out his career. That sliming down technique has also been used by CR7 to prolong his career as he ages.
Hoping for a great season from lebron especially during the playoffs, that will make this season one for the ages.

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Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 7:52pm On Jul 16, 2019
A lot of guileless people think space jam is about Lebron copying Jordan, nay! Its about erasing everything the bald degenerate stood for. It's about brainwashing the upcoming generation just like just like the alcoholic reprobate did. Soon when you think of the number 23 the only person who comes to mind will be lebron, when you thinking of space jam, a human superhero defeating a team of aliens to save humanity, all that will come to mind is lebron, when you think of GOAT, there will be no doubt that the king sits on a throne on his own.

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Re: The NBA Begins by Roland17(m): 8:02pm On Jul 16, 2019
RiskelWillow:
A lot of guileless people think space jam is about Lebron copying Jordan, nay! Its about erasing everything the bald degenerate stood for.

This an already flawed reasoning to make a logical argument against the REAL SPACE JAM

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Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 8:08pm On Jul 16, 2019
Roland17:


This an already flawed reasoning to make a logical argument against the REAL SPACE JAM

People have short memories roland, people easily forget. Its the cycle of life, soon we the lebron fans will be in your shoes trying to fend off a new generation of younglings trying to crown a new king. It happened with Wilt, it happened with Kareem, you are fighting against destiny my friend, you will soon come to realise that its an exercise in futility.

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Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 8:15pm On Jul 16, 2019
Seems Corey Anderson has been chosen as Jon Jones's next victim. Corey is well rounded but he's just inferior to Jon in every department. Doesn't have the x factor like thiago did. Easy money.
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 8:21pm On Jul 16, 2019
Roland17:


This an already flawed reasoning to make a logical argument against the REAL SPACE JAM
LeNomad is an unrepentant copycat. He lacked the originality to create his own lane. Literally built his entire legacy after the GOAT. Space Jam 2. Lmaooo. Can't even come up with something unique

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Re: The NBA Begins by SmooshCHN: 8:27pm On Jul 16, 2019
RiskelWillow:
A lot of guileless people think space jam is about Lebron copying Jordan, nay! Its about erasing everything the bald degenerate stood for.
I was tempted to call this tautology in tautology but nah..
You just contradicted yourself. The world would remember MJ in Space Jam 1 and LeBron in Space Jam 2. No one cares what you think.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 8:30pm On Jul 16, 2019
SmooshCHN:

I was tempted to call this tautology in tautology but nah..
You just contradicted yourself. The world would remember MJ in Space Jam 1 and LeBron in Space Jam 2. No one cares what you think.

If you ask people who spider man is, they'll tell you tom holland. Few might even say Andrew Garfield. But very few remember Tobey Maguire. Do you think the kids that will flock to see space jam 2 watched or will ever watch space jam? Theres a method to the madness.


Unrelated question: How well do you do with the ladies?

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Re: The NBA Begins by BykeLaByke: 8:53pm On Jul 16, 2019
Arghhhhhhh...Drip too hard FFS. cheesy cheesy cheesy

Re: The NBA Begins by donlittle25: 9:01pm On Jul 16, 2019
BykeLaByke:
Arghhhhhhh...Drip too hard FFS. cheesy cheesy cheesy

Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 9:14pm On Jul 16, 2019
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Crop your pictures you diminutive mo.ron!
Re: The NBA Begins by BykeLaByke: 9:25pm On Jul 16, 2019
Lonzo: I'm getting back to playing the style I have my whole life.

Fuuuuucvcccck Luke Walton mehnnn. angry
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 9:29pm On Jul 16, 2019
BykeLaByke:


Bleep Luke Walton mehnnn. angry

Luke walton may be a dweeb but he didn't turn lonzo into a brick layer.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 9:30pm On Jul 16, 2019
This picture isn't supposed to exist.

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