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Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 2:14pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
Mujtahida:You too |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 2:11pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
frank317:It seems you're trying to not get the point. The ability to do the opposite of what the creator wants is part of free will. If you're provided with just rice, you'll keep eating rice. You're not exercising your will here, cos you have no options to choose from. But if we provide beans and you still keep eating rice, then we can say you like rice because you have willingly chosen rice. The beans and rice was provided. You should get the point now. frank317: frank317:Yes. frank317: Yes he knew (foreknowledge) frank317:The point is to show that his sovereignty is not threatened by the the ability of his creatures to rebel against him. So, every creature obeys him not because it's compelled to do so or cannot do otherwise, but because he loves the creator and WANTS to serve Him frank317:You should be grateful to him that he gave you the ability to think the way you think and not think like an animal (no insult intended please). He's not living by trial and error. He's omniscient. frank317:My getting to heaven will be as a result of my exercising my will to serve Him while in this mortal body. frank317:Yes. frank317:No. When Satan and his cohorts rebelled aeons ago, no angel has rebelled since then. Was their freewill taken away after then? No. frank317: If that's how you chose to understand it, Yes. frank317: frank317:He expected us to make the right choice. Even when that freedom of choice has been abused, it's still there till today. That's why some some of us can choose to serve God and people like you can choose not to serve God. I serve God not because of the fear of hell. If there was no hell, I'll still serve Him. And it's a choice I've made and don't intend to change in the future or eternity to come, come what may. |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 1:25pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
Mujtahida:I stand by my word, you don't understand Christianity, you think you do. And there's nothing like Bible god. There's just one God and the Holy Bible bears witness to this God. Since you have decided your own path, it's your choice. You're not ready to be helped. But I must say, God loves you and He's more than willing to accept you anytime you turn back to him, even after you've said all these about Him. In case you find yourself in that position one day, just say Lord I confess that I'm a sinner, please forgive me all my sins. I accept you as my lord and personal saviour. |
Religion / Re: Is It Me Or Are Pastors Getting Madder By The Day? by Bolaji21(m): 1:16pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
superhumanist:Yes, prophecy. Our God knew it will happen that's why He informed us ahead so we can be prepared for it. It could have been avoided, but that lies with we men, not God. I can't guess how it sounds to you, and I'm not sure if you read my post or reading something else into it. By we, do you mean atheists or Christians? Cos we Christians are doing something about it as it's a family affair. At no point did I say nothing should be done about it. I'm curious, what do you intend to do about it? |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 10:03pm On Aug 27, 2017 |
Mujtahida:The fact that quantum physics doesn't make sense to me as an accountant doesn't mean quantum physics doesn't make sense. Point of correction, there's just one God and the Bible bears witness of Him. Instead of me ranting that quantum physics doesn't make (just like some students do nowadays), the right thing to do is to get someone to help me understand, if I want to understand, or I just walk away, if I don't want to understand. You might do well to share your problems with christianity here, so you can be helped. |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 9:36pm On Aug 27, 2017 |
frank317:Free will is not packaged with evil/sin. But the creature has the ability to do the opposite of what the creator wants. If the creature can't, then that's not free will. frank317:God created EVERYTHING. Creatures earned the ability to sin when they have free will. I don't know your definition of free will if there's no possibility of rebellion. Free will is the ability to do as you please, whether for or against your creator. If that's not the definition, then it's no longer free will but CONTROLLED WILL. frank317: You think he must have done something wrong because of your disposition towards him. frank317:As I've stated earlier, free will comes with the ability to act for or against the creator. If that is not a possibility, then it's not free will but CONTROLLED/REGULATED WILL. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 3:28pm On Aug 27, 2017 |
frank317:God created everything (all spirit beings in this case). He created them with free will so they can serve him by their own free will, not because they were compelled to do so or they have no alternatives. God's idea of Kingdom is a kingdom of King and Kings, not king and subjects. He wants to be a king of Kings, not king of subjects. They (spirit beings) existed and served God for aeons. Then one of them felt he has earned the right to rule the kingdom, instead of the creator ruling. He thought of an insurrection and knew he needed followers to do that. He managed to convince 1/3 of the angelic population. They began the insurrection as planned. God didn't stampede them. Another created being (Michael) led the remaining 2/3 to defeat this 1/3 rebels. As we all know, a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. The rebels were stripped off everything that glorifies them and were exiled. In my own opinion, this is justice and love. You see failure, but I don't think that's correct. We might have been able to argue it as failure if 2/3 of the angels decided to rebel - then we can say maybe God must have been a bad King. If God had created these brings WITHOUT FREE WILL and they still rebelled, then God must have been a poor creator. Because, if a car manufacturer manufactures a non-automatic car and the car begins to control itself at some point, then the blame goes to the manufacturer. But these beings were created with FREE WILL. Are we clear on that sir? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Is It A Sin For A Born Again Christian To Drink Palm Wine? by Bolaji21(m): 11:40pm On Aug 26, 2017 |
asuustrike2009:Yes. Just as we bless our food before eating. |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 11:09pm On Aug 26, 2017 |
frank317:Thanks for your civil response. Shall we continue each point one after the other tomorrow? |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 1:40pm On Aug 26, 2017 |
frank317:Since you have decided to become her defendant and refuse to observe instead, let's continue then. Now, tell me the part of Jesus' death that isn't clear to you and I'll make it clear. I wanted her to ask a direct question so I can give a direct answer. |
Religion / Re: Is It A Sin For A Born Again Christian To Drink Palm Wine? by Bolaji21(m): 10:30pm On Aug 25, 2017 |
Fabulous7:The question is easily answered. The next time a born again Christian finds himself with a cup of palmwine, let him lay his hands on it, pray and invite Jesus, then drink on. |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 10:03pm On Aug 25, 2017 |
frank317:As I said earlier, just observe. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Is It Me Or Are Pastors Getting Madder By The Day? by Bolaji21(m): 10:59am On Aug 24, 2017 |
superhumanist:You misunderstood me. I didn't deny that Christians can do those crazy things. In fact, I said it's not surprising cos it's been prophecied. And as for empathy, your post wasn't about the members, but the pastors. |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 7:14am On Aug 24, 2017 |
frank317:I prefer her style of responding and I'd rather continue my chat with her. I never said she doesn't have a right and I didn't label her. I only asked simple questions. I'd suggest you stay and observe. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 6:16pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
Proudgorgeousga:I like your thinking, it's commendable. @bolded, It's ridiculous cos you can't understand why an omnipotent God can't just forgive all without having to kill Jesus first, right? |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 4:36pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
Proudgorgeousga:Yes, I noticed too. And your dp is about the most popular man in history whom seem not to like. Why choose Him of all things that you can use as DP? The questions will keep birthing more questions. So, no need to continue. The summary is that you're obsessed with religion (Christianity of course, and Jesus) and you spend most of your time here defending your obsession. If I may ask, why do you hate religion, Christianity and Jesus? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Why Are There Many Different Religions. by Bolaji21(m): 4:23pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
dalaman:Man was designed as a derived being, able to convey a higher being. Man is also to tame the earth. This rare feature made man adventurous by nature and also domineering by instinct. The 2 features above, made early men in various parts of the world go on adventure to seek the Unknown. Some encountered strange beings and derived knowledge from them. With the support of these beings, these men became powerful enough to command worship (religion is birthed). Why didn't man stop at one religion? Because the 'hollow' in him can only be filled by One Being - The Creator. So, man kept exploring. Man in this context mean "men in various times on various parts of the world". 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 3:58pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
Proudgorgeousga:You're dodging the question. Everybody has a family, but does everyone comment/visit family section? Does that mean they don't have a family? No. Is that odd? No it's not. But it becomes odd when a fella claims not to have (or intend/wish to have) a family, yet spends most of his time on nairaland in the family section. Or maybe I should ask, did you study or are you studying philosophy/religion/history in school? Cos those are the fields that may propel interest in religion even though you claim not to have one. Instead of putting up a defense, just ask yourself the question and answer yourself. When you have an answer, you may share with me. |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 3:32pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
Proudgorgeousga:Yes, I understand. But it still doesn't change the fact that most of your comments are on RELIGION section. The question still stands - why is that so? I rest my case. |
Religion / Re: Is It Me Or Are Pastors Getting Madder By The Day? by Bolaji21(m): 3:00pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
superhumanist:Dear Superhumanist, Nothing is wrong with Christianity: God has not changed and he won't. The Bible doesn't have a second edition yet. But as for the mortals you mentioned, they're obviously not representing the God of the Christians in this matter. But we as Christians are not ashamed, neither are really surprised because it has been recorded centuries before now that such events will occur. This further strengthens rather than weaken our faith in the omniscient God whom we believe and serve. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Epic Response To An Astronaut Who Said 'I See No God Up Here' by Bolaji21(m): 2:46pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
faseblex:It's either the astronaut doesn't know science well enough or is just a religious fanatic (or both). The very foundations of Science was built not on what CAN BE SEEN, but what CAN BE PROVEN. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 2:38pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
Proudgorgeousga:You obviously didn't get the point. Topics from at least 10 sections of nairaland make front page daily, and only the religious ones catches your interest? Don't forget that this thread didn't make front page, so you couldn't have gotten here through front page. Now, of the 20+ sections on nairaland, you spend most of your time on nairaland in RELIGION and family section. That doesn't add up. Cos We'd have expected that you'll never visit the religion section. For example, I don't think I've ever visited the fashion section. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 2:16pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
superhumanist:If you just BELIEVE IN CRonaldo, that's enough to be a religion. But if you BELIEVE IN CRonaldo TO. And by the way, Yes, soccer is a religion to some people. |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 2:11pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
Proudgorgeousga:They are the same in context, they just have differences in practice. BELIEF IN is the key phrase. Man as a creature was designed to BELIEF IN something and by extension worship it. Worship means to show REFERENCE. Now, other religions have predefined ways of showing reverence to their object. But in your own case, you show reverence spontaneously. One example is your staying active in RELIGION section on nairaland. another example, is your replying to my posts here instead of passing by. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 1:53pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
superhumanist:Help me check yours and provide the definitions. Or let me help: RELIGION IS BELIEF IN SOMETHING (OR SOMEONE). Ask yourself why your most active section on nairaland is religion section, of all sections on nairaland. And ask yourself why you felt the need to defend and agitate for this belief of yours. |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 1:34pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
Proudgorgeousga: |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 12:45pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
superhumanist:That's what the deceiver has made you believe. Define RELIGION and see for yourself. |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 12:43pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
superhumanist:The atheist obviously did an incomplete job on you, cos he succeeded in turning you to deist, and not an atheist. You may sound better if you put points forward to establish the validity and soundness of your religion, deism. |
Religion / Re: If Evans Is Given State Pardon And Became A Pastor, Can God Use Him Like Paul? by Bolaji21(m): 11:14pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
Beosten:Can God use him? Yes, if he becomes born again. What God will use for will depend on what God intended him to do when he brought him into existence. Can God use him like Paul? No. Why? Paul was a radical follower of Judaism (which was later useful). Evans is a criminal. Do you know what happened to criminals in the Bible? They were crucified! |
Religion / Re: Is Hell Real Or A Metaphor ? by Bolaji21(m): 11:06pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
Idango:To doubt the existence of hell is to doubt the very existence of God. Jesus was not been metaphorical whrn he was talking about hell. In luke 16:19-31, Jesus told us a story that gives tangible insight as to what happens after death. Verse 23 and 24 reads 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame Verse 23 makes us know the rich man was in torment. And verse 24 makes us know how he was been tormented - flames. Now, is there any other literal way to show that hell is real? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Why Atheists Must Preach And Evangelise by Bolaji21(m): 10:55pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
superhumanist:And what are atheists supposed to be preaching? That God doesn't exist and all religions are false, right? That in itself, is RELIGION. Some people BELIEVE there's God, and some BELIEVE there's no God. Both categories BELIEVE some thing. |
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