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He was accused of embezzling money which was later traced to his account?

When did that happen? How? Provide us with a link, please.

FearGodinall:
I think your contributions sound funny because how can you say a country of over 160m may not have the likes of Buhari in the next 50yrs? then there are no beings in the country call Nigeria. I believe you heard when Nigeria honoured a cab driver on how he brought 18m left in his car? Let me emphatically tell you, Buhari is as corrupt as any politician in Nigeria. What happen to the 2.5b usd traced to his account as widely reported, yea he was investigated and came clean remember, Atiku, Obasanjo, Saraki,Sylva even Tinubu too was investigated and came clean. See, you a thousand time better than him. Buhari is not the kind of leader nigeria want,we need articulated leader who will tailor nigeria into production and not on fanaticism.

Seun, heard from the grapevines that you banned Desola for exposing on this thread that she was banned for calling aljharem stupid but you refused to ban Alhaji for calling others an equally derogatory word.

How true is this? What was untrue about that?

Seriously you need to stop witch hunting those in support of the opposition. Why claim someone told untruth when you cannot rebut it but deal them with a ban because it is your site and you can?

The 2015 election is around the corner and people need able to make the right decision. Let us each side speak out so that we can all make the right choice, be it Jonathan or Buhari.

3sha4lyf: Best as the NYSC letter is out. Like I said, In my sibling's case, first application, sibling got letter of identification from uni, didn't read the letter which read that sibling HAS FINISHED STUDIES AT THE UNI AND AWARD NYSC, submitted it with application, whereas On the application, sibling wrote "student" as occupation. See the contradiction?. Luckily by the time sibling reapplied, call-up letter was ready and sibling attached it, made notes that "student" was selected becos as at the time of application, uni had not issued the success letter or result and so sibling could still be deemed as student.

So if you read between the lines, you'll see that the call-up letter is a supporting doc to show that applicant C intends to return by August after her visit to UK.

And yes, C needs to show at least 200-250k in the account, albeit A's sponsoring. More the better, less, the more worrisome. But remember, any lodge in Cs account should be synonymous to previous transactions in Cs account history. Doesn't make sense paying 1mill in an account that has had 1k, 2k transactions on average, or, paying 500k every day into an account that's been receiving 3k once in a blue moon, in the recent past. That's a clear case of lodgement to deceive the ECO.

Hope this helps.

Well, that is a real issue, then, 'lodgement'. Beacause although C has in the past receives this kind of money, it had been done cash in hand and I doubt that her account can show a one off payment of at least 200k. She is a mummy's girl who would normally go home to receive cash in hand from her mother since the distance from home to school was quite short. I have no doubt that she seldom deposits the full amount into her account.

Oh what to do?

3sha4lyf: It's coincidence babe, it's coincidence.



you lost me on the bolded. I should have directly asked, what year is C? Then we can take it from der.



Spot-on!!! Just do the usual let agreement that would be done anyways, with of without visa application. Only difference is a solicitors seal or rotary seal (guess that's what it's called back there) would be helpful.



Thought as much. phew!



Nope. Didn't say that. C can as well include her SoA. It's a supporting document, albeit low in finance, remember? Moreover itinerary is different from "breakdown of how the responsibility will be met". Itinerary is more like showing what and what you'll do durin your trip. Oh Nairaland message service!!! What's up with you na



Naija requests for 6months. Uk requests for 3 months. I think at this point, the laws of the land where u apply overrules the other.



No worries. Happy to help . And hope this helps.

Thanks for replying.

C graduated this June and has been enlisted for NYSC so she is no longer a student. She has her NYSC letter so I suppose this puts her in better stead as opposed to being just a student? This proves she has ties back home and removes the doubt on her intention to leave the UK after her visit? She can only stay till the end of July anyway as she has to be present in the orientation camp on the 5th August.

So either way, C should still show some n200k odd in her account despite A sponsoring? Or would a lesser amount do? She is unemployed so does not normally get that kind of money in her account hence the money will either have to come from A or B.

Oh I understood the part about an itinerary bit it was my explanation which was a bit off. Anyway, B&C are unlikely to be doing any 'touristy' stuff when around s they only have two weeks to spare. The most they would probably do is visit oxford circus, Westfield, Liverpool street(naija mothers' haven ) and the the Tower of London and maybe Big Ben. London Eye is out of the question I suppose . A drives and would be the designated chauffeur so I really wouldn't see much need for oyster except on days when they have to visit those locations mentioned.

3sha4lyf: Ok, my suggestion is that only B reapplies for now. Reason is that C might have it tough gathering supporting docs from her uni to support her application.

If I understand you, B just let a property to X. X paid in about 250k in B's account. But no let agreement has been agreed and signed yet cos X is out of town.
If this is the case, B should draft the letting agreement and sign (and seal if a lawyer is involved, the better), a receipt of payment and attach a photocopy to the application and write something like this in "other info" or on a fresh "letter of identification for UK Visa application":-

"Recent Payment of 250k (also write in words) reflects payment by Mr X (or whosoever paid it in) for new lease of property located at bla bla bla, for the period of Yyears. Please refer to attached let agreement which is yet to be signed as at time of application as tenant is out of town. Furthermore, tenant can be reached on 080........"


I think you confused A for C in the bolded. Btw, there's nothing wrong with being sponsored as an adult. The only issue is your ties back home, ie. the potent reason that can cause u to return back to Nigeria after ur visit to uk. So if you are a student, unfortunately, you have to do extra much to prove that you will return to Naija, and continue ur studies. But if u've finished skool and awaiting NYSC, like my sibling, that can b used as an evidence of strong tie. Mind you, my sibling was in all ramifications, AN ADULT yet sibling was sponsored by my sister.

Hope this helps.

Feel free to ask; you can only know more if you ask right, so don't be dismayed. At the end of the day, if you reason out what I've written out, you can deduce which is best for you and tailor it to suit your circumstance ; I mean A,B and C's circumstance.

Seing your responses always makes me feel as though I have fallen into a treasure trove.

You know what? It is uncanny, how your experience almost mirror that of my cousin's -how? Did you ask? Well just like you, A's sister, C is a recent graduate who has been drafted to embark on NYSC this August. The slight confusion for me however is that C did submit a letter from her UNI to state that she was a student of UNILAG who will be embarking on her NYSC programme but again this might have seemed contradictory as on one hand she is a graduate yet she requested testimonial from her old University- but the ECO never expressed this confusion. Anyway, her NYSC letter is now available and in addition has an offer of employment which is conditional upon her being posted to serve in Lagos. I have advised that nonetheless, she, C, provides enough evidence to show that she attended the said UNI and also enough proof that she will be embarking on her NYSC. Furthermore that she provides evidence as to why it will be desirable for her to embark on such programme and it's ramifications should she not comply with such requirement. This I hope will prove that she is intent on returning to Nigeria as it is for her utmost good. What are your thoughts on this, please?

As per the lack of tenancy agreement, I understand that one way or the other, B must be able to show the source of this fund and without documentary evidence she will be left in a pickle. My initial advise was that she makes a declaration in court for an affidavit? This is because I was wary of the implication of her drafting an agreement which will not bear the true signature of the lessee (due to his not being present) and therefore lead the ECO to presume forgery which could lead to a 10 year ban. However your advise seems sound enough, a solicitor's seal should suffice.

As per your emboldened, yeah you were right, I meant to say C, and not A. So in summary and from my modest understanding, can I assume that C does not have to show funds for her travel in her account in so far as A is willing to undertake this responsibility alongside accommodation and maintenance while in the UK? All she -A, will be required to do, is to flesh this assumption of responsibility out in a letter while also attaching a breakdown of how this responsibility will be met i.e submitting an itinerary? Also, is a required to show 6 months or 3 months bank statement? From the requirement, I think it states 3 months?

Gosh! A thousand and one questions. you must forgive me.

3sha4lyf: Ok.
I recall saying that there's nothing wrong with A sponsoring B and/or C especially if A has the monies, albeit A is a student. I recall giving an example of my sister who invited my parents and 3 siblings;2 refused for their own minor-turned-major errors, one reapplied and was granted; other couldn't be bothered reapplying.

If A decides to transfer the TP fare to B or C, B may have to explain how that money got to her account, which still ropes A in cos B will say it's from A for TP fare, AND A will still have to attest to that, which takes it to square one and u ask urself, what was the point moving the monies. If she can cover the bills as a sponsor, why not?!

Again, I can't help but reiterate it. Her being a full time student, doesn't deter A from sponsoring B. Look at it this way, what if A was working before she became a student What if A saved sooooo much monies since before studies? That's y I say it's not a deterrent.

Hope this helps. Very happy to help where I can.

Still looking for the mail... guess it's lost in the cloud. :/

You are A GEM!

While I waited for your response, I re-read your previous posts and indeed you had mentioned that a student is not prohibited from sponsoring a visitor. I am sorry for making you repeat this information. Please indulge my tardiness.

I just worry for the possibility of C being refused because as a previous responded mentioned, A is an adult and would therefore not be expected to be sponsored. Well, if it is acceptable for A to sponsor both travel and maintenance for C, then all the better.

On other notes, as luck will have it, B had some monies in excess of N250k paid into her account by one of her new lessees. Unfortunately, an agreement is yet to be made in writing and it is unlikely to be done this week as the lessee is out of town and the applicants intend to re-apply this week taking the graduation date into account. How best do you think they can explain the arrival of this funds without a contractual document between the landlord and tenant?

Again, I'm in utmost gratitude for your assistance.

3sha4lyf: No. Didn't see any though it's notifying me that there's one. I tire for the mata. Wish NL would develop PMs on this forum rather than diverting to ppl's inbox.

It should be fine now since I follow you. Please check your email as you will not be able to read the actual mail in NL anyway.

For the avoidance of going back and forth, isn't re to know if you suggested that it would not be frowned upon if my cousin deposits the air ticket fate into her mother's account. Her plan was to be the sole sponsor anyway bit because she is a full time student she assumed that this will not be allowed.

What are your thoughts? And sorry for being a pest. When it comes to immigration I'm a firm believer that no assumption should be made, you ask until you get clarity.

Apologies if I'm making you repeat what you may have mentioned before.

Hey 3sha4lyf,

I sent you an email.

I hope you received it?

3sha4lyf: Teleperformance ltd is the new company that will manage visa applications at VACs in Naija from 1 July 2014. That means lekki office don close and a new VAC is opened at VI and ppl would be expected to register with them (Teleperformance) to book an appointment at VI after filing ur online application otherwise ur appointment may be delayed.


Better for them. Vfs may not have been offering good service to them or meeting the targets outlined in their contracts. Just saying.

I am struggling to send you an email. For some reason I can't receive email from Nairaland.

Please excuse me, my English comprehension can be rustic at times. When you say N220k in both accounts, by that you do not mean n220k in each individual account but cumulatively - right? It seems so clear but I confuse myself sometimes.

Interesting though that all evidential information provided was exhaustive but the caveat, which is the further information part was left stark in b's application. C claims that she included details of A sponsoring her application but she only submitted letter from UNI stating she was a student. She submitted nothing more than this and her ID card. Apparently, there is no such thing as attendance details in Unilag or so C claims so there is uncertainty about how this requirement will be met.

I have suggested to the family that they reapply but whether imputing 200k into their accts will not be suspicious is another kettle of fish. A is still not herself as she really wants her only surviving parent to be there for her big day.

I must mention though that you guys are amazing over here. This sort of advise will take at least two to three consultation with solicitors in the UK and the fees is better left unmentioned.

I am truly grateful.

3sha4lyf: It's a Trickie one my friend.
On the one hand, B and C need to show ability to return to "something" in naija, hence the "strong ties" rubric. For B, it may not be highly required cos B is a pensioner. C is a mature and so may b required to meet this.

Tell you what, yeah, B and C can operate their accounts AS usual, funding and withdrawing as they have done previously. The ECO isn't bothered bout this. What they are against is making non-coherent transactions in the account. Eg. If you usually have 50k deposits in ur account, u now make 1m all of a sudden AND you can't xplain what job or lottery gave you that money, in your VAF. To the ECO, that's lodgement to deceive the ECO.

Let's not talk much, I think B and C should hold at least the equivalent of the cost of a return ticket today plus change of flight fee. Invariably I mean approx. NGN220k in both accounts. More, the better, slightly less, fair enough.

As long as A gets her documents from uni right, C same, A adds detailed letter of sponsorship, that's fine.
Remember that if B or C doesn't reapply before the grad, grad invitation will no longer be a valid reason for travel and A's invitation to B or C won't be regarded.

B and C should choose who will be better off present at the grad, IMO, B is better cos little requirement needed. B should also add her pension, shares certificates, etc. Major thing is that added info section. Best to write precise explanations der.

Emm...that's as much as I can think for now. HTH

Once again, I thank you for your time.

May I as though that in your opinion, and having had similar experience, how much would you suggest might be sufficient to show in 'B's account? Indeed 60k is insuuficient(grossly so) but what is deemed sufficient is still unclear-at least if they had a circa to work with, that might help. Furthermore, injecting new cash into the account to prop it will be highly suspicious. For this reason, can 'A' undertake the sponsorship solely despite hr been in full time education? She is willing but unsure if students are allowed to support invites. Or must B and C show some funds in all corners?

I thank you for your anticipated response.

3sha4lyf: Hi, I'm not JW but I can't help but respond to this...

Basically, visa application shld be treated somewhat like a cover letter. If I understand ur plight, your cousin A , unemployed and living in rented apartment in the UK, invited her mum B and sibling C for her graduation comin up in July. "A" included her 6 months bank statements of apprx 5k and tenancy agreement to support "B" and "C"'s applications.

First things first. Was "A" sponsoring the trip(s), either part or fully? If yes, "A" should have written a little letter stating the extent of sponsorship AND "B" and "C" should have reiterated this info in the "additional information" section of the visa application form (VAF). If no, then ignore this as both "B" and/or "C" ought to have had sufficient balance to cater to the trip.

Next. There is nothing wrong with someone sponsoring her family member, say with a balance of GBP5k. My sister invited and was sponsoring my PARENTS AND 3 OF OUR SIBLINGS for her graduation, not yet working then, and she didn't have up to 5k though my parents had some substantial monies in their account to show they can still sort themselves out for a day or two, shuld their sponsor run out of money. Two of the siblings were refused (it's their own minor-turned-major errors) but the other three - parents and one sibling - were given. When I visited home, I saw the error, cajoled them to reapply AND CORRECT the error, and one of them was granted visa; the other couldn't be bothered to reapply. What was the error? Sibling put "still a student, graduating XYZ date." on VAF. Siblings letter of identity from uni stated that sibling had graduated and is awaiting the next batch of NYSC. Conflicting info.

Your cousin and/or aunt might wanna reapply (if they still wanna attend the graduation) and correct the issues raised by the ECO. Also, pls note that there are NO administrative reviews for decisions on visit visa application. Administrative review is for PointBased category applications. What she "C" should be more concerned about is getting enough supporting documents from her uni to show she's currently enrolled in the said uni, has an attendance of about 80%, and will return to continue studies after the trip. If she's a final student, a letter indicating posting for NYSC might suffice.

Note: 60k (if in Naira) is rather too small to cater to transportation to & fro uk, let alone sponsor an additional person. Your cousin and aunt might wanna apply separately at different times, for a different reason (since grad is July , using grad may be invalid after July). "b" also need to write further info about how she gets monies e.g. Thru pension and/or he business, and include supporting documents for it. Shares cert. should be included as well.
Remember the "additional supporting" section. Use it well like a cover letter and explain all explainables, refer all referrals to appropriate supporting docs provided, include accurate supporting docs, and that's it. The ECO rarely goes through ALL the documents provided except they are requested in the VAF to read those letters in details to support your application. So even if sponsor writes a letter of sponsorship to the ECO, if it's not stated in the applicant's "additional supporting info" section on the last page, the ECO may not read the sponsor's documents in details or access the application to that extent. Little wonder u find people with laudable sponsor accounts denied and then their denial letter talks of how they (applicant) may not be able to support themselves during the trip and may resort to public funds. Then you ask the question "didn't the ECO see that applicant is BEING SPONSORED" or "can't ECO read?"

That being said, If I've misunderstood your plight, forgive me and just ignore this my post. But in all, I hope this helps.

Wow! Thank you so much for your detailed response. My excitement at reading another view hasn't allowed me to calmly read your post thoroughly bit from few points I grasped, I must respond that she(my cousin) did state that she will be sponsoring the trip in part. However, I do not think it was detailed by the applicants that this will be the case in the other information box.

I will now read properly and revert.

Thank you so much for your response. I really appreciate it.

3sha4lyf: Hi, I'm not JW but I can't help but respond to this...

Basically, visa application shld be treated somewhat like a cover letter. If I understand ur plight, your cousin A , unemployed and living in rented apartment in the UK, invited her mum B and sibling C for her graduation comin up in July. "A" included her 6 months bank statements of apprx 5k and tenancy agreement to support "B" and "C"'s applications.

First things first. Was "A" sponsoring the trip(s), either part or fully? If yes, "A" should have written a little letter stating the extent of sponsorship AND "B" and "C" should have reiterated this info in the "additional information" section of the visa application form (VAF). If no, then ignore this as both "B" and/or "C" ought to have had sufficient balance to cater to the trip.

Next. There is nothing wrong with someone sponsoring her family member, say with a balance of GBP5k. My sister invited and was sponsoring my PARENTS AND 3 OF OUR SIBLINGS for her graduation, not yet working then, and she didn't have up to 5k though my parents had some substantial monies in their account to show they can still sort themselves out for a day or two, shuld their sponsor run out of money. Two of the siblings were refused (it's their own minor-turned-major errors) but the other three - parents and one sibling - were given. When I visited home, I saw the error, cajoled them to reapply AND CORRECT the error, and my sibling was granted visa. What was the error? Sibling put "still a student, graduating XYZ date." on VAF. Siblings letter of identity from uni stated that sibling had graduated and is awaiting the next batch of NYSC. Conflicting info.

Your cousin and/or aunt might wanna reapply (if they still wanna attend the graduation) and correct the issues raised by the ECO. Also, pls note that there are NO administrative reviews for decisions on visit visa application. Administrative review is for PointBased category applications. What she "C" should be more concerned about is getting enough supporting documents from her uni to show she's currently enrolled in the said uni, has an attendance of about 80%, and will return to continue studies after the trip. If she's a final student, a letter indicating posting for NYSC might suffice.

Note: 60k (if in Naira) is rather too small to cater to transportation to & fro uk, let alone sponsor an additional person. Your cousin and aunt might wanna apply separately at different times, for a different reason (since grad is July , using grad may be invalid after July). "b" also need to write further info about how she gets monies e.g. Thru pension and/or he business, and include supporting documents for it. Shares cert. should be included as well.
Remember the "additional supporting" section. Use it well like a cover letter and explain all explainables, refer all referrals to appropriate supporting docs provided, include accurate supporting docs, and that's it. The ECO rarely goes through ALL the documents provided except they are requested in the VAF to read those letters in details to support your application. So even if sponsor writes a letter of sponsorship to the ECO, if it's not stated in the applicant's "additional supporting info" section on the last page, the ECO may not read the sponsor's documents in details or access the application to that extent. Little wonder u find people with laudable sponsor accounts denied and then their denial letter talks of how they may not be able to support themselves during the trip and may resort to public funds.

That being said, If I've misunderstood your plight, forgive me and just ignore this my post. But in all, I hope this helps.

Sorry was concluding until I noticed your last statement. Would it still be desperate if they waited three months to re-apply? When should be watershed be then? Six months? A year?

justwise: Comfortable means when money is not an issue, it means to be able to travel without having to save up for months and end up penniless after the trip.

1. Where will a full time student get money to sponsor somebody for visiting visa?

2. Yes if she has earned enough for 3 months to be able to sponsor her, but don't you think it will look disparate?

You have been exceptionally kind. Thank you triple much for taking time to answer me. You advice is invaluable.

justwise: Yea her mother can reapply if they can afford it comfortably

Thanks for taking time out to respond to my 101 questions, Justwise. However, what is comfortable? That is quite vague. The questions still rummaging are:

1. Can my cousin make a fresh application with her as the sponsor, say this month? She is a full time student.

2. If that is not possible can she pally as her mother's sponsor later in the year when she will have been employed for over three months? If this is a possibility what are the likely pitfalls?

I know this is a thousand and one questions but please indulge me.

Thank you so much.

justwise: That means no right of appeal, technically she can go for administrative review but she chances of winning it is pretty much remote.

Yes that's why I said re-application as in fresh application in December for the mother?

justwise: Check the last paragraph of that refusal and see if she was given full right of appeal or limited one.

Sorry, by 'they' I meant the mother.