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Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 5:42pm On Apr 21, 2012
The biblical God;

-only talked to people in the middle east, especially Jews while man has created the internet and mobile phones to communicate with anyone, anywhere
-took 40 days to destroy the world with flooding while modern man can destroy the whole world in hours with nuclear bombs/WMDs
-has ten commandments written on stone while man has thousands of laws written on paper, on the internet, on computers, mobile phones etc
-claims to have created the world without scientific evidence while man/manufactures have logos or signatures on their creations
-only managed to impregnate one virgin (Mary) while man, through artificial insemination, can make not only thousands of virgins pregnant but also lesbians as well.

The deist/agnostic God;
-creates life and hides behind unknown cosmology without taking credit for his creation while man/manufacturers provide warranties for their creations/products with pride
-watches his creation with indifference like a peeping tom while man/manufacturers monitor and get feedback or sometimes recall their products.
-creates imperfect world, doesnt give a sh!t about errors while man/manufacturers recall factory errors after feedback
-creates some planets for no damn reason while man/manufacturers create products for a reason




Any questions?
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by Nobody: 6:01pm On Apr 21, 2012
What about Kabezya Mpungu. He made himself invicible and unavailable on purpose, so mankind could yearn and search for him. Isn't that just great?
Probably one of the more interesting creation stories I've come across.

Kabezya Mpungu, the highest god, had created the sky and the earth and two human beings, a man and a woman endowed with Reason. However, these two human beings did not, as yet, possess Mutima, or Heart.
Kabezya-Mpungu had four children, the Sun, the Moon, Darkness, and Rain. He called them all together and said to them, "I want to withdraw now, so that Man can no longer see me. I will send down Mutima in my place. But before I take my leave I want to know what you, Rain, are going to do."
"Oh," replied Rain, "I think I will pou down without cease and put everything under water."
"No," answered the god. "Don't do that. Look at these two." And he pointed to the man and the woman. "Do you think they can live under water? You'd better take turns with the Sun. After you have sufficiently watered the earth, let the Sun go to work and dry it."
The god turned then to the Sun. "And how are you going to conduct yourself?" he asked.
"I intend to shine hotly and burn everything under me," said his second child.
"No," replied Kabezya-Mpungu. "That cannot be. How do you expect the people whom I created to get food? When you have warmed the earth for a while, give Rain a chance to refresh it and make the fruit grow."
"And you, Darkness, what are your plans?"
"I intend to rule forever!" was the answer.
"Have pity!" cried the god. "Do you want to condemn my creatures, the lions and the tigers and the serpents, to see nothing of the world I made? Listen to me. Give the Moon time to shine on the earth, and when you see the Moon in its last quarter, you may again rule. But I have lingered too long. Now I must go." And he disappeared.
Somewhat later, Mutima, Heart, came along, in a small container no bigger than a hand. Heart was crying, and asked Sun, Moon, Darkness, and Rain, "Where is Kabezya-Mpungu, our father?"
"Father is gone," they said, "and we do not know where."
"Oh how great is my desire," said Heart, "to commune with him. But since I cannot find him I will enter into Man, and through him I will seek God from generation to generation."
And that is what happened. Ever since, all children born of Man contain Mutima, a longing for God.


http://joaoja.deviantart.com/art/Kabezya-Mpungu-The-Baluba-creation-myth-287698777

..I don't want that humans will see me any more. I return into myself and send Mutima...Then Kabeza-Mpungu disappeared. Thereafter, the heart appeared, in a small, hand-sized vessel. The heart cried and turned towards Sun, Moon, Darkness and Rain: "Kabezya-Mpungu, our father, where is he!" "Father is gone, we don't know the way he went". "Oh how much I am longing to see him" the heart replied, "to talk to him. Since I cannot find him, I will enter into this man. So I will wander from generation to generation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baluba_mythology
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by rastamouse: 6:04pm On Apr 21, 2012
logicboy: The biblical God;

-only talked to people in the middle east, especially Jews while man has created the internet and mobile phones to communicate with anyone, anywhere
-took 40 days to destroy the world with flooding while modern man can destroy the whole world in hours with nuclear bombs/WMDs
-has ten commandments written on stone while man has thousands of laws written on paper, on the internet, on computers, mobile phones etc
-claims to have created the world without scientific evidence while man/manufactures have logos or signatures on their creations
-only managed to impregnate one virgin (Mary) while man, through artificial insemination, can make not only thousands of virgins pregnant but also lesbians as well.

The deist/agnostic God;
-creates life and hides behind unknown cosmology without taking credit for his creation while man/manufacturers provide warranties for their creations/products with pride
-watches his creation with indifference like a peeping tom while man/manufacturers monitor and get feedback or sometimes recall their products.
-creates imperfect world, doesnt give a sh!t about errors while man/manufacturers recall factory errors after feedback
-creates some planets for no damn reason while man/manufacturers create products for a reason




Any questions?


From your analogy, man seems to be perfect. You will agree then that whoever created man is did a great job right?
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 6:06pm On Apr 21, 2012
Martian: What about Kabezya Mpungu. He made himself invicible and unavailable on purpose, so mankind could yearn and search for him. Isn't that just great?
Probably one of the more interesting creation stories I've come across.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baluba_mythology

Great story. However, it sill a mythology

Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 6:08pm On Apr 21, 2012
rastamouse:

From your analogy, man seems to be perfect. You will agree then that whoever created man is did a great job right?

No, man is not perfect, not even in my analogy. Man should be able to destroy earth instantly if they were perfect.

Try again
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by rastamouse: 6:14pm On Apr 21, 2012
logicboy:

No, man is not perfect, not even in my analogy. Man should be able to destroy earth instantly if they were perfect.

Try again


Perfect or not perfect, your analogy seems to suggest that man is great right?
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 6:16pm On Apr 21, 2012
rastamouse:

Perfect or not perfect, your analogy seems to suggest that man is great right?

Yes
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by Emylexray(m): 6:16pm On Apr 21, 2012
logicboy: The biblical God;

-only talked to people in the middle east, especially Jews while man has created the internet and mobile phones to communicate with anyone, anywhere
-took 40 days to destroy the world with flooding while modern man can destroy the whole world in hours with nuclear bombs/WMDs
-has ten commandments written on stone while man has thousands of laws written on paper, on the internet, on computers, mobile phones etc
-claims to have created the world without scientific evidence while man/manufactures have logos or signatures on their creations
-only managed to impregnate one virgin (Mary) while man, through artificial insemination, can make not only thousands of virgins pregnant but also lesbians as well.

The deist/agnostic God;
-creates life and hides behind unknown cosmology without taking credit for his creation while man/manufacturers provide warranties for their creations/products with pride
-watches his creation with indifference like a peeping tom while man/manufacturers monitor and get feedback or sometimes recall their products.
-creates imperfect world, doesnt give a sh!t about errors while man/manufacturers recall factory errors after feedback
-creates some planets for no damn reason while man/manufacturers create products for a reason




Any questions?

YOU NEED AN ENCOUNTER WITH JESUS CHRIST JUST LIKE SAUL. I PRAY HE REVEALS HIMSELF TO YOU. Smh.
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 6:17pm On Apr 21, 2012
Emylexray:
YOU NEED AN ENCOUNTER WITH JESUS CHRIST JUST LIKE SAUL. I PRAY HE REVEALS HIMSELF TO YOU. Smh.

YOU NEED AN ENCOUNTER WITH REALITY! GOD DOES NOT EXIST.
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by rastamouse: 6:20pm On Apr 21, 2012
logicboy:

Yes

If that is the case then why do you come here and make these dumb claims here. If GOD created man, which creation of man are you thus going to compare to that?
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 6:25pm On Apr 21, 2012
rastamouse:

If that is the case then why do you come here and make these dumb claims here. If GOD created man, which creation of man are you thus going to compare to that?

The student becomes the master.

Your God claims to have created the earth with no proof. Man is more sensible to put his mark or logo on things he creates.

God might have created man (with no proof) but man has made the best version of man. Moses teeth is not as white as mine due to dentistry.
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by Nobody: 6:26pm On Apr 21, 2012
logicboy:
Great story. However, it sill a mythology

I know it's myth, I just think they have the most interesting idea about god. While everyone who believes in god always bend over backwards to explain the lack of evidence, they acknowledge that their god is purposely hidden
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by Nobody: 6:26pm On Apr 21, 2012
God doesn't exist, yet you've made countless posts and topics in the past week bothering on 'NOTHING'.. wow.. amazing.. brilliant, wonderful..

Why does A NOTHING bother you so much?
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 6:26pm On Apr 21, 2012
Martian:

I know it's myth, I just think they have the most interesting idea about god. While everyone who believes in god always bend over backwards to explain the lack of evidence, they acknowledge that their god is purposely hiding.

Agreed 100%
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by rastamouse: 6:29pm On Apr 21, 2012
logicboy:

The student becomes the master.

Your God claims to have created the earth with no proof. Man is more sensible to put his mark or logo on things he creates.

God might have created man (with no proof) but man has made the best version of man. Moses teeth is not as white as mine due to dentistry.

I will be very glad to know that best version you are talking about.
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by ea7(m): 6:33pm On Apr 21, 2012
musKeeto: God doesn't exist, yet you've made countless posts and topics in the past week bothering on 'NOTHING'.. wow.. amazing.. brilliant, wonderful..

Why does A NOTHING bother you so much?
are you agn ostic?
the nothing dosn't bother me as much as the followers of the nothing do.
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 6:34pm On Apr 21, 2012
musKeeto: God doesn't exist, yet you've made countless posts and topics in the past week bothering on 'NOTHING'.. wow.. amazing.. brilliant, wonderful..

Why does A NOTHING bother you so much?

It's the zombies that follow the nothing that bother me grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 6:38pm On Apr 21, 2012
rastamouse:

I will be very glad to know that best version you are talking about.


Yes, human beings have made human beings better- We got whiter teeth, more variety of hairstyles, cleaner bodies (soap and fragrances), faster reflexes/hands (videogames, driving, typing on computers), smarter (schools, knowledge, internet etc) etc. We have upgraded ourselves as human beings.
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by rastamouse: 6:41pm On Apr 21, 2012
logicboy:


Yes, human beings have made human beings better- We got whiter teeth, more variety of hairstyles, cleaner bodies (soap and fragrances), faster reflexes/hands (videogames, driving, typing on computers), smarter (schools, knowledge, internet etc) etc. We have upgraded ourselves as human beings.

Hahahahahaha....

Is that the kind of logic that you hold? Are you saying that because I wiped my iPad clean, I am better than Apple?
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 6:44pm On Apr 21, 2012
rastamouse:

Hahahahahaha....

Is that the kind of logic that you hold? Are you saying that because I wiped my iPad clean, I am better than Apple?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Why would you stretch my argument beyond it's elastic capability? Reductio ad absurdum

If you can make a better OS for your IPAD, why not?
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by rastamouse: 6:47pm On Apr 21, 2012
logicboy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Why would you stretch my argument beyond it's elastic capability? Reductio ad absurdum

If you can make a better OS for your IPAD, why not?





grin grin grin grin Why do I feel that atheists in this house are researching me? grin

On a serious note, I don't think you just wrote what you did. In the case that we are talking about, it was not the third person who made the OS. Let rephrase it and lets see how funny the logic will sound...

Apple creates iPad. The iPad is able to self-improve itself. This means the iPad is better than Apple?
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 6:58pm On Apr 21, 2012
rastamouse:

grin grin grin grin Why do I feel that atheists in this house are researching me? grin

On a serious note, I don't think you just wrote what you did. In the case that we are talking about, it was not the third person who made the OS. Let rephrase it and lets see how funny the logic will sound...

Apple creates iPad. The iPad is able to self-improve itself. This means the iPad is better than Apple?


Apple creates iPad. The iPad is able to self-improve itself. This means the iPad is better than Apple?


Your above quote is very silly. Apple releases updates and not the iphone/ipad. Ipad doesnt improve itself- you can reject the updates

There are companies that specialise in making OS- RIM for instance.

Apple's main selling point is the OS. My Samsung can do anything my iphone can- difference is the OS.

You sir, are too old to be talking about computers- stick to stone tablets like moses
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by rastamouse: 7:01pm On Apr 21, 2012
logicboy:


Apple creates iPad. The iPad is able to self-improve itself. This means the iPad is better than Apple?


Your above quote is very silly. Apple releases updates and not the iphone/ipad. Ipad doesnt improve itself- you can reject the updates

There are companies that specialise in making OS- RIM for instance.

Apple's main selling point is the OS. My Samsung can do anything my iphone can- difference is the OS.

You sir, are too old to be talking about computers- stick to stone tablets like moses


This is absurd. Why will you want to separate the two entities. Our presumption is that GOD created man. Apple created iPad.

My question remain, does iPad become greater than Apple just because it can self-improve? Have you considered that Apple might have come up with that technology?
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by Jenwitemi(m): 7:02pm On Apr 21, 2012
While i get the point you are driving at, all them points do not make man greater than GOD(not the biblical one). Man is merely reflecting the greatness that already exist in GOD in whatever he creates.
logicboy: The biblical God;

-only talked to people in the middle east, especially Jews while man has created the internet and mobile phones to communicate with anyone, anywhere
-took 40 days to destroy the world with flooding while modern man can destroy the whole world in hours with nuclear bombs/WMDs
-has ten commandments written on stone while man has thousands of laws written on paper, on the internet, on computers, mobile phones etc
-claims to have created the world without scientific evidence while man/manufactures have logos or signatures on their creations
-only managed to impregnate one virgin (Mary) while man, through artificial insemination, can make not only thousands of virgins pregnant but also lesbians as well.

The deist/agnostic God;
-creates life and hides behind unknown cosmology without taking credit for his creation while man/manufacturers provide warranties for their creations/products with pride
-watches his creation with indifference like a peeping tom while man/manufacturers monitor and get feedback or sometimes recall their products.
-creates imperfect world, doesnt give a sh!t about errors while man/manufacturers recall factory errors after feedback
-creates some planets for no damn reason while man/manufacturers create products for a reason




Any questions?

Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 7:05pm On Apr 21, 2012
rastamouse:

This is absurd. Why will you want to separate the two entities. Our presumption is that GOD created man. Apple created iPad.

My question remain, does iPad become greater than Apple just because it can self-improve? Have you considered that Apple might have come up with that technology?

Ipad can not self improve.

However, if Robots can improve with AI to an extent such as in the Matrix movie, yes.

The background story of the matrix is Robots revolting and taking over the earth and using human beings as batteries since human blocked out the sun for their solar batteries. Those robots were better than their creators, they improve their killing abilites and also looked for other ways apart from the sun to sustain their lives
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 7:11pm On Apr 21, 2012
Jenwitemi: While i get the point you are driving at, all them points do not make man greater than GOD(not the biblical one). Man is merely reflecting the greatness that already exist in GOD in whatever he creates.


Every man is a God unto himself.

Boom. beat that
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by Jenwitemi(m): 7:19pm On Apr 21, 2012
I agree. Even the bible said the same thing; Know ye not that ye are gods? The creator creates. We do too. Or we can say that God creates through us.
logicboy:


Every man is a God unto himself.

Boom. beat that

Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 7:23pm On Apr 21, 2012
Jenwitemi: I agree. Even the bible said the same thing; Know ye not that ye are gods? The creator creates. We do too. Or we can say that God creates through us.

That would be true if there was a God.

However, God doesnt exist in my opinion
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by Nobody: 9:12pm On Apr 21, 2012
ea7: are you agn ostic?
the nothing dosn't bother me as much as the followers of the nothing do.
Yeah. I am.

logicboy:

It's the zombies that follow the nothing that bother me grin grin grin grin grin
I understand you'd like to convince them to become an atheist like you. It's about as difficult as their efforts to convince you to pick up your 'cross'....
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by Jenwitemi(m): 9:26pm On Apr 21, 2012
And that is only an opinion of one.
logicboy:

That would be true if there was a God.

However, God doesnt exist in my opinion
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by logicboy: 10:24pm On Apr 21, 2012
Jenwitemi: And that is only an opinion of one.

No, an opinion of many
Re: Why Man Is Greater Than God (biblical God, Agnostic God Or Diest God Etc) by ea7(m): 10:59pm On Apr 21, 2012
muskeeto as an agnostic, you seem to enjoy defending theists

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