matthew 27 vs 50- 52 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain in the sanctuary of the Temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. The earth shook, rocks split apart,And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose


2 peter 2 vs 4 God did not spare the Angels who sinned, but cast them down in chains of darkness into the lowest depths and handed them over to be kept for the judgment of torment,

2 peter 3 vs 12 looking forward to the day of God and hurrying it along. On that day, he will set the heavens on fire, and the elements will melt away in the flames.

Following. this has to be interesting...

Ok let's start with matthew 27:50-52.....

The curtain of d sanctuary mentioned there,is d curtain that seperated d holy from d most holy which is Jesus's fleshy body.....
(Hebrews 10:19,20)

It was that barrier that kept Jesus from entering into his Fathers presence while he was a man on earth.........

At d time of Jesus death the curtain of d sanctuary was torn into 2 from top to bottom......
This dramatically indicated that d barrier preventing Jesus entry into heaven had now been removed.........

erm...Kuchiyose:Edo Tensei
Google it.

In mathew 27: the vers declares in an apocalyptic style dat d death of jesus marked d completn of definitive salvatn.vs 53 is interpreted as a sign of fulfilment of d prophecies of daniel(12:2). It also suggests dat b4 d resurrectn jesus descended to d dead, dis signifies dat jesu was present to these historical or prehistorical multitudes who were to wait 4 him to have life in God.

ea7: erm...Kuchiyose:Edo Tensei
Google it.

Lmao...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zctsCHlLess

ijawkid: Ok let's start with matthew 27:50-52.....

The curtain of d sanctuary mentioned there,is d curtain that seperated d holy from d most holy which is Jesus's fleshy body.....
(Hebrews 10:19,20)

It was that barrier that kept Jesus from entering into his Fathers presence while he was a man on earth.........

At d time of Jesus death the curtain of d sanctuary was torn into 2 from top to bottom......
This dramatically indicated that d barrier preventing Jesus entry into heaven had now been removed.........

This is typical christiany: answering the question that was NOT asked. Can't you see his bolded?

@ Buzugee,

I love this thread. However, I need TITHE AND APOSTOLIC Offerings to help you out.

matthew 27 vs 50- 52

The ancient tabernacle and the temples patterned thereafter had veils which separated one portion of the structure from another. To pass the first veil was to move from the outer court into an inner sanctuary known as the Holy Place. To pass the second veil was to enter the Holy of Holies, or the Most Holy Place.Paul capitalizes upon the Hebrew understanding of these things to indicate symbolically the role of Jesus in making it possible for us to enter into heaven, our “holy of holies.” As in ancient times the high priest entered the earthly sanctuary through rites of purification, so we too are privileged to enter the heavenly sanctuary through the blood of Christ, which cleanses us from sin. “Atonement for sin is no longer made by the high priest in Israel when he passes through the veil of the temple into the holy of holies. (Lev. 16.) Heb 6:19–20. Now there is a new way, a living way, for the veil of the old temple was rent with the crucifixion. (Matt. 27:50–51.) Now Jesus has passed through the veil into heaven itself. While he lived, his mortal flesh stood between him and the eternal holy of holies, for ‘flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God’ (1 Cor. 15:50), but now he has, as it were, rent the veil of his flesh through death and entered into the fulness of his Father’s kingdom through resurrection.

Logic Mind:

This is typical christiany: answering the question that was NOT asked. Can't you see his bolded?

I'm nt thru wit d post nigga..lol


More is coming.

Was busy

Goshen360: @ Buzugee,

I love this thread. However, I need TITHE AND APOSTOLIC Offerings to help you out.

Hahaha!
Very smart answer ...
Be in Euros, please!

Strangely enough , atheists on Nairaland are beginning to lose it, honestly.

This thread was started for the purpose of deriving opinions from other bible believing scholars, yet again, we see our troll pals all over the article.

Guys please respect yourselves oooo !!

i see yall coming with the comedy and jokes but no answers ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Seriously, @ buzugee, I need Tithe and my Apostolic offerings to help you out. Your questions are very small by the Grace of God upon my life. Am not joking now.....After all, your pastors teach that, where you FEED is where you "pay" or "give" your TITHE to. In this case, me as an Apostle of faith, called to teach the way of God, I want, not only Tithe but also an Apostolic offerings.

where is my tithe and APOSTOLIC offering?

buzugee: i see yall coming with the comedy and jokes but no answers ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ok let me start trying with matthew 27:52....

I know many will think that d bodies that were arisen from there graves experienced ressurection or came to life literally...

But here's my lil understanding along with other scriptures to back it up...

At matthew 27:52, whoever “the holy ones” were, Matthew did not say they were raised up. He said their bodies, or corpses, were. Second, he did not say these bodies came to life. He said they were raised up, and the Greek verb e•gei'ro, meaning to “raise up,” does not always refer to a resurrection. It can, among other things, also mean to “lift out” from a pit or to “get up” from the ground. (Matthew 12:11; 17:7; Luke 1:69) The upheaval at Jesus’ death opened tombs, tossing lifeless bodies into the open. Such occurrences during earthquakes were reported in the second century C.E. by Greek writer Aelius Aristides and more recently, in 1962, in Colombia.
This view of the event harmonizes with Bible teachings. In 1 Corinthians chapter 15, the apostle Paul gives convincing proof of the resurrection, but he completely ignores Matthew 27:52, 53. So do all other Bible writers. (Acts 2:32, 34) The corpses raised up at Jesus’ death could not have come to life,for on the third day thereafter, Jesus became “the firstborn from the dead.” (Colossians 1:18) The “holy ones,” were promised a share in the first resurrection during Christ’s presence, not in the first century.—1 Thessalonians 3:13; 4:14-17.


Hope I tried my comrade buzugeee.....

Lol

Goshen360: Seriously, @ buzugee, I need Tithe and my Apostolic offerings to help you out. Your questions are very small by the Grace of God upon my life. Am not joking now.....After all, your pastors teach that, where you FEED is where you "pay" or "give" your TITHE to. In this case, me as an Apostle of faith, called to teach the way of God, I want, not only Tithe but also an Apostolic offerings.

where is my tithe and APOSTOLIC offering?

Come take..................lol

Goshen360: Seriously, @ buzugee, I need Tithe and my Apostolic offerings to help you out. Your questions are very small by the Grace of God upon my life. Am not joking now.....After all, your pastors teach that, where you FEED is where you "pay" or "give" your TITHE to. In this case, me as an Apostle of faith, called to teach the way of God, I want, not only Tithe but also an Apostolic offerings.

where is my tithe and APOSTOLIC offering?

LOL Deacon Goshen, i guess i cant argue with that. prophets got bills too i shall start a collection

ijawkid:

Ok let me start trying with matthew 27:52....

I know many will think that d bodies that were arisen from there graves experienced ressurection or came to life literally...

But here's my lil understanding along with other scriptures to back it up...

At matthew 27:52, whoever “the holy ones” were, Matthew did not say they were raised up. He said their bodies, or corpses, were. Second, he did not say these bodies came to life. He said they were raised up, and the Greek verb e•gei'ro, meaning to “raise up,” does not always refer to a resurrection. It can, among other things, also mean to “lift out” from a pit or to “get up” from the ground. (Matthew 12:11; 17:7; Luke 1:69) The upheaval at Jesus’ death opened tombs, tossing lifeless bodies into the open. Such occurrences during earthquakes were reported in the second century C.E. by Greek writer Aelius Aristides and more recently, in 1962, in Colombia.
This view of the event harmonizes with Bible teachings. In 1 Corinthians chapter 15, the apostle Paul gives convincing proof of the resurrection, but he completely ignores Matthew 27:52, 53. So do all other Bible writers. (Acts 2:32, 34) The corpses raised up at Jesus’ death could not have come to life,for on the third day thereafter, Jesus became “the firstborn from the dead.” (Colossians 1:18) The “holy ones,” were promised a share in the first resurrection during Christ’s presence, not in the first century.—1 Thessalonians 3:13; 4:14-17.


Hope I tried my comrade buzugeee.....

Lol

nice account and enthralling read. keep in mind i am not here to judge anyone's answers. I am trying to learn from you guys. iron sharpens iron. we all have our opinions.

ijawkid:

Come take..................lol

lets collect the money that jingles and not the one that crumples, for Deacon Goshen

buzugee: LOL Deacon Goshen, i guess i cant argue with that. prophets got bills too i shall start a collection

Buzugee,

Why are you demoting me naw? Huh? I am an Apostle NOT a Deacon please. Okay. Anyway, I will help you shortly. Just because it's you as my brother. Say if na Ijawkid as this kind kweshion now....Trust me, my tithe and Apostolic offerings shall not pass me by

Goshen360:

Buzugee,

Why are you demoting me naw? Huh? I am an Apostle NOT a Deacon please. Okay. Anyway, I will help you shortly. Just because it's you as my brother. Say if na Ijawkid as this kind kweshion now....Trust me, my tithe and Apostolic offerings shall not pass me by

Its that alzeihmers i got, Apostle Goshen. The alzeihmers got me confusing Apostle with Deacon. LOL

Goshen360:

Buzugee,

Why are you demoting me naw? Huh? I am an Apostle NOT a Deacon please. Okay. Anyway, I will help you shortly. Just because it's you as my brother. Say if na Ijawkid as this kind kweshion now....Trust me, my tithe and Apostolic offerings shall not pass me by

Lol.....

But just promise us that when we rake in d tithes u won't run off to purchase a bombadier challenger...lol

If not we go fight wrestling ooo

buzugee: lets collect the money that jingles and not the one that crumples, for Deacon Goshen

Hehehehehehehehehehehehehe


We gon be d under-priests collecting d tithes and goshen will be d high priest waiting in d holy of holies to receive all of it.....lol

Oya buzugee start collecting from d 1st columÑ ï'll do for d 2nd

ijawkid:

Hehehehehehehehehehehehehe


We gon be d under-priests collecting d tithes and goshen will be d high priest waiting in d holy of holies to receive all of it.....lol

Oya buzugee start collecting from d 1st columÑ ï'll do for d 2nd

am way ahead of you Chief, i done collected from all the aisles and pews. wasnt enough though. just enough to cover a meal of eba and pomo. that ought to be enough for Apostle Goshens lunch

Okay, here we go. I will start with the third question. 2 Peter 3:12. However, because verse 12 is a continuation of verse 11. I will add verse 11 for clarification purpose.

Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, v11

looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? v12.

You see, everything is all about context when you interpret the scriptures.

From verse 11, Apostle Peter began to tell us through the Holy Spirit that "since ALL THESE THINGS" will be dissolved, meaning heaven and earth will pass away. Since we have this knowledge that "all things" will be dissolved or pass away, how do we ought to live? We ought to live in holy conduct and godliness. With our holy living and godliness (vs.11) then we looking for (vs 12) and hastening the coming of the day of God. Hastening, the Greek word speudo which mean "hurry by extra effort" by our holy and Godly living. Hey, this does not mean the Lord does not know when he will return (Matt. 24:36; Acts 17:31). But when God set that day, it will happen after all his purpose for saving believers and building his kingdom in this present age had been accomplished and those purpose are accomplished when God works with human agents to bring them to past. Therefore, when Christians share the gospel with others (Matt 6:10) and advance the kingdom of God here on earth, they do "hasten" the fulfillment of God's purpose, including Christ's return according to Matthew 24:14.

The Apostle went further to tell us what will happen when the day of God comes, he said, "because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat". What heaven[b]S[/b] is he talking about? This heaven is in PLURAL with "s". There are three heavens in the bible, NOT seven. First is the abode of God and usually called heaven of heavens. Second and Third are the 2 heavens that belongs to our earth. The heaven called firmament which is our immediate sky (Gen. 1:8 ) Another heaven that belongs to our earth is the outer space, starry heaven where the sun, moon and stars are fixed in orbit. Gen 1:17, Isa. 40:22, Ps 19:4-6. Stars and other heavenly bodies been talked about here in 2 Peter 3:12 are NOT in our immediate sky.

So we have two heavens being referred to by Apostle Peter. How do I know? Simple because of the context that says, "and the elements". The elements here are the heavenly bodies known as the stars, moon and sun. They will all melt away and dissolved by fire at the coming of the day of God when there shall be a new earth and new heaven. The Apostle is NOT including the heaven that is the abode place of God but rather, the heavens that man explore. So verse 12 is telling us what will happen at the day of God or how the Lord will destroy this earth and heavens for a new heaven and a new earth.

Am doing the second question....coming shortly.

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4 kjv

PARALLELS WITH Jude v 6,

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

In 2 Peter 2:4, it was "IF" God spared not the angels that sinned....it simply means God is not going to spare "sinners". What sin are we talking about here? We have to search out what was the sin of the angel that were not spared which applies to the sin of those that God will not spare also. In Jude verse 6, it was the sin of ungodliness (Jude 3) and sin of perverting of the grace of God as license for immoral living. it is also the sin of denying God and Jesus Christ. What is the sin of the angels that were not spared in 2 peter 2:4? it is the sin of rebellion because these angels rebelled with Lucifer.

These angels are Lucifer (Eze. 28: 11-17; Isa. 14:12-14, Luke 10:18 )

Angels who rebelled with Lucifer (Rev 12:3, 7-12) and the became destined to hell with Satan or Lucifer (Matt. 25:41, Isa. 24:21) and in Jude v 6 and 2 Pet. 2:4, they are called angel[b]S[/b] with plural, meaning it's not one but more than one apart from Lucifer.

So 2 peter is telling us, For "if" God spared not them those angels, God will not spare people who engage in such sins also according to Jude v 5. May God help us.

buzugee: i see yall coming with the comedy and jokes but no answers ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How can one explain or interpret what he doesnt understand? Its like asking a one year old baby to go and cook his own food.

@ Buzugee,

I have to go out now. I will help with the first question in due time. Okay. Until then, keep study and searching the word. Thanks brother and please, by the time I come back, make my tithe and APOSTOLIC offerings don ready o because I dey feed you with the word now, you should feed me too. Besides, try change the title of this thread (just a suggestion) because am NOT or we are NOT a bible scholars here, WE ARE BIBLE TEACHERS. Nothing like bible scholars in the bible but "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues" 1 Cor. 12:28 Kjv. You now see why am an Apostle....the "sent" one, am following in the first order.

Goshen360: Okay, here we go. I will start with the third question. 2 Peter 3:12. However, because verse 12 is a continuation of verse 11. I will add verse 11 for clarification purpose.

Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, v11

looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? v12.

You see, everything is all about context when you interpret the scriptures.

From verse 11, Apostle Peter began to tell us through the Holy Spirit that "since ALL THESE THINGS" will be dissolved, meaning heaven and earth will pass away. Since we have this knowledge that "all things" will be dissolved or pass away, how do we ought to live? We ought to live in holy conduct and godliness. With our holy living and godliness (vs.11) then we looking for (vs 12) and hastening the coming of the day of God. Hastening, the Greek word speudo which mean "hurry by extra effort" by our holy and Godly living. Hey, this does not mean the Lord does not know when he will return (Matt. 24:36; Acts 17:31). But when God set that day, it will happen after all his purpose for saving believers and building his kingdom in this present age had been accomplished and those purpose are accomplished when God works with human agents to bring them to past. Therefore, when Christians share the gospel with others (Matt 6:10) and advance the kingdom of God here on earth, they do "hasten" the fulfillment of God's purpose, including Christ's return according to Matthew 24:14.

The Apostle went further to tell us what will happen when the day of God comes, he said, "because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat". What heaven[b]S[/b] is he talking about? This heaven is in PLURAL with "s". There are three heavens in the bible, NOT seven. First is the abode of God and usually called heaven of heavens. Second and Third are the 2 heavens that belongs to our earth. The heaven called firmament which is our immediate sky (Gen. 1:8 ) Another heaven that belongs to our earth is the outer space, starry heaven where the sun, moon and stars are fixed in orbit. Gen 1:17, Isa. 40:22, Ps 19:4-6. Stars and other heavenly bodies been talked about here in 2 Peter 3:12 are NOT in our immediate sky.

So we have two heavens being referred to by Apostle Peter. How do I know? Simple because of the context that says, "and the elements". The elements here are the heavenly bodies known as the stars, moon and sun. They will all melt away and dissolved by fire at the coming of the day of God when there shall be a new earth and new heaven. The Apostle is NOT including the heaven that is the abode place of God but rather, the heavens that man explore. So verse 12 is telling us what will happen at the day of God or how the Lord will destroy this earth and heavens for a new heaven and a new earth.

BRILLIANT!!!!!! great read. very enlightening.

Goshen360: For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4 kjv

PARALLELS WITH Jude v 6,

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

In 2 Peter 2:4, it was "IF" God spared not the angels that sinned....it simply means God is not going to spare "sinners". What sin are we talking about here? We have to search out what was the sin of the angel that were not spared which applies to the sin of those that God will not spare also. In Jude verse 6, it was the sin of ungodliness (Jude 3) and sin of perverting of the grace of God as license for immoral living. it is also the sin of denying God and Jesus Christ. What is the sin of the angels that were not spared in 2 peter 2:4? it is the sin of rebellion because these angels rebelled with Lucifer.

These angels are Lucifer (Eze. 28: 11-17; Isa. 14:12-14, Luke 10:18 )

Angels who rebelled with Lucifer (Rev 12:3, 7-12) and the became destined to hell with Satan or Lucifer (Matt. 25:41, Isa. 24:21) and in Jude v 6 and 2 Pet. 2:4, they are called angel[b]S[/b] with plural, meaning it's not one but more than one apart from Lucifer.

So 2 peter is telling us, For "if" God spared not them those angels, God will not spare people who engage in such sins also according to Jude v 5. May God help us.

Nice one Chief and i appreciate the effort. Great read.

ZUBY77:

How can one explain or interpret what he doesnt understand? Its like asking a one year old baby to go and cook his own food.

thats why i specified ' brilliant bible scholars '