coogar:

mourinho is not incompetent - this is not his team. at least give him time to tweak here & there before you start blaming him. look at the defensive side of chelsea(mourinho's strongest emphasis) - what you have now is a parody to the chelsea team of 04/05.


terry has aged, cahill & luiz wouldn't make chelsea's team of that era. essien has gotten older, cech hasn't been the same since his head injury. mourinho's team has always been built with a very strong defence & the current chelsea side isn't even 10% of what the 04/05 defensively. these ones are babies.

I am not buying these excuses. Mourinho has a team most managers would kill for. If Mourinho can't manage that squad, then Everton would be in the relegation zone if he was managing them. Essien is no longer a starter and Cech is still one of the best keepers in the world. The defense is slightly worse than what he had in his previous era but which team has a better defense (in terms of ability) than Chelsea? The Everton isn't Martinez's team but he has them playing for him. The Bayern team isn't Guardiola's but they are playing well. What of Martino ar Barca?

It appears that your point is that Mourinho can only win if he is managing a team of the best 22 players in the world.

Pataki:

Shame no dey even catch you? You carry your one-man team come Almighty Arsenal thread, una come dey yarn megedefegede for here.

You had better be on the lookout for Everton. I reckon, they will nick that fourth place from your loserpoo team once we have nicked Suarez come January.

Genocide ko, herbicide ni.

What makes ASSnal almighty? Europe you can't conquer, English League you are behind two other great teams. Abeg go siddon.

debosky: ^^ At this rate, Liverpool will ask for half of the Emirates in return for Suarez - their entire season hangs on the boy.

I'm eagerly awaiting the return of Poldi. . . .we need more of those left footed rockets.

You damn right skippy. Suarez aint going for cheap; and if he has to go to strenghten another EPL team, we will ask for an arm, a leg, a neck, and a heart.

dayokanu: The point everyone is making is Chelsea has the best squad in the league their second team would make top 2

This poor performance has nothing to do with squad quality is simply managerial incompetence

Incompetence is too strong a word for a manager who has won titles in 4 different countries and has two champions league titles. There is a problem but I wouldn't go as far as saying its incompetence.

@ GustavoFrings

So to showcase the strengths of Lukaku, you had to use the fluke match West Brom beat Liverpool?

nateevs:

I am either doing a very bad job at getting you to understand me or you are out-rightly refusing to get me. Every single thing you have here is my exact point of view. Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing?

I think I am getting your message; I just happen to disagree with some of your points

1. Chelsea have very good, very young inexperienced players in key positions - This is not true; Chelsea is blessed with top players for every position. The backline has played together for years. The midfield has Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Lampard, Ramires, Obi, Willian, Schurrle. The attack has Torres, Ba, Etoo. Which of them is young and inexperienced?

2. You say he doesn't have the best squad in the league. I disagreed with that. Chelsea squad is as good as Man city. Aguero is clearly better than all Chelsea strikers but Chelsea has a better midfield and defence. Cech is better than Hart. Mourinho has also won more titles than Pellegrini; so Chelsea should be the best team in the league. And Chelsea soesn't play Citeh every week.

nateevs:


Kindly do not misintepret the context of my post as the point of the squad strength was not made as an excuse.


Talking about squad strength, City have the best squad. Arsenal have a very first 13 or there about. Chelsea have very good, very young inexperienced players in key positions. A situation Jose is not accustomed to managing. Usually, his teams are filled with top professionals in every spot.

In other words, coaches such as Pardew, Martinez, Pochettino are as good if not better than Mourinho since they do not have top professionals in their squads let alone in every spot. You are a good coach if you can work wonders with a small budget. Having the best team where all the great professionals know what they are doing doesn't make you a great coach.

Chelsea has top professionals in every spot. It is the way Chelsea is set up that doesn't work for their strikers. Demba Ba was good at Newcastle poor at Chelsea. Torres was good at Liverpool and became poor at Chelsea. Sturridge was poor at Chelsea became good at Liverpool. Lukaka had no chance at Chelsea but his playing well at Everton.

And Chelsea should not be losing to Stoke, Everton and Newcastle based on the squad strength.

Jarus:
Where is your compound on Nairaland?

Please accept his challenge.

All call outs must be accepted.

You are so funny.

Can they make Donphilopus a mod already?

nateevs: He is only as usual trying to deflect from the main issue which is that it is down to him that we are not top of the league. Unless he saying that this top striker will need to score 4 goals every game to prevent us losing 3-2, he is not facing the challenges. If we did not lose to Sunderland and Stoke, we will be top of the league. End of story.


This the very first time he has had to work with a squad that clearly isn't the best in the league. And he needs to show what he is made of.

Which team has the best squad in the league?

Arsenal has been relying on one striker since the league started and they are top of the league.

Who decided to sigh Willian even though he had an abundance of midfielders in Willian's position? Who decided to bench Chelsea's most proficient assist giver? Who decided to send out Lukaku and buy Etoo?

Coaches at Manure, Chelsea, Man city have the funds to buy players and blame the players/squad when results don't go their way but one should remember that it is also human beings who manage cash less clubs like Hull, Stoke, Crystal Palace, etc. Mourinho and Pellegrini have no excuses. It appears Mourinho can only be a good coach if he has a good squad and everyone else has a shitty squad.

edoyad: Who are all these trash talkers disturbing AFC thread ?

Anyways, I think it's funny how Both Gunners and Everton players are busy commending themselves, "o they were so great", "ah, they are the best we've met this year".

Its no one's fault you have to check your data usage before posting. Upgrade your status and be active on your thread.

Pataki: So boring on the loserpoo thread, they had to come here and start debating about loserpoo against tottenham...... #megedefegedethingz

O fe fi owo kekere gba nla abi?

If I start with you guys now, you will start shouting genocide like my friends in the politics section.

Presbulg:

you say??
You no tell us say you wan sell Anfield stadium?

Tbh, his price has gone when he couldn't score against hull city and Bendtner did.

Bid 40 mil plus 2 and we will sell him to you. Dreamer

raynold: wtf?? who wrote that trash?? well if u guys can give us ozil + ramsey + 50mil I guess u can have him.. tho we'll never sell to a rival..

I agree

Then we can use the 50 mil to rescue Falcao from Monaco.

raynold: nahhh Suarez will definitely b up for this one... all I need is arsenal dropping more points(which is definitely certain)..

You are having hopes of winning the league?

That's not going to happen; don't let the first 10 laps in a marathon deceive you. The league is won by those teams with strength in dept. I can't see beyond Arsenal and Man city at the moment. Maybe chelsea if they get a decent striker in January. You can't win the league with an old Gerrard and a clueless Henderson playing every game. Let's get real.

[quote author=torres2]

he actually did, the record was if he could stay 4mins without conceeding.[/quote

No he didn't get the record. Enyeama got to 1,062; the record is 1,176.

raynold: Lmao u wish abi?? Suarez and sturidge(or should I say Sterling) alone has more goal than the whole spurs team.. Martin/Agger and sahko can easily handle the spurs forward line.. watch and see Suarez score a hat-trick..

Mate,

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Spurs will be up for this game.

It all depends on what team Rodgers fields and the response of whoever comes in for Gerrard. If he plays Allen, Lucas, and Henderson, then we will lose the midfield battle and the game with it.

We can't expect Suarez to bail us out every game. He had a poor game against Hull and we lost. If he plays a blinder again, then we may win.

omenka: Guilty conscience already eating you up. Better put a leash on your emotion before you rupture some blood vessels. This is a public forum and if you dont like the way things are done around here stop visiting, and i assure you, you aren't gonna be missed. You keep yelping like a rabid chuwawa outta whose mouth a bone has been yanked. As much as you think the mods are bias, alot more folks in here think they are fair. What gives you the impression your opinion is superior to others? If you were being revered as a king in the little cocoon from whence you emerged and you were expecting thesame treatment here only to be disapointed, deal with it man! If you want a forum where only your opinion would be heared, create one. We've had enough of your whining!

Damn this is mean. You reduced a cockroach to an ant.

The man is only doing what he was paid for.

torres2:

Pastor you too wan see PICSHURE?

Me pastor? Ugattobekidding

Abeg display picture of the shaking bumbum.

I hope its a big bumbum

torres2: registering. It's been a while I shaked my bum bum

You must supply pictures or a video or both.

Please no testing of mic yet. Do not jinx Newcastle.

Dayo and Pataki be patient.

coogar:

one disastrous tournament should not keep a striker out of the team. let's be honest - the brand of football keshi played in that tournament didn't suit uche. uche plays in spain, he's all about receiving short intricate passes at the edge of the box.

during that ANC, hoof it to the big man was our go-to option & that suited emenike really well. for a striker to flourish, the manager must play to his strength. at the confed cup, keshi actually played the brand of football that suited uche but uche was nowhere to be found & we lost out due to our poor finishing.

from what i have seen from uche in villareal, he's our best striker & if he carries on with his current form, he should be the first name on the list going to brazil. ideye & co should watch the game on their big screen TV from nigeria.

he's not a yekini or ikpeba but he's better than his peers currently.

I agree with you but my team will surely trash the eagles anyway.

Ikechukwu is as good as Emenike but I suspect kESHI didn't manage him properly during the last AFCON. Your point about Keshi having favourites may also be a pointer to his loss of confidence during the AFCON.

tensor777: @Katsumoto
Well the figures you gave don't analyse the FGN receipts for the years 1967-70 so who is to know what is major and what is minor. But we can rule out 1967 for reasons I have already made clear.
Anyway I was on about extenal borrowing not referring to Gowon raisng emergency short-term funds from the domestic money market in 1967.

I won't let you off that easily.

I provided evidence that Oil contributed 26% in 1970. ACM provided links that provide that Oil contributed 32% in 1966, 18% in 1968. For 1969 we can guess the percentage based on the revenues from 1970 and 1969. N167M in 1970 gave oil apprx. 57% of revenue. Oil had a revenue of N75M in 1969, so ceteris paribus in 1969, oil would have contributed less than 29% since 75m is less than half of 157.

Conclusion - Oil did not play a major part in financing the war.

atlwireles:

The last reliable number in 1966 puts oil proceeds at 32% of government revenue.. Then over 50% in 1970. Your emphatic NO is usually, what the noise makers and people known for their attempts to revise history say.

Why is 1966 reliable and 1967, 1968, 1969 not reliable? Lets not make an objective debate subjective by using irrelevant words.

Is 32% a majority? Maybe in the Eastern part of Nigeria, 32% is a majority. In the rest of the world, majority is anything over 50.00%.

tensor777:
Look the point is that Yakubu Gowon needed to raise money urgently in 1966-67 to prosecute his stand-off with Emeka Ojukwu. So he went about raising 3-month and I year treasury bills which would be paid off at maturity.

There is also the fact that Gowon could not have full access to the Oil until Colonel Adekunle's 3rd Division had captured Port Harcourt in May 1968.

The point I have made all along is that that singular achievement of Adekunle marked the end of the war as a strategic contest and that Gowon could fully equip and maintain his 3 divisions until CDS Major General Effiong's capitulation to Colonel Obasanjo at Amichi in January 1970.

Another point is that the Gowonian regime had other revenue sources apart from oil and cocoa. These include export duties on oil palm rubber grounndnuts Companies Income Tax and Capital Gains Tax. But for the years 1969 to 1970 oil was top of the list

This is bordering on dishonesty. Just accept when you are wrong. War ended in 1970 and in 1969, Oil was not a major contributor.

At least you are including revenue sources that I provided to you. See your original comment below.

tensor777:
He was just being disengenuous if that is the case. Anyway the Gowon-Ojukwu imbroglio of 1967-70 was all about oil despite appearances to the contrary that it was about a tribal conflict.
One of Ojukwu's first hostile acts before secession was to seize the Federal Oil Revenues. Gowon then responded by creating states in the oil producing parts of the Eastern Region and sending the Navy to enforce a blockade. He then sent Colonel Adekunle's 3MCD to secure the oilfields and capture Port Harcourt which he was able to do by May 1968. That really ended the war as a strategic contest despite the desperate efforts of Ojukwu to disrupt oil supplies by using Colonel Achuzia's feared S division.
Gowon financed that conflict with Ojukwu with oil without borrowing a penny from anybody right up to Ojukwu's flight to Abidjan in January 1970.

ndu_chucks:

If you do not believe that all offshore waterways belong to Nigeria as a whole, then you need to have your head examined. No state boundary extends offshore, or are you saying that your state boundaries now extend 200 nautical miles offshore?

Fairness will only come when ALL offshore proceeds are shared equally. You are already compensated for onshore resources, why do you want to continue cheating the rest of the country? abeg make we hear word. This issue is ripe for revisiting and sooner or later, corections will be made.

Revenues are generated to meet government budgets. Shortfalls to revenue are then collected through tax. It may be that the revenue from offshore resources may be so high that the different regions (in a confederate system) pay less contributions to the FG. The FG can then use this revenue (from offshore oil and contributions from the regions) towards its common programs. It doesn't necessarily have to be shared. Revenue isn't shared to constituting units in a confederate system. The central government may invest in programs around the different regions but these programs are common to all regions.

atlwireles:

That is a debate you are having with yourself. if you think your cocoa paid for the civil war provide facts to back it up.

Do you also have comprehension and reading problems?

I didn't join the debate to prove cocoa funded the war. I merely corrected Tensor who made a wrong claim.

The person I corrected was smart enough not to belabour the point. Only dullards are setting new questions and answering it themselves.

Was Oil a major contributor to Nigerian revenue during the war, the answer is an emphatic NO.

ndu_chucks:

ngwanu

www.nairaland.com/attachments/229503_ROFLMAODog_gif3fa44b12f55ba64fc785c3a5794ba92e

Thank you

superstar1:

for your 30% to take the largest share of commodity earner for the country, you have to supply the stats of others. who says cocoa was not 30.5%?

Do not give him an outlet. The debate is not about what was the highest contributor; it is about Oil not being the major.

Please don't shift the debate.

ACM10:

Since you insist that oil was not the major source of revenue, please silence us by providing the major source of revenue with a link to a factual site.

Keep quiet you ignorant buffoon.

The debate is not about what was the MAJOR source of revenue during the war; it is about oil not being the MAJOR source.

Oil became the MAJOR source of revenue in 1970, after the war.

You better find your way to a classroom.

ACM10:

See this mumu. Can't you see that oil accounted for over 30% of Nigeria's export in 1966? Ode, where is your 27% figure in 1970? The percentage was 57.6% in 1970. Even at that, the figure was low. Can't you read that the crude oil share of export during the war years were either missing or sketchy? REASON being that proper records were not kept at that time. Nigeria even sold more during the war to meet up with its financial need. Use your brain for once.

You are a donkey.

Is 30% major in your village? Can 30% be greater than 70%? If you don't know that maybe you should go back to school.

The war ended in January 1970, the revenue of 1970 can't be included you doofus.

GTFOH

superstar1:

sincerely i had to read it 5times to be sure that was not posted by you.

I read it three times just to be sure there wasn't something I was missing.

I made a point that oil was not a major contributor to Nigerian revenue. In 1970 it was just 26%.

And what does the dummy do, he provides stats to prove my point while thinking he is disproving my point.

That is what happens when men get emotional and go sniffing other men's nuts.



Ndu_chuks,

Please add that your gif of the dog doing a ROTLMAO.