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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by monerozi5590(m): 9:39am On Jan 12
simonjassy:
Lampard overall is a better player than iniesta is(no offense to barca fans.) but i think the reason why people wont see this is because one played for chelsea(a not so great team) and the other played for barca.personally i feel iniesta has been given more credit than he deserves when compared to lampard.
Sadly,football is a team sport and players who cant boast of tangible deeds can also be winners,morata is a good case here.If I were to pick my favorite barca midfield players, Iniesta Would be 3rd sitting behind xavi and the quiet but highly efficient busquets.




Haba bros. We get eyes and we the watch ball oh. Forget statistics abeg. Iniesta is the better player.


Is a shame that Iniesta didn't get to win the Ballon D'or.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Debroslink: 9:41am On Jan 12
simonjassy:
Lampard overall is a better player than iniesta is(no offense to barca fans.) but i think the reason why people wont see this is because one played for chelsea(a not so great team) and the other played for barca.personally i feel iniesta has been given more credit than he deserves when compared to lampard.
Sadly,football is a team sport and players who cant boast of tangible deeds can also be winners,morata is a good case here.If I were to pick my favorite barca midfield players, Iniesta Would be 3rd sitting behind xavi and the quiet but highly efficient busquets.

Between 1998 and 2007,Xavi wasn't so efficient and was overshadowed by players like Ronaldinho, Deco, Thiago freaking Motta and even Marc Van Bommel had more impact than Xavi in the single 2005/06 season he spent with us.

Iniesta brought out the beauty of Xavi's play. I can boldly say without Iniesta, there was no Xavi. But without Xavi, there was Iniesta.

2006 and 2015 finals say so.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Debroslink: 9:43am On Jan 12
monerozi5590:





Haba bros. We get eyes and we the watch ball oh. Forget statistics abeg. Iniesta is the better player.


Is a shame that Iniesta didn't get to win the Ballon D'or.

The way Ibime don brainwash this thread ehn... The guy has huge cult following.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by afrodoc2: 9:53am On Jan 12
Everybody just peddling fallacy like wetin!

Without Iniesta there was no Xavi? Shoro niyen?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Unlimited22: 10:01am On Jan 12
afrodoc2:

Everybody just peddling fallacy like wetin!

Without Iniesta there was no Xavi? Shoro niyen?
grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Unlimited22: 10:01am On Jan 12
Debroslink:


The way Ibime don brainwash this thread ehn... The guy has huge cult following.

So without Iniesta there was no Xavi?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by PietroRick: 10:02am On Jan 12
Upnepaa:
Throughout my journey in life, it is only on Nairaland will I ever read the opinion that Iniesta is a fraud. And perhaps, this is gonna be the only place in the whole 7 continents of the world. Such a bizarre assumption.
interestingly this is one of the things that drew me to this part of nairaland and ultimately prolonged my stay here on this platform in general.

I wandered here from my former base and met coogar in the middle of some batshit crazy arguments, the rest.. History grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Segedinho: 10:17am On Jan 12
monerozi5590:





Haba bros. We get eyes and we the watch ball oh. Forget statistics abeg. Iniesta is the better player.


Is a shame that Iniesta didn't get to win the Ballon D'or.
Some people here no get eyes..so they bank on sentiment using stats as yardstick....
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Segedinho: 10:19am On Jan 12
afrodoc2:

Everybody just peddling fallacy like wetin!

Without Iniesta there was no Xavi? Shoro niyen?
I wonder whether people they post 4 post sake or jst 2 shook mouth 4 mata thereby posting absolute nonsense
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Debroslink: 10:31am On Jan 12
Unlimited22:

So without Iniesta there was no Xavi?

Tell me any major trophy that Xavi won for my team before Iniesta came up?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Ibime(m): 10:38am On Jan 12
homesteady:


According to Whoscored.com, Messi was the best player, so isn't it just natural for a 'Technical' team to pick him as the best player?

OK, let's buy your Whoscored argument and assume Whoscored is a valid aggregator of players performance.

The same Whoscored had Iniesta as the lowest scoring Spanish player in Euros final. So on what basis did UEFA Technical team pick Iniesta? Did they use Lindaikeji.com?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Ibime(m): 10:42am On Jan 12
Debroslink:


The way Ibime don brainwash this thread ehn... The guy has huge cult following.


One does not need to be brainwashed to know that an AM with the career attacking returns of John Terry is a fraud.

At some point, reasoning people will start to ask valid questions and look beyond the hype and the highlights.

If Iniesta was the central attacking midfielder for a team flanked by Malouda and Joe Cole instead of Messi/Henry/Villa, would he not lead his team to midtable or even relegation sef?

They said he was controlling possession, we cannot find any evidence of that in his passing stats. What was his function in the midfield apart from dribbling?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by TalabiAudu: 10:43am On Jan 12
afrodoc2:

Everybody just peddling fallacy like wetin!

Without Iniesta there was no Xavi? Shoro niyen?


grin grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by airmark(m): 10:44am On Jan 12
Ronaldinho should be called Ibime, henceforth. Just as Rivaldo should be called airmark, for saying Hazard would perform better in laliga, cos it's not as strong as epl.

cheesy

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Greatihex(m): 10:45am On Jan 12
The result is that Fabregas will be remembered as more of a Premier League legend than a legend of any one club. Perhaps that is the way it should be for a player who has provided so much entertainment for the neutrals in his 350 appearances in the competition.His own assessment of his assist record sums it up well. "I'm not the fastest, I'm not the strongest, I'm not the most flexible and I don't jump high," he explained. "But to achieve this record in my career is one of the proudest things in my job, because it is my job and I did it well."Of that there can be no argument.



https://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/11096/11600864/cesc-fabregas-leaving-chelsea-his-premier-league-legacy-assessed?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C4760040393


raumdeuter, with this, can we say that fabregas is one of the greatest midfielders ever?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by patrickmuf(m): 10:46am On Jan 12
It depends on the team and the preference of the coach in question.
In a team like Chelsea where the front 3 don't score often, I'll take Lampard over Iniesta every day and all day but in a team like Barca and Madrid where the front 3 are lethal and can shoulder the goal scoring burden of the team, I'd opt for Iniesta who is more at ease with the ball at his feet gliding through challenges and releasing the attackers to do damage.
The argument here is non existent but guys just want to argue.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Unlimited22: 10:46am On Jan 12
Debroslink:


Tell me any major trophy that Xavi won for my team before Iniesta came up?
How many UCL's has Iniesta won since Xavi left?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by obainojazz(m): 10:48am On Jan 12
monerozi5590:





Haba bros. We get eyes and we the watch ball oh. Forget statistics abeg. Iniesta is the better player.


Is a shame that Iniesta didn't get to win the Ballon D'or
.
But he won carryalong d'or

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by obainojazz(m): 10:52am On Jan 12
Debroslink:


Between 1998 and 2007,Xavi wasn't so efficient and was overshadowed by players like Ronaldinho, Deco, Thiago freaking Motta and even Marc Van Bommel had more impact than Xavi in the single 2005/06 season he spent with us.

Iniesta brought out the beauty of Xavi's play. I can boldly say without Iniesta, there was no Xavi. But without Xavi, there was Iniesta.

2006 and 2015 finals say so.
Truth is, Iniesta perfected the act of being carried along, he's the best in the business. Xavi is the fire that cooks the soup, Iniesta will jump in and start forming steam coming out of the pot.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by randomperson: 10:59am On Jan 12
Ibime:


Did Bayern control possession or not with just two midfielders? Was Muller needed to join hands with them?

Does David Silva not play the same role in same 4-3-3 under the same manager and produce attacking returns?

The 3rd midfielder, just like Silva, just like Muller is free to seek goals and assists according to his ability. Iniesta does not have that ability.

Who called Iniesta to go and join hands with Xavi and Busquets?

How did his 60 passes per game add to Barcas possession game? Is it any more than the 84 passes per game that Silva recorded under Pep last season whilst still scoring and assisting?

Your lie will find you out today.

The Eunuch is incapable of scoring or assisting, and he is incapable of running possession game. Stop telling lies.


Actually iniesta and Silva don't play d same roles.. Silva plays behind Sane who hugs d touch line, affording Silva d space and opportunity to make runs inside d box on a constant basis...

Iniesta on the other hand played behind natural goalscorers like Henry and Villa who make more runs into the box to score compared to Sane who's major role is to stretch d play
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Ibime(m): 11:00am On Jan 12
monerozi5590:

Is a shame that Iniesta didn't get to win the Ballon D'or.

Thank God EPL small boy Modric who could never raise mouth to Lampard, Gerrard and co as an AM in EPL still managed to win Ballon D'or by tapping into Iniestas carryalong blessing.

Modric > Iniesta.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Ibime(m): 11:04am On Jan 12
randomperson:


Actually iniesta and Silva don't play d same roles.. Silva plays behind Sane who hugs d touch line, affording Silva d space and opportunity to make runs inside d box on a constant basis...

Iniesta on the other hand played behind natural goalscorers like Henry and Villa who make more runs into the box to score compared to Sane who's major role is to stretch d play

Story for the gods.

Which Henry was holding Iniestas leg for Spain that made him only score one goal every 12 games.

When Iniesta played left attacking mid for Spain in Euro 2012, shebi Leroy Sane abi Henry were the ones stopping him from producing attacking returns.

The same Silva was scoring and assisting from the opposite wing in the same tournament, but Henry must have still been holding Iniestas leg.

Iniesta is incapable of doing his basic job as an AM, in any setting, with any combination of wingers or forwards whether it was Guily, Pedro, Messi or Henry. Quit the excuses.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by randomperson: 11:04am On Jan 12
simonjassy:
Lampard overall is a better player than iniesta is(no offense to barca fans.) but i think the reason why people wont see this is because one played for chelsea(a not so great team) and the other played for barca.personally i feel iniesta has been given more credit than he deserves when compared to lampard.
Sadly,football is a team sport and players who cant boast of tangible deeds can also be winners,morata is a good case here.If I were to pick my favorite barca midfield players, Iniesta Would be 3rd sitting behind xavi and the quiet but highly efficient busquets.

Well, by virtue of their INDIVIDUAL awards alone, iniesta is greater than lampard. Let's not even get started on their trophies.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Ibime(m): 11:08am On Jan 12
randomperson:


Well, by virtue of their INDIVIDUAL awards alone, iniesta is greater than lampard. Let's not even get started on their trophies.

By virtue of Individual awards, Modric is greater than Iniesta, and Modric was Lampards junior in EPL

Carryalong D'or awards.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Ibime(m): 11:10am On Jan 12
obainojazz:
Truth is, Iniesta perfected the act of being carried along, he's the best in the business. Xavi is the fire that cooks the soup, Iniesta will jump in and start forming steam coming out of the pot.

Flesh and blood have not revealed this to you, but the Holy spirit.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by randomperson: 11:18am On Jan 12
Ibime:


Story for the gods.

Which Henry was holding Iniestas leg for Spain that made him only score one goal every 12 games.

When Iniesta played left attacking mid for Spain in Euro 2012, shebi Leroy Sane abi Henry were the ones stopping him from producing attacking returns.

The same Silva was scoring and assisting from the opposite wing in the same tournament, but Henry must have still been holding Iniestas leg.

Iniesta is incapable of doing his basic job as an AM, in any setting, with any combination of wingers or forwards whether it was Guily, Pedro, Messi or Henry. Quit the excuses.

It's not excuses, it's tactical analysis which you can't disprove... The Euro 2012 you're talking about, Iniesta was d best player in the tournament. And the only reason he didn't win ballon d'or that year was because of messi's insane goal scoring stats that year...

And that's the thing, when you have goalscorers like Suarez,henry, eto and villa in front of you, and then add Messi, perhaps d most consistent goalscorer in history, your goal stats can't be that impressive...

Lampard was charged with the duty of scoring because the only consistent goalscoring attacker was drogba.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by afrodoc2: 11:21am On Jan 12
Unlimited22:

grin

My broda, I tire for both groups.
One side is saying Iniesta was useless and the other side is trying to prove Iniesta was great by claiming Xavi was useless.

Telling us Iniesta brought out the beauty in Xavi’s game. When did he become a makeup artist?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by randomperson: 11:26am On Jan 12
Ibime:


By virtue of Individual awards, Modric is greater than Iniesta, and Modric was Lampards junior in EPL

Carryalong D'or awards.

Modric was lampard's junior in EPL because he was playing for an inferior team... Modric won world cup golden ball for Croatia, something Lampard couldn't dream off...

Yes, modric was lucky to win that ballon d'or because frankly, Messi and Ronaldo were not at their best this year...

Lampard played in an era when cannavaro won world best, iniesta played in the messi-ronaldo era

Till tomorrow, acclaimed pundits, managers and footballers- both active and retired still lament that iniesta never won d ballon d or. But nobody expresses that sentiment in relation to Lampard.... because he is simply not that good

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by LordEmperoris1(m): 11:27am On Jan 12
Debroslink:


Between 1998 and 2007,Xavi wasn't so efficient and was overshadowed by players like Ronaldinho, Deco, Thiago freaking Motta and even Marc Van Bommel had more impact than Xavi in the single 2005/06 season he spent with us.

Iniesta brought out the beauty of Xavi's play. I can boldly say without Iniesta, there was no Xavi. But without Xavi, there was Iniesta.

2006 and 2015 finals say so.
It is finished

I quit naira land.


without iniesta there won't be any Xavi

words from a wise barkabots
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Ibime(m): 11:31am On Jan 12
randomperson:

And that's the thing, when you have goalscorers like Suarez,henry, eto and villa in front of you, and then add Messi, perhaps d most consistent goalscorer in history, your goal stats can't be that impressive...

Lampard was charged with the duty of scoring because the only consistent goalscoring attacker was drogba.

In other words, Iniesta was a carryalong while Lampard was a carrier.

Don't compare drummer boy who dance behind Masquerade to the Masquerade please.

Even as a left winger tasked with making the difference, he was still a drummer boy that couldn't provide the winning impetus.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by airmark(m): 11:39am On Jan 12
simonjassy:
Lampard overall is a better player than iniesta is(no offense to barca fans.) but i think the reason why people wont see this is because one played for chelsea(a not so great team) and the other played for barca.personally i feel iniesta has been given more credit than he deserves when compared to lampard.
Sadly,football is a team sport and players who cant boast of tangible deeds can also be winners,morata is a good case here.If I were to pick my favorite barca midfield players, Iniesta Would be 3rd sitting behind xavi and the quiet but highly efficient busquets.

cheesy cheesy cheesy

It seems i will like to know apari raumdeuter's opinion on this, if it's in tandem with mine.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: 2018 FA cup winner by Ibime(m): 11:42am On Jan 12
randomperson:


Modric was lampard's junior in EPL because he was playing for an inferior team... Modric won world cup golden ball for Croatia, something Lampard couldn't dream off...

Yes, modric was lucky to win that ballon d'or because frankly, Messi and Ronaldo were not at their best this year...

Modric was not just Lampards junior, he was everyones junior including Gerrard, Fabregas and in his own team Van Der Vaart chased him away from AM position after he played AM for a year and couldn't produce any attacking returns.

The difference between Liverpool and Spurs could be boiled down to the difference between Gerrard and Modric. They often finish in not too dissimilar league positions, but Gerrard's incisiveness could take them deep into competitions while Modric was waiting for Carryalong.

Gareth Bale became World most expensive player playing for the same team because he was not waiting for any carryalong. Van Der Vaart pushed Modric out of AM position and immediately started hitting double figures for goals and assists where Modric was struggling to put even 5 together.

Modric simply followed the Iniesta route and tapped into carryalong blessings that Iniesta has been profiting from his whole career. Ronaldo has now taken those blessings to Italy, Modric cannot even carry himself anymore.

If Modric see Lampard, Gerrard, Fabregas or even Van Der Vaart today, he will still dobale for them cos shoe get size. I am happy he is greater than Iniesta today though. Much respect to him for out-Iniesta-ing Iniesta.

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