Kay 17: I don't like the manner Islam divides humanity into the believers and the disbelievers (infidel). It exploits differences. Why should a father be responsible for the salvation of his children, when both have different minds??

bashy_demy: This topic concern me so much.. I am a Muslim got marry to a christian but she never want to embrace my faith. I have try so much things don't work out fine. My wife and kids are in Nigeria, I reside in a neighboring country, I do come home often but never been a happy man when ever i see my wife taking my children to church every Sunday morning. I plan to change there school to an Islamic school and also find a private Arabic teacher for them but my wife never agree with me on that and we have been having misunderstanding over this same issue and am in the process of taking another wife. an advice is needed here please.

N.B.. She has been asking me to take her to registry which i haven't for years cos my parents are against this too i think cos of the religion issue.

informatix: I am a Muslim from Core North. i Believe in inter Religious Marriage when the children Grow tell them the message of Allah is Up to them. i will Marry From Christ and i will have no Problem with my Children Going to Church coz. I never have sentiment i Stronly Believe in Freedom of Religion as Basis of Our Existance. I have no problem with Church or Mosque Goers at all. Be it my wife or Children. I Rest my Case.

UK Bobo: In Sierra Leone, couples marry peacefully across religious denominations - however I think like most things in Nigeria, (from weddings, elections to football teams)it is a 'do or die' affair so myopia, intolerance and stubborness reign.

ivoice247:

I agree with you but not totally. Firstly, we'll have to categorise non-muslims into 2 categories;- (i)Mushrikun (i.e. unbelievers and atheists),(ii) people of the scripture (i.e. christians and jews, who are called kufars or disbelievers).

The non-muslims who are Mushrikun are totally forbidden for muslims to marry, as allah stated in the glorious quran [ch2 v221]:-

And do not marry Al-Mushrikat (idolatresses, unbelievers etc.) till they believe. And indeed a slave woman who believes is better than a (free) Mushrikah (idolatress, etc), even though she pleases you. And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al-Mushrikun till they believe, and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater etc), even though he pleases you. Those (Al-Mushrikun) invite you to the Fire, but Allah invites (you) to Paradise and Forgiveness by His Leave, and makes His Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to mankind that they may remember.

Now, the other non-muslims (i.e. christians & jews )called kufars or disbelievers, cannot marry muslim women, but the muslim men can marry them. That is, a christian man cannot marry a muslim lady but a muslim man can marry a christian lady. As Allah states in the glorious quran [ch5 v5]:-

Made lawful to you this day are At-Tayyibat (lawful) foods, which Allah has made lawful. The food of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money), desiring chastity not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girl-friends. And whosoever disbelieves in Faith, then fruitless is his work; and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.

LagosShia:


you are an irresponsible man.freedom of religion is fine in allowing your wife go astray.but it is absolutely wrong by you neglecting your role as a father and head of the house and not guiding your children properly.apparently,being from the core-north is no ticket to guidance or sanity in life matters.

Kay 17:
IF Islam is the way of Truth and Reason, why is there the need to indoctrinate them?? They would find the way to light through knowledge, wouldn't they?

buzugee: 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you, and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty

cgift: I Cor. 7 : 12 - 16 says:

12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

LagosShia:

LagosShia:

it is the fear that men have the ability to be as stupid as you are or that men like you will mislead them.

joanana: It is wrong n any marriage dat practice this is doomed to fail oooo. However, a woman does noy have a chur h or a place of worship until shes married. Whatever church ur hubby attends thats where you wil go. He is the man of the house n the head of the house.

bashy_demy: This topic concern me so much.. I am a Muslim got marry to a christian but she never want to embrace my faith. I have try so much things don't work out fine. My wife and kids are in Nigeria, I reside in a neighboring country, I do come home often but never been a happy man when ever i see my wife taking my children to church every Sunday morning. I plan to change there school to an Islamic school and also find a private Arabic teacher for them but my wife never agree with me on that and we have been having misunderstanding over this same issue and am in the process of taking another wife. an advice is needed here please.

N.B.. She has been asking me to take her to registry which i haven't for years cos my parents are against this too i think cos of the religion issue.

bashy_demy: This topic concern me so much.. I am a Muslim got marry to a christian but she never want to embrace my faith. I have try so much things don't work out fine. My wife and kids are in Nigeria, I reside in a neighboring country, I do come home often but never been a happy man when ever i see my wife taking my children to church every Sunday morning. I plan to change there school to an Islamic school and also find a private Arabic teacher for them but my wife never agree with me on that and we have been having misunderstanding over this same issue and am in the process of taking another wife. an advice is needed here please.

N.B.. She has been asking me to take her to registry which i haven't for years cos my parents are against this too i think cos of the religion issue.

tomzman:
I would join sweetnecta to scold you on this one.
Didn't you know she was a christian before you married her.You muslims like trouble.You knew things like this would eventually happen but you still went ahead to marry her.That shows you must have seen something different in her.A man who decides to put his hand inside fire just because it is a blue one should not complain of pain after the fire burns him.Are there no better, more beautiful muslim ladies around.You chose to marry lady of another faith yet you still come online to condemn the same faith.Does that make any sense? You muslims make me laugh? The same also goes for your wife.I wonder what type of 'christian' ladies we have these days.The Bible is there as a guide but most of them don't obey it.Additionally, we have the Holy Spirit who keeps warning us when we want to go astray but some of us would not listen.A christian marrying a muslim, what for? Me, marry a muslim! God forbiiiiiiiiid!!!

Sweetnecta: @Bashy_damy: You can see from your wife's refusal to let your children go to Islamic school and have a private islamic teacher while she is every sunday happy to take them to church that religion of christianity is important to her, and your Islam is unimportant to her, while she can't be a mother with you.

Allah says call the children by their father's name. If you are the father, you have at least a degree greater ownership right over the children than your wife has. You are also a degree higher authority than your wife's authority in the house. Your wife's authority is under your authority; a larger umbrella of authority.

You need to grow spine, mehn and many advised you to stop her from taking your children to churches, sometimes in the past; if you had not allowed her to start at all, there would not have been this much heartache in your life right now. If you had taken the advise of the NL muslims when you first raised it, the heartache will be almost gone by now either because there is a divorce long time which you have bounced out of, or she has followed your instruction; even herself leaving christianity, instead of making your children believing a man, a ghost and a father are all 1 God, instead of a make up 3 gods; one of them being tortured and later killed, today being the 'anniversary' of such a fantasy of fantastically horrible death.

How you african muslims living in africa turn to christian women for wives instead of potty training them first, if you have to reject Islamic women who if not in hijab and kimar already, but at least do not take gods with God as Lord. Your degree of pains and efforts will not be this intense; the children and even her will not be going to church, for such.

Prophet Ibrahim told Prophet Ismail [as] to divorce his wife in prophetic manner. Allah then replace her with a better woman. For me, muslim woman has right over me than any other class/grade of women.

If a woman wants me she has to want all that is good that I want; i do not want a cross staring at me on the body of my lover. I do hope that where ever, I end up, Paradise, God Willing, my wife/wives shall end up there with me. Amin.


@Informatix: Islam is not core north. Islam is obedience to Allah and following His Messenger [as]. If you love your christian wife so much as not to care what way of worship your children ends up or not even worship, why not marry any woman; idolater, christian, jew, over muslim and why are you in Islam, if should not be important to your children? Your case is like the case of many arab youth who end up schooling in western countries and knowingly consume pork, intentionally and openly drink alcohol and indulge in fornication with whoever brings it on, to the amazement of so many of us african muslims. No wonder some american muslim reverts greeted arab muslims saying 'salaamualaykum yaa kafirun", because the practice kafarah; covering up the truth.


And to those who think religion is not important: I wonder what is more important than what is Important to God?

And to those who think God is not Important: I wonder what is making you getting closer to your end, while if you control your affairs, you will use your power of control to not age any longer and avoid the inevitable: death?

Sweetnecta: @Bashy_damy: You can see from your wife's refusal to let your children go to Islamic school and have a private islamic teacher while she is every sunday happy to take them to church that religion of christianity is important to her, and your Islam is unimportant to her, while she can't be a mother with you.

Allah says call the children by their father's name. If you are the father, you have at least a degree greater ownership right over the children than your wife has. You are also a degree higher authority than your wife's authority in the house. Your wife's authority is under your authority; a larger umbrella of authority.

You need to grow spine, mehn and many advised you to stop her from taking your children to churches, sometimes in the past; if you had not allowed her to start at all, there would not have been this much heartache in your life right now. If you had taken the advise of the NL muslims when you first raised it, the heartache will be almost gone by now either because there is a divorce long time which you have bounced out of, or she has followed your instruction; even herself leaving christianity, instead of making your children believing a man, a ghost and a father are all 1 God, instead of a make up 3 gods; one of them being tortured and later killed, today being the 'anniversary' of such a fantasy of fantastically horrible death.

How you african muslims living in africa turn to christian women for wives instead of potty training them first, if you have to reject Islamic women who if not in hijab and kimar already, but at least do not take gods with God as Lord. Your degree of pains and efforts will not be this intense; the children and even her will not be going to church, for such.

Prophet Ibrahim told Prophet Ismail [as] to divorce his wife in prophetic manner. Allah then replace her with a better woman. For me, muslim woman has right over me than any other class/grade of women.

If a woman wants me she has to want all that is good that I want; i do not want a cross staring at me on the body of my lover. I do hope that where ever, I end up, Paradise, God Willing, my wife/wives shall end up there with me. Amin.


@Informatix: Islam is not core north. Islam is obedience to Allah and following His Messenger [as]. If you love your christian wife so much as not to care what way of worship your children ends up or not even worship, why not marry any woman; idolater, christian, jew, over muslim and why are you in Islam, if should not be important to your children? Your case is like the case of many arab youth who end up schooling in western countries and knowingly consume pork, intentionally and openly drink alcohol and indulge in fornication with whoever brings it on, to the amazement of so many of us african muslims. No wonder some american muslim reverts greeted arab muslims saying 'salaamualaykum yaa kafirun", because the practice kafarah; covering up the truth.


And to those who think religion is not important: I wonder what is more important than what is Important to God?

And to those who think God is not Important: I wonder what is making you getting closer to your end, while if you control your affairs, you will use your power of control to not age any longer and avoid the inevitable: death?

Sweetnecta: @Bashy_damy: You can see from your wife's refusal to let your children go to Islamic school and have a private islamic teacher while she is every sunday happy to take them to church that religion of christianity is important to her, and your Islam is unimportant to her, while she can't be a mother with you.

Allah says call the children by their father's name. If you are the father, you have at least a degree greater ownership right over the children than your wife has. You are also a degree higher authority than your wife's authority in the house. Your wife's authority is under your authority; a larger umbrella of authority.

You need to grow spine, mehn and many advised you to stop her from taking your children to churches, sometimes in the past; if you had not allowed her to start at all, there would not have been this much heartache in your life right now. If you had taken the advise of the NL muslims when you first raised it, the heartache will be almost gone by now either because there is a divorce long time which you have bounced out of, or she has followed your instruction; even herself leaving christianity, instead of making your children believing a man, a ghost and a father are all 1 God, instead of a make up 3 gods; one of them being tortured and later killed, today being the 'anniversary' of such a fantasy of fantastically horrible death.

How you african muslims living in africa turn to christian women for wives instead of potty training them first, if you have to reject Islamic women who if not in hijab and kimar already, but at least do not take gods with God as Lord. Your degree of pains and efforts will not be this intense; the children and even her will not be going to church, for such.

Prophet Ibrahim told Prophet Ismail [as] to divorce his wife in prophetic manner. Allah then replace her with a better woman. For me, muslim woman has right over me than any other class/grade of women.

If a woman wants me she has to want all that is good that I want; i do not want a cross staring at me on the body of my lover. I do hope that where ever, I end up, Paradise, God Willing, my wife/wives shall end up there with me. Amin.


@Informatix: Islam is not core north. Islam is obedience to Allah and following His Messenger [as]. If you love your christian wife so much as not to care what way of worship your children ends up or not even worship, why not marry any woman; idolater, christian, jew, over muslim and why are you in Islam, if should not be important to your children? Your case is like the case of many arab youth who end up schooling in western countries and knowingly consume pork, intentionally and openly drink alcohol and indulge in fornication with whoever brings it on, to the amazement of so many of us african muslims. No wonder some american muslim reverts greeted arab muslims saying 'salaamualaykum yaa kafirun", because the practice kafarah; covering up the truth.


And to those who think religion is not important: I wonder what is more important than what is Important to God?

And to those who think God is not Important: I wonder what is making you getting closer to your end, while if you control your affairs, you will use your power of control to not age any longer and avoid the inevitable: death?

informatix: anyway Allah say i can Marry from Christadom. I am waiting for you to tell me i can't. Check the previous Post you will see Quran Posts that say it. And NO Muslim in Nigeria will say he doesnt have a relative Marrying from Christ. We Believe in jesus But as messenger of God.

LagosShia:

if she likes,i think she can feel free to go to church.but she should not take the children with her.at least you should have agreed before marrying her that your children will practice islam,go to mosque (no church),have muslim names only,and attend muslim schools or at most non-religious schools.

if you are thinking of taking up another wife,that is good for her.but please dont abandon your children to her.make sure before you take up another wife,your children are not with her.take the children to wherever you are or let your muslim family members train them.if you take up another wife and your children are with her,she will not only succeed in sending your children to church, she will also succeed in manipulating them against you.she will make sure they hate you and your religion because you took up another wife and "abandoned" them (as she will mislead them to believe).

try to convince her that if she wants to be your wife and remain christian,christianity should not be practiced in your house and the children are muslims.she can be going to her church.that is her destiny she is following.