Before I proceed to your next questions, I feel the need to present excerpts from the Grail Message to support the claims that I made. As always I welcome divergent opinions and will gladly, as always, provide more links from the Grail Message.
Please read the entire Grail Message.

From the lecture, “The Development of Creation.” (Volume II)
[b]“Let man imagine Divinity as absolutely the highest over all! God Himself, as the starting point of all that exists, as the Primordial Source of all Life, is in His absolute Perfection unsubstantiate. Next to God Himself in His very own Unsubstantiality follows the Sphere of Divine Substantiality. In this originate the first beings to take form and shape. To these belong in the first place the Primordial Queen and the Archangels, and finally a small number of Elders. The Elders are of great importance for the further development towards spiritual substantiality, much in the same way as, later on, the conscious beings of the Animistic Sphere are of great importance for the development of matter. Lucifer was sent from the Sphere of Divine Substantiality to be a direct support for Creation as it automatically developed further.
The Son of God, however, issued from Divine Unsubstantiality as a part of It, and after fulfilling His Mission of help had to return to Divine Unsubstantiality and again become One with the Father. The Son of Man also issues from Divine Unsubstantiality. Through the connection with conscious spiritual substantiality His Part, which was severed, remained of necessity separate from Divine Unsubstantiality, and yet also directly connected with It, so that He may stand as the Eternal Mediator between God and His Work.
As Lucifer, who proceeded from the Sphere of Divine Substantiality, failed in his mission, it became necessary to send in his place someone stronger who could bind him and bring help to Creation. For this reason the Son of Man, who was entrusted with this office, issued from Divine Unsubstantiality.”[/b]
http://grailmessage.com/en/volume-two/the-development-of-creation

From the above verse of the Grail Message we can deduce 3 major important facts which I have repeated and maintained over and over in this thread.
(1) Lucifer issued from the sphere of Devine substantiality and was sent out to be a direct support for creation , and not just subsequent creation, much less mankind. Hence Lucifer’s work is not just in regards to the developing human spirits but in regards to the entire creation (from Primordial spiritual to worlds of matter). From this, it is easy to see how his failure can affect the entire creation, not just the worlds of matter. I repeat, Lucifer’s failure caused disturbance in the entire creation, from the Primordial to the lowest worlds of matter; and greatly weakened the spiritual spheres, which he was supposed to strengthen. Hence the son of man had to incarnate into creation (the primordial spiritual sphere) to strengthen it.

(2) The Son of man although issuing from Divine Unsubstantiality is connected with the Conscious (primordial) spiritual substantiality and hence is eternally separated from Divinity unsubstantiality. He is the eternal mediator between God and His work.



More on the Son of Man. From the chapter, “The Son of Man” from volume II of the Grail message, we read:


[b]“The difference between the Son of Man and the Son of God is that, though born out of the purely Divine, the Son of Man was at the same time connected with the Sphere of Conscious Spiritual Substantiality, so that it is as if He stands simultaneously with one foot in the Divine and with the other in the highest part of Conscious Spiritual Substantiality. He is a part of each, and thus forms the eternal bridge between the Divine and the summit of Creation. This union, however, involves the obligation of remaining separated from the pure Divine, yet in spite of this permits and even conditions admittance to Divinity.
The addition of the spiritual to the Divine merely prevents a reunion which would otherwise be unavoidable. Mankind will hardly ever grasp that this is another sacrifice of love on the part of the Creator, and the fulfilment of a promise of such magnitude as only God Himself is capable of giving and fulfilling! That is the difference between the Son of God and the Son of Man”[/b]
http://grailmessage.com/en/volume-two/the-son-of-man

More on the Son of man and His incarnation into the Spiritual sphere (Primordial spiritual to be exact):

[b]“The Son of Man is also an Envoy of God and has issued from Divinity Unsubstantiate, which was also a process of radiation! Before beginning His Mission in the World of Gross Matter, He was incarnated in the World of Primordial Spiritual Substantiality, and was thus closely connected with that spiritual species in which the seed-germ of the human spirit originates. Thus the Divine Unsubstantiate core of this second Envoy comes nearer to the origin of the human spirit; thereby gaining greater protection and direct power against it!
It was only after being in this sphere that He was sent down on His Mission to the World of Gross Matter at that time which enabled Him to arrive at the proper hour on the field of battle, there to show the right way into the Kingdom of the Father to all those seriously seeking God and asking for spiritual guidance and, at the same time, to protect them against the attacks of those who are hostile and striving downwards!
Therefore, be on your guard, so that you may recognise Him as soon as His time is come, for that will also be your time!”[/b]
http://grailmessage.com/en/volume-two/world-events

More on the issue of the failure of Lucifer, I will share more personal perceptions. Lucifer was sent out to illuminate (support) creation with the Devine light that he carried. This corresponds to the law because the name defines the individual, his nature, and activity. A being and his name are inseparable. Lucifer means ‘one who illuminates’ one who enlightens. The luminous or bright one who brings light! Spiritual light or the Light of God! Hence in regards to man on earth, Lucifer was sent to show man how to spiritualize his (man) intellect. Or how to use the intellect to serve the spirit in a God willing manner. Angels basically spread the will of God abroad; hence when a new and alien section is added to creation, an angel is usually send to spread the will of God to such new section. Hence Lucifer was sent to support creation as it began to develop. Hence in some cultures he is called angel of the morning, or star of the morning. I.e., the first to come to bring light; just as the star of the morning is first to bring light in a dawning day!

Hence His major work is actually in the spiritual sphere. And when subsequent creation developed out of creation; this added a section to his work. For he has to also illuminate subsequent creation. Hence from his volition which was already in the spiritual sphere, another volition emerged and went into matter (subsequent creation); while he himself remains outside creation. Only while working with matter which is very alien to the nature of the light, that the wrong principle arose in him through his volition in matter. This wrong principle allowed mankind to fail and caused subsequent creation to develop wrongly and also, through his volitions in other parts of creation, sent disturbance to all parts of creation.

This wrong principle of Lucifer, gained a firm hold in subsequent creation where mankind ruled. Mankind succumbed to Lucifer’s temptation and brought evil into subsequent creation. This wrong principle of Lucifer could not gain a firm hold in spiritual sphere because the spirits there were too alert to succumb to Lucifer’s temptation. They quickly dispelled him and made him powerless in their environment, exactly as mankind could have done if they weren’t too spiritually indolent. However the catastrophes resulting from this wrong principle of Lucifer weakened the spiritual sphere greatly, because the current of spirit germs that left this sphere succumb to Lucifer’s temptation or become victims of the wrong principle of Lucifer and get trapped in matter; hence they never return back to their source(the spiritual sphere). Like a bleeding physical body, which will weaken in time if the wound on it is not healed, the spiritual sphere suffered a hemorrhage of spiritual currents which consequently weakened this sphere.

Hence the Son of Man, Who incarnated into creation to sujugate the entire creation(especially subsequent creation)to the Will of God, was given the task of arresting Lucifer and the consequence of his failure. The son of man incarnated into creation to make subsequent creation a part of the kingdom of God.


In reality mankind is too small in the scale of events. But like I said earlier, presumption of our own importance makes we(mankind) consider ourselves as the focal point of Lucifer’s struggle against God. We see every event in relation to ourselves and bring all happenings down to earth or subsequent creation, even happenings far above our plane of origin. We think the whole creation revolves around us.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Hello Justcool,

Merci beaucoup as always. Very grateful for your sharing. I am still in the process of re-reading all the chapters you listed.

I did have a question about this statement:

"but Imanuel’s origin permits that He can enter the Divine substantial sphere, for a while, even with His Primordial spiritual body."

How could this body exist/survive in the Divine Substantiate region?


Secondly, Lucifer introduced a wrong principle to weed out what he considers weak spirits. If this is the only motive, why his violent reaction to the coming of Imanuel for a correction?
It's already very surprising that a Being from his origin can follow/introduce paths not in accordance with Divine Will but to persist with it and fight against correction whilst having no other base motive is something I have not been able to fathom.

Once again, much obliged for your time.

Speer: Hello all, In Vol. 1 (Lecture: Ascent) the ffg is stated:

"You should give to your neighbor with your being, your nature! Not necessarily with money and goods. For then those without means would be excluded from the possibility of giving."

Had please wanted to ask for the all-encompassing meaning/explanation of the above....."with your being, your nature!"

Thanks and have an enriching week.

Speer
Thanks for this question!

In-order to understand what that statement means we need to understand what ‘yourself, your being, or your nature’ means. “Yourself” is the real you. And you are a spirit; or a spirit germ in the process of development. Hence, to give to your neighbor "your being, your nature,” means nothing other than to give your neighbor that which emanates from your spirit.

It is another way of saying “love your neighbor as yourself”; the human spirit being part bearer of the will of God stands in the love of God because the will of God and love are inseparable. Hence all that emanates from the core of the spirit can never be lacking in love! Hence when you give your neighbor that which emanates from your spirit, or when your spiritual intuition guides your dealings with your fellow human beings, you are simply loving them (your neighbor) or giving them love.

It is also another way of saying “spiritualize the work of your hands.” I.e. let all your works (all you do or all that emanate from you – thoughts, words, and deeds) be guided by your spiritual intuition. Or employ your spirit (spiritual intuition) in all that you do.
We have dealt with many examples of how people form works that do not emanate from their spirit. Such works are like chaffs which easily vanish, they have no long lasting effect in creation, since the most important factor is lacking. And this factor, which lends our works power to impact creation in a profound way, is the spiritual intuition which carries the ability to tap into the neutral Principal power of God that streams through creation.

And henceforth, consider all your works (thoughts, word, and visible action) as gifts that your give your neighbor. Because they affect your neighbor even if you think you are doing it in the privacy of your home. All that you do, even your smallest thought affects your neighbor. And “your neighbor” means nothing other than your fellow creature, not necessarily the person that lives next to you physically. Hence an evil thought harbored by an American in America can be picked up by a Nigerian in Nigeria, and may be acted out through this Nigerian despite the fact that he had never met the American physically. These two men, despite living worlds apart physically, are homogenous in their thinking. In view of this homogenous connection, they are neighbors!

And like people say, “what comes from the heart goes to the heart!” Only a gift from the heart, a gift born out of pure intuitive perception, benefits the spirit of both the recipient and the giver. Only that which emanates from your spirit is decisive for the nature of the spiritual reciprocal action that must follow. Be it just a joyous thought to your neighbor, a simple heartfelt smile, or a simple "hello" said to a neighbor; as long as it is permeated by pure intuitive perception, it will bring very ennobling reciprocal effect to the one its directed to. It will even go further than that, it will in its reciprocal effect, ennoble or reward the giver too. The same way as an impure intuitive perception or impure thought can soil the person it is directed to; and will also, in its reciprocal effect, definitely soil the producer, as long as he inwardly remains in a state homogenous to that impure thought. Hence, it is written, “It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth.". “That words which come out of your mouth” in this context refers to that which emanates from your spirit or soul; it will definetly return to you, either to ennoble you or soil you, depending on thier nature. A material gift given merely out of habit or custom remains a material gift; it can only benefit the recipient materially or physically but adds nothing towards his spiritual ascent.

I will add one more picture to the many pictures I painted in an earlier post in regard to the statement, “spiritualize the works of your hand.”

A child’s birthday arrives! His rich parents, uncles and brothers, spend lots of money and buy this child’s expensive toys. However, to them, they are just following the tradition of giving gifts on birthdays; perhaps some of their gifts are born out their desire to show how generous they are. And sometimes these gift-giving ceremonies are not but an arena for people to show how much they have, or to buy the child’s love and respect. Hence a competition for the child’s love. Even parents sometimes indulge in this base competition!
However the maid, who could not afford a gift, on that day, was filled with joy and gratitude to the Almighty for sending this child into the world; this joy streamed from her hearts of hearts, from her spirit. And this joy is an intuitive perception, it is a spiritual work, and its reciprocal effect will greatly uplift both her and this child. The child will share on the blessing that this joy will bring in its reciprocal effect because it was the child that gave the maid the impetus to this joy albeit unknowingly.
In this we see that both this child and maid have given to each other far more the rich relatives of the child gave the child.
In this picture we also notice that having no means (material goods or money) does not exclude one from being able to give! The maid had no money(material means) to buy physical gifts for the child but she gave a more profound gift to the child. She gave that which emanated from her spirit; she gave her being!

In this giving to your neighbor that which emanates from your spirit, without any intellectual scheming for reward, respect, acclaim or glory, lies giving oneself, yourself, or your nature. It is love in its purest form. In this too, Jesus clearly showed us the path to this selfless giving when He said, "become like little children." Observe children you will see that they give themselves with their every action, word, and thought; until we adults in our delusion of wisdom rob them(the children) of this gift by teaching them to be cunning. Children always speak their minds; they lack the deceitful cunningness we adults glorify as diplomacy.

I can go on and on and paint many pictures, but I hope you got the picture.

The entire Grail Message can be summarized with the simple words, “Love thy neighbor as thy self!”
The bottom line of every chapter of the Grail Message is LOVE. With this, I hand you the key that can unlocks every mystery in the Grail Message and the entire creation; and this key is LOVE. Just as it is pictorially rendered in the Revelation of John, that nobody in the entire creation and even above it could open the book with seven seals except the Lamb of God. The “Lamb of God,” in this context refers to JESUS, hence LOVE. The Grail message, as well as Creation, will remain a book sealed with seven seals to any creature (no matter how big or small) unless he approaches it with Love in his heart. This statement alone answers your question about how a Divine being like Lucifer could introduce a principle that does not accord to the will of God. But I will return to that later. That question, as well as the one concerning how Imanuel’s spiritual body can withstand the pressure of the Divine plane, is a very interesting question, which I’m obliged to make out time and answer exhaustively.

But let’s return to the issue at hand, (giving your neighbor "with your being, your nature!). To understand this statement and any statement in the Grail message always seek the answer in the proximity to the Love. Apply the same principle to your life and in solving the alleged mysteries of creation, for the Grail Message and Creation are inseparably one! One who reads (experiences) creation reads (experiences) the Grail message; and one who reads (experiences) the Grail Message reads (experiences) creation,
Thanks and remain blessed.

The answer lies in the remarks that followed that....those who have no money will otherwise be exempted from giving. An advice, a suggestion, physical help, consideration, kindness, empathy, goodwishes, goodwill, skill teaching all these and more can be given according to the individuals ability and the needs of the other person. The important thing is the desire to help another and your effort to actualise this desire with the resources available to you. This can be done with or without money.

justcool:

Speer
Thanks for this question!

In-order to understand what that statement means we need to understand what ‘yourself, your being, or your nature’ means. “Yourself” is the real you. And you are a spirit; or a spirit germ in the process of development. Hence, to give to your neighbor "your being, your nature,” means nothing other than to give your neighbor that which emanates from your spirit.

It is another way of saying “love your neighbor as yourself”; the human spirit being part bearer of the will of God stands in the love of God because the will of God and love are inseparable. Hence all that emanates from the core of the spirit can never be lacking in love! Hence when you give your neighbor that which emanates from your spirit, or when your spiritual intuition guides your dealings with your fellow human beings, you are simply loving them (your neighbor) or giving them love.

It is also another way of saying “spiritualize the work of your hands.” I.e. let all your works (all you do or all that emanate from you – thoughts, words, and deeds) be guided by your spiritual intuition. Or employ your spirit (spiritual intuition) in all that you do.
We have dealt with many examples of how people form works that do not emanate from their spirit. Such works are like chaffs which easily vanish, they have no long lasting effect in creation, since the most important factor is lacking. And this factor, which lends our works power to impact creation in a profound way, is the spiritual intuition which carries the ability to tap into the neutral Principal power of God that streams through creation.

And henceforth, consider all your works (thoughts, word, and visible action) as gifts that your give your neighbor. Because they affect your neighbor even if you think you are doing it in the privacy of your home. All that you do, even your smallest thought affects your neighbor. And “your neighbor” means nothing other than your fellow creature, not necessarily the person that lives next to you physically. Hence an evil thought harbored by an American in America can be picked up by a Nigerian in Nigeria, and may be acted out through this Nigerian despite the fact that he had never met the American physically. These two men, despite living worlds apart physically, are homogenous in their thinking. In view of this homogenous connection, they are neighbors!

And like people say, “what comes from the heart goes to the heart!” Only a gift from the heart, a gift born out of pure intuitive perception, benefits the spirit of both the recipient and the giver. Only that which emanates from your spirit is decisive for the nature of the spiritual reciprocal action that must follow. Be it just a joyous thought to your neighbor, a simple heartfelt smile, or a simple "hello" said to a neighbor; as long as it is permeated by pure intuitive perception, it will bring very ennobling reciprocal effect to the one its directed to. It will even go further than that, it will in its reciprocal effect, ennoble or reward the giver too. The same way as an impure intuitive perception or impure thought can soil the person it is directed to; and will also, in its reciprocal effect, definitely soil the producer, as long as he inwardly remains in a state homogenous to that impure thought. Hence, it is written, “It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth.". “That words which come out of your mouth” in this context refers to that which emanates from your spirit or soul; it will definetly return to you, either to ennoble you or soil you, depending on thier nature. A material gift given merely out of habit or custom remains a material gift; it can only benefit the recipient materially or physically but adds nothing towards his spiritual ascent.

I will add one more picture to the many pictures I painted in an earlier post in regard to the statement, “spiritualize the works of your hand.”

A child’s birthday arrives! His rich parents, uncles and brothers, spend lots of money and buy this child’s expensive toys. However, to them, they are just following the tradition of giving gifts on birthdays; perhaps some of their gifts are born out their desire to show how generous they are. And sometimes these gift-giving ceremonies are not but an arena for people to show how much they have, or to buy the child’s love and respect. Hence a competition for the child’s love. Even parents sometimes indulge in this base competition!
However the maid, who could not afford a gift, on that day, was filled with joy and gratitude to the Almighty for sending this child into the world; this joy streamed from her hearts of hearts, from her spirit. And this joy is an intuitive perception, it is a spiritual work, and its reciprocal effect will greatly uplift both her and this child. The child will share on the blessing that this joy will bring in its reciprocal effect because it was the child that gave the maid the impetus to this joy albeit unknowingly.
In this we see that both this child and maid have given to each other far more the rich relatives of the child gave the child.
In this picture we also notice that having no means (material goods or money) does not exclude one from being able to give! The maid had no money(material means) to buy physical gifts for the child but she gave a more profound gift to the child. She gave that which emanated from her spirit; she gave her being!

In this giving to your neighbor that which emanates from your spirit, without any intellectual scheming for reward, respect, acclaim or glory, lies giving oneself, yourself, or your nature. It is love in its purest form. In this too, Jesus clearly showed us the path to this selfless giving when He said, "become like little children." Observe children you will see that they give themselves with their every action, word, and thought; until we adults in our delusion of wisdom rob them(the children) of this gift by teaching them to be cunning. Children always speak their minds; they lack the deceitful cunningness we adults glorify as diplomacy.

I can go on and on and paint many pictures, but I hope you got the picture.

The entire Grail Message can be summarized with the simple words, “Love thy neighbor as thy self!”
The bottom line of every chapter of the Grail Message is LOVE. With this, I hand you the key that can unlocks every mystery in the Grail Message and the entire creation; and this key is LOVE. Just as it is pictorially rendered in the Revelation of John, that nobody in the entire creation and even above it could open the book with seven seals except the Lamb of God. The “Lamb of God,” in this context refers to JESUS, hence LOVE. The Grail message, as well as Creation, will remain a book sealed with seven seals to any creature (no matter how big or small) unless he approaches it with Love in his heart. This statement alone answers your question about how a Divine being like Lucifer could introduce a principle that does not accord to the will of God. But I will return to that later. That question, as well as the one concerning how Imanuel’s spiritual body can withstand the pressure of the Divine plane, is a very interesting question, which I’m obliged to make out time and answer exhaustively.

But let’s return to the issue at hand, (giving your neighbor "with your being, your nature!). To understand this statement and any statement in the Grail message always seek the answer in the proximity to the Love. Apply the same principle to your life and in solving the alleged mysteries of creation, for the Grail Message and Creation are inseparably one! One who reads (experiences) creation reads (experiences) the Grail message; and one who reads (experiences) the Grail Message reads (experiences) creation,
Thanks and remain blessed.

Speer: Hello Justcool,

Merci beaucoup as always. Very grateful for your sharing. I am still in the process of re-reading all the chapters you listed.

I did have a question about this statement:

"but Imanuel’s origin permits that He can enter the Divine substantial sphere, for a while, even with His Primordial spiritual body."

How could this body exist/survive in the Divine Substantiate region? .

I’m very happy that you observed this! I knew it was a little bit too early to declare that on Nairaland but then I felt it might induce the question that you just raised. It induced movement in you, hence I will answer exhaustively.

Ordinarily, a being can never go above its origin. Primordial spiritual realm can never go above the Primordial sphere; human spirits can never go above the spiritual sphere and etc. This you already rightly grasped from the Grail Message.

However, this refers to the being, or the “creature.” No creature or being can consciously partake of conscious existence in a plane above its origin. This is because consciousness comes from the mobility of the core of the being, creature or spirit. And this inner mobility has to be able counterbalance the pressure of the plane where the being is. It is this interaction between the pressure from inner mobility and the pressure from the outside that gives rise to what we refer to as consciousness. Hence in a plane of a high pressure, pressure higher than that which results from the inner mobility the creature, the creature loses consciousness. Even a conscious human spirit in the Paradise of human, the lowest plane of the spiritual sphere, would lose consciousness immediately if he climbs to the next higher spiritual plane. At this next higher spiritual sphere, the aforementioned developed human spirit would lose consciousness but its form or body would not disintegrate. Only on the plane next higher spiritual plane above the one immediately higher than Paradise would such a spirit not only lose consciousness but its body would completely disintegrate as well; because the pressure there would be too high for its spiritual body to retain its form.
Hence in by any chance or under the most specially prepared circumstance a Primordial spiritual being originating in the highest primordial spiritual plane is taken into the lowest plane of the Divine sphere, once the uppermost boundary of the primordial spiritual sphere is crossed, this primordial spiritual being would lose consciousness immediately. His body and the substances that make up its body will still be able to exist, albeit unconsciously, at the lowest plane of the Divine sphere. Only when he tries to take another step higher into the next plane in Divine sphere, in the second to the lowest plane, would he lose not only his consciousness but his form as well. Complete combustion into nothingness, He ceases to exist!

This is not very difficult to grasp if you trace the descent or coming into existence of the being in the first place; then the reverse of the process is what I just described. Let us quickly take a look of how all beings came into existence. The radiation or substances we call Primordial spiritual was already in existence in the lowest part of the Divine plane as unformed radiations or substances. One can say that this point is the origin of these radiations or substances, the point where they were able to pull themselves out of the circulation movement of radiation in the Divine sphere. Or the point where they were deposited off the Divine radiation. However, mark my words carefully!!! This point is the origin of the radiations not the creatures or beings that could only come into being outside the border of the Divine. Hence that point, the lowest Divine plane, is the origin of primordial spiritual radiations. However at that point they could not take on form, much less become conscious. The being or creature originates from the point where it’s able to have form and consciousness. Hence the origin of the Primordial spiritual beings and Primordial spirits is the Primordial spiritual sphere not the Divine sphere. But one can say that the origin of their substances or the radiations which latter cooled down and formed them is the Divine sphere. This is the place where these radiations first precipitated out.

Understanding the above process explains why the primordial can exist, albeit for a while without losing its form, in the lowest part of the Divine. With beings or creatures, such would be impossible because the pressure of the Divine, which is much higher than that emanating from the core of the creature, would simply flung the being or creature back towards its plane of origin or away from the Divine plane. No primordial spiritual being or spirit can cross the threshold of the Grail castle and enter the Divine realm, such would be as impossible as trying to rise above the physical plane with your physical body. If such crossing is accomplished with the help or escort of higher Divine being, the primordial spiritual being or spirit would loss consciousness on crossing the border of the Divine sphere.

I have already the reason for this losing of consciousness. If you my above explanation carefully you would see why this would not happen to Imanuel. Imanuel’s innermost core is Divinity unsubstantiate, which can carries more mobility and pressure than any other specie including the Divine specie from which makes up the Divine sphere. It is this strength of his inner core that allows Him to surmount or counter balance the repulsive pressure of the Divine sphere, and lets Him step into the sphere with His specially fashioned Primordial spiritual body. Apart from my explanation, above, that the Primordial spiritual substance can exist in the lowest Divine sphere as unformed radiations, Imanuel’s body is made from the highest and strongest, hence the most refined, primordial spiritual substance or radiation. This is the preparation that took great pains and diligence to be accomplished, an act which only Elizabeth, who can be called the strongest Divine being, can accomplish. For the body came into being through the delicate, refined, dedicated, and gentle working of Elizabeth. The fact alone that this Primordial body can act as a body, not just a cloak, of a Divine unsubstantiate part of Imanuel already shows the strength of the substance or radiation which makes up this body.

For in this case, it not just a cloak but a body. A cloak means a certain distance from the core, while a body entails the closest nearness to the core. The body is the form of the core! Hence the body and core are inseparable! Ordinarily, giving a Divine unsubstantiated core a primordial spiritual body would have been impossible due to difference in specie. This is an act of such great magnitude that only God in His enormous strength and indescribable love could accomplish. However, in this accomplishment, the intrinsic abilities of species which we call the laws of creation, was not annulled. Ever act of God’s will unites and completely accords with the unalterable laws of creation. Hence to accomplish this, this part of Imanuel had to work in both Primordial spiritual sphere and the Divine sphere. His close connection with the spiritual due to His Primordial spiritual body entails that He eternally remains outside Divinity unsubstantiate. And to maintain closeness with this Primordial spiritual body, He had to work on both the Devine sphere and Primordial spiritual sphere. He cannot remain in the Primordial spiritual sphere eternally; for otherwise, in time this body will cool down like all Primordial spiritual substances and hence a separation from the core, which being unsubstantiated can never cool down, would occur. Then this core would be pulled above creation based on its lightness and attraction of homogenous species. Under such condition, or under such distancing from the Primordial part of him, this part would no longer serve as a body but as a cloak. Hence His having a primordial spiritual body conditions that He returns to the Divine realm every now than then. With each return to the Divine sphere, this Primordial spiritual body is subjected to extreme pressure, making it impossible for it to cool down, and also bringing it closer to the unsubstantiated core. However He cannot remain in the Divine sphere eternally; otherwise, in time, the pressure may cause this body to lose its form. This is all too simple and natural, and does not deviate, even minutely, from the laws of creation.

Hence the Grail Message writes;

This union, however, involves the obligation of remaining separated from the pure Divine, yet in spite of this permits and even conditions admittance to Divinity.
The addition of the spiritual to the Divine merely prevents a reunion which would otherwise be unavoidable.
http://grailmessage.com/en/volume-two/the-son-of-man

Therefore, maintaining this union of Primordial spiritual with a part of Divine unsubstantiality, conditions admittance into Divinity, i.e. Divine sphere or Divine substantiate sphere. However, this Primordial spiritually embodied part of Imanuel remains separated from Divine unsubstantiality or God.

Strive to put everything you read in the Grail message into motion. The Grail Message uses pictures to describe creation which remains in motion. The higher to climb in creation the more the motion intensifies. Never let any picture or process described to you become static and rigid, otherwise you will make a religion of the Grail message. Keep the entire Grail message in motion. If a process is described from above to the below, in a downward manner; after reading it, try to trace the same process in the reverse manner. Only when you have experienced it in going downwards and upwards in a perpetual motion can you grasp the process. The Grail message does not give in a platter of gold. It demands movement from its readers.

However, I’m very happy for you. You questions show that you are not static spiritually. Keep on moving! No amount of motion is too much. The more you move, the more you will be able to put the Grail Message in motion, and consequently the more it will reveal to you.

I hope I have exhaustively answered this question, concerning Imanuel’s body being able to exist in the Divine sphere. If not please point out the parts that are not clear.

Speer:
Secondly, Lucifer introduced a wrong principle to weed out what he considers weak spirits. If this is the only motive, why his violent reaction to the coming of Imanuel for a correction?

This is a very interesting question which I’m obliged to answer exhaustively. By the time Imanuel incarnated into creation, Lucifer already felt that mankind belonged to him(Lucifer) not God!

And to a certain extent, the majority of mankind belonged more to Lucifer than to God. Hence when some churches or mystic societies say that it was Lucifer who created mankind, they are not altogether misguided. And I will explain this.

Only the spirit germs, as they are or meant to be, can be traced to God, although indirectly; or better said, the spirit germs can be traced directly to the Kingdom of God. As all in the kingdom of God are pure, the spirit germs, despite not being strong enough to consciously partake of the life there, are pure. The spirit germs, or spirit seeds, like all seeds possess the ability of growing into full-fledged human spirit, which poses a fully conscious personality. This they can only achieve if the follow the blue print provided by the Will of God.
Hence imagine the human spirits are raw metals. One can use raw metal and build cars, after putting it through many processes. If one builds such a car based on the blue print provided by Ford, the individual may end up building a car identical to ford cars, provided he followed and met all the specifications provided by Ford motors. Such cars can be indirectly traced to Ford motors based on the blue print that guided its building. And car companies do that sometimes; sometimes Ford motors can buy another car company and give them their blue print, and every car built from that blue print is a Ford car. However, if such a company disregards the Ford blue print or specification and use the blue print from BMW to build a car, the car built will be a BMV and not Ford! Ford will sue such a company if they place Ford logo on such a car built from a BMW blueprint. It will be very misguided to call all such cars Ford cars.
The same is applicable to mankind. Majority of mankind built their personality from the blueprint of Lucifer, and such humans are not children of God. Therefore it is very wrong to consider all mankind children of God. Such human beings are Lucifer’s works! Hence when the coming of Imanuel vibrated across creation, Lucifer knew the implication of this! The entrance of Imanuel into subsequent creation will surely lead to the destruction of all that does not correspond to the Will of God, i.e. destruction of all Lucifer’s children.

Even though love has dried up in Lucifer, or even though he does not love these men that developed through his wrong will, he still felt a certain entitlement to them. They are his works, no artist likes seeing his works destroyed! And this mankind is also his field of activity! Or through mankind, subsequent creation became his field of activity! A being like Lucifer cannot be inactive for he is eternal, he has eternal life. And where there is life there is activity. Life and activity or movement are inseparable, they are one. Hence the worst punishment for Lucifer is destroying his field of activity. This will put him in an inactive state; and this is what he fought against.

The binding of Lucifer by the Parsifal, described in the Revelation of John is only but for a while. For this is an act of God and like all acts of God, it carries love and justice as an intrinsic part of it. Justice would not bind Lucifer eternally because of wrong development of subsequent creation. Even though Lucifer contributed to this wrong development, it was mankind in their spiritual indolence that made subsequent creation the field of activity of Lucifer. The angels in the Kingdom of God drove Lucifer’s volition out of this Kingdom themselves. Hence it is mankind who must render Lucifer powerless in subsequent creation. To help them do this, God through Imanuel gives mankind the millennium! A thousand spiritual years of mankind learning to swing in the Laws of God! During this Millennium, Lucifer is bound by Parsifal, so that mankind can learn from the volition of the son of man without the disturbing and hindering influence of Lucifer. This volition comes to us in the form of the Grail message! This one thousand years is enough for mankind to retrace their steps and become what God expected them to be when He allowed them to descend into matter. After these one thousand years, Lucifer would be released from the chains that Parsifal bound him with. But then if mankind had learned their lesson, Lucifer would become powerless in subsequent creation as he is above subsequent creation. And this is the eternal binding of Lucifer which he dreaded. Hence he fought to keep men spiritually indolent because only through them does his activity flourish.

After this purification of subsequent creation, or after the millennium, Lucifer would be released by God. But then Lucifer would be left with two choices, either to remain in an inactive state which would be almost impossible and terribly painful to him, or to discard his wrong principle and seek to stand in the will of God once more.

I don’t know if you can perceive the Love and Justice in the working of God. Love and Justice for both mankind and Lucifer.

There is no standstill in creation, much less above it. On wrong principle leads to another and soon a catastrophic state of evil arises. This is what happened with Lucifer. At first he introduced the principle of temptation to filter the weak from the strong; gradually through this wrong principle he sank. To the extent that when he realized that this principle was wrong, he could no longer pull himself out of the maze he created through it. At this point he became evil; for now he knew full well that his principle is wrong. Knowing that a principle is wrong and not letting it go is evil. Hence over time Lucifer became evil.

It wasn’t only mankind that got trapped in the wrong principle of temptation, but Lucifer himself! I will give an example. He tempted men to worship him and not God, through this he will separate the weak from the strong, for a strong spirit will direct his worship only to God. Prompted by this temptation, the weak ones let go of themselves and worshiped Lucifer. But it didn’t end there. Over time of these spirits directing their worship to him, Lucifer began to enjoy it and indulge in it! The trapper got trapped! It was this that quickened his fall, and made him too heavy that when it became clear to him that this principle was wrong, he could no longer detach himself from the maze it created.

I wish I had time to tell you more. How this worship of Lucifer changed the History of Egyptian civilization. For the sun god “Ra” that some Egyptians worshiped was a volition of Lucifer. Most civilizations that worshiped the sun, worshipped Lucifer indirectly and without knowing it. For after his failure, when his wings stunted and fell off him, he hung them on our sun. The clairvoyant among the ancient saw it and feeling its power, they fell on their knees and worshiped it. It is a terrible sign of spiritual indolence that the most populous Christian church on earth today adopted the monstrance and bow before it. The monstrance was developed by the ancient in their worship of the sun, their worship of Lucifer. It is not without significance that the Grail message condemned the homage paid to the monstrance.

Speer:
Once again, much obliged for your time.

Thank you too. I’m sorry that this reply came this late. I kept postponing it; but today being my last day before travelling, I felt urged to make out time and answer you. I will be travelling to Nigeria in a few hours from now, and I will spend one month in Nigeria where I will be too busy to use the internet. So any question you ask now might be answered after January next year.

As you have given me so much through your questions; I will share my joy with you: A few months ago I was awakened to the realization of an old friend of mine. An individual I have worked with in many past earth lives. And this December, our paths are going to cross again! An opportunity for us to make up where we failed in our previous lives. This individual will most likely consider this meeting, which will happen in Nigeria this December, to be the first time we are meeting; not suspecting we have known each other for many earth lives. But I hope that in time, our past history will be made available to this individual too.
An old circle is about to close for a new one to begin! I’m filled with joy, as much as I’m filled with prayer for strength not to fail again. Share my joy and pray for me, if it touches from your spirit.


Thanks and remain blessed.

Best wishes. Perhaps I too may be privileged to meet you.

justcool:

I’m very happy that you observed this! I knew it was a little bit too early to declare that on Nairaland but then I felt it might induce the question that you just raised. It induced movement in you, hence I will answer exhaustively.

Ordinarily, a being can never go above its origin. Primordial spiritual realm can never go above the Primordial sphere; human spirits can never go above the spiritual sphere and etc. This you already rightly grasped from the Grail Message.

However, this refers to the being, or the “creature.” No creature or being can consciously partake of conscious existence in a plane above its origin. This is because consciousness comes from the mobility of the core of the being, creature or spirit. And this inner mobility has to be able counterbalance the pressure of the plane where the being is. It is this interaction between the pressure from inner mobility and the pressure from the outside that gives rise to what we refer to as consciousness. Hence in a plane of a high pressure, pressure higher than that which results from the inner mobility the creature, the creature loses consciousness. Even a conscious human spirit in the Paradise of human, the lowest plane of the spiritual sphere, would lose consciousness immediately if he climbs to the next higher spiritual plane. At this next higher spiritual sphere, the aforementioned developed human spirit would lose consciousness but its form or body would not disintegrate. Only on the plane next higher spiritual plane above the one immediately higher than Paradise would such a spirit not only lose consciousness but its body would completely disintegrate as well; because the pressure there would be too high for its spiritual body to retain its form.
Hence in by any chance or under the most specially prepared circumstance a Primordial spiritual being originating in the highest primordial spiritual plane is taken into the lowest plane of the Divine sphere, once the uppermost boundary of the primordial spiritual sphere is crossed, this primordial spiritual being would lose consciousness immediately. His body and the substances that make up its body will still be able to exist, albeit unconsciously, at the lowest plane of the Divine sphere. Only when he tries to take another step higher into the next plane in Divine sphere, in the second to the lowest plane, would he lose not only his consciousness but his form as well. Complete combustion into nothingness, He ceases to exist!

This is not very difficult to grasp if you trace the descent or coming into existence of the being in the first place; then the reverse of the process is what I just described. Let us quickly take a look of how all beings came into existence. The radiation or substances we call Primordial spiritual was already in existence in the lowest part of the Divine plane as unformed radiations or substances. One can say that this point is the origin of these radiations or substances, the point where they were able to pull themselves out of the circulation movement of radiation in the Divine sphere. Or the point where they were deposited off the Divine radiation. However, mark my words carefully!!! This point is the origin of the radiations not the creatures or beings that could only come into being outside the border of the Divine. Hence that point, the lowest Divine plane, is the origin of primordial spiritual radiations. However at that point they could not take on form, much less become conscious. The being or creature originates from the point where it’s able to have form and consciousness. Hence the origin of the Primordial spiritual beings and Primordial spirits is the Primordial spiritual sphere not the Divine sphere. But one can say that the origin of their substances or the radiations which latter cooled down and formed them is the Divine sphere. This is the place where these radiations first precipitated out.

Understanding the above process explains why the primordial can exist, albeit for a while without losing its form, in the lowest part of the Divine. With beings or creatures, such would be impossible because the pressure of the Divine, which is much higher than that emanating from the core of the creature, would simply flung the being or creature back towards its plane of origin or away from the Divine plane. No primordial spiritual being or spirit can cross the threshold of the Grail castle and enter the Divine realm, such would be as impossible as trying to rise above the physical plane with your physical body. If such crossing is accomplished with the help or escort of higher Divine being, the primordial spiritual being or spirit would loss consciousness on crossing the border of the Divine sphere.

I have already the reason for this losing of consciousness. If you my above explanation carefully you would see why this would not happen to Imanuel. Imanuel’s innermost core is Divinity unsubstantiate, which can carries more mobility and pressure than any other specie including the Divine specie from which makes up the Divine sphere. It is this strength of his inner core that allows Him to surmount or counter balance the repulsive pressure of the Divine sphere, and lets Him step into the sphere with His specially fashioned Primordial spiritual body. Apart from my explanation, above, that the Primordial spiritual substance can exist in the lowest Divine sphere as unformed radiations, Imanuel’s body is made from the highest and strongest, hence the most refined, primordial spiritual substance or radiation. This is the preparation that took great pains and diligence to be accomplished, an act which only Elizabeth, who can be called the strongest Divine being, can accomplish. For the body came into being through the delicate, refined, dedicated, and gentle working of Elizabeth. The fact alone that this Primordial body can act as a body, not just a cloak, of a Divine unsubstantiate part of Imanuel already shows the strength of the substance or radiation which makes up this body.

For in this case, it not just a cloak but a body. A cloak means a certain distance from the core, while a body entails the closest nearness to the core. The body is the form of the core! Hence the body and core are inseparable! Ordinarily, giving a Divine unsubstantiated core a primordial spiritual body would have been impossible due to difference in specie. This is an act of such great magnitude that only God in His enormous strength and indescribable love could accomplish. However, in this accomplishment, the intrinsic abilities of species which we call the laws of creation, was not annulled. Ever act of God’s will unites and completely accords with the unalterable laws of creation. Hence to accomplish this, this part of Imanuel had to work in both Primordial spiritual sphere and the Divine sphere. His close connection with the spiritual due to His Primordial spiritual body entails that He eternally remains outside Divinity unsubstantiate. And to maintain closeness with this Primordial spiritual body, He had to work on both the Devine sphere and Primordial spiritual sphere. He cannot remain in the Primordial spiritual sphere eternally; for otherwise, in time this body will cool down like all Primordial spiritual substances and hence a separation from the core, which being unsubstantiated can never cool down, would occur. Then this core would be pulled above creation based on its lightness and attraction of homogenous species. Under such condition, or under such distancing from the Primordial part of him, this part would no longer serve as a body but as a cloak. Hence His having a primordial spiritual body conditions that He returns to the Divine realm every now than then. With each return to the Divine sphere, this Primordial spiritual body is subjected to extreme pressure, making it impossible for it to cool down, and also bringing it closer to the unsubstantiated core. However He cannot remain in the Divine sphere eternally; otherwise, in time, the pressure may cause this body to lose its form. This is all too simple and natural, and does not deviate, even minutely, from the laws of creation.

Hence the Grail Message writes;

This union, however, involves the obligation of remaining separated from the pure Divine, yet in spite of this permits and even conditions admittance to Divinity.
The addition of the spiritual to the Divine merely prevents a reunion which would otherwise be unavoidable.
http://grailmessage.com/en/volume-two/the-son-of-man

Therefore, maintaining this union of Primordial spiritual with a part of Divine unsubstantiality, conditions admittance into Divinity, i.e. Divine sphere or Divine substantiate sphere. However, this Primordial spiritually embodied part of Imanuel remains separated from Divine unsubstantiality or God.

Strive to put everything you read in the Grail message into motion. The Grail Message uses pictures to describe creation which remains in motion. The higher to climb in creation the more the motion intensifies. Never let any picture or process described to you become static and rigid, otherwise you will make a religion of the Grail message. Keep the entire Grail message in motion. If a process is described from above to the below, in a downward manner; after reading it, try to trace the same process in the reverse manner. Only when you have experienced it in going downwards and upwards in a perpetual motion can you grasp the process. The Grail message does not give in a platter of gold. It demands movement from its readers.

However, I’m very happy for you. You questions show that you are not static spiritually. Keep on moving! No amount of motion is too much. The more you move, the more you will be able to put the Grail Message in motion, and consequently the more it will reveal to you.

I hope I have exhaustively answered this question, concerning Imanuel’s body being able to exist in the Divine sphere. If not please point out the parts that are not clear.



This is a very interesting question which I’m obliged to answer exhaustively. By the time Imanuel incarnated into creation, Lucifer already felt that mankind belonged to him(Lucifer) not God!

And to a certain extent, the majority of mankind belonged more to Lucifer than to God. Hence when some churches or mystic societies say that it was Lucifer who created mankind, they are not altogether misguided. And I will explain this.

Only the spirit germs, as they are or meant to be, can be traced to God, although indirectly; or better said, the spirit germs can be traced directly to the Kingdom of God. As all in the kingdom of God are pure, the spirit germs, despite not being strong enough to consciously partake of the life there, are pure. The spirit germs, or spirit seeds, like all seeds possess the ability of growing into full-fledged human spirit, which poses a fully conscious personality. This they can only achieve if the follow the blue print provided by the Will of God.
Hence imagine the human spirits are raw metals. One can use raw metal and build cars, after putting it through many processes. If one builds such a car based on the blue print provided by Ford, the individual may end up building a car identical to ford cars, provided he followed and met all the specifications provided by Ford motors. Such cars can be indirectly traced to Ford motors based on the blue print that guided its building. And car companies do that sometimes; sometimes Ford motors can buy another car company and give them their blue print, and every car built from that blue print is a Ford car. However, if such a company disregards the Ford blue print or specification and use the blue print from BMW to build a car, the car built will be a BMV and not Ford! Ford will sue such a company if they place Ford logo on such a car built from a BMW blueprint. It will be very misguided to call all such cars Ford cars.
The same is applicable to mankind. Majority of mankind built their personality from the blueprint of Lucifer, and such humans are not children of God. Therefore it is very wrong to consider all mankind children of God. Such human beings are Lucifer’s works! Hence when the coming of Imanuel vibrated across creation, Lucifer knew the implication of this! The entrance of Imanuel into subsequent creation will surely lead to the destruction of all that does not correspond to the Will of God, i.e. destruction of all Lucifer’s children.

Even though love has dried up in Lucifer, or even though he does not love these men that developed through his wrong will, he still felt a certain entitlement to them. They are his works, no artist likes seeing his works destroyed! And this mankind is also his field of activity! Or through mankind, subsequent creation became his field of activity! A being like Lucifer cannot be inactive for he is eternal, he has eternal life. And where there is life there is activity. Life and activity or movement are inseparable, they are one. Hence the worst punishment for Lucifer is destroying his field of activity. This will put him in an inactive state; and this is what he fought against.

The binding of Lucifer by the Parsifal, described in the Revelation of John is only but for a while. For this is an act of God and like all acts of God, it carries love and justice as an intrinsic part of it. Justice would not bind Lucifer eternally because of wrong development of subsequent creation. Even though Lucifer contributed to this wrong development, it was mankind in their spiritual indolence that made subsequent creation the field of activity of Lucifer. The angels in the Kingdom of God drove Lucifer’s volition out of this Kingdom themselves. Hence it is mankind who must render Lucifer powerless in subsequent creation. To help them do this, God through Imanuel gives mankind the millennium! A thousand spiritual years of mankind learning to swing in the Laws of God! During this Millennium, Lucifer is bound by Parsifal, so that mankind can learn from the volition of the son of man without the disturbing and hindering influence of Lucifer. This volition comes to us in the form of the Grail message! This one thousand years is enough for mankind to retrace their steps and become what God expected them to be when He allowed them to descend into matter. After these one thousand years, Lucifer would be released from the chains that Parsifal bound him with. But then if mankind had learned their lesson, Lucifer would become powerless in subsequent creation as he is above subsequent creation. And this is the eternal binding of Lucifer which he dreaded. Hence he fought to keep men spiritually indolent because only through them does his activity flourish.

After this purification of subsequent creation, or after the millennium, Lucifer would be released by God. But then Lucifer would be left with two choices, either to remain in an inactive state which would be almost impossible and terribly painful to him, or to discard his wrong principle and seek to stand in the will of God once more.

I don’t know if you can perceive the Love and Justice in the working of God. Love and Justice for both mankind and Lucifer.

There is no standstill in creation, much less above it. On wrong principle leads to another and soon a catastrophic state of evil arises. This is what happened with Lucifer. At first he introduced the principle of temptation to filter the weak from the strong; gradually through this wrong principle he sank. To the extent that when he realized that this principle was wrong, he could no longer pull himself out of the maze he created through it. At this point he became evil; for now he knew full well that his principle is wrong. Knowing that a principle is wrong and not letting it go is evil. Hence over time Lucifer became evil.

It wasn’t only mankind that got trapped in the wrong principle of temptation, but Lucifer himself! I will give an example. He tempted men to worship him and not God, through this he will separate the weak from the strong, for a strong spirit will direct his worship only to God. Prompted by this temptation, the weak ones let go of themselves and worshiped Lucifer. But it didn’t end there. Over time of these spirits directing their worship to him, Lucifer began to enjoy it and indulge in it! The trapper got trapped! It was this that quickened his fall, and made him too heavy that when it became clear to him that this principle was wrong, he could no longer detach himself from the maze it created.

I wish I had time to tell you more. How this worship of Lucifer changed the History of Egyptian civilization. For the sun god “Ra” that some Egyptians worshiped was a volition of Lucifer. Most civilizations that worshiped the sun, worshipped Lucifer indirectly and without knowing it. For after his failure, when his wings stunted and fell off him, he hung them on our sun. The clairvoyant among the ancient saw it and feeling its power, they fell on their knees and worshiped it. It is a terrible sign of spiritual indolence that the most populous Christian church on earth today adopted the monstrance and bow before it. The monstrance was developed by the ancient in their worship of the sun, their worship of Lucifer. It is not without significance that the Grail message condemned the homage paid to the monstrance.




Thank you too. I’m sorry that this reply came this late. I kept postponing it; but today being my last day before travelling, I felt urged to make out time and answer you. I will be travelling to Nigeria in a few hours from now, and I will spend one month in Nigeria where I will be too busy to use the internet. So any question you ask now might be answered after January next year.

As you have given me so much through your questions; I will share my joy with you: A few months ago I was awakened to the realization of an old friend of mine. An individual I have worked with in many past earth lives. And this December, our paths are going to cross again! An opportunity for us to make up where we failed in our previous lives. This individual will most likely consider this meeting, which will happen in Nigeria this December, to be the first time we are meeting; not suspecting we have known each other for many earth lives. But I hope that in time, our past history will be made available to this individual too.
An old circle is about to close for a new one to begin! I’m filled with joy, as much as I’m filled with prayer for strength not to fail again. Share my joy and pray for me, if it touches from your spirit.


Thanks and remain blessed.

Thanks Justcool,

Have a joyous, blessed and reaffirming trip and an enlightening stay.

Peace and action!!!

justcool:

I will be travelling to Nigeria in a few hours from now, and I will spend one month in Nigeria where I will be too busy to use the internet. So any question you ask now might be answered after January next year.

Justcool, I have been following your exchange with Speer for sometime and I must say that your answers always provide deep insights which should help any reader come to a deeper appreciation of what the Author of the Grail Message sought to explain to mankind. Would appreciate if you could let us know on this forum when you are back from Nigeria. Perhaps you can help shed some light on a few more issues. Thanks.

Uncle Charles: Best wishes. Perhaps I too may be privileged to meet you.

@ Uncle Charles
May the Almighty grant it!! It will be my privilege.

Speer:
Thanks Justcool,

Have a joyous, blessed and reaffirming trip and an enlightening stay.

Peace and action!!!

Thanks Speer! My visit was indeed very enlightening. Experiences came to me that deepened my insight greatly. Veils after veils were thrown back from new insights; it was like bandages falling of my eyes. Perhaps, when I have time, I may be able to modify some of my experiences in a manner that I can share them on a public forum like this. I'm filled with gratitude towards the Light for every minute of my stay in Nigeria.

shinealight:

Justcool, I have been following your exchange with Speer for sometime and I must say that your answers always provide deep insights which should help any reader come to a deeper appreciation of what the Author of the Grail Message sought to explain to mankind. Would appreciate if you could let us know on this forum when you are back from Nigeria. Perhaps you can help shed some light on a few more issues. Thanks.

Thanks dear friend, and welcome to this thread! I'm back from Nigeria now, so kindly raise your issues and I will most gladly share my perception. I don’t promise a prompt reply each time, since I'm a very busy person; but I will always reply, at my opportune time.



Thank you all! May this year bring us all greater spiritual mobility!

Hello Justcool, welcome back! I daresay one cannot make a visit to motherland Africa without having some unforgetable experiences some of which may serve as turning points in our lives, if we permit ourselves the deep reflection that is needed. I can only wish you strength in that regard!

Now to the issues I wanted to raise for your further consideration:
1.) How is it that all the Helpers sent by the Light to help the human spirit in their further development and/or enlightenment
(includining Jesus, Parsifal, Cassandra, etc) had to pass through the various levels of creation to reach the World of Matter with the exception of Lucifer? Why was it that as a Helper (which Lucifer was originally meant to be) he had to come outside creation and always remained outside creation? I have often wondered about this peculiarity.

2.) In the lecture Baptism, we read that John the Baptist had to come so that as the ONLY Called One he could baptise the Son of God (Jesus) in His earthly vessel at the beginning of His Mission on earth. We also learned about the Seer who was shown clearly the danger that was to befall the Prince (name withheld) during his first coming but failed to alert Him until the deed occurred. The Seer was a Called One who failed in his calling and thereby allowed the unthinkable to happen! I thought these two events are worth noting as they show that not all Called Ones are dispensable as implied in one of the threads above.

I thank you in advance for your comments.

Welcome back Justcool..................happy to have our "Guru" around again!!

Did you perchance pass by Benin during your stay in the Vaterland?

How "depthfull" are the Movement's activities?

Very much look forward to your sharing of your experiences.


My inquiry relates to this from the Message:



"Every false helper, however, will have to undergo bitter experiences! His ascent in the beyond can only begin when the very last of all those whom he has held up or even led astray by spiritual trifling has come to recognition. As long as his books and writings continue to influence men on earth, he will be held fast in the next world, [b]even if in the meantime he has come to a better understanding there[/b]."

If such a spirit comes to a higher consciousness in the ethereal world, it will automatically cast off the old ethereal threads and move to a higher plane, why then does the above state that it will be held fast (until the very last astray soul is corrected) even after it has come to a better understanding?

@speer and shinalight.

This is just to let you two know that I've seen your post but haven't had time to respond.

I'm so pressed by time this period; I'm actually writing this with my cellphone.

I'm trying to make out time this coming weekend to share my perception on your very worthy posts. Please bear with me.

@shinealight and speer

I’m deeply sorry for this very late reply. I have been very busy since I returned. Now to the issues you raised!

shinealight: Hello Justcool, welcome back! I daresay one cannot make a visit to motherland Africa without having some unforgetable experiences some of which may serve as turning points in our lives, if we permit ourselves the deep reflection that is needed. I can only wish you strength in that regard!

True! And thanks for your wishes; I definitely draw strength from this visit.

shinealight:
1.) How is it that all the Helpers sent by the Light to help the human spirit in their further development and/or enlightenment
(includining Jesus, Parsifal, Cassandra, etc) had to pass through the various levels of creation to reach the World of Matter with the exception of Lucifer? Why was it that as a Helper (which Lucifer was originally meant to be) he had to come outside creation and always remained outside creation? I have often wondered about this peculiarity.

Good question. My perception is as follows:


What determines whether any help world incarnate into matter or not is the nature of the help that the helper is to give. Not all helpers incarnate into matter. Lucifer’s help was in regard to the entire creation, not just the world of matter, much less earthly mankind. Such help does not necessitate an incarnation into the world of matter. In regards to mankind, Lucifer was to help them spiritualize their intellect, to make proper good of their intellect. This mission does not necessitate incarnation into any of the material planets. And I must pause here to explain elaborately.


The human spirit germs being of a spiritual nature is very alien to the nature of all that is gross material, including the intellect. Hence after incarnation into matter, the spirit germs were developing as expected. Gradually, and step by step, they developed or descended till they were ripe for earthly incarnation. With earthly incarnation, another tool is placed at their disposal, the earthly physical body. And the nature of this tool is furthest(most different) from the nature of the developing spirit germ which up till then was developing only spiritually. At this point stagnation in this gradual development was about to occur because the spirit germs were too weak to subjugate the voice of their physical body, the intellect, which compared to the intuitive perception, is very coarse and terribly heavy. Hence a chasm was about to occur in the process of development, leaving only two roads open to the up-till-then very spiritually perceptive spirit germs. One road is to remain completely spiritual neglecting or not fully making use of their physical tool, the intellect. This defeats the purpose of physical incarnation, for then the physical experiencing very much needed for the completion of their development would be lacking; for a thorough experiencing of the physical plane or world of coarsest gross matter, the use of the intellect is indispensible. If mankind had taken this road, the earth today may more be moralistic than it is now; but all the technological achievements would have been lacking. Mankind would still be leaving in caves, for they will lack the tool that they need to transform the earth physically, a sound intellect. Even the language and the ability to speak may not even develop or may only be developed to meager level. This would be tantamount to physical stagnation, a stagnation which in its reciprocal effect will greatly burden the spirit, retarding its development and forcing it to stagnation too. The second road open to them was to completely give in to the intellect and neglect the voice of their spirits. Do I need to mention the consequences that would arise from taking this road?


To prevent this chasm that was bound to occur between the spirit germs and the proper use of their tool—intellect—Lucifer was given the task of helping mankind use their intellect. Like I said earlier, at this point in their development, the spirit germs were still very spiritually perceptive or intuitive; hence they could easily pick up impressions from the beyond with their spirits. Hence Lucifer did not have to incarnate into the physical plane; all he needed to do was to send his volitions into matter, to the developing human spirit germ which can easily pick up these volitions or suggestions and follow them. Hence Lucifer did not have to incarnate physically; that was not necessary.


Physical incarnation of called ones, which arouse later, became necessary due to the failure of mankind. By neglecting their intuitive perception and heeding only the voice of their intellect, mankind lost their ability to pick up spiritual impressions from above material realms. They completely walled off their spirits, the only thing which can soar above matter and pick up impressions with its antenna, the spiritual intuition. One can equally say that mankind closed their spiritual eyes and ears! The road that leads from their spirit was blocked, only that with leads through their cloaks—especially the physical body—remained open. Hence the only way to get to them is through physically showing them and speaking to them. Hence for help to reach them, the prophets had to incarnate physically; mankind had to physically see and hear these prophets, since mankind only perceive physically. Only what is seen or heard physically makes sense to mankind of today! Think about the court proceedings of today; only physical evidence is taken seriously! Cast an intuitive glance on one of the popular slogans of today: “seeing is believing!” and “seeing” here refers to seeing with the physical eyes only, thus perceiving with the physical senses only. Everybody quickly accepts this intellectual slogan as the ultimate truth; however one should not limit his perception to the physical senses alone or give credence only to physical perception! But one should give credence only to his intuitive perception! Hence deep Truth lies in the words, “Blessed are those who do not see and yet believe.” Unfortunately, today, the above biblical saying is interpreted as endorsement of blind faith or believing without weighing and examining. On the contrary the saying means that blessed are those who perceive intuitively!


To expand it further: I know you are a crossbearer and perhaps may have read the book called, “From the heart of Africa.” Think about the Negroes who out of physical inactivity lost the ability to speak! They were physically inactive but still spiritually perceptive, or better said, ethereally perceptive, or even more correct, astraly perceptive. Yet they were headed to physical annihilation, because a successful physical living demands physical alertness which only comes from full use of the physical senses, including the intellect. And this physical stagnation was their mistake, which is terribly wrong. The fact that they were still intuitively perceptive is clearly revealed by the fact that they could clearly see and communicate with the elementals; and by the fact that when they saw the son of the Light, they recognized him immediately. Without any introduction or any words from Him, they fell upon their knees! If a called one was to be sent to those Negroes, such a called one may not need to incarnate physically on earth, he may be able to lead them from the ethereal realm or astral; since they could clearly perceive the beyond. Mankind in their early stage of development can be likened to aforementioned Negroes. That’s how mankind may have remained if they didn’t receive help on how to fully use their intellect. Hence it become necessary to teach them how to place both feet on matter and fully experience the world of matter through their earthly tools; the physical body.

On the other hand, while mankind progressed intellectually, their perception of the beyond should not have stopped either. No matter how much intellectual growth or advancement they make, they can still keep their ability to perceive intuitively aglow. If mankind had developed this way, then the necessity of Jesus incarnating physically on earth would not have arisen, mankind would have been able to experience creation as a whole, and that’s the way creation is designed to be experienced. Gaps only arouse out of failure of mankind, through this failure mankind shut themselves out of Paradise, i.e. out of experiencing paradise. If they had kept both sides – the intellect and the intuition—aglow in the right manner, even while with both feet on the earth, they could still clearly experience or perceive life in the beyond; and in time they will be able to experience and clearly perceive Paradise even while still on earth. And this is where mankind failed, they moved only with the intellect while neglecting their spirits. They way to reach them hence became only physically.


Imagine children playing in the veranda while their father is sitting in the living room and watching them through the window. When the children start to misbehave, he can, while sitting in the living room, raise his voice and call them to order; they will hear him, provided they still have ears. But if the children, while playing wrongly, puncture their ears and lose their ability to hear; then, in order to instruct them, their father would have to leave his living room and enter the veranda and demonstrate his instructions to them.


To add further explanations: Even after the failure of mankind, Lucifer still could influence mankind without incarnating in coarsest gross matter. Even after mankind closed themselves to thier intuitive perception, the clairvoyants among them who could still see the beyond, could only see the dark planes of the beyond. Based on the law of attraction of homogeneous species, they could only see realms homogeneous to them. Hence they could only see the realms of darkness. This also makes it easier for the fallen Lucifer to lead mankind without incarnating on earth. It also makes it more difficult for the light to lead earthly mankind without incarnating on earth. Based on homogeneity, mankind can perceive the dark realm where Lucifer’s volition reigns! They can also see and perceive this volition, its living form. For example, Lucifer, through his volition "Re" led ancient Egypt for a long time. Many of them could clearly see him who the called “Re” or the sun god. Now Imagine if a prophet or Jesus Himself only descended as far as the ethereal realm; based on the law of homogeneity, His ethereal environment would be the purest of all ethereal plane; and such an environment will hardly be perceived or seen by majority of earthly mankind who do not carry as much inner purity; they lack the homogenous bridge. Hence from the ethereal realm Jesus would not be able to reach the entire mankind, only the best among mankind may approach his ethereal environment. The rest would not be able to do so because the law of attraction homogeneous species would not allow it. But on earth, due to the density of coarsest gross matter, good and evil may dwell side by side. Hence on earth an evil person may be able to approach Jesus, ask Him questions, and learn from Him. Only on earth can Jesus approach the entire mankind, both the good and the bad ones. The same is applicable with Parzifal and Cassandra, who in their first incarnations on earth, came to learn or become acquainted with the behavior of mankind. Based on their(Parzifal and Cassandra) high origin, mankind developing from spirit germs, are very different to them(Parzifal and Cassandra); hence they had to incarnate on earth to learn how men behave, think, act and perceive intuitively, as a preparation for their subsequent mission which involves dealing with men. Only on earth could they meet the majority of mankind, both the good and the bad. In other parts of creation, the law of attraction of homogenous species will not let any evil human being come close to these highly called ones.

shinealight:
2.) In the lecture Baptism, we read that John the Baptist had to come so that as the ONLY Called One he could baptise the Son of God (Jesus) in His earthly vessel at the beginning of His Mission on earth. We also learned about the Seer who was shown clearly the danger that was to befall the Prince (name withheld) during his first coming but failed to alert Him until the deed occurred. The Seer was a Called One who failed in his calling and thereby allowed the unthinkable to happen! I thought these two events are worth noting as they show that not all Called Ones are dispensable as implied in one of the threads above .

My perception is as follows:


The two examples you gave tallies perfectly and harmoniously with the explanation I gave earlier, to which you alluded. It depends on the nature of the calling. A human spirit can step in and fulfill where called human spirit failed; such a one will be given the strength to bridge the gap that results from the failure of the called one. However, the human spirit will not not be able to step in and fulfill a calling that requires a Primordial spirit, much less the one that requires a Divine being or the two sons of God. Hence I said that in the case of Lucifer no human spirit or any spirit can step in and correct his mistake, only the son of man Imanuel was given this task. I already said this in an earlier post to Speer. But a higher being can step in and fulfill the calling of a failing human spirit. The prince you mentioned, in His second advent on earth, had to step in fulfill where many called ones failed.



However none of these discredits the statement that no called one is indispensible. Even if John the Baptist had failed, Jesus would still have received His baptism and continued with His mission. When the Grail message reffered to John as the only callled one, this refference is in regards to the earth and mankind. Hence John baptist was the only called one on earth or among mankind physically equipped to baptise Jesus. Any human being could not have fulfilled this role; no humanbeing on earth at time could have fulfilled this role. However if John had failed, another Primodial spirit would have fulfilled this role without incarnating on earth. The physical performance of this act is only an outward covering, the real act istelf is spiritual! Only the spiritual is indespensible for blessings to arise, the physical act is not the main act itself. The Prince you mentioned, in His second earthly advent, the person called to baptize Him or awaken Him to His mission on earth, failed. This person was called to do an act similar what John did to Jesus, but he failed. The act had to be done from the beyond. While in a social gathering, a called Primordial spiritual being, who had already journeyed down to the ethereal realm, was able to achieve this act through a human spirit who voluntarily surrendered her physical vessel to this Primordial spiritual. This Primordial spirit, then spoke through her, awakening the prince to His mission. At a point in His(name withheld)mission Jesus had to journey down to the ethereal realm fulfill an act similar to baptisim to this servant of God who you and I know; this act involved confering and office or title to Him; only Jesus could confer this office or title to this servant of the Light. This is the second coming which Jesus spoke about; however this act did not receive a coarsest gross material covering, it was not done in the physical realm, although this servant of God was living physically on earth at that time, Jesus did not have to incarnate on earth again to perform this act which is similar to baptism. In order not to reveal too much I won’t go deeper in this particular case. I hope I’ve said enough to get my point across to you.


In the case of the seer. It will be absurd to think that the prince’s life depended only on the seer. By the time the seer failed, the prince had done all He needed to do on earth. Otherwise, the prince would have been alerted of the danger through some other means. Keep in mind that the prince is clairvoyant Himself! There was a reason why that danger was not alerted to Him but rather made known to a human being, the seer. At another instance didn’t He hear Ishmael directly telling Him where to camp? His mission concluded the moment Nahome called Him Par…..! What did He say afterwards to Nahome? What realization came to Him after this name calling or discovering of His identity? He was not to be recognized on earth at that time, for He was to live as a man among men. Hence the moment humans started regonizing His identity and origin, signified the completion of His mission in that particuler incarnation. Prior to the conclusion of His mission, no amount of failure from any spirit or being could have resulted in His earthly demise! Don’t belittle the power of God!! In order, not to reveal too much, let’s look at the life of Jesus. By the time His safety rested in the shoulders of mankind, he had actually finished His mission. The time He was arrested wasn’t the first and the only time mankind had sought to kill Him. But prior to that, His safety did not depend on mankind. At a point in His mission, before He said all he had to say to mankind, the entire mankind would not have been able to lay a harming hand on Him! Remember, just a few hours before His arrest, He stood at the Temple and preached. A few days earlier He entered Jerusalem as a King, and also a few days prior to His arrest, He forcibly drove money changers out of the temple in front of everybody. Yet nobody dared touched Him! Not even the roman soldiers who were ever ready to arrest any trouble maker. With the last supper, His mission ended; He had said all He had to say to mankind; and with that Grail act, which we call the last supper, He commemorated the end of His mission! Only from then did mankind have anything to say about His safety. He could have stayed longer, of course, if mankind proved they deserved it by keeping Him safe.


I repeat, in light happenings, nobody, no matter how highly called, is indispensible! The failure of highly called ones can delay things or alter things a little but nothing can prevent the happening all together. In some cases where a Primordial spiritual being fails, another Primordial spiritual will be sent; so this failure will only delay things a little.


God’s volition is stronger than the entire creation; no creature can prevent it. In its fulfillment, no creature, no matter how highly called, is indispensible! Any creature that ever, even for one second, considers himself indispensible is already lost. In the end God's will must be fulfilled to minutest detail! Nothing can escape this! Not even the smallest grain of sand will rest an inch away from the will of God in the end. In the intermediary, different options or paths might arise due to the freewill of spirits which can result in thier failure, but the final destination is the WILL of God.


Thanks a lot. Feel free to raise issues.. Remain blessed!


@ speer
Please bear with me. This is as much I can go today. Time forbids me to go further. I will treat yours as soon as time permits me. Please bear with me.

No worries at all Justcool, your responses are very much appreciated. Take your time and convenience.

Have a zesty week.........

@Speer

Speer:
No worries at all Justcool, your responses are very much appreciated. Take your time and convenience.

Have a zesty week.........

Thanks so much my dear friend. I deeply appreciate your patience. I get lost in a maze of activities sometimes; I need to improve on how I manage my time. But never ever withhold any question because of my lack of time or poor time management; never be discouraged to ask me anything. Please always raise your issues. You can never ask too much questions. And don’t ever feel that you are bothering me or pestering me in anyway. When I don’t reply timely, it’s my fault, and not yours.

Speer:

"Every false helper, however, will have to undergo bitter experiences! His ascent in the beyond can only begin when the very last of all those whom he has held up or even led astray by spiritual trifling has come to recognition. As long as his books and writings continue to influence men on earth, he will be held fast in the next world, [b]even if in the meantime he has come to a better understanding there[/b]."

If such a spirit comes to a higher consciousness in the ethereal world, it will automatically cast off the old ethereal threads and move to a higher plane, why then does the above state that it will be held fast (until the very last astray soul is corrected) even after it has come to a better understanding?

I touched this in an earlier picture that I painted about the fate of the suicide bomber who could not free himself from his burning plane until he helped the entities, trapped along with him, out of the fire. To the suicide bomber, these entities are the same people he killed in his suicidal mission. The process is similar; although not exactly the same, the same mechanism and principle lies behind them.

Even though in my picture, the entities holding the man down are not the actual individuals he killed, and in the case you raised the false teacher is held fast by the treads of faith connecting him to the actual individuals he misled, the same principle is behind both processes. And the principle is love! Both individuals lack love, and what holds them down is this lack of love.

Let’s look at an example. The false helper above has given his congregation an erroneous teaching, by teaching them that there is no life after death. On passing over he realizes that life continues after death; thus he came to a better recognition. But this recognition does not automatically allow him to ascend to the light; he still carries the propensity that allowed him to teach his fellow men something erroneous while on earth. And this propensity is carelessness to what he feeds his fellow men, lack of consideration for his fellow man, or simply put, lack of love. If he had genuine love while on earth, he would only teach his fellow men what he personally has experienced in all its ramifications, hence what he is very sure of. As long as he still carries this propensity, he will be held fast in the beyond, even though he has come to the recognition that life continues after death.

Another example: A man out if the desire to be worshiped allows this desire to drive him into believing that he is God. He teaches his congregation this belief which he truly believes and forces them to accept it through intimidation or through some other means. Be it only frowning on anybody who disagrees with, it is already an unjust intimidation. On crossing over, after a longer or shorter stay in the beyond, bitter experiences soon come to his aid, he realizes that he is not God. Hence he has come to a better recognition. You can say that he has made a step towards the right direction. But as long as he still carries the propensity that prompted him to think that he is God in the first place, he will be held; and as long as he still carries the lack of love that allowed him to feed his fellow men this poison he will be held fast in the beyond. Tied with invisible treads of fate to the people he deceived while on earth. Hence at this stage, his ascent to the light is still totally out of the question.

Until genuine love awakens in him. Yet this love will not free him immediately, rather it will compel him to voluntarily wish to help the people he deceived out of the deception. Only at this point will he be offered an opportunity to redeem his guilt symbolically. This opportunity might come in the form of him being allowed to be the spiritual guide of one of the people he once deceived while on earth. Through promptings and suggestions, if he is able to persuade one of them to drop this erroneous teaching, he will be freed from that tread of fate.

If this genuine love never awakens in him, he will have to remain held fast till all the people he deceived realize the error of his teaching. And this is almost impossible because such teachings are usually passed on from generation to generation; therefore this man may count on eternal dammination. The same is applicable to one who writes a book of erroneous teachings, as long as his book remains on earth and keeps influencing people, he will be held fast in the beyond. However if genuine love awakens in him, this love will compel him to want to voluntarily help the people being deceived by his book, only then will a way out be shown to him through symbolic redemption. In such a case, he may succeed even from the beyond in persuading one of the readers of his book to drop the erroneous teaching. Or he may incarnate on earth to write another book exposing the falsehood of the book he wrote in his previous earth life. Even though in this incarnation he may not realize that he was the one who once wrote the book with erroneous teaching. In this incarnation he will find himself drawn to the book and filled with the desire to expose its falsehood.

Let us step aside from the topic a little to consider our environment. Every now and then we see a man so concerned about a particular issue; he spends almost his whole life over this issue, that people often wonder what is wrong with him. In some cases that issue may be the dominant factor that decided his incarnation. For example, we see a man fighting with all his might to expose the falsehood of a particular writing or scripture that people hold sacred. Such a man may have written the scripture in question in his previous earth life. On coming to recognition of his errors and on the onset of genuine love awakening in him, an opportunity is given to him to incarnate and correct his errors. Depending on the degree of love in his heart; he may be freed by freeing just one person from the errors of his book. Such a repentant one who symbolically redeems his guilt will no longer be held till everybody reading the book comes to recognition. His love has given him a way out.

Returning to the issue at hand: Recognition does not come all at one; ascent does not come all at once, It happens gradually. One comes to recognition inch by inch, link by link. And all the threads of fate are hardly snapped all at once, rather they snap, one after the other. Whatever the case maybe, love is the only way out of any type of entanglement; Hence Christ kept emphasizing on the importance of Love. Coming to a better recognition does not always imply coming to full or complete recognition of all one’s guilt, which is tantamount to having awakened pure or genuine love.

The verse you quoted said, “better recognition” not complete recognition of all guilt, or complete awakening of genuine love, which is tantamount to full recognition; which brings opportunity for symbolic redemption, which in its reciprocal affect, redeem the individual from all guilt.

A false teacher, who has not awakened to love, will be held fast in the beyond, even if he already recognizes the error of his teaching, until all the people he led astray gains clarification or comes to recognition.

Also, the verse said “held fast in the next world” that is held fast in the ethereal realm. You already know that you cannot ascend out of the ethereal realm into the Kingdom of God with, even the smallest particle of guilt still attached to you. The individual ethereal environment changes gradually as his inward maturity or recognition changes; but he may never leave the ethereal realm till he has completely redeemed all his guilt. As long as guilt still attaches to him, his ascent into the kingdom of God is out of the question.

What you wrote: “it will automatically cast off the old ethereal threads and move to a higher plane..” Is not wrong but one has to keep in mind that this “automatically casting off the old ethereal threads,” means living them off, or in other words, redeeming them. And one can redeem guilt symbolically. And this "redeeming them" or "living them off" may involve helping the decieved ones come to better recognition. But genuine love can make it easier on a repentant soul alowing him to be redeem through just helping one of the people he decieved. This is symbolic redemption of guilt, which only pure repentance that stems from love can bring about.

An excellent symbolic redemption happened with the thief that Christ promised, “you will be in Paradise.” When I have time, we can explore that happening and see how that man was able to symbolically redeem all his guilt in such a timely manner.


I hope this helps. Feel free to raise more issues concerning this issue or any other issue.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Justcool, thanks ever so much for taking the time and trouble to respond to our issues and to share your very insightful perceptions. It is indeed a privilege to have come across your writings in this Forum.

1.) Going by your comments on Lucifer and his mission, one could surmise that Lucifer never in fact left the Divine Realm but only sent out his volition to the various planes as and when this was desired. Obviously, as a Being that could not exercise a Will of his own at that height, the Order to send out the Volition could only have come from the Godhead. Would this be a correct assumption? Can one credit any of the Archangels that we have heard spoken of (Oriel/Gabriel/Michael/Ezechiel/Rafael/Ariel/Ephraim) with having been mandated to help with the development of the human intellect? Do we know which of the Archangels was so mandated? Or is Lucifer himself simply a volition of an Archangel?

2.) What should be the advice to Seekers who wish to take the next step on the path, having come to recognition of the Word of Truth? Should this be simply to read the Message and do their utmost to apply it in their private lives? Or is it advantageous for them to be part of an organisation which affords exchange/sharing of perceptions as well as engaging in a co-ordinated activity geared towards the spread of the Message? Is there a role for the Mountain of Salvation in all this?

Thanks in advance of your response.

Thanks Justcool.

Next inquiry is from Scripture (Exodus);

So Moses chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the Lord had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands. 5 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the Lord. 6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.”
[i][/i]


I cannot quite figure out the last sentence in the context of the Message..........obviously to do with reciprocal action and homogeneous species.

This inquiry is from the Message------The First Step in Vol. I

If you could but once see how the immutable Justice of God’s All-Holy Will is always fulfilled in the self-acting Laws of this Creation for every single thought you harbor, you would strive with all your might to attain purity in your thinking!

Only then will you have become such human beings as the Creator in His Work will mercifully guide to the knowledge that bestows eternal life upon them, allowing them to become helpers in Creation worthy to receive the high blessings destined for the human spirit; so that these may be joyfully and gratefully transformed and passed on to those creatures who are only able to absorb them through such a transformation by man, and who today, through the decline of the human spirit, remain wantonly cut off from them, after it had already been possible for them to come into existence in times of a better and more purely swinging humanity[i][/i].

Had pls wanted to ask about the creatures mentioned above and about the transformed radiations that they depend on from human spirits . I presume that they are animistic beings

Hello Justcool,
It is now 5 WEEKS since we heard from you on this forum! That is way too long for someone like you to keep away as so many people look forward to your postings because of the deep insights you bring to every issue. Please find time to write a few words even if you do not have the time to address some of the questions posed by enquirers comprehensively as you always aim to do.
We miss you Justcool. May the Lord continue to grant you wisdom with which to guide your readers on this forum.
Is your book out yet? When can those of us in the UK expect to get hold of a copy?
Stay blessed!

@shinealight

shinealight: Justcool, thanks ever so much for taking the time and trouble to respond to our issues and to share your very insightful perceptions. It is indeed a privilege to have come across your writings in this Forum .

Thanks so much dear friend! It’s my privilege to dialogue with you on this forum. With your questions you give me a lot. To demand spiritually from another human being is the greatest gift you can give the individual; for by taking, pulling away, or attracting from the individual, you force him to draw more from above. This way, we keep the blood-flow of spiritual currents flowing as it’s mandated from by the Light.

Therefore never suppress your questions or concerns, I will always offer my perceptions; but sometimes my perceptions may come many weeks after your asked for it.

shinealight:
1.) Going by your comments on Lucifer and his mission, one could surmise that Lucifer never in fact left the Divine Realm but only sent out his volition to the various planes as and when this was desired. Obviously, as a Being that could not exercise a Will of his own at that height, the Order to send out the Volition could only have come from the Godhead. Would this be a correct assumption? Can one credit any of the Archangels that we have heard spoken of (Oriel/Gabriel/Michael/Ezechiel/Rafael/Ariel/Ephraim) with having been mandated to help with the development of the human intellect? Do we know which of the Archangels was so mandated? Or is Lucifer himself simply a volition of an Archangel?

Your assumption that Lucifer, being in the Divine sphere, could only send out his volition by an order from Godhead is very correct; since, before the fall of Lucifer, when he was still in the Divine plane, he could not have done anything of his own freewill which he naturally could not possess in such vicinity to God. Hence it was God that ordered Lucifer to send out his volition. Or one can equally say that it was God that sent Lucifer out to help creation.

In order not to leave any gap, I will explain exhaustively about the sending out of help from the Divine sphere. The expression fall of Lucifer explains a lot if we pay attention to it with our intuition. Here fall is literal, I.e. ‘descent from above,’ not ‘failure.’ It was the failure of Lucifer that caused his[b] fall[/b]. These are two different happenings which we often confuse as one, although they a linked we must separate them here in order to fallow the event minutely.
When a being or spirit above the spiritual plane is sent on a mission, this must not be taken to mean that the entire being or spirit leaves his plane of origin and journeys down. That’s not exactly how it happens, but we human spirits can only picture it that way because of our origin which is far away from God and which implies reduction of abilities.

The human spirit does not possess the ability to be two places at a time; or better said, to work consciously through different vessels at different locations the same time. The human spirit lacks this ability; the Primordial spiritual beings possess this ability, although in a lesser extent than Divine beings who, in turn, possess it in a lower extent that God Himself.

When it is said that Jesus, who is the love of God, was sent to the earth; one must not imagine it a human way. One must not think that it is like when a man is sent from one place to another. In the case of man, he must leave his location entirely and go to another location. When a man who lives in Enugu is sent to work in Lagos, he must leave Enugu entirely and go to Lagos; he cannot leave a part of him in Enugu while he is at Lagos. Neither can he be at Enugu and Lagos at the same time. But beings that originated above the Paradise of man carry this ability. Hence in the case of Jesus, He remained with God and never separated from God at such; Jesus, who is unsubstantiate, remains with the unsubstantiate God and never separated from Him. For God is and will forever remain one, hence indivisible! Only the volition of Jesus left the Divine unsubstantiate God and received a covering, a cloak, an anchorage or embodiment in the Divine substantiate sphere. From there this volition is radiated into creation or a part of this volition in the Divine substantiate plane enters creation and receives a primordial spiritual covering, cloak, an anchorage or embodiment in the Primordial spiritual sphere. The same process repeats itself until it gets to subsequent creation. At each major sphere or specie of creation, this volition receives embodiment. All these embodiments are held together with radiation and hence are one. While Jesus Himself, who is the unsubstantiate love of God remains with God. Hence while Jesus was on earth, He was also in the spiritual sphere, in the Divine sphere and in also Godhead above the Divine sphere. Hence the Jesus we encountered on earth was that link in the embodiments of of the volition of God. A volition God made out of love! Hence Jesus embodies and is the love of God.

Since Jesus is the love of God, it will be absurd to imagine that the entire love of the infinite Godhead can be incarnated or embodied in a physical body. Indeed the entire creation cannot carry the love of God. The entire creation cannot carry Jesus. Only an activity of this love was radiated into creation, or one can equally say that only a ray of the Love(Jesus) who is Light Himself was allowed to be embodied in creation. Even this single ray, being unsubstantiate is too powerful and cannot be directly be connected with the strongest species of creation, which is the Primordial spiritual species; hence this ray or volition has to first be embodied in the Divine substantiate sphere; and then from there radiate into creation or send a ray into creation to be embodied at the summit of creation. With each embodiment the power is reduced. Only after several embodiments was it able to receive a physical cloak.

As with Jesus, so with Imanuel who is the creative will or creative volition of God. One can say that Jesus is a volition that God made out of His love, hence Jesus is the love of God; while Imanuel is the volition that God made out of His creative will or out of His will to create, hence Imanuel is the creative Will of God. Just as you can make many volitions in a day, yet you remain one; God remains one and indivisible. When your child is about drown in a river, out of love a desire or volition arises in you to save the child; and you might stretch a helping hand towards the child. This action of yours is born out of love and can be regarded as a embodying your love! When you want create or build something, a volition arises in you and impels you to use your hands to build. This action of yours is born out of your spiritual creative will or volition and can be regarded an embodiment of your creative will. Hence one can metaphorically say that Jesus is the hand of love through which or with which God saved subsequent creation; while Imanuel is God’s creative hand with which or through which God created the entire creation. Just as the action that is born out of your creative will or talent is limited and thus finite while your talent as such is limitless, Jesus and Imanuel outside of God are both finite while God’s loving ability or God’s creative will within God Himself are limitless. Hence while Jesus of Nazareth (the finite volition of God’s love or the volition God made out of love to save subsequent creation) was on earth, Jesus(the limitless or infinite love of God or the infinite loving ability of God) was still in God. And while Imanuel the son of man (the finite volition of God’s creative will or the volition through which God created the entire creation) works in the Grail castle at the bother of the Divine substantiate plane, Imanuel ( the infinite creative ability, creative will, or creative talent of God) remains inside God as an integral part of Him. These volitions or embodiments outside of God remains connected through radiation with God from who they receive their power and sustenance; although carrying unsubstantaite cores, they are still dependent on God. Hence Jesus expressed, “My father is greater than I.”

But we must not consider the relationship between God and His two sons or His two volitions as the relationship between the human spirit and its volitions. I only used the human spirits ability to make volition to analogize albeit very roughly, God’s relationship with his volitions, Jesus and Imanuel. The human spirit’s volitions take on forms, just like God’s volition does; but the human spirit’s volition does not carry any spiritual substance or any part of the spirit of the human spirit. Man’s volitions only carry substantiate (animistic) core as their animating core; while God’s volitions carry[b] unsubstantiate [/b]cores, the very essence of God as their cores! Hence even Jesus, while on earth, carried Divinity unsubstantiate as His animating core! By the same token, Imanuel in the Divine substantiate sphere carries an unsubstantaite core, while His volition, Parsifal, outside the Divine sphere also carries Divine unsubstantiate core. Even Imanuel in the Primordial spiritual plane, whose birth into this plane Isaiah was allowed to see and report, also carries Divine unsubstantiate core.

It’s not difficult to understand why there is a great difference between our relationship with our volitions and God’s relationship with His volition. I.e. why God’s volitions carry the essence of God in their core while our volitions do not carry the essence or substance of our spirits. We only need to look around us, in our nearest surrounding to see a repetition of the same process; for every law or ability which manifests here in subsequent creation is only a course reflection of a law or ability that exists in primordial creation, and originating from God Himself. Look at animals and their volitions! The volitions of animals do not carry a living core! But the volition of human spirits carries living animistic substance as its core. Hence the volition of a man remains far stronger than that of an animal. Here we observe that the higher a being originates the stronger its volition is, and also the stronger the abilities of the being! By the same token, the volitions of the Primordial spiritual beings are far strong than that of human spirits. It is my perception that the volition of primordial spiritual beings carries spiritual substance as their core, but not Primordial spiritual substance, only the lowest degradation of the spiritual specie. This clears the puzzle why on how a primordial spiritual being does not have to leave his plane of origin when sent into subsequent creation. Only his volition, which being spiritual and carries real life and abilities, takes on forms and incarnates in subsequent creation; while the Primordial being itself remains in the Primordial spiritual plane. It is like being two places at the same time. Human spirits cannot achieve this, because the human spirits volitions carry no spirit within it but only animistic substance. As we ascend further upwards, we observe the same process. Hence the volitions of Divine substantiate beings are even stronger than the volitions of Primordial spiritual beings, and carry a gradation of Primordial spiritual substance as their core. And God as the highest and strongest, His volitions can carry Divine unsubstantiate core! Just as the volition of a human spirit can be stronger than an animal, the volition of the primordial spirits can be stronger than a human spirit, and the volition of a Divine being can be stronger than a Primordial spiritual being. The volition of God is stronger than any Divine substantiate being!

From the above, you can deduce that when a Divine substantiate being is sent to work in creation, he does not have to leave the Divine sphere and enter creation. These beings are even too big in size to fit into any vessel in creation. Lucifer, for example is larger than the entire earth in size! So is each of the four knowing animals at the steps of the throne of God, in the first plane of divine substantiate sphere. So when a Divine being is sent to work in creation, only his volition descends into creation, and takes on form in the Primordial spiritual plane. If he has to descend as far as subsequent creation, then out of that volition in the primordial spiritual sphere, another volition will descend into subsequent creation and take on form there. While the Divine being itself remains in the Divine sphere. One allegorically explain it by saying that a part of him descends, or a ray from him, or a part of his activity descends and takes on form in creation while the root remains in the Divine plane. Hence a Divine being cannot directly incarnate in subsequent creation or matter, this is impossible owing to difference in specie. The gap between Divine and matter is too much. The volition has to take on form in the next lower plane from the Divine sphere, which is Primordial plane and from there proceed further downwards, receiving an anchorage or an embodiment at each step of creation. It’s like stepping down electrical current from the power station before it can enter a household appliance. A direct connection from a power station to a household appliance would prove catastrophic because the household appliance cannot carry such high current and hence will explode. No physical or material body can directly carry the entire power that emanates from primordial spiritual being or Divine being.

Now back to Lucifer. Lucifer actually originated from the first ring or plane of the Divine sphere! When it is said that he was sent out to work in creation, this means that in accordance with the will of God, Lucifer’s volition was embodied in creation like I explained above. While Lucifer remained above creation, in the Divine sphere, he works in creation through this volition embodied in creation, i.e. in the Primordial spiritual plane. When subsequent creation (along with the human spirit germs) developed out of Primordial creation, out of Lucifer’s volition in Primordial spiritual plane, another volition took on form and descended into subsequent creation to aid the developing human spirits like I already explained to you. Only while working in matter, which is very different from his nature, and the nature of light, did the wrong principle arose in him, or out of his embodiment in subsequent creation. However, Lucifer or Lucifer’s volition never incarnated into coarsest gross matter or physical plane because this was not necessary as I already explained in an earlier post.

The embodiment of his volition in subsequent creation or in the world of matter only had to send suggestions or spiritual impressions to the developing human spirits in coarsest gross matter who at that point being very intuitive could easily pick up these impressions. It was while working in subsequent creation or in the world of matter that he introduced the wrong principle. Hence this principle came from his volition that was working or embodied in subsequent creation or world or matter. Being from on high and not used to failure, hesitation or weakness, he could not understand the human spirits developing from spirit germs for they are riddled with all sorts of weaknesses. He could not wait for the human spirits who were taking too long to mature, he could not wait to finish his job and detach from matter; in order to do his work faster, he devised means that were not in accordance with the will of God. The principle of temptation which makes perfect sense to the intellect but totally contrary to the love of God. It appears that while working with the intellect i.e. while helping the human spirits spiritualize their intellect, this embodiment of Lucifer sort intellectual means to achieve its task. Hence this embodiment of Lucifer in subsequent creation vibrated wrongly and caused a disturbance subsequent creation. Since this volition is connected to the embedment in the Primordial spiritual, and ultimately to Lucifer in the Divine, the disturbance was reciprocally or retroactively felt by the embodiment in the Primordial spiritual plane and through this embodiment, caused disturbance there. And also this disturbance reaches Lucifer in the Divine who could either let go of this volition or be thrown out of Divine because the current in the Divine is too strong for Lucifer to cause disturbance, hence he fell. Since his radiation connection with these wrongly vibrating volitions was taut and strong, Lucifer himself has to vibrate in the same resonance with his volitions, and since such wrong vibration is against the will of God, it clashed with the stronger vibration of the Divine sphere, the resultant is that Lucifer had to be thrown out of the Divine sphere. It is like a plant whose branch got caught in a moving car, is too strong that it cannot break, then entire tree will uprooted from the ground and pulled along by the moving car. Hence Lucifer cut himself off from the light. He literally fell off the Divine sphere. Being above creation, he couldn’t fall into creation, he fell outside, bellow, or under creation. Due to his origin he could sink far more than any creature in creation can. This is his fall which resulted from his failure, his failure to subjugate his volition in matter to swing in resonance with the will of God. It was the disturbance that his embedment in Primordial spiritual plane caused while it was still there that Elizabeth felt as an attack while when she entered primordial spiritual plane. Hence the angels fought this volition of Lucifer in the Primordial and drove him out. With this volition out of primordial creation, Lucifer lost all his connection to the vicinity of God. His power in the world of matter became very strong because the human spirits in matter offered him no resistance but rather empower him more through their worship of him and through giving in to his wrong principle.

The angels you mentioned are not working in connection with the human intellect. The catastrophe that the failure of Lucifer caused through the intellect was reserved to the son of man to correct. Only by the human spirits living in accordance with the will of God which is embodied in the son of man, will they be saved and rid themselves of the evil of Luciferian intellectual deceit.

Lucifer, himself is an archangel, as I already explained, he originated from the first ring of the Divine substantiate plane. Lucifer himself is not a volition of any archangel, for he is one of the strongest Divine archangels. The dragon described in revelation is a volition of Lucifer, or an embodiment of Lucifer’s volition. The Egyptian sun god, Re, is a volition of Lucifer or an embodiment of Lucifer’s volition. The archangels you mentioned all have their different activities in the Primordial spiritual planes. Rafael, for example works in the ray of Love. Michael swings in the rhythm of the Will of God, hence he works in the ray of Justice. Michael played a decisive role in chasing the dragon(the embodiment of Lucifer in Paradise) out of primodial creation. Michael is opposed to all that opposes the will of God.

I will treat your next question in my next post.

@shinalight

shinealight:
2.) What should be the advice to Seekers who wish to take the next step on the path, having come to recognition of the Word of Truth? Should this be simply to read the Message and do their utmost to apply it in their private lives? Or is it advantageous for them to be part of an organisation which affords exchange/sharing of perceptions as well as engaging in a co-ordinated activity geared towards the spread of the Message? Is there a role for the Mountain of Salvation in all this?

The utmost is to live in accord with the Grail message. The individual must make the Grail message the basses of his entire life, both in private and in public.

Organizations can be beneficial; they can also cause great harm. The individual must avoid all forms binding organizations. He must be careful not to be canopied by anybody or any organization, as much as he must avoid becoming dependent on any organization, or individual.

Individuals who form organizations for the bases of the Grail message must only deal with each other, in the organization, on the bases of the Grail message, on the basses of providing awareness for the Grail message or exchanging/ sharing perceptions. Each individual must maintain his God-given right of free-will. He owes nobody but God any obligations, be it moral or otherwise. Neither must he interfere into other’s private lives to demand or investigate morality. Picture the right organization as a group of people standing together and facing upwards, not perchance looking at each other. The problems with we humans is that whenever we get together, we start to focus our attention on members of the organization rather than the task at hand.

I will give an example: Mr. Z finds out than another, perhaps a leader, who others hold in high esteem, is having an affair with a woman he is not legally married to. Mr. Z takes it as his task to spread this knowledge and discredit his fellow man who he believes cannot be a servant of God. He forgets that in so doing he is acting against the laws of God in so many ways. First, he could not have obtained this information if he didn’t invade his neighbor’s privacy!! This is already a sin, for everybody has a right to privacy. His conclusion that this man cannot be servant of God because of his outward physical action is also a sin, because he only judges from the externals. The spiritual scenario may be entirely different! And even if the man was doing something wrong, perhaps it is part of his learning process. Even highly called ones make mistakes as they prepare for their task. I can go on and on to point out everything wrong with this kind of inversion of privacy, but what’s the point? Any intuitively perceptive human being can easily perceive that it can only be jealousy that makes people carry such rumors. If you come to tell me what my neighbor does behind closed doors, I will simply close my ears and walk away. My neighbor has a right to privacy. Information about people’s dealings, obtained without the consent of the people is like a stolen property! Whoever distributes it distributes stolen property, and whoever entertains or accepts it, buys stolen property!

We see things like this happen every day in various organizations and churches. It often happens that Mr. Z will rebel and form his own organization or church; and this is often the cause of so many denominations. However, one must not invade anybody’s privacy, and one must not judge the calling of a called one by what he did in private or his physical situation. One should intuitively pay attention to weigh and examine the words of the called one in regards to the truth. This is how to judge if a called one still stands in the light. If his words, when he is talking about the Grail message, deviates from the truth or is contrary to the Grail message then you must turn away from him, irrespective of his reputation or what people say about him. If one’s saying or words or actions regarding the organization, are in accord with the Truth, then hold him in high regard irrespective of what people claim he does in private or may have done in the past. If you work with your intuition, you can perceive how a man stands in regards to his calling. The early Christians in their simple and childlike intuitive perception did not disqualify Paul because he used to be a killer! The moment he started preaching, they perceived in their intuition that he was called, and they listened to him and disregarded his past actions. Even Peter who was with Jesus respected Paul and never doubted his calling! This is how it should be. Deal with the members of any organization you belong only in regards to the Grail Message; the organization should formed around the Grail message not around individuals! If the Grail message is not the basses of any actions of the organization, then stay away. Any organization that claims to be formed around the Grail message must put the word of the Truth alone on the pedestal. Otherwise such organization becomes a church or a social gathering.

Hence anybody who acts contrary to the Grail message in the issues of the organization you must avoid; if the entire organization acts contrary to the Grail message, avoid such organization. Irrespective of what they do in their private lives, if their actions in regards to the organization are righteous, that's all that should matter to you. What he does in private is between him and his God, you have no say there! Your focus should be upwards to God. It is not wrong to join an organization whose purpose is to create awareness of the Grail Message, provide places of worship, give public lectures and conduct peaceful exchanges of perceptions. Any member of the group that does not interfere with implementing these purposes in a manner according to the will of God, you can work with. But only that bases alone.

And I use the word 'member' very loosely, and not in a binding way. Membership should be out the question because the writer of the Grail message did not intend to found a church or a sect; the Grail message it directed to the individual human being irrespective or his race, nationality, or creed. Hence any organization that we humans form around it must not be binding in any way; it must respect the individuality of everybody. Hence rather than seeing themselves as members of an organization, they should see themselves as individuals who come together to work together towards their goals. And these goals are creating awareness of the Grail Message, providing places for joint worship of God, conducting peaceful exchanges of experiences and perceptions. In all these activities, the individual's individuality must never be violated.

It is my perception that the mountain of salvation plays a very important role in the establishment of the kingdom of God on earth. The mountain has been reserved for ages for the anchoring of Light. Here human volition has very little or no say; for even if the entire mankind fails, the mountain will still stand as a place of light anchorage. Luminous servants of God watch over it and will remove any disturbing element from it. This is why the Nazi and the allied forces occupation of the mountain did not last long. All that is disturbing will either voluntarily detach itself from the mountain or be forcefully removed by the non-physical and luminous servants or God that watch over it.

shinealight:
Thanks in advance of your response.

All I wrote above are my perceptions; however, don’t take my words as gospel Truth. Weigh and examine my words with your intuitive perception and where they do not resonate with your intuition or where they do not accord with the Grail Message, disregard them.
Thanks and remain blessed.

@speer

Please bear with me. I will treat your questions as soon as time permits me.

Thanks and remain blessed

shinealight: Hello Justcool,
It is now 5 WEEKS since we heard from you on this forum! That is way too long for someone like you to keep away as so many people look forward to your postings because of the deep insights you bring to every issue. Please find time to write a few words even if you do not have the time to address some of the questions posed by enquirers comprehensively as you always aim to do.
We miss you Justcool. May the Lord continue to grant you wisdom with which to guide your readers on this forum.
Is your book out yet? When can those of us in the UK expect to get hold of a copy?
Stay blessed!

@Shinealight
Now that I've shared my perceptions on your questions, let me briefing explain why I have been a way. Many issues kept me away:

First, the question you raised in regards to the mountain of salvation is so deep that I had to take time and seek clarification, i.e. to be sure that it right for me to pass on my perception on it. My perception on the issue of the mountain of salvation is very personal, I was reluctant to share it; but at the moment I believe it’s I’m allowed to share it. So I have taken time to answer that question.

Secondly, I’ve been very busy working on my book which, tentatively, will be ready be available by next month. Here is the link to the Facebook page I created for the book:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Guardian-of-the-Crown/425994407493069
Once the book is available I will post a link to the website from where you can obtain the book, on the Facebook page

Thanks so much for your prayers. The reciprocal effect of your good wishes for me will definitely enrich you greatly.

Feel free to raise any concerns or questions you might have about my explanations above.

Thanks and remain blessed.

shinealight: Hello Justcool,
It is now 5 WEEKS since we heard from you on this forum! That is way too long for someone like you to keep away as so many people look forward to your postings because of the deep insights you bring to every issue. Please find time to write a few words even if you do not have the time to address some of the questions posed by enquirers comprehensively as you always aim to do.
We miss you Justcool. May the Lord continue to grant you wisdom with which to guide your readers on this forum.
Is your book out yet? When can those of us in the UK expect to get hold of a copy?
Stay blessed!

I wholeheartedly, completely, totally and utterly agree with every syllable in this quote. Justcool, I miss you too. But glad all is well with you. Please let us know when the book is out, I will certainly be buying a copy. Godbless!

@speer

Please bear with me. I will treat your questions as soon as time permits me.

Thanks and remain blessed


Thanks so very much for the explanations above in response to shinealight.

Much earlier, I had asked if an ascending spirit passes through the animistic sphere and found the answer in the chapter titled Spirit-germs in Vol. III.

Peace

@ Justcool

Hello Justcool. You will not believe how elated I was to see that you had found time to respond to the questions I posted a couple of months ago. Many thanks for taking the time from your busy schedule. Just as you did last Dec / Jan, I had also been away in Nigeria for about three weeks during which I did not have access to internet services - they kept saying no network, no network in my area. However, I had a hunch that the reply would be waiting for me and Bingo, I came back Tuesday 30th to find it. Your efforts are most appreciated!

On the issue of the Mountain of Salvation, it is good that you decided to share your perceptions on it. I must say I share your views totally on the subject and I agree with everything you said including the example you used to illustrate the point. Crossbearers who read your post cannot fail to grasp the full import of your comments! As you know, only that which we have experienced personally are we able to defend from deep within us. Some amongst us have read the Grail Message but have not experienced it, hence such people cannot defend the Grail Message out of their owm personal conviction. Similarly, he who has truly experienced the Mountain of Salvation will always strive to defend, protect and support it as well as seek to maintain a connection with it (albeit inwardly) while in the earthly cloak. One hopes that those amongst us who have a different perception may yet have a re-think as so many have been doing lately!

On the subject of Lucifer, I am still digesting and reflecting on all that's been said. There are also some perceptions which I have on good authority (i.e. from a source that I consider sacrosanct, though not infallible) which I would like to run past you at a later date. However there is no substantial deviation from the perspective you have already shared but perhaps a slight expansion of view. This I would like to bring up later if I may. I'm still trying to recover from the overnight flight!
Regards and stay blessed.

Hello Shinealight,

Had please wanted to request if you could further elucidate on the Mountain of Salvation----for the benefit of those who are not Cross-bearers and/or do not have access to a Grail Circle. I can infer that it refers to a mountain at the Vomperberg settlement.

Thanks

@Speer

Hello and thanks for your question. There is so much I can tell you from my 'experiencing' about the Mountain in Vomperberg but it may not do you or anyone else much good since the experiencing has not been yours. I hope you understand what I mean. So, I have to remain quite objective in what I say about it so as not to deny you the joy of coming to your own recognition through personal experiencing.

The place that is referred to as the Mountain of Salvation is located in Vomperberg, Austria and this was where Abd-ru-shin together with Maria and Irmingard (the Trigon) lived during the years 1928 to 1938. During the years 1923 to 1937, all the lectures that together resulted in the Work: 'In the Light of Truth - the Grail Message' by Abd-ru-shin came into being. Hence the bulk of the Work was received and written by Abd-ru-shin while living at this location. After his passing in 1941, his earthly cloak was transferred to the Mountain and is currently buried there in a vault beneath a Pyramid.

On the Mountain in Vomperberg there is a Temple where Sunday Hours of Worship as well as Grail Festivals are held three times a year (May, September and December) for Crossbearers who wish to participate. Non-crossbearers can visit the Mountain and tour its grounds if they so wish. Readers of the Grail Message (on the recommendation of a Crossbearer) can also be permitted to participate in a Seeker's Hour of Worship in the Temple if s/he so requests.
There are Grail Circles in many cities of the world where Representatives of the Mountain are always at hand to guide interested persons on how to link up with the Mountain in order to realise whatever may be the individual's desire.

Why is it the Mountain of Salvation? That is the recognition that each individual has to come to by himself as it has to be borne out of inner/personal experiencing and conviction.

From your exchange with Justcool I know you are reading the Grail Message, so I can only wish you continued strength!
Regards and stay blessed.

shinealight: Justcool

2.) What should be the advice to Seekers who wish to take the next step on the path, having come to recognition of the Word of Truth? Should this be simply to read the Message and do their utmost to apply it in their private lives? Or is it advantageous for them to be part of an organisation which affords exchange/sharing of perceptions as well as engaging in a co-ordinated activity geared towards the spread of the Message? Is there a role for the Mountain of Salvation in all this?

The above question was directed to Justcool but permit me to offer my own perception on them. Movements, societies or groups formed around the Grail Message are not a requirement for living in the sense of the laws of GOD. He or she who have come to personal recognition of the Truth and lives accordingly already have in his hands the keys to the luminous kingdom of GOD.

Just popped in to say hi to the ever-present, seldom posting M_Nwankwo.. Happy new year Sir...

shinealight: Justcool

2.) What should be the advice to Seekers who wish to take the next step on the path, having come to recognition of the Word of Truth? Should this be simply to read the Message and do their utmost to apply it in their private lives? Or is it advantageous for them to be part of an organisation which affords exchange/sharing of perceptions as well as engaging in a co-ordinated activity geared towards the spread of the Message? Is there a role for the Mountain of Salvation in all this?

The above question was directed to Justcool but permit me to offer my own perception on them. Movements, societies or groups formed around the Grail Message are not a requirement for living in the sense of the laws of GOD. I will even go further to say that it is not the will of GOD for human beings to form movements, churches, societies around the truth or the truth bringer. The will of GOD is for human beings to inwardly absorb the truth and live accordingly. He or she who have come to personal recognition of the Truth and lives accordingly already have in his hands the keys to the luminous kingdom of GOD. In his or her experiencing he or she will be guided to events, circumstances, human beings, invisible servants of GOD, etc that will deepen his recognition and lovingly guide him to the luminous kingdom of GOD. In the luminous kingdom of GOD, there are only beings or creatures that swing in the will of GOD. You will not find any church or movement in the kingdom of GOD and that also includes the various forms of the Grail Movement. There is nothing wrong (in principle) from coming together to inform other human beings about the Grail Message but without exception, the man of today have the propensity of turning any grain of Truth into a religion. Thus although the initial volition of those who formed the various movements around the Grail Message was to spread the Grail Message, it did not take long for personal ideas to take foothold and turn the various "Grail" sects into religions. My own perception is that not even one of the various movements formed around the Grail Message are accordingly to the will of GOD. All of them will disintegrate from within. Does it mean that one who lives in the sense of the Truth should have nothing to do with individuals that belong to these various movements with regard to spread of the message, hours of worship or even Grail festivals? The answer is to follow your intuition for their are still some individuals in these various movements that still stand in the light of Truth and remain faithful to there spiritual calling amidst the decaying organizational structures that surround. If one stands in the Truth, one can easily be led to those individuals or in some cases called ones or servants of GOD that are no longer in physical bodies. Thus a genuine seeker who needs to absorb a Grail act for his continual spiritual development will be led to called ones who have been blessed with the ability to perform such an act. Such a called one may or may not be affiliated with the various movements formed around the Grail Message. The omniscience of GOD ensures that he who is spiritually qualified to receive a Grail act will receive it whether or not he has an earthly affiliation with any of the various movements. There are people presently (not just in past eras) who bear the cross of truth in their foreheads and yet these individuals have never stepped into an earthly Grail temple or hall of worship. I am sure you can easily surmise how that is possible.

Now to the issue of called ones. He who stands in the light of Truth has the sacred duty to only live in the sense of the laws of God in all his being. He or she should live according to the laws of GOD in all his activities, visible as well as invisible, private as well as public. This is even more so for called ones because they are specially blessed and must be a shining example on what it means to be a genuine servant of GOD. Whatever we do in private will finally come out to the public for the laws of GOD will compel us to show our true selves. Thus a called one that lives an inwardly impure lives will sooner expose himself because the laws of GOD will compel him to do so. No person should invade the privacy of others either through gossip or slander but on no account should the weaknesses of any of us including a called one be glossed over. A called one (or any creature) that secretly or openly contravenes the commandment of GOD will sooner rather than later fall out of sync with the power of GOD for his sinful activities dims the connection with the LIGHT and finally makes it impossible. Because, he has lost the connection to the light or the connection is no more strong, his spiritual perception also narrows and so is his interpretation of the truth in the Grail Message. If a called one or any of us loves GOD, then we have to live according to the commandments of GOD or else we become hypocrites or evil doers. One cannot be a genuine servant of GOD when one constantly disregards the laws of GOD.

As per the mountain of salvation, I agree with Justcool. However, I am of the view that it does not lie with the present or former occupants of the mountain to dictate how the mountain is to serve as an anchorage of the Light. The living will of GOD will reveal such when the time is ripe. Stay blessed.

musKeeto: Just popped in to say hi to the ever-present, seldom posting M_Nwankwo.. Happy new year Sir...

Hahahhaahhaa muskeeto. What a coincidence. It seems you posted when I was typing a post on this thread. Thanks for your kind thoughts. I will love to post more but I only post when I feel the inner urge to do so. Stay blessed.