medjai: Just came across this stat:

Chelsea has the 2nd lowest clear chance(s) created stat amongst the top 6. A clear chance being a chance laid on a plate - 1 v 1, PK, open goal, free header in the 6 yard box etc. In comparison with other teams in the top 6 - City 104, Utd 105, Ars 101, Spurs 84.... Chelsea 59.

Puts the Torres situation in perspective.

Even with Torres' failings, this abysmal level of chance creation is clearly a big problem - Mata having 11 assists doesn't negate the fact that sufficient chances are not being created at Chelski.

The debate about formations is a red herring - the simple fact is that chances are not being created. If Torres was playing for Liverpool who've been creating a lot but failing to score, then we can blame the striker - clearly this is not the case with Chelski.

dayokanu:

Leave coogar let him continue his brainless yarns like say na only him dey watch Man Utd

When playing 4-2-3-1, The 2 wide men are expected to be scoring threats similar to Robben, C.Ronaldo. etc

But when playing with 2 strikers like Man Utd does, the RW is an assist outlet

so valencia and nani or young are not scoring threats?
see brainfarticles from dayokanu, for bleeps' sake.

debosky:
Even with Torres' failings, this abysmal level of chance creation is clearly a big problem - Mata having 11 assists doesn't negate the fact that sufficient chances are not being created at Chelski.

The debate about formations is a red herring - the simple fact is that chances are not being created. If Torres was playing for Liverpool who've been creating a lot but failing to score, then we can blame the striker - clearly this is not the case with Chelski.

mata having 11 assists are mostly from set-pieces.
valencia has 13 assists, he has been injured twice this season and he doesn't take set-pieces.
chelsea create one or 2 chances for torres per game n they expect him to score from the scraps.

in other teams, chances created are up to 10 for their strikers. it leaves a huge margin for errors.
van persie or rooney can miss 5 chances in a match and still bag a hatrick. not the same at chelsea.
the midfielders are lethargic. they create nowt.

debosky:

Even with Torres' failings, this abysmal level of chance creation is clearly a big problem - Mata having 11 assists doesn't negate the fact that sufficient chances are not being created at Chelski.

The debate about formations is a red herring - the simple fact is that chances are not being created. If Torres was playing for Liverpool who've been creating a lot but failing to score, then we can blame the striker - clearly this is not the case with Chelski.

Chelsea has scored about the same number of goals with teams in their level on the table. (Newcastle, Tottenham)

How come Tottenham and newcastles strikers are scoring double digits even the Cisse that joined 3 months ago while Torres is in triple digit misses?

Why is Torres not doing the same like strikers of other clubs are doing

For a clear chance to be created its a combination of the midfielders and strikers effort. While Demba ba, Adebayor, papiss are running into positions , Torres would be elsewhere keeping shape and the chances that get slapped on his face he slips

So who else can help him

If a midfielder in Chelsea can have 11 assists and Torres cant benefit from any of those then He has a problem

coogar:

so valencia and nani or young are not scoring threats?
see brainfarticles from dayokanu, for bleeps' sake.

Which of these have as many goals as Sturridge? How many goals has Young and Valencia?

coogar:
mata having 11 assists are mostly from set-pieces.
valencia has 13 assists, he has been injured twice this season and he doesn't take set-pieces.
chelsea create one or 2 chances for torres per game n they expect him to score from the scraps.

in other teams, chances created are up to 10 for their strikers. it leaves a huge margin for errors.
van persie or rooney can miss 5 chances in a match and still bag a hatrick. not the same at chelsea.
the midfielders are lethargic. they create nowt.

Torres is banned from scoring from those Set piece assist or whats the point about the set pieces issue?

Chelseas midfielders dont create but Mata created 11 goals this season and Torres couldnt benefit from it.

So we should blame them for not creating enough? when the dud is elsewhere on the field keeping shape or looking for Spanish speakers

dayokanu:
Which of these have as many goals as Sturridge? How many goals has Young and Valencia?

that's the point! which of robben or ribery has scored more than mario gomez?
the snap-shots sturridge take that often leads to goals should have been passes to his
centre-forwards. sturridge as a winger is stealing the glory that should have been for
drogba or torres. if he learns to pass the ball more, more clear-cut chances would be created
and more goals would be scored by the centre-forwards.

torres has more assists than sturridge - what should that tell you if you have a brain?

Torres is banned from scoring from those Set piece assist or whats the point about the set pieces issue?
Chelseas midfielders dont create but Mata created 11 goals this season and Torres couldnt benefit from it.
So we should blame them for not creating enough? when the dud is elsewhere on the field keeping shape or looking for Spanish speakers

it seems you don't grasp what we are talking about.
scoring from the set-piece or not scoring from it is not the issue.
the real mccoy is the low number of clear-cut chances chelsea have created all season.

it says a lot that torres(centre forward) has more goal assists than sturridge(winger).
sturridge has only made 6 accurate crosses in almost 2000 league minutes.
ribery has 11 assists, robben with his injuries has 5 assists.

sturridge has only made 18 key passes. . .torres has made 24 key passes.
i ask again - who's the winger? who's the forward?
sturridge has played 360 more mins than torres.

dayo, over to you.

i know more abt formations than u at least for u to claim chelsea and united play the same formation

afrodoc: i know more abt formations than u at least for u to claim chelsea and united play the same formation

they do!

in another news........

--------cech-------
ivanovic cahill terry cole
---------mikel----------
---meireles---lampard---
mata-----drogba-----ramirez.

what a line-up!

ramirez would most likely play right and mata left.
no dani alves for barca! now dts surprising

seems barca going to play 3-4-3 wit busquets dropping to make it 4 when under pressure.
guardiola with his continuous tweaking

coogar:

that's the point! which of robben or ribery has scored more than mario gomez?
the snap-shots sturridge take that often leads to goals should have been passes to his
centre-forwards. sturridge as a winger is stealing the glory that should have been for
drogba or torres. if he learns to pass the ball more, more clear-cut chances would be created
and more goals would be scored by the centre-forwards.

Thats because Mario Gomez is alive to his duties as a striker and not pissing around the field keeping shape.

If Mario Gomez wasnt doing his job, Robben would easily outscore him. In 2010 when Bayern strikers were not performing, Robben outscored them all

When Sturridge doesnt play Torres still dont score. So whats the point?

We have blamed Lampard, Drogba, Opposing defence and keepers, pitch, noise level, Language for Torres non performance, Now the next person to blame is Sturridge?

dayokanu:
Thats because Mario Gomez is alive to his duties as a striker and not pissing around the field keeping shape.
If Mario Gomez wasnt doing his job, Robben would easily outscore him. In 2010 when Bayern strikers were not performing, Robben outscored them all

go and find out the number of crosses robben and ribery have laid on the plate this season
before coming out to spout nonsense.

When Sturridge doesnt play Torres still dont score. So whats the point?

it's a general problem. i am not witch-hunting sturridge here but i think he's the leading culprit.
the number of chances the team creates is too low for any striker to thrive. this is why both torres
and drogba have suffered this season which is contrary to your daft opinion that it's because drogba is old.

old drogba poved you wrong against tottenham n barcelona.

We have blamed Lampard, Drogba, Opposing defence and keepers, pitch, noise level, Language for Torres non performance, Now the next person to blame is Sturridge?

the statistics agree with us. tell us one statistic that agrees with you that torres is the problem.
debosky(who used to be as foolish as you, ibime n bluediva) has now seen the light that the chances chelsea create
are nothing to write home about.

ribery - 127 crosses in the league alone - 34 found the intended target
robben - 96 crosses with 22 crosses finding a team-mate.
is it any surprise that gomez has 25 bundesliga goals in the league?

sturridge has 6 accurate crosses in 48 attempted.

cahill struggling,nt gud news for chelsea

coogar:

go and find out the number of crosses robben and ribery have laid on the plate this season
before coming out to spout nonsense.



it's a general problem. i am not witch-hunting sturridge here but i think he's the leading culprit.
the number of chances the team creates is too low for any striker to thrive. this is why both torres
and drogba have suffered this season which is contrary to your daft opinion that it's because drogba is old.

old drogba poved you wrong against tottenham n barcelona.

If a striker is useless someone would have to score

In 2010 when Bayern strikers were pants Robben outscored them, Since Torres is useless then Sturridge would have to outscore him.

In 2010 when Arsenal strikers were not performing , Fabregas and Arshavin easily outscored them

Drogba is too old to perform consistently is the issue, He can still do it once in a while but not with the consistency expected from a 27yr old.

A 39yr old Giggs delivers from time to time but its foolhardy to expect him to deliver every week like a 27yr old

I'm so nervous.

Pique sef don comot.

john terry is an I.D.I.O.T

It's over.

Moment of madness.

Now they need all the luck in the world to prevent Barcelona from scoring 7

Only one Central defender left on the field and Mikel now emergency CB

Goallllllllllllllllllllllllllll

great finish ramires......but great pass lampard

Who gave that pass to Ramires/

Now lets wait for those who would tell us its just another highlight pass.

How come Lampard has been making highlight passes lately

Game on!

LOL

nateevs: Game on!

maybe now, nattevs n co would cocksuck ramirez.
the dude has been a revelation! mata should come out for essien.

chelsea should go 4-4-1.
2 banks of 4. close down the space between defenders and midfielders.

this is not the game to gung-ho.
it's 45 mins to a european final. chelsea should go ultra-catenaccio.

I hear any id-oi-tic bout Remires again on dis thread,I send boko haram to pinish u up! Wat a finish from Remires. Meanwhile,we nid kalou to come in for mata cos e don disappear. Cole my best player so far. Alexis dey jump like tad pole since.. Hup we piss on dis Useless UEFA team. CFC 4eva wat eva d outcome turns out to b

John Terry is cursed

@ Coogar, Respect U are a genius. I like Ur post above. Makes plenty of sense.

coogar:

maybe now, nattevs n co would cocksuck ramirez.
the dude has been a revelation! mata should come out for essien.

chelsea should go 4-4-1.
2 banks of 4. close down the space between defenders and midfielders.

this is not the game to gung-ho.
it's 45 mins to a european final. chelsea should go ultra-catenaccio.

I agree with this

remove mata bring in Essien or any other available DM

Pair essien, Mikel and Ivanovic in CB

Bosingwa as full backs. Lampard ramires in middle

Drogba free role

mata out,dis game is nt his style.bring on essien or kalou.not sure of essien's fitness

Take off Mikel (yellow card), bring on Bertrand. . .


Go like this. . .


DD

Mata Ramires

Lamps Meireles

Cole Ivanovic Bosingwa Bertrand



Lampas and Meireles sitting really deep, Mata and Ramires sit deep with them. . . but one of Mata and Ramires to support DD when a break is on.


Its improbable. . . .but anything is possible.


BTW, Terry should be fined two weeks wages.

diggz: I hear any id-oi-tic bout Remires again on dis thread,I send boko haram to pinish u up! Wat a finish from Remires. Meanwhile,we nid kalou to come in for mata cos e don disappear. Cole my best player so far. Alexis dey jump like tad pole since.. Hup we piss on dis Useless UEFA team. CFC 4eva wat eva d outcome turns out to b

A great goal from the wing (the only place he should ever play) but once again, Lampard shows that he is the only boss in the Chelsea midfield, not Ramires who belongs on the wing.