mukina2:

Zayhal

all he did was wish people a happy new year he didnt say come join me to celebrate.
All the unnecessary digression is not really worth it.

geeez! na wa.

On point as always

Abu Zola:

Are you okay at all, have you been to the north and see the development there, i mean the urban area and not village, you staunted fool

I'm sorry ,I thought you were a reasonable fellow (albeit poorly educated). . .very well . .carry on

Abu,
i appreciate your passions,but you must realise,these issues do not concern you directly. You should be more concerned that more than 60% of your Northern Nigeria muslim brothers& sisters are living below the poverty line,oppressed by PDP governors,local govt etc.

Fight that injustice first before you begin to look too far. The palestinian issue is political as I have tried to discuss here.Iraq problem has to do with Shia vs Sunni which USA inexplicably inserted themselves into .  

Don't let religious zeal overtake your common sense. Why aren't other muslims  all over the world concerned that over 40 million muslims are living below poverty line in Nigeria,with so much oil resources Is that not oppression?? So don't look for the international problem ,when your own house is on fire .

Regards,

There's nothing like'its too late' ,whenver you get a partner & you're ready you go ahead.

debosky:

Happy New year to all the Liverpool fans in the house. . . .hope this year is a great one for us all.

Amen bro,thanks a million,however it can't possibly be good for us all na. . . "ti teni kan oba baje,t'elo mi o le da" (someone needs to lose for another to succeed )

I hope & pray Liverpool has a much better 2010 .

Lagosboy:

The lesson it teaches us all is uderstanding the opposing view helps in destroying it , not understanding his view will be tantamount to you getting more confused. That is why i have called the gentleman to a live debate to enable me gather his thoughts sincerely as i know loads about his faith to know it is not islam but a different religion.

True man. . . . .

olabowale:

The Yorubas preceeded the Islam under Muhammad (AS), [s]but not under Adam (AS), for the definition of Islam will remind you that Adam was a muslim, and practiced Islam, in the form that was available to his community![/s] Mankind having the same origin (Adam and his mate Hawa) made us all brothers and sisters, the reason Mary the mother of Jesus (AS) was referred to "Sister of Haruun"!

Baseless assumption-Islam has foundation based entirely on the Qur'an and this was revealed to Prophet Mohammed, so it cannot exist before the prophet mohammed,just like me claiming Adam or Abraham were christians and please lets not waste time on that,you're a muslim. . . .you're entitled to your opinion,I'll stick to mine. . . thank you very much ! And repeating your assumptions  over & over again cannot change my opinion,so I'll advise you don't waste your time,so we don't descend to childish exchanges.

olabowale:

Did King Nimrod leave his people? Was he not the king that was ruling during the youth of Ibrahim? Was he not the King that built fire to punish Ibrahim, who was thrown into the inferno? I doubt if an ancient king will abdicate his throne, but even at war will die fighting, the reason the story of Pharaoh of Moses exodus does not make a lick of sense in the way it is told in the Bible!
hundreds of miles deep into the space, yet extremely far below the heavens, even though many landings have been made on the moon, the humans can never reach the gate of the Heavens! So there is no challenge to the Authority of God coming from any and all creations, combined! Below are website addresses which spoke about Tower of Babel; The material employed, according to one Christian writer were Bricks and stones.

Again you employ pseudo-intellectual arguments,3 religions have this story of Nimrod/Babel-Islam,Christianity & Judaism,only the Islamic version is different,incoherent or all together non-existent,I wonder why you're trying to refute a story that does not clearly exist in your holy book

. No one said anything about anyone running anywhere,Lamurudu according to oral yoruba mythology was the father of oduduwa,this should be taken literarily as he may not necessarily be 'the biological father' as the word father could have come into the narratives as it passed from generation to generation. The linkage of Lamurudu to Nimrod is essentially my own,I have not seen it any where else,I rest my case.

Lagosboy:

This happens in every aspect of life. To be able to understand this dudes misguidance is to call him to a debate where he has the opportunity of explaining his views in light of the quran. He has not turned up so how do you expect anyone to see it from his view. Islam is an enlightened faith where everything is said with proof and understanding. This dude is a disciple of a fellow that has been ostrasized by the whole body of islam including shia and sunni due to his heresy and him being and impostor.

I completely agree he needs to come out and debate issues,however are we open minded enough to consider whatever he has to say?

Gandhi once said "Seek first to understand before you can be understood ". . . . many people are not ready for part one (of this phrase),but insist on the second part.

zayhal:

LOL. I didn't want to reply you but I couldn't help laughing when I saw the above. What do we call this? Claiming egbon on here! You must be a funny fellow.

If u like to be called 'egbon' you'll get a lot of it. However, the essence of what I said wasn't to say one is senior and the other junior, it's only just to show the paradox in your statement.

You don't know me and yet you confidently claim 'egbon'. Internet ma nse nkan o.

I threw that in knowing it'll certainly attract a response from you. . . . 
Anyway my point is that we should not look at everything strictly through the lens of religion tho' we have all being brought up to react that way. My previous responses to olabowale  refers

zayhal:

No, it's not foolish reasoning. It's differentiantiating your right hand from the left. You need not add 'with due respect' It's just like you saying, 'egbon mi, ode ni yin o'. What I'll really call foolish is throwing and exchanging insults on the net, with people you don't know, on matters that can be discussed sensibly.

You're talking about calendar. I am talking about celebrating festivals. They are two different things.
This new year celebration has no basis in Islam. The islamic celebrations are well defined and Muslims should stay within the limits.

You don't have to wait for a particular date before you pray for blessings. I do that everyday. And if there are occasions or circumstances that i need to make specific prayer, I do so accordingly.

1.I'm very sure Im the 'egbon' in this discussion
2.I'm sorry if you regard my comments as an insult.
3.There's no such thing as new year festival anywhere in the world,just an acknowlegement of the commencement of a new year
what you said was :

zayhal:

It's not right for a Muslim to congratulate or respond to greetings

which infers you do not acknowledge a new year has come in.

This is very different from Merry christmas, happy kwanza, happy hakunnah etc.

The new year is just that - A NEW YEAR !!!

Nimshi:

If you do, then I'll have to ask how you hope to achieve that without carving out a separate Islamic Territory out of Nigeria. If you have any specific comments you wish to share about this, then post them as you wish.
Thank you for your frankness. Questions for you:
Explain how you advocate Islam in Education.
Explain how you advocate Islam in Economy.
Explain how you advocate Islam in Politics in a state where Muslims are not a majority.
What do you mean by "the West"`? Be as specific as you can be.
Does "the West" (as you meant it) control how Muslims in Saudi Arabia think?
No, I don't yet think it is fanaticism, but that's because I don't yet understand what you're advocating. If, for example, you're of the opinion that the United States get out of sacred Arabian soil, as someone well-known has, I don't think that's exceptionally unreasonable; but perhaps you're thinking of more?

Then you may educate me about this. If you could be more specific, I'll be glad. Perhaps you have some insight that will be useful to me.
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Good questions for Frizy. . . . .yet to be answered for over one year now.
People get overwhelmed with religious fevour it completely erodes common sense.

The fact is we all see things from OUR OWN POINT OF VIEW ALONE !!!

May Almighty God grant us the ability to see things from another persons point of view for once !

zayhal:

Muslims do not partake in the festivals of non-believers - xmas, eyo, egun, Easter, New year etc. It's not right for a Muslim to congratulate or respond to greetings for and on these festivals.

With all due respect,this is very foolish reasoning. The new year is the same worldwide irrespective of your religion or beliefs. . . So by denying we're in 2010,it will somehow not exist??  Please what is todays date? what is your date of birth??  The whole world uses the standard dating system & it has nothig to do with religion.

I know its VERY,VERY difficult to think outside the box once this mis-informationa has been programmed into your mind,but please don't let anyone deceive you otherwise. Allah will not send you to hell for praying for blessings this new year,or acknowledging it exists. It has nothing to do with 'non-believers' as we all use this date. This is January,next month is February & so on. . . . I live in a muslim country and I just bought a newspaper- THE DATE IS JANUARY 1 2010

TrueSeeker:

Imagine the Following Similarities
Pronounce these word: Alfa - Ifa, aren't they sound alike?
Quran can only be accurate interpret by a Muslim Clergy, Odu Ifa too can only be accurately interpret by an Ifa priest.
Correct rendering of Quran can only be in Arabic Language, one most vast in Yoruba language before he can recite Odu Ifa.
Muslim do competition on reciting Quran, similar things happen among the Ifa worshipers.
They both come from Mecca.
More are coming. watch out!

Your level of imagination is admirable.

While the progenitor of the Yoruba race(oduduwa) indeed originated from 'somewhere in the middle east' (not necessarily Mecca) like all of mankind,the yoruba race certainly preceeds Islam by many generations.

From oral history,Oduduwa's father Lamurudu (which I have come to believe is the corruption of the name Nimrod),left the Middle East possibly as a result of the confusion arising from the Tower of Babel saga as documented in Genesis 11:9. How Middle east became 'Mecca' in yoruba history books, I still do not understand.

While I do not completely agree with your assertions,its not unlikely there is some shared history both (yoruba & Islam)being from simlar environments.

I think I agree with the poster ,the story would indeed have been different if the father hadn't initially reported to our intelligence authorities & the US .

Also I don't think we need to brand the father a bad parent,afterall Farouk was the last of 16 children. . . . . if the other 15 had been involved in something like this then ,he has questions to answer on his parenting abilities,otherwise free him.

Everyone prays for their children to grow up properly.

Lady 234:

y do Wahhabi muslims view shia muslims and other muslims as being false. They even call shia's infidels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahabbism#Criticism_and_controversy

very interesting topic. ^{grabs chair,popcorn,Qur'an & Holy Bible & earnestly waits for olabowale,Lagosboy,muhsin & all the other sunni militia}

Story. . .

Close ! by AQ

1t half wasn't bad . . . . but we need to convert this dominance to goals!!!

Abu Zola:


haba now our baba, in arabic there is something we call Maf'ul and maf'ulu bihi, muttalab is maf'ulun bihi derived from 'Muttalib'- which is maf'ul, muttalib means to seek from Him which is Allah and abdul means slave, just like Abdulllahi in the pre islamic era ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


Abubakar is maf'ul while Ababakar is mafulun bih,

The young shall grow

Inasmuch as i don't agree with may aspects of muslim doctrine,I think we should learn to respect each other.

When 2 people shout ,nobody listens. Lets also respect uncle olabowale ^{tho' he tries to take advantage of this at times} 

The fact is all of us (muslims,christians) have a conspiracy view of each other,olabowale quotes relevant parts of the Holy Bible to make his points,but any other part presented to him (e.g John 14:6) is 'part of the corrupted Bible',similarly the christians aren't taking any points raised but just focused on their own views.

Its only human,we all see things from our own point of view. Islam is taking a bashing now & I feel for them,I imagine if it was my own religion or tribe caught up in all these terrorism,I would feel compelled to say something positive is a seemingly bad situation.

Lets for once NOT BELIEVE THE WORST IN OURSELVES. I have done some travelling around the world and I found out that almost every one desires a good life for themselves & their children(muslims,christians & others),so lets trust ourselves or at least our motives.

Below is a Youtube clip (can't confirm authenticity) of the insides of  the Kaabah & there arent any idols inside.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWzJXUAQQEE&hl=en_GB&fs=1&[/flash]

olabowale:

@Jairzinho: « #9 on: Today at 09:23:43 AM » Not just. Islam is believing, acting in full weight of What the Quran and Authentic Hadith/Sunnah say. It is exactly to the letter, for you cant add or remove a single letter and come to tell anyone that you have recited the Quran. It is exactly to the Spirit, for what is clear is clear, then, now and in the future. Islam is what Islam is; it has two parts; Quran and its exegesis; Hadith/Sunnah. Unlike the other religions, true muslims are ordered to Take Quran hard, with all convictions and follow Muhammad's order; what he forbids, reject, what he permits, take. Remember I did not weaver in my statements.

Very good ,so why do you dither on Qur'an 9:5 ? You should take take it hard with no dilution my dear ! ^{I'm waiting for this}

olabowale:

The family is not relevant in the sense that Messengerhood and Prophethood are what matter and they ended with Muhammad (AS).

When you do your daily salah(prayer). . . . .what do you say while reciting the tashahhud ??

chocomillo:

Mudallib is a sadist and he is inhuman.No religion teaches killing,and i doubt if these extremists know the God (Allah) they proclaimed to be fighting for.It is high time Islamic teachers started teaching their followers " d spirit of live and let others live".

Well said sweetie

ibro911:

and who says the world is flat in Islam?

@ibro911,please advise why you have 911 on your name? Also can you please explain -  Q'uran 9:5

olabowale:

Disbelief simply means anyone who has consciously disagreed with Quran and or the Ahadith.  True Islam is what is belief. The others are disbelief, and hypocrasy. What are you saying? Is there a third place apart from Paradise and Hell? Please tell me what that place is, and then maybe your greys can even be paid any attention, ditto fallacy!

Is true Islam just about agreeing with the Q'uran &Hadiths or following the instructions therein to the letter? Does the family of the Prophet have any relevance in Islam?

olabowale:

@Jairzinho: While you are complaining Mr. Williams has become Muslim (ALhamdulillah) through his daughter Oluwaseyi.

(Note Im NOT complaining)I have responded to this here : https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=372599.msg5204917#msg5204917

olabowale:

In Ijebu Ode, there was no Fodio, Ottoman turks was not there either! Silly historian. And InshaAllah my dream is a reality. And I did not say all humans will become Muslims. Hell will have to cosume some people; non Muslims! That I cant do anything about. Its a forgone conclusion.
Jihad simply means struggle. Duuh.

Im aware what jihad means & Im sure almost everyone that has a TV or radio understands. How I pray you did islam get to SW nigeria,before ultimately getting to your village cum town -Ijebu-ode ^{I know you will argue vigorously its not a village} ?

No comments

I laugh whenever I read from olabowale. . .especially when he boasts about converting his igbo ex-christian lawyer wife to Islam as if its some kind of achievement,also mentions Mr Williams in ijebuode converting to ISLAM with his daughter 

Hello !-People convert to Islam daily,people convert to christianity daily,ditto for hinduism,buddhism. . .even more people convert from all religions to atheism of some form so this isn't news  

Secondly you seem to have this funny view that the world is all in black & white (us against them) believers against unbelievers ,Islam vs kafirs. . .wel im sorry to disappoint you,the world is actually in shades of grey. .  no matter how much you try to convince yourself otherwise,there are many things none of us can authoritatively explain.

You are convinced you are a true muslim,but by Osama Bin Hiding's standard you're not(e.g you have a kafir as a partner,you are relating with people bound for hell  ),tho' you may be strongly  convinced otherwise,similarly we had one Ahmaddiya guy on NL sometime ago,some felt he isn't a muslim (hence he's part of the kafirs) but he feels otherwise. so where do we put him. black or white

What about someone who says lahilahilala. . . .,but doesn't pray regularly,fast(during ramadan),sleeps around once in a while,is he a muslim or part of the kafirs? Or someone born into a christian family goes to mosque,reads koran,but also believes in Jesus?black or white?

Shias  believe they are on the right path,but you are not. . . so in essence ,never claim to have all the knowledge. . . stop talking authoritatively as if you are God himself. . .Yorubas have a saying 'Olorun lo mo eni tio sin oun.(only God knows who is actually worshipping him).

The same applies to Christians, non-catholics feel catholics are worshipping the Queen of Coast in some kind of conspiracy, the catholics think otherwise etc.

Its  strange people think God would create humans ,give them a will to choose their religious beliefs and then punish them for exercising that will.
In essence , please stick to what you know, don’t ‘fill-in-the gaps’, I’m sure there would only be muslims in the world if God wanted it that way  ditto for Christianity.

Since you didn’t create heaven or hell, you aren’t qualified to determine who will go to heaven or hell(orun apaadi). . . its this kind of ‘I’m very certain of my point of view’ that will lead someone to genuinely believe he is doing his God’s will by killing other people and himself on a plane.

I hope with this few words of mine,I have been able to convince you beyond any reasonable doubt

sad ,sad. . . .Farouk Umar Abdul Muttalab.

I just got back from Jordan,Syria recently and I was priviledged to meet many palestinian refugees living there.

One shouldn't be swayed by the term 'refugees' as many thirtysomething year olds were actually born in Jordan and have some form of Jordanian citizenship. But the refugees in Syria don't generally have citizenship.
Palestinian refugees can be found all around the ME & North Africa but they are concentrated manly in Jordan/Syria & Lebanon.

I cannot tell you the discrimination they face from [b]their fellow arabs ,its unbelievable !!![/b]

Now my question is ,the palestinian issue has been made out to be a religious issue ,whereas its actually more of an ethno-political issue.

The palestinian population is actually about 20% christian,they(palestinian christians) face persecution from their muslim brethren,while the so-called 'christian' country-America ,actually supports the palestinians' common tormentor-Israel !

The activities of the 'christian' country -USA has adversely affected christianity in the ME,so much so that Iraq that had almost 1 million christians,now has about a quarter of that number still residing in the country,due to increased persecution not unrelated to US policy. My Iraqi friend tells me during Saddam's time,they broadcasted easter sermon on national TV in Iraq,Tariq Aziz,Saddam's de facto No 2 was a Christian. . . now all that has been destroyed by USA activities. The story is very similar in the West bank,where Bethlehem the birthplace of Jesus now has few local christians,yet MUSLIMS blame all these on CHRISTIANS !!!! isn't this rather strange

metal-gong:

When will Yoruba and Hausa terrorists stop tarnishing the international image of other well meaning Nigerians . . . .
You guys have now taken your terrorist acts to the international scene.

All these illiterate traders with access to cybercafe  sha . . . . . . . .  

'ARO ' proper