chrisley024:

D@ guy is not wat we need beside Carrick. Replays show he is @ fault for the last 3 goals. Another average player added to his likes. We should get our money back from Everton.

Fellaini just had an exceptionally bad day today. Dude hasn't been all bad since he got to OT.
What about Valencia?? Carrick himself was a joke.

I'm surprised no one is remembering De Gea. We practically had no back line and no goalie. Ease off Fellaini already. . .a friend said he looked like a running microphone

Purist: Funny thing is, the stats paint a completely different picture. United had more of the ball and had a higher pass completion rate.

In the second half alone, Man City completed just 75 passes, while Manchester United completed 255.

The only stat in my mind right now was the one where I saw:

'Goal attempts: Man City 11 - 1 Man United'

debosky: Crizzle and Superstar trading barbs. Classic.

Oh, we're best of pals now. We were just getting introduced.

You're in a good mood 'cos you won today, abi?
Don't worry. . .Arsenal's initial gra gra will soon die out.

@superstar1
Those are suppositions which could also have turned out differently from the picture you've painted.
What if Moyes had tinkered with the team and we still lost? Wouldn't you have asked why he didn't stick with the team that won?
Remember how we would get pissed at Fergie for making some crazy selections that cost us games?

I'm not saying you're wrong and Moyes should not make different player combinations sometimes to find the most effective ones; I'm just saying it's also not a bad idea if a coach decides not to change a winning formula.
'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' kinda thing.

elampiro:

Moyes has no blame. He has never lost at Ethihad like thIs before. But now he would be more careful about the formation to adopt in big games. 4-3-3 looks best for us in big games. Had Fellaini played at his optimum may be the 4-4-2 would have worked. I didn't see Fellaini doing the dirty jobs he did against Leverkusen. He was too soft and slow. But this is not to say the blame should go to only a certain players.

Exactly. . .blame cannot fairly go to some specific players alone 'cos the overall performance was crap. They simply did not play, and De Gea simply did not keep.
Personally I think our traditional 4-4-2 still works good. That's why we always have wingers on our squad.
Today there was simply no effort whatsoever, no performance to even base a fair judgement on about 4-3-3 being better against City.

Everyone had a piss-poor game, though Rooney still stood out somewhat.
As for Fellaini, he hasn't been all bad since he got to OT, but I guess we can't all agree on that.

superstar1:

The boys refused to come to the pitch and the Coach was clueless enough not to respond to it. What is he being paid for then, if the supposedly coach of the team's head is only up on the day then players decide to show up for matches.
I am not interested in winning the match at all cost but please we can play better than that, have more hunger drive and passion than that.

I have seen worst calamitous display by the team but the drive and passion that comes afterwards during the cause of the game give up pride and joy not this we are not showing up display by players and our dear coach was busy nodding his head in agreement.

Okay superstar1, my latest forum padi , do tell. . .what should Moyes have done exactly?
Subs? Who should he have subbed given the overall shitty crappy performance?

P.S. I don't think Moyes is the overly expressive type (as in, given to outbursts of rage) like Fergie or Mourinho.

RuuDie:

Nothing wrong with Moyes' selection jor... minus RvP and Shinji, wasn't this almost the same the side that played Leverkusen!? Why didn't you criticize them then?

Leave them. Their excuse is now that Leverkusen is not the same as City.

I suppose they mean that the performance the guys put up against Leverkusen - the skill, accuracy, creativity - woulda been completely useless against City.
Unfortunately, football don't get much better than that.

superstar1:

Indeed you a confirmed first class retardeen.
How many world class coach repeats the same team for 2matches in modern day. Rotation is the name idiot.

Yes fergie lost games but fergie team was renowned for being come back kings and always snatching victory from the jaws of lions, that is a coach that fires up is team in 2nd half even in the face of below average performance in 1st. If it is not every single time the word of coaches motivates team, victory will not be embedded in the DNA of MUFC.

Your idiocy is world class, when the best you can do is to exonerate the Coach.
No Futbol analyst will spare DM on this. He took him how many hours to realise he needed a 3man CM.

I am his fan and I do support him but that doesn't mean I should not point out his errors when he errs

And you're as smart as the love-child borne of a half-wit ninny and an air-headed dork. I stand in reverent awe.
Since when has it become a crime for a coach to use the same team that had recently won a UCL game in grand style??
If United had won today I am absolutely positive this balderdash won't spew from your yap hole.

Victory is embedded in the DNA of United. . .how does that explain our shameful crashing outta the UCL under Fergie last season??
Had United been winning every single silverware available to be won in every single season under Fergie?
My point, numbskull, is that it is not every single time a coach's words spur a team on to victory. Even Fergie knows that. It's a simple fact advanced dopes like you cannot comprehend.
You say "Yes, Fergie lost games", and then you turn right around to contradict yourself by saying "fergie team was renowned for being come back kings and always snatching victory from the jaws of lions". Nor be only lions, na dinosaurs.
If Fergie's team always snatched victory, how come Fergie also lost games? Can you now see your extreme dumbness exposed to the world??

If Moyes was at fault, I would not hesitate to say so. But tonight, I will not blame Moyes for the failure of a classy team to come out on the pitch and do the basic things they get paid to do, from simple marking to simple tracking back to simple accurate passes.
That's football 101.
If you are proud to say your team needs a motivational speech to do those basic things, then you aren't even worth my time.

You are obviously emotional about today's loss (grab a Kleenex, k?)and using past performances to judge Moyes today.
But take it from someone more level-headed than you currently are. . .Moyes didn't get his selection wrong.
Read me right: It is possible to win City with today's line up; the guys just refused to give it a decent shot. Hang yourself if it burns.

StarBoard:
Honey,
The buck stops atGollum's table.
If he cannot motivate his team for a Manchester Derby, he has no business at the helm of United's bench.
That was my dog's response and I tend to agree with him (local dog fa).

Well, my Rottweiler believes a coach is no magician (and hez an awesome dog!)

Moyes coulda said all the words in the English and French dictionaries combined, but those boys were simply not ready to do anything today.
Ok, how about you explain this. . .when they started playing with more sense and aggressiveness and purpose much much later in the second half, what happened?
Isn't it possible that they started playing 'cos that's when they decided they were ready to put their backs into it, and not because their coach didn't try to spur them on at all?

This isn't some Hollywood movie where everytime it's half time and the team's losing, the coach says something romantically awesome and it works every single time to result in a victory. This is real life. That doesn't always happen.
Doesn't automatically mean the coach has no influence.

dademola: rio ferdinand was poor today.considering d fact dt fergie rarely played him 3 times in 7 days due to his chronic back problem, i dnt think it will be outta place for one to blame rio's poor performance on "lack of freshness"!

But the question remains, was Rio the only one to blame for today's performance?
That's just my grouse. Why are people picking on individual players when the collective performance was a total waste?

It's not like the backline was doing so well but Rio kept exposing everyone. What about Vida, Evra, De Gea, Smalling??

superstar1:

I will respect the fact that you are a lady to overlook your uncouth and unlady-like language but ma gbe Sara e koja mosalasi sha.

So city is in the class of Leverkusen that he will repeat the same tactics against them. We can keep using Leverkusen line up till end of season then.

The team did not show up in 1st half is explainable but still bringing vitafoam to the pitch in 2nd half in inexcusable and is down to the coach.

Spurs was leading us by 3 in 2007 and we responded in 2nd to hit them by 4. We were leading City by 2 last year, they responded in 2nd and equalized. Thanks to RVP that spoilt their party.

Am I back room staff that I will know what he said to the team. If you put on your coke bottle goggle, you will the effect of such speech on the pitch if there was any

Ah, the gender card. How wonderfully low of you
You throw insults and when you get your own medicine back you cry gender. It's a faceless forum, dude. . .forget the purple 'f'; I could be a whiskey-slinging Irish all-male barber.

I already told you that it's not just about Leverkusen, it's about the performance. . .PERFORMANCE of the same guys under the same coach on the night.
And you cannot blame a coach for sticking with a winning team. Heck, it's not like he picked aliens off the street; these our our regular starters for crying out loud. So what's your point exactly??

And I repeat, the fact that the team stayed piss-poor in 2nd half is insufficient reason for you to say that Moyes did/said nothing to them in the dressing room.
It is not every single time a coach's words have positive effect on a team's performance. You make it seem like Unityed have never ever lost under Alex Ferguson 'cos he always spouts magical lyrics in the dressing room.
Abeg hear yourself before letting others hear you.

P.S. I could apologize for my lingo but it would be totally insincere so with all due respect, sod off if you cannot handle it.

StarBoard: @Cristalz,
This type of game is where u expect people like Fellaini to step up. If he plays well against Leverkusen and Crystal Palace, that's no big deal but the reality is that he cannot cut it for us. Even my dog knows that.
He got showed up big time.

Dearie, I'm certain your dog also knows that a win mostly requires the work of 11 men, not one, and perhaps saw that Fellaini was not the only culprit today.
It was like everyone was drugged or jazzed or both.
How can you now comfortably point fingers at just one man and say it shows he is not a good player (paraphrasing) in a game where everyone performed horribly? Beats me.

superstar1:

Calm your retardeen brain down.

Losing a game is no big deal. Deciding to play Rio in 3 straight games is a major mistake. Even if he played any team he wants, did u see any response in second half to suggest anything happened in the dressing room. They were not fired up for the second one bit. Is that the fault of the players too. Plzzzzz.

The players deserve their own part of the blame but I won't close my eyes to DM fault in anyway

Apparently you've been the victim of a lobotomy. That would certainly explain a lot.
So it's now the sole fault of Rio United lost today??

Were you present in the dressing room to know that nothing happened?? Or you're deluded enough to believe you're clairvoyant.
Because the performance stayed piss-poor in 2nd half you believe Moyes said nothing to them. Without any proof.
Please stop making donkeys seem smart

Is it too much for your brain to process the fact that the basics of football were almost completely forgotten by all the players today?
What was Moyes supposed to do, ask to sub the entire 11?? Or give 'em all a sniff or two of cocaine
Dude, this wasn't a regular game where one midfielder and one striker kept screwing things up and you wonder why the manager did nothing about it.

If Fellaini plays beautifully tomorrow, same people criticizing him now will also turn around and say "very good buy".
One piss-poor game is not sufficient to judge a player's abilities or lack of 'em.

Moyes did nothing wrong with his selection today.
Wish people would just see that the boys simply stayed asleep till somewhere around the 80th minute.

Any sub Moyes made today woulda been ineffective 'cos the entire team did not show up at all for the most part. One or two men cannot do the work that eleven are supposed to do.

superstar1:

See what you are saying?

Is Leverkusen in the league of city. So we should keep approaching all matches with the same matches and tactics. Pweety, borrow urself brain ie ya ra e ni brain

Oga, beg some roadside dollar-selling mallam for a tiny part of his brain.

It's not about Leverkusen, it's about the performance of these same guys under the very same coach against Leverkusen.
But then, you obviously need me to explain that to you, yet in your tiny mind you're feeling an analyst.

According to you, they played this horrendously because Moyes is coach and not Fergie.
The UCL final against Barca where United played like pissants, who was coach? Moyes abi?? Quit trying to act like your brain is all there.
I repeat, there is nothing wrong with a coach deciding to stick with the same side that produced a performance as beautiful as that of Tuesday night.
Smash your computer if you don't like it.

superstar1:
It has everything to do with DM. If they refused to show up in 1st half, I agree could be due to the players lackadaisical attitude. Not showing up in 2nd is the coach's fault. Can they try that with Fergie ? Plzzzz

Answer me this. . .was Fergie the coach on Tuesday night against Leverkusen??
Bros, dey reason na.

dademola: d team doesnt nid to play well for RVP to score.

Because RVP is capable of doing both defensive and midfield work like Rooney??
RVP is classy yeah, but he stands on the back of the feed he gets from the middle. Why do you think Rooney plays behind him? To do the donkey work and feed him, that's why.

And look, the guy being wizard-hunted gives us the consolation goal.

Go Rooney!

superstar1:

Moyes deserve part of the blame. He started young ahead of zaha and nani. He started rio ahead of Evans and smalling ahead of Fabio.

Sincerely I think Giggs experience would have safe the day from being embarrassing but definitely we would have lost.

Dude, this is the same team that played beautifully against Leverkusen on Tuesday (except for the RVP/Welbeck switch).
You wanna blame a coach for sticking to a winning side? A seamless winning side for that matter, with the exception of a few errors here 'n there.

This has nothing to do with Moyes. The guys simply refused to play since kick-off.

I can't see why some guys are calling/blaming Moyes here.
Do players like these, with all their knowledge and experience, need David Moyes to tell 'em the basics of football??
There has been no performance at all for Moyes to even work with today.

RVP being present on the pitch today wouldn't have made any impact whatsoever.
The overall performance woulda made him look like a handsome a*ss, the way Welbeck and Rooney have been made to look since the beginning.

superstar1: This game is already lost and we lost without showing up!!!

That's the hard part @ bold.

But who knows, the dead could wake still in the next 45

Similar to the non-performance United put up against Barca in the UCL final of 2011.

Defense, De Gea included, is totally asleep. The MF is non-existent. Rooney having to play too deep, leaving the attack non-existent. Welbeck excessively starved of ball feed.

I don't even know which is more annoying, the way United players all stand and admire the City players' feet when they have the ball instead of marking or doing anything at all, or the extreme degree of cluelessness when United do manage to get possession.

Not JM's fault. . .the team is not emotionally and psychologically and spiritually mature

I just hope Rooney shines even brighter against City on Sunday. Won't be an easy derby.

Thank you, elampiro, debozzie, perhaps afrodoc, and others that are still thinking fairly and correctly.

A classy striker that performed beautifully on a UCL night makes one mistake and it is magnified unnecessarily like it's his regular routine when every football fan knows it is not.
The dude contributed greatly to the team's win on the night.

I'm just appalled at the way bias leads so-called objective "analysts" to throw common sense and truth out the window in order to call Rooney baseless names, especially after all his hard work.

Bleacher report indeed. . .does the person that typed that up have 3 heads or a never-observed-before special kinda brain that his words should be embraced as gospel?? Smh.
Worse mistakes made by others were conveniently swept under the rug. . .you guys should at least have the decency to pretend you're not on a Rooney witch-hunt, abi wizard-hunt.

Wayne Rooney selfish??
A guy that's well-known for sometimes passing up opportunities he could legitimately attempt himself in order to set up his teammates?
And many times those teammates bury the ball deep in the net.
Una bias nor go kill persin.

So his miss was costly; which striker has a perfect non-miss record??
The guy performed excellently last night, yet one mistake is eagerly clutched tight enough to do dem Niger republic kids that clutch strangers on the sidewalk extremely proud.
I dey shame for una.

@FBS
Lukaku has been hugging the bench a lot; guess he figured the penalty was a chance to impress his coach, whether he was ready or not. Mourinho shoulda considered that factor.
Or maybe he did, thinking it would make Lukaku more eager to score, but unfortunately, it backfired.

I blame Mourinho 'cos he should know that it's not just about asking a player whether he is ready or not.
The basics of whether the player is match-fit physically and mentally (his confidence level) should be covered first via objective observation. Lukaku came on and got a yellow card in less than 5 minutes.

I mean, does a parent give his/her child a live scorpion to play with 'cos the child says he/she loves the curve of its tail?

My point is, there is a reason someone is coach. To see things the players don't and make the right decisions. It's not about Lukaku's age; that's a silly excuse.
It's about the fact that he wasn't ready for this particular responsibility given his lack of games, which made him the wrong choice.
If y'all truly wanna give your youths a chance, why has Lukaku been in the shadows this long? Jose should have known that the odds weren't in Lukaku's favor, given his current state. Why take chances in a game this big? Asking him if he was ready wouldn't have changed the facts. It's simple logic IMO.
Training and the actual match are two entirely different experiences.

@A-40
Not yet...

And Neuer does come out on top!! He is German, after all.

But how do you ask a match-rusty striker to take a penalty??
Especially after he displayed said match-rustiness on the pitch?? Mourinho screwed up huge time!

Neuer vs Cech....the crystal ball says Neuer to come out on top

Now this is the true meaning of HEARTBREAK!

JT on. Park the bus till the end.
Mourinho remains excellent at reading a game like a business analyst and making the correct responses.

Lukaku is supposed to score 'n ensure a win in case Bayern equalize.
But the dude is obviously match-rusty. Jose's fault.