Jetleeee:
Isn't this the same clown that was arguing that Rivers state is more industrialized than Ogun state?

Boyo, shove your opinions up your ass

Their 'notice me' antics are played out. Watch him flip monikers and start flooding the thread with pictures of Onitsha and Oka.

Revolva:


bro i mean okun people in yoruba is relative small...compared to ebiras n igalas...ok

i did not say they are not yorubas....i am not sure they can merge with the SW anymore ok...its too late.....

Smh. Guy, is that how much you hate the Okuns?? I wanna believe that you don't have comprehension problem, coz this thread is about the umbrella Okun socio-cultural group saying that they want exactly what you are saying is too late for them. Dude, you're not even one of them, yet you're talking crap like you know what's best for them. Na wah for you o.

You even derided them earlier by calling their part of the state underdeveloped, yet you don't want them to reunite with their brothers in other to better their lot. So obviously you enjoy their second-class and underdeveloped status so that you people can continue to marginalize them. But guess what? You are a joker. You don already fail coz they will be reunited with their kith and kin, and you will be alive to witness it. #Real talk. #Enemy of progress.

YonkijiSappo:


Etsu in Lokoja?
Where is his palace biko?

As for the bolded part, abeg, Okun is "very small" compared to who or what? What is the entire population of your tribe?
They are part of the Yoruba nation, and Yorubas are definitely not "small". How won't you call them small and undeveloped when una don corner their lands into your region for decades, and starved it of development.

Lol. Abeg help me school the chap. Plenty ignorant people full this thread.

almarthins:


Oya prove am! Person wey sabi...gera out here. Kaba province is in the Midwest near osse river thank say I sabi d area. So where u get ur own findings. I shake my head for ur ignorance

Omofunaab2 is actually correct. In the context of this news report and discussion, since amalgamation, the Okuns have never been in the same geographical region as their Yoruba brothers in the current SouthWest. Awolowo failed in his attempt to have them included as part of the Western Region back then, the military also saw to it that they were wrongly ceded to the 'Middlebelt/North Central'.

dee02:


Baba e bastar.d
Mama e bastar...do
You bloody bastar d raise to power 2.
Amadioha blow your balls into smithereens

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Viergeachar:


Kilo fa ija bayi?

Oya, e jebure!

Bro, though I may not be from the Okun Yoruba clan but I am an unapologetic Yoruba nonetheless and I am an advocate of a Yoruba republic. He took the first shot when he said:

The basta rds agitating for Oodua Republic and Biafra are a disgrace to the human race and unity.
Nigeria is one, we will go down in this lifetime as one
I repeat nobody will cause or ratify any disintegration of this nation.
Fu cking brainless joggernauts of destruction!
Eni kuuure gbogbo eyin omo ale jatijati liepods and Oodua republic agitators oshi

The foo.l is even an hausa sef.

dee02:
The basta rds agitating for Oodua Republic and Biafra are a disgrace to the human race and unity.
Nigeria is one, we will go down in this lifetime as one
I repeat nobody will cause or ratify any disintegration of this nation.
Fu cking brainless joggernauts of destruction!
Eni kuuure gbogbo eyin omo ale jatijati liepods and Oodua republic agitators oshi

Shut tha funk up there, you shameless 'one Nigeria' unity-beggar. Nigeria will disintegrate before your very eyes and heaven will not fall. Odenson.

Olu317:
My point is to give them recognition once such demand arises. I am also not a fan of disorderliness. Life is about choice,which made Edo chose their own identity and so be it All that can make Odu'a nation great is all that matters.

I don't think it's in our character as a people to reject our kith and kin who are not ashamed of their own history and roots. But at the same time, I also don't think it wise to belabour those who reject their own history. That's their problem. Like you said, life is about choices.

Olu317:
Yes they are there. And they have been surviving for centuries. They are known as OLUKUMI.

But do those people consider themselves or see themselves as Yorubas today? That's the koko. A person is whomever he says he is. I don't buy into this idea of trying to cajole people into seeing themselves as something they've voluntarily rejected, irrespective of their authentic history. That is the same mistake some SE-based Igbo people make and which causes them a lot of needless embarrassment amongst supposed Igboid minorities in the SS.

omohayek:

Speaking just for myself here, unless the groups in question were geographically contiguous to the main body of Yorubaland, I would prefer that such groups be given the option of either relocating outright or staying where they are. Even if others agreed to allow the secession of islands of minorities within their own states - and I'm doubtful such agreement would be forthcoming - what happens if, for example, the surrounding state goes to war with a third country, and one such isolated territory is overrun? How easy would it be to stop the entire country being pulled into a conflict it has no vital interest in, merely in the defense of this isolated territory?

A superpower like the USA can get away with having territories that are disconnected from its mainland (e.g. Alaska and Hawaii), but even then these American territories aren't surrounded by potentially foreign countries. Despite such advantages, the bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941 was enough to pull the USA into all-out war with Japan, and as recently as 1982 the UK went to war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands, a bunch of isolated rocks of low economic value. Wars are expensive in both money and human lives, even when they're won, and they're the last thing a new state in dire need of economic development should be indulging in, not for the sake of small communities which have the choice to immigrate if they so desire.

This is how I feel as well. We have to be prepared for a situation in which some Yorubas, especially some that are domiciled outside of the current SW geographical region, might actually choose not to want to be a part of the republic, at least initially. I don't think this should be taken personally and such a development, in my opinion, shouldn't deter us nor terminate our ambitions of having a majority and independent Yoruba country (the first and only one of its kind in the world). With a population of approximately 40-million or more, we are definitely eligible and qualified to have our own country. While all Yorubas should be welcome in such a republic, I also think it'll be unrealistic to expect everyone to buy into it, just as not all Jews reside in Israel, but in the event of persecution they always know they have a homeland to return to. Germany and Austria are populated by ethnic Germans who are fine with being separate independent countries. And even in their case, Hitler failed in his attempt to forcefully unite them during WW2. Today, there are ethnic Germans all over Europe and they're o.k where they're at.

FFKfuckedBIANCA:
You na go just dey fall my hand. Must you respond to that thing? Dont quote him. Ignore him.

Noted.

ColonelDrake:

Nope, it will be the other way around. The yoruba Muslims will be pushed back to futa jalon to do a full time job licking the abokiiissss hairy assesss. One Nigeria is the reason why we haven't see the bad side of islam yet in the SW. I already have a notion of what you guys can do. The bunch of islamic extremists I saw in my undergraduate days will not be forgotten so soon. I'm not even a christian, yet preaching on the bus by Christians doesn't affect me in any way. Even if it infringes on my right, hey jts something i can let go or overlook. The Muslims on the flip side wont tolerate such. You see them scattering and destroying school facilities and declaring fatwah abi fatai just because of preaching that doesn't hurt anyone. They forget how they disturb everyone's sleep in the morning as well but heck no one makes a fuss about it. Since then i will never forget how violent and intolerant you guys are.

And I have also seen here on Nl how oau has now become breeding ground for islamist extremist. All these happening in the SW.

Now they want to make our children study arabic, and guess what, yoruba muslims have no problem with it, hence the reason why the defend this islamic evil apshit govt with their blood. Islam must be propagated. Ko le werk

With all due respect guy, I suggest you work on your mind coz you seem to be gradually losing control of it. Secondly, just so you know, I am NEITHER a Christian or a Muslim so again you're way off in your assumption as to my religious affiliation.

We are here to talk and fashion out a way forward for all Yorubas irrespective of their clan or religious affiliation, on how best to build a country where we can all feel at home and unencumbered by the factors that have rendered Nigeria unworkable today. Since you obviously don't share our perspective and vision of building such a society, it's all well and good coz not all Yorubas will choose to live in such a republic as we are proposing. Which was why I suggested that you consider porting to the Biafran side where you will feel more at home with likeminds that share your views.

What you are proposing is nothing short of a [religious] CIVIL WAR within the Yoruba nation, a proposition that will NEVER EVER fly.

ColonelDrake:

Yoruba Muslims don't have the mind of their own. Don't let anyone tell you any sugarcoated lie. As you can see, none was able to answer your question directly; just beating around the bush. This is why they're consider inferior Muslims by the North.

Guy, unfortunately for you, you are on your own with this your 'Yoruba Muslim' talk. Hey, it's a free world, so if you hate 'Yoruba Muslims' so much, you are free to 'port' to the Biafran side where you will find likeminds, coz this your mindless and divisive drivel will NEVER gain traction in Yorubaland. Ko jo.

Truth is that I don't blame this delusional OP. It's the busy-body Yorubas that don't know how to mind their business on this board that I blame. I'm talking about the ones that are perpetually bringing disgrace and ridicule not just to themselves but our race, by always yapping about 'igbo properties', 'igbo investments', and all manner of crap, as if Igbo people are the only non-indigenes in Yorubaland that have properties and investments for goodness sakes. There are South-South people that also own properties as well as investments in the SW, ditto Northerners, and even non-Nigerians sef. But some shameless unity-beggers who have lost their senses will not allow us to hear word again (perhaps because they fvcking one Shinwere and Ngozi), so they keep disturbing us and embarrassing themselves while making these people feel important. No be una fault.

FFKfuckedBIANCA:
The Asian Tigers; Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan and South Korea which are traditioinally known for their financial centers and global manufacturing in automobiles and electronic components, are also placing high premium on information technology.

I agree that IT would be very crucial in the economic development of the future Yoruba country. The Smart City and The Lagos Coding Centers initiatives is an indication that Lagos State government is thinking in that direction already. I hope all other States in the West will soon key into this.

Definitely bro. Every SW/Yoruba state must key into it by replicating what Lagos is doing. Though it's already happening in other parts of the SW, just needs to be scaled up. We are beginning to see tech hubs and incubators springing up in other cities/states outside Lag. E.g, iBridgeHub, Wennovation, and EccoHub all at Ibadan. Some of our lads are also getting accepted into world-renowned tech accelerators as well.

Lanre Oyedokun's Big Data Startup (Delivery Science), Iyinoluwa Aboyadeji's Flutterwave, Adetunji Adegbesan's Gidi Mobile, and Shola Akinlade's Paystack were all accepted into Google's LaunchPad Accelerator at the same time -- all 4 of them are the only Nigerian tech startups accepted into the program.

And they've all attracted more than a million dollars each in funding.

There's also ACI, at Osun, a school where all they do is teach Robotics to Kids.

http://venturesafrica.com/at-this-nigerian-school-all-they-do-is-build-robots/

Deedeedee3:
The top 5 largest companies on planet are all dominated by technology companies.
Exxonmobil and chevron oil company that used to be the largest have all been overtaken by tech companies.
List of largest companies by Market capitalization.
Apple inc - 830 billon US dollars.
Alphabet inc - 670 billion US dollars.
Microsoft corp - 555 billion US dollars.
Amazon.com - 490 billion US dollars.
Facebook inc - 445 billion Us dollars.
Note: Alphabet inc which is the 2nd largest company is the parent company of Google.
Notable tech companies to mention are:
Alibaba - 370 billion US dollars.
Tencent- 345 billion US dollars.

Samsung - 265 billion US dollars.
Oracle - 205 billion US dollars.
Cisco - 165 billion US dollars.
Intel - 165 billion dollars.
Most of these companies are larger than oil companies.
Exxon mobil is valued at 343 billion dollars.
Chevron is valued at 204 billion dollars.
Oodua republic will focus more on technology and not crude oil. Human resources is the key not natural resources.
Asari dokuba and his people that shout "our oyel" can go and drink their oyel.
Nigeria must separate.

My brother, believe me when I tell you that quickest route to joining the billionaires club today as an entrepreneur is via tech. The old brick-and-mortar Oil & Gas, Manufacturing/Industry, Banking routes are still valid routes of course, but have more/higher barriers of entry. Whereas in tech, all you need is an innovative/disruptive idea or solution to a common problem, get it off the ground either by bootstrapping or seeking funds, gain some traction to validate its viability and attract more funding, and you are on your way. From the data I showed earlier, most of all those billions generated in India were via Software exports and not hardware. What's a software? They're lines of code written in a machine/computer readable language to perform a set of functions. In other words, your knowledge of that language alone can enable you capture more value than an industrial machinery would to a struggling SME.

Like bro Omohayek mentioned earlier, there's a lot of private capital out there (running into billions of dollars), in the hands of individuals and venture capitalists who are looking for ideas/individuals to invest in. But we need an enabling environment to enable us take advantage of these opportunities.

kozmicity:

Even if Nigeria is divided into regions...do you think they'll still be hope?

Well, I'll take a regional system/arrangement over the current system anyday.

omohayek:

Better that we run a lean, efficient, taxpayer-funded government that recognizes upfront the primacy of the private sector, instead of one where thieving politicians fight over whose "turn" it is to "chop" from a "national cake", and then use overstaffed, inefficient parastatals and government organizations to reward their followers with deadweight "jobs". Taxpayers should be able to feel outraged at the sight of lazy, absentee or corrupt government workers, and have a reasonable expectation of seeing their anger translated into effective action by politicians who want to keep their jobs and can't rely on godfather funding to do so.

Bro, I couldn't agree with you more on the overstaffed/overbloated civil service. Truth be told, the SW civil service sector is way overbloated with ghost workers everywhere and government workers who thrive on inefficiency. By the time the governors are done paying salaries, there's little much left to execute projects. It took the current oil slump to jolt us and expose this HUGE problem.

Dalek:


I never meant depend on mineral resources as a permanent earning. it's just a case using what we have to get to where we need to be.
We have skillful and innovation human resources no doubt and ICT is the new crude oil but as a new nation who needs all the revenue we can get, exploring and exploiting our lands and resources in a sane possible way will help shore up our forex while using those earnings to develop the new sectors.

Agriculture can also not be left behind, we have a nation to feed and fast. creating an enabling environment for it's development and strategic food reservation silos to create surplus b4 export can begin.

To be sure, mining, industrialization, and agric sectors mustn't and won't be neglected. California for example rakes in 10s of billions of dollars from its Agric sector annually. But that sector needs to be completely overhauled in the SW. Mechanized farming/agric and value addition to Agro produce and outputs is the way to go.

omohayek:

Excellent! If I could dash you 10,000 likes, I would: you've provided some hard numbers that should help give others some perspective on where the future lies. Scrambling over oil or mineral rents belongs in the dustbin of the past - technology is where the real money already is, and this trend will only intensify going forward.

Nigeria is not a serious country at all. Imagine a country of more than a 150-million people trying to subsist on a paltry $36-billion from its mono-revenue source -- crude oil sales?? That amount is not even enough for the SW alone sef, not to talk of the entire country. Please, how will that country develop? The kind of revenues that could be generated from tech would make oil money look like mere pittance, I tell you. That's why I shake my head in pity and disgust when some people still make useless noises about 'our oyel'. Oyel that is losing its value by the day.

omohayek:

If all of our young people are given a stable environment with low corruption, steady power, cheap, high-speed broadband, and easier access to investment, there will be many, many more new companies being created to replace any snatched up by the likes of Google and Facebook :-) The very success of those bought out will encourage many others hoping to get the same kind of payday. Besides, today's entrepreneur bought out by Google/Facebook/Apple is tomorrow's angel investor in new startups.

To buttress your point, here's what I wrote on the subject on our other joint (parapo) sometime ago, using India as a case study:

Our Yoruba intellectuals, economists, and leaders need to get real and upgrade their thinking on more sustainable ways of diversifying our economic base coz the current thinking of seeing industrialization and agriculture as the only panacea to our economic development is backward, IMO.

If I could suggest, I would advise that we adopt the Indian I.T model considering its phenomenal success. The non-oil sector needs some serious revenue earners than the traditional Cocoa and other agro exports to more big dollar earning revenue generators.

Take for instance, according to an Economic Survey conducted in 2011-2012, Software accounts for 41.7% of the total services exports from India. NASSCOM estimated that India’s IT and BPO sector (excluding hardware) revenues were US$ 87.6 billion in 2011-12, generating direct employment for nearly 2.8 million persons and indirect employment of around 8.9 million. As a proportion of national GDP, IT and ITeS sector revenues grew from 1.2 per cent in 1997-8 to an estimated 7.5 per cent in 2011-12. Software exports in 2011-12 were estimated at US$69 billion compared to US$59 billion in 2010-11.



Now here's where it gets really sweet. In the 2014/15 financial year alone, the IT industry in India generated an annual revenue of around US$120 billion, a significant increase from around US$60 billion in 2008/09. Of this revenue in 2015, the majority, US$98.1 billion, was generated in exports while domestic revenue totaled more than US$20 billion.

I am sure you observed the progression in theose revenue figures? Those are the sort of earnings that we ought to be targeting. The sorts that will render oil revenues useless to us as an independent country and provide the needed funds for us to develop our infrastructure to world-class standards. And the good thing about it is that it's doable. If India of all places can do it then I see no reason why Yorubaland can't either (though I would prefer we do this in our own sovereign country). All we need to achieve this is visionary leadership that is willing to do what it takes to make it happen, and preferably our own country so we won't be held back by bad-belle people and the infamous Nigerian factor.

Personally, I see a lot of promise in the Big Data Analytics space and am already upgrading my I.T skills in order to get into the space. Again as we speak, the Indians dominate this growing I.T sector because they were visionary enough to have invested enormously in educating and positioning their people to be at the forefront in that space.

The 'Our Oyel' neighbours are still stuck on 'Oyel money', 2x2 trading, importation of substandard merchandise, drug-trafficking, and what have you as their only hope of economic viability.

We have to see beyond waiting for investors, both local and foreign, that would turn the rest of the SW into the next Ogun by way of industrialization. IMO, the service sector, particularly I.T-related, holds more promise.

omohayek:

Mineral resources are not the means to long-term wealth, human resources are. Mineral resources are actually a huge part of why Nigeria is a failing state - read up on the resource curse: leaders who don't depend on the taxes they raise from their citizens have less incentive to pay attention to what they want, while the prospect of being able to cream off unearned wealth from resource extraction turns politics into a "do or die" affair where everybody running for office wants their turn to "chop" from the "national cake".

Avoiding resource-related issues is one reason why I am strongly against extending any prospective state towards the Niger-Delta in the name of embracing the Itsekiri. If it were up to me, even the oil found off the coast of Ondo and Lagos would go up in flames tomorrow. It's time we stopped distracting ourselves with such lazy-minded nonsense and focused on learning the science and technology of tomorrow: what natural resources do the likes of Hong Kong, the Netherlands, Taiwan, Japan, Switzerland and South Korea have?

I concur, absolutely. We already have some of our young people doing some very impressive stuff in the science and tech space, that need to be encouraged. But with the system on ground, they'll probably end up frustrated and getting snatched/poached by the likes of Google and Facebook.

kozmicity:


Acting under the advice of honeychild...

Ah don stop Benin matter...lrmme bring anoda arguement...

Must Yoruba people come outside and agitate like Igbo people before the aknowledge that we want secession??

In my view, I don't think we necessarily have to do that. I have to admit that secessionist tendencies are not as widespread amongst our people as it is with youknowhos -- I attribute this to various reasons. However, I think it's getting to a point where even Yorubas are beginning to confront the very likely possibility of a post-Nigerian future. The least we can all do is to begin to align our orientation to this very likely possibility. It's better to be prepared than to be caught off guard. I believe the theme of this thread aptly captures that shifting orientation by some of us. Only a fool would not be anxious about where Nigeria's headed with the current state of affairs.

Personally, I've always been of the view that Nigeria as a country is living on borrowed time. And that we all can actually be better neighbours and respect our boundaries as separate countries, coz by now, if we have to be frank with ourselves, the extant arrangement is simply not working, and will probably never work.

forgiveness:



Ilu ibinu.. Ibinu... Benin

Bros, e ignore boy yen. Please. O kan ma wa da thread yi ru ni.

Dalek:


said same too, we have nothing in come with dem, dey are big enough to stand alone. this are pple dat will cuz wahala in the future

Exactly. The edos especially are very caustic in their approach, and lack any iota of diplomacy. If we continue to indulge them they will turn this thread on its head with their rofo-rofo tactics.

But I thought it had already been earlier established that the Edos and Deltans will have no part in nor dragged into this? Why are some of us then indulging them, seeing how they are already derailing this thread now with their foolishness. Na this sort of headache they go carry come enter the new nation. Abeg make una free them. I can't shout abeg.

Afonja again?

forgiveness:




He is right on point based on the @bolded.

He even forgot to mention Niger state where we have Jebba.

Bro, I can't shout o. You never see as the Edos and Deltas have already come in here to denounce their inclusion? I just don't want anyone calling us name that isn't ours.

Omofunaab2:



Yeah, the awujale's stance seems to correlate with that of Oba akinruntan..

But how come we all try to shy away from that discussion that there might have been the possibility of some settlers in Ile ife before the advent of Oduduwa?

To be honest with you, I have no problem with some Yorubas choosing not to acknowledge Oduduwa as their progenitor. Ife had been in existence with inhabitants before Oduduwa's advent. I place more premium on Ife as our source than on Oduduwa as our progenitor. Oduduwa's story is laced with so much legend and myth anyway. That's just me though.

Omofunaab2:
Please kindly ignore the fulani guy above

He's a morafockin attention seeker. Even some of his own kinsmen have expressed willingness to stand alone if need be. Omo irankiran ni.