It would have been noted that apart from the Fulani people (many of who have skin colour resembling those of the Arabs), some Bini and Igbo people are light skinned. Why is this? I am proposing that in 1515 when Capuchin monks from Portugal made the first (but failed) attempt at evangelising Nigeria, these monks who operated mainly in the Bini Kingdom bleeped several Bini women whose offspring intermarried with the Delta-Igbos. These also intermarried with the Igbos, east of the Niger, and so on and so forth. Bla bla bla!

Frankly speaking, if you're light-skinned Bini or Igbo, go for blood test, you could qualify for Portuguese citizenship. lol.

binis are usually not stereotyped as light. try the other tribes in edo.

the esan according to their wiki page, actually claim to have a handful mixed with kpotokis.

as for the igbos, well, it is obvious they were eager to lick british nuts.

It would have been noted that apart from the Fulani people (many of who have skin colour resembling those of the Arabs)

most fulanis are dark.

Why is this? I am proposing that in 1515 when Capuchin monks from Portugal made the first (but failed) attempt at evangelising Nigeria, these monks who operated mainly in the Bini Kingdom bleeped several Bini women whose offspring intermarried with the Delta-Igbos. These also intermarried with the Igbos, east of the Niger, and so on and so forth. Bla bla bla!

why capuchin monks and not araboids from somewhere?


i doubt the current batch of light skin would be from as far back as that sha.


bodi no be wood, as they say.

read between the lines perhaps.

besides, there may have been white women in bini kingdom.

i think i read somewhere that the oba specifically asked for a white woman, and one was sent to him, although i dont know if she stayed.

anyone who wishes to disprove this, is free to do so. Like i said, i read it somewhere.

^

do not mistake the oba of benin for the olu of itsekiri who married a kpotoki woman.

#%&@:
^ do not mistake the oba of benin for the olu of itsekiri who married a kpotoki woman.

You're right. At the beginning of the 17th century, a son of the reigning Olu was sent to Portugal and returned with a Portuguese wife. Their son Antonio Domingo was Olu of Warri in the 1640s.

ok, maybe you're right.

couldnt find any links except this one:

http://www.josephkenny.joyeurs.com/ccta/CCTA3.htm

Patsey:

You're right. At the beginning of the 17th century, a son of the reigning Olu was sent to Portugal and returned with a Portuguese wife. Their son Antonio Domingo was Olu of Warri in the 1640s.

any pictures of antonio domingo?

tpia@:
ok, maybe you're right.

couldnt find any links except this one:

http://www.josephkenny.joyeurs.com/ccta/CCTA3.htm

like i said, do not confuse the olu for the oba.

^^couldnt find the link, so i modified my post.

maybe it was the olu of warri, cant say for sure.

tpia@:
^^couldnt find the link, so i modified my post.

maybe it was the olu of warri, cant say for sure.

and i modified also.

it seems oba esigie [16th century] might have brought a portuguese wife with him when he returned from portugal- not sure if he's the one i thought i read about.

just found something to that effect.

There are a lot of light skinned blacks and it has nothing to do with white or Arab blood as the other features remain absolutely black. We(especially our women) should reduce our obsession with being light skinned.

tpia@:
it seems oba esigie [16th century] might have brought a portuguese wife with him when he returned from portugal- not sure if he's the one i thought i read about.

just found something to that effect.

a lot has been written about esigie, but having a kpotoki wife who returned with him to benin, i am yet to read about.

Abagworo: There are a lot of light skinned blacks and it has nothing to do with white or Arab blood as the other features remain absolutely black. We(especially our women) should reduce our obsession with being light skinned.

i wonder.

and if arabs and europeans are the only source of light skin, so who are the light skinned yorubas mixed with? kpotokis also? or descendants of brazilian slaves? lol.

but hey, u gotta give everyone a chance to feed into the stereotype. altho, i do believe igbos licked a lot of british nuts though.

Wow. The europeans have really messed you guys opinion on blacks too much till the point you are giving them credit for something found within you.

There are many lightskin blacks including africans whom are 100% black.

SMH.

Patsey: It would have been noted that apart from the Fulani people (many of who have skin colour resembling those of the Arabs), some Bini and Igbo people are light skinned. Why is this? I am proposing that in 1515 when Capuchin monks from Portugal made the first (but failed) attempt at evangelising Nigeria, these monks who operated mainly in the Bini Kingdom bleeped several Bini women whose offspring intermarried with the Delta-Igbos. These also intermarried with the Igbos, east of the Niger, and so on and so forth. Bla bla bla!

Frankly speaking, if you're light-skinned Bini or Igbo, go for blood test, you could qualify for Portuguese citizenship. lol.

Psychotic Bigot!!

I'm Yoruba and light-skinned - and I'm 100% African..

lol, there's no mention of Oba Esigie or a Benin king from any time having a Portuguese wife anywhere (tradition or documents), but I can't rule out the possibility just on that alone. Kings had many wives back in those days.

It was an Olu of Warri, Don Domingos, that was known to have a Portuguese wife. I remember coming across the specific source for this. He married a Portuguese noblewoman, though I don't have access to the book which mentions her specific name (it's known) right now.


@ Patsey

Binis do not have a significant frequency of "lightskinned-ness" compared to some other surrounding groups such as Igbo or Ibibio. Meet actual Binis in large numbers, take a look around and you'll confirm it for yourself. The majority of us are "dark brown" to "medium" brown if you understand what I mean. So your theory kind of falls flat there. Binis are not one of those groups you can list with Igbo or Ibibio as a group that has a significant number of lighter skinned people.

By the way, why is it that "Caucasians" vary in skin color from an almost white paleness (think of the skin color of so called "ginger kids" or "gingers" ) to a more pinkish color or a pale beige color without claims of intermarrying with non-European groups, but people assume that once any black people aren't as dark as some Southern Sudanese (some of which might be even darker on average than some of the West African blacks who are considered dark enough not to be questioned about being mixed - a major problem for your argument), they're mixed with non-blacks? "Black" skin color varies, just like "White" skin color, or "Asian" skin color would.

^^^^^^^^ Do Igbo's Have Mixed Ancestry
https://www.nairaland.com/774700/igbos-mixed-ancestry

Kpotoki?hilarious. Nothing wey man pikin no go hear for dis playground.

@topic,if I knew 20 bini ladies, I'd say its just 1 or 2 of them that are light skinned.IMO, from personal encounter, binis are mostly chocolate and dark coffee coloured.
Btw, I really think that this notion of igbo girls are mostly light skinned is ridiculous and untrue.

Some binis do have fairer colour, though not too many, but i think the op's context might include parts of edo since they all used to be affiliated with benin kingdom prior to its breakup. Some areas in edo are very light and do look mixed.

What are these areas and how do they look mixed?

What group in Edo state has facial features that remind one of actual mixed blacks? Can you provide some examples of what you're referring to?



Honestly the OP's theory fell flat because it was based on the kingdom of Benin - not on areas surrounding the Benin kingdom that the Portuguese never went to and were not trying to Catholicize.

^just some places here and there have people who are obviously mixed but without explanation for the mixture.


The op's theory is interesting no doubt, but one would have to look at other areas where capuchin monks were active, in that era, and see if the same applies there.

Meaning are there mixed looking populations in such places, with no explained links or ties to account for them.

Also, one cant discount a more recent input of foreign genes which have to be kept secret for various reasons which you can guess at.

Btw, how do you know the monks or the europeans didnt go to other parts of benin kingdom?

They obviously went to warri and moved on to benin from there. They'd have passed other settlements while doing so.

tpia@:
Btw, how do you know the monks or the europeans didnt go to other parts of benin kingdom?

They obviously went to warri and moved on to benin from there. They'd have passed other settlements while doing so.

Please in the name of Amadioha stop talking about this mixed theory. It disgusts me. I've seen many fair people from Uromi and Ubiaja but I've not sampled enough of them to determine the frequency but one thing for sure is that they are pure blacks like myself.

^^your discomfort with the subject doesnt mean others shouldnt discuss it?

all you have to do is not click on the thread title.

i have no idea where uromi or ubiaja are, dont know what you're talking about.

are you referring to pat utomi and if so, would you be disturbed to find out he has non-black dna in his ancestry?

tpia@:
^^your discomfort with the subject doesnt mean others shouldnt discuss it?

all you have to do is not click on the thread title.

i have no idea where uromi or ubiaja are, dont know what you're talking about.

are you referring to pat utomi and if so, would you be disturbed to find out he has non-black dna in his ancestry?

If you are a Nigerian and you aren't stuck to your locality, you should have known Uromi and Ubiaja are towns in the Esan speaking part of Edo State. Up in the Northern part of Edo in the Etsako area, you might get some Fulani mix but that is all. Maybe you met one of such Fulani mixed families and concluded that Edo people are mixed.

tpia@:
^just some places here and there have people who are obviously mixed but without explanation for the mixture.


The op's theory is interesting no doubt, but one would have to look at other areas where capuchin monks were active, in that era, and see if the same applies there.

Meaning are there mixed looking populations in such places, with no explained links or ties to account for them.

Also, one cant discount a more recent input of foreign genes which have to be kept secret for various reasons which you can guess at.

I actually wanted some specifics about "who" "where" and why you thought they looked mixed. Not "some places here and there" and not an assertion of "obviously mixed" without any elaboration on what's so "obviously" mixed about them.

The fact that the group in that area that seems (from available evidence) to have had the most interaction with the Portuguese - the Bini - is darkskinned on average and rarely light compared to some other Nigerian groups should tell you that the OP's theory has basically nothing going for it. And as I said before, there are blacks in other places in Africa such as southern Sudan who seem to be clearly darker on average than some allegedly "unmixed" black groups in West Africa, so we already know that there's a natural variation in skin color among black populations independent of mixing with non blacks and we'd need to base conjectures about groups being mixed on something more than just skin color.

tpia@:
Btw, how do you know the monks or the europeans didnt go to other parts of benin kingdom?

They obviously went to warri and moved on to benin from there. They'd have passed other settlements while doing so.

I honestly don't know that they didn't go to other parts of the kingdom of Benin, but there's also nothing I've come across to suggest that they actually did go to and stay in, much less try to Catholicize anywhere beyond the Bini area. And even then, their presence in the Bini area seems to have been limited to Ughoton and the capital (there's not even any mention of them going to Udo or Urhonigbe for example).

But if you've come across a source showing they might have had a presence elsewhere, please post it.

Abagworo:

If you are a Nigerian and you aren't stuck to your locality, you should have known Uromi and Ubiaja are towns in the Esan speaking part of Edo State. Up in the Northern part of Edo in the Etsako area, you might get some Fulani mix but that is all. Maybe you met one of such Fulani mixed families and concluded that Edo people are mixed.

are etsako and esan the only places you know?

PhysicsQED:

I actually wanted some specifics about "who" "where" and why you thought they looked mixed. Not "some places here and there" and not an assertion of "obviously mixed" without any elaboration on what's so "obviously" mixed about them.

The fact that the group in that area that seems (from available evidence) to have had the most interaction with the Portuguese - the Bini - is darkskinned on average and rarely light compared to some other Nigerian groups should tell you that the OP's theory has basically nothing going for it. And as I said before, there are blacks in other places in Africa such as southern Sudan who seem to be clearly darker on average than some allegedly "unmixed" black groups in West Africa, so we already know that there's a natural variation in skin color among black populations independent of mixing with non blacks and we'd need to base conjectures about groups being mixed on something more than just skin color.

the op specified light skin, but it doesnt mean light skin is the only indicator of non-black dna. Its just the easiest or most visible evidence, that's all.