goshen360:

@ Jo,

I tire for you o. Seriously. We are talking about mas.tur.bation that someone did by himself and Abortion deliberately done and you are talking about abor.tion to save a mother's life. What kind of abortion is that? Every man will stand on his own in the day of judgement. I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS.

I DO NOT CONDEMN PEOPLE WHO DOES MAS.TUR.BATION BUT THE ACT ITSELF IS CERTAINLY A SIN. The person that committed called to ask because he was convicted by the Holy Spirit it as a sin but your pastor says it is not a sin. Smh.

the act itself is not a sin against God. it could be a sin against your own body. God has nothing to do with it.
pastor chris is very correct based on that. it only becomes a sin against God if you allow it to dominate you and stop you from worshipping God.
the act itself is what you do with yourself. you don't have to involve anyone with it.

Anti-PastChris:

why you tryna send assasins to my crib ?

Im beginning to think some creeps on NL just look at a topic, scroll through, see what side is in the minority or sounds more foolish, and then join them, smh

buzugee:

homosexuality is mentioned in leviticus 18 vs 22  

I know my brother but their argument is that, masturbat.ion is not specifically mentions as a name. The verse you quote is referring to homosexuality as we call it today but that name, "homosexuality" itself doesn't appear in context or in print. So my thought is, because masturbat.ion is not specifically mentioned as name doesn't mean it is not a sin.

musKeeto:

Im beginning to think some creeps on NL just look at a topic, scroll through, see what side is in the minority or sounds more foolish, and then join them,  smh

like just argue for arguing sake

Is masturbation wrong?

candleby Matt Slick

The Bible does not discuss masturbation at all. This seems a little odd since it is such a strong and prevalent human event. And, given that Leviticus has so much to say about sexuality, one would think it natural that the subject would be covered. But it isn't. Masturbation is not specifically declared to be sinful. Nevertheless, we must be cautious to pronounce something to be sinful or not sinful when God has not discussed it. Therefore, we have to derive principles from scripture on related sexual issues and see if we can wisely apply them to the subject of masturbation.

First of all, sex was created by God for procreative purposes, physical enjoyment, and the demonstration of intimacy between a husband and a wife. In this context, the sexual act is intended to occur in a healthy marriage relationship between husband and wife in purity and holiness. In contrast to this, masturbation is the self-stimulation to the point of sexual release without the gifting of a spouse. It would seem that masturbation is a denial of the sexual design of God for couples. But, is it sinful? Again, answering this question is difficult because the Bible does not pronounce it as sin. Nevertheless, there is the principle of purity that is obvious true. Does masturbation fall under the category of purity?

We can say this for sure. If masturbation involves sexual fantasies and/or pornography, then it is certainly not pure and is very sinful. The Bible clearly teaches that our minds are as important to God as our bodies are and that we are to remain pure in both. Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery'; 28 but I say to you, that everyone who looks on a woman to lust for her has committed adultery with her already in his heart," (Matt. 5:27-28). Jesus is saying that thinking lustful thoughts is sinful. Therefore, masturbation involving sexual fantasies (at least not of one's spouse) is undoubtedly sinful.

But this brings up the issue of a spouse masturbating while thinking of his/her spouse. Is it sinful? Again, since the Bible does not declare it sinful, can we? Let's say that a wife is incapacitated by an accident and is in the hospital for an extended period of time. Is it alright for the husband to masturbate if he thinks only of his wife in order to relieve sexual tension? Again, without a specific declaration of scripture it is difficult pronounce it as sinful. On the one hand, his body is not his own and it is for his wife and he is not to be mastered by anything (1 Cor. 6:12). But on the other hand, she is not available. Would his masturbation be sinful should he commit it if he only thought of his wife? I cannot say for sure.

Then again, what if someone masturbates with absolutely no sexual fantasy of any sort. Is it then sinful? Again, this is difficult to answer. But, since the Bible doesn't condemn or condone it, can we make dogmatic assertions? Furthermore, what if a person masturbates in order to reduce the sexual urge in an attempt to not commit fornication? Certainly, actual fornication would be a sin, and masturbation would be preferable in this instance. But does this mean that the person is being mastered by the flesh? If so, then that would be wrong. But, does it mean then that a self-release of sexual tension is then acceptable if it is to avoid fornication? Again, since the Bible does not declare masturbation a sin, I cannot say it is.

Let's look at some verses that speak of sexual morality. I will comment after each one.

1 Cor. 6:18, "Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body."
The Greek word for "immorality" is porneia which means illicit sexual intercourse, i.e., fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, bestiality, etc. The English word "pornography" is derived from this Greek word.
Eph. 5:3, "But do not let immorality or any impurity or greed even be named among you, as is proper among saints."
Again, the word for "immorality" is porneia.
Col. 3:5, "Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry."
Again, the word for "immorality" is porneia.
1 Thess. 4:2-5, "For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God."
Again, the word for "sexual immorality" is porneia. The reference in verse four to "own vessel" is to having a wife so that fornication would be avoided.

Conclusion

The goal of the Christian life is to be pure in thought and deed. I believe that the issue of masturbation comes down to this. Therefore, I believe that though masturbation under certain circumstances may not be sinful, the desire to be sexual pure and holy should move the Christian to avoid it. Instead, he or she should seek to master the body and not give into its desires. The fight against masturbation can be a lesson in controlling the body which can have great spiritual benefits. Giving in to masturbation can have spiritual consequences and mastering the body can bring great spiritual benefit. Perhaps God did not mention masturbation the Bible because He is so aware of our sinful tendencies, our situations, our difficulties, etc., and desires that we seek holiness and purity by seeking to master our own flesh. If God had declared that it was not a sin, then we can rest assured that we would misuse the act and become enslaved by it.

If, however, you are bound by masturbation and war against it because it masters you, then you continually need to go to the cross and ask the Lord to forgive you. Also, pray and ask the Lord to provide you a spouse so that you would not fall into bondage of the flesh.
What about Onan in Gen. 38:9?

Some erringly cite Onan in Gen. 38:9 who spilled his seed on the ground, as a justification for masturbation. But this is a mistake since this is not dealing with masturbation.

"And Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so it came about that when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground, in order not to give offspring to his brother," (Gen. 38:9).

This is not about masturbation. It is about the failure of Onan to give children to Tamar, the widow of his brother, and fulfill his duty to raise offspring in his brother's name. By refusing his obligation, he sinned.
http://carm.org/masturbation

@goshen: i dey tell you, once a thread degenerates into a squabble over semantics, you just have to give up. for someone to say masturbation can be performed without thinking, and said person is  a pastor,

Jo, youre either heavily misled, or theres something seriously deceptive about you,

goshen360:

I know my brother but their argument is that, masturbat.ion is not specifically mentions as a name. The verse you quote is referring to homosexuality as we call it today but that name, "homosexuality" itself doesn't appear in context or in print. So my thought is, because masturbat.ion is not specifically mentioned as name doesn't mean it is not a sin.

well the name homosexuality is ony a recent moniker. the bible was compiled wayyy before people started saying homosexuality. but i think it is very self explanatory when you read leviticus 18 vs 22 that they are talking about homosexuality. m-a-s-t-u-r-b-a-t-i-o-n may be a new name too and not specifically mentioned in the bible but there is nowhere in the bible if you look at the sexuals laws in leviticus 18 and the male body discharge laws in leviticus 15 where it remotely mentions it, or it being a sin. dig ? REFER TO MY PREVIOUS POST for the definition of sin

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WHAT IS SIN ? sin is transgression of the lords laws
1 john 3 vs 4,
romans 4 vs 15,
romans 2 vs 23,
galatians 3 vs 19.
NOW THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED WHAT SIN IS, WHERE ARE THE LAWS LOCATED ? THE TORAH. THE FIRST FIVE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE. LETS GO TO THE S-E-X-U-A-L LAWS IN LEVITICUS 18. it gives all the specific S-E-X-U-A-L laws that you should not transgress. there is no mention of self-service. however lets proceed to LEVITICUS 15, the laws that deal with bodily discharges from men (meaning it is assumed that you will have bodily discharges and hence this is how you should deal with it). if you discharge Fluid and you dont take a bath, then you are trangressing the law. if you discharge Fluid, you must not go into any holy place until you have had a bath (like the temple). if you do ? you are trangressing the law.

CONCLUSION-Pastor chris and Joagbaje are correct. self-service is a sin against yourself and not a trangression of the lords laws. However you will be trangressing the lords laws if you dont have a bath afterwards or if you dont have a bath and then step into the temple afterwards.

coogar:

the act itself is not a sin against God. it could be a sin against your own body. God has nothing to do with it.
pastor chris is very correct based on that. it only becomes a sin against God if you allow it to dominate you and stop you from worshipping God. the act itself is what you do with yourself. you don't have to involve anyone with it.

Seriously? Isn't this your body the temple of God?

Don't you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body. 1 cor. 6:19-20 (NLT).

@Joagbaje,

Psychologically,self-service is a result of intimate fantasies(lustful thoughts).

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).

Eph 5:3 (NIV) But among you there must not be even a hint of intimate immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.

Nobody is perfect but stop twisting and spinning biblical truths.

Religion and confusion.

Self service is a sin and nothing more than that. However pastor Chris may not actually mean it and may be a slip of teaching. After all nobody is perfect except God.

it is very clear peeps that the signs of end times is right before our eyes(mathew 24), i am very happy that my God will not lie nor is He a son of man that will change His word. let the person that have ears understand that the spirit is say. but they will not hear cos thier place is not with God.

2 thesslonians 5:12 said it all.

5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

emmatok:

@Joagbaje,

Psychologically,self-service is a result of intimate fantasies(lustful thoughts).

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).

Eph 5:3 (NIV) But among you there must not be even a hint of intimate immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.

Nobody is perfect but stop twisting and spinning biblical truths.

Religion and confusion.

LUST-uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or appetite; lecherousness.

THOSE SOUND LIKE STRONG LECHEROUS AND OVERPOWERING DESIRES TO ME. that sounds like someone who has lost total control of their being. you do know people can masturbate without these lecherous and intense desires for another person right ?

Mistakes are made on two counts: an argument is either based on error or incorrectly developed. I still do not understand why everyone is ignoring the fact that one must first think lustfully before engaging in masturbation, which is very clear.
And we have been thought that Sin is an offence against against God by any unclean thought, which includes sexual lust, speaking bad words and in our deeds if we all agree.
Pastor Chis is only a preacher and not Christ. He can make a mistakes just like everyone of us. All we need do is to study with him and correct him where he is wrong and that is how we can grow as Christians. Lets no joke with the things of God Nigerians!!

Sense:

M't:5:28: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
M't:5:29: And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
M't:5:30: And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

goshen360:

Seriously? Isn't this your body the temple of God?
Don't you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body. 1 cor. 6:19-20 (NLT).

so what has this gotta do with your body being the temple of the holy spirit?
so if a woman w@nks with the fantasies of her husband while the husband is away from home for months then the woman has committed a sin?
the bible did not mention masturbati[i]o[/i]n as a sin in any of the books so who are you to say it's a sin?

God help your children!!! So masturbation is not a sin,ehh? So u can even be doin it and scream and speak in tougues abi? And some people here are justifyin  and defending rubbish.Like my dad's manager who justifies his inflated purchases with receipts obtained.

Christendom really in disarray. If Christ is to come back today (phisically), I tell you, christains would murder Him the second time. They will tell HIm that things have changed so much since last time he was on earth.

buzugee:

LUST-uncontrolled or illicit intimate desire or appetite; lecherousness.

THOSE SOUND LIKE STRONG LECHEROUS AND OVERPOWERING DESIRES TO ME. that sounds like someone who has lost total control of their being. you do know people can self-service without these l[b]echerous and intense desires[/b] for another person right ?

But you agree that people can masturbate with a desire for another person.

It does not have to be intense.

80% of masturbators  get heavenly feelings through sexual desire .

means:

God help your children!!! So self-service is not a sin,ehh? So u can even be doin it and scream and speak in tougues abi? And some people here are justifyin  and defending rubbish.Like my dad's manager who justifies his inflated purchases with receipts obtained.

Christendom really in disarray. If Christ is to come back today (phisically), I tell you, christains would murder Him the second time. They will tell HIm that things have changed so much since last time he was on earth.

Lol.

buzugee:

LUST-uncontrolled or illicit intimate desire or appetite; lecherousness.

THOSE SOUND LIKE STRONG LECHEROUS AND OVERPOWERING DESIRES TO ME. that sounds like someone who has lost total control of their being. you do know people can self-service w[b]ithout these lecherous and intense desires for another person right[/b] ?

So, Mr Buzugee,

You are telling us that one can think of wood and self-service? Or one can be blank and just start self-servicing?

how?

"Wanking" is not a sin? really?
But guys, refrain from being dogmatic, nobody is yet to show where in the bible that it specifically says it's a sin.

Dear All Abeg I dey sell OMO and LUX in case una wan throw away.
Infact i go really sell.

You know what, the world would be a lot easier if a lot of things were not termed as "sin." I mean, I wish masturbation was not a sin, then I won't have to feel guilty all the time (lol). But then again, maybe he should have gone further and state when masturbation becomes a sin (if ever). As in, is it a sin when you do not use a lubricant, when u think of sexual acts, when u watch porn while doing it, when u look at a nude picture, when u jerk off with a friend, etc? Does it ever become a sin?
But guys, it is what it is. The Bible ends in Revelation, for good reasons. Pastor Chris (or any other man of God by any name called) has no right to add to it. Like I said, it is what it is! Gush, what are we gonna hear next? smh

Saint Paul is very clear about this: "Do not let anyone deceive you with empty arguments. Among you their must not even be mention of fornication, promiscuity, or impurity in any of it's forms! You can be quite certain that no one who actually indulges in promiscuity, or impurity - which is worshiping a a false god - can inherit any thing of the kingdom of God! Impure things that are done in secret, are things that people are ashamed even to speak of! Immoral behavior such as this brings down God's anger upon the children of disobedience. Make sure you are not included among them! You were in darkness once, but now you are light in the Lord! Be like children of light! The effects of this light are manifest by complete goodness, and truth, and right living. Anything exposed to the light will be illuminated, and anything illuminated turns into light. So, be very careful about the sort of lives you lead. Pray the psalms, and sing to the Lord in your heart! Everywhere you are, give thanks to the Lord! This may be a wicked age, but you can redeem it!" (Ephesians 5: 2-15)

dare2think:

Lol.
So, Mr Buzugee,

You are telling us that one can think of wood and self-service? Or one can be blank and just start self-servicing?

how?

how is this relevant to the topic of discussion.
are you saying a man who masturbat[b]e[/b]s with the fantasies of his own legally married wife has committed a sin?
how is imagining marital sex with one's wife while the wife is away from home a sin?

if the bible does not prohibit it, why do people think it's immoral?
incest is prohibited in the bible, homoerotica is prohibited, bestiality is prohibited - so why wasn't masturbati[i]o[/i]n prohibited?

coogar:

so what has this gotta do with your body being the temple of the holy spirit?
so if a woman w@nks with the fantasies of her husband while the husband is away from home for months then the woman has committed a sin?
the bible did not mention masturbati[i]o[/i]n as a sin in any of the books so who are you to say it's a sin?

Funny, self-servicing for your partner or spouse has not been mentioned until now!

I would have expected the justification,from Chris,  to be on that notion!!

Something like, ' you can self-service, as long has the thoughts are that of your wife/husband and not of a neighbour's partner'= simple

But that one can se;f-service without thinking is something I find really strange.

[size=18pt]Don't listen to some asinine teacher, or psychologist who tells you that:  masturbation is "normal" and quite all right.  Masturbation may be "normal" in a civilization where child rape and murder happen almost everyday. Masturbation may be normal in a society with hard-core pornography channels available on every TV cable or satellite system. Masturbation may be normal where lurid pornographic images are spammed constantly to every Internet user: But masturbation is NOT all right![/size]


http://www.newjerusalem.com/bepure.htm

huh!? masturbation not a sin , well not many of us are innocent as charged. But that dont give us a right to take our spiritual liberties for granted.
Even if no bible verse condemns this atleast pauls admonition to "flee all appearances of evil" sufices If only we will read our bibles and stop following
these end time preachers sheepishly  

http://5slate..com/2012/02/unbelievable-pastor-chris-oyakhilome.html

emmatok:

But you agree that people can self-service with a desire for another person.

It does not have to be intense.

80% of masturbators  get heavenly feelings through intimate desire .

well i am sure you can self service with a desire for another person, but that would be wrong. you can self service while admiring yourself   or you can self service while fantasizing about your spouse (hopefully they are in shape and will enhance your fantasy   ). whatever you fantasize about, make sure it is not another persons spouse (adultery)

cooger,

Haba, let me land before you catch me now!!!

I was writing my last post whilst you were writing yours.

I hope we are clear.

But you do agree that one cant just start masturbati.ng without a preceding thought? The contents of those thoughts is what I feel should be the subject of discussion.

dare2think:

Lol.
So, Mr Buzugee,

You are telling us that one can think of wood and self-service? Or one can be blank and just start self-servicing?

how?

well if the wood is s-e-x-y why not ? seriously though, you can self service and think of your spouse.

dare2think:

Funny, self-servicing for your partner or spouse has not been mentioned until now!

I would have expected the justification,from Chris,  to be on that notion!!

Something like, ' you can self-service, as long has the thoughts are that of your wife/husband and not of a neighbour's partner'= simple

But that one can se;f-service without thinking is something I find really strange.

but how is that enforceable? i think that would be too vague to enforce.
we cannot prohibit w@nking based on impure thoughts. it would be equivalent to prohibiting all forms of advertisement as it can provoke impure thoughts of material greed. there's a reason masturbati[i]o[/i]n was never mentioned in the bible. it's because it's perfectly legal.

if masturbat[i]i[/i]ng would prevent a man from going out there to r@pe, fornicate or commit adultery then by all means, let him jerk off.