Zoharariel:
5starGeneral Minted - What more can I say? You have said it all. The “moderate terrorists” committing “moderate crimes” on behalf of the “Land of Terror a.k.a The United States of Anarchy” not only in Syria but in all the continents of the globe.

Now, weren't you surprised that the “Committee of Amerikan Defenders” have suddenly gone AWOL on a beautiful thread like this - especially that Chicago based money-doubler who thinks inviting us over to Chicago & treating us to a delicious bouquet of 5 flower shortbread cookies will automatically win us over to the corrupt & hypocritical Amerikan lifestyle - Nigga puleaaaseeee! My mission on Earth is to bring about the downfall of Amerika by the right arm of Vladimirovich Putin

Lucasbalo - Transfer all the money in your money-doubling firm into my domiciliary account now & flee to North Korea or Cyprus - where there's no extradition treaty. Afterall - The wealth of the sinner (Amerika) is laid up for the just. (Me & My Russian Comrades)

ValerianSteel - Thunder will fire you & Benjamin SatanYahoo for misleading & brainwashing my people.

Missy89 - Repent now & submit your totality to my sexual whims while there's still time - else, you will be replaced & relegated to division 4.

CSTR9 - Desist from promoting Amerikan F-35, F-22 & B2Spirit propaganda on Nairaland henceforth, else I will unleash Russian Kalibr cruise-missiles on you & your family.

Bookface - Deactivate your facebook account & focus on selling guguru & groundnut at the Amerikan embassy in the UK.

Tdayof - Leave the ability & limit of the Russian S-400Triumf radar to the Russians & concentrate on your schooling in China or risk being deported back to Nigeria.

Mazeltov (The most honourable amongst the Committee of Amerikan Defenders) - Your silence is as deafening as ISIS Tow missiles in Syria! Come on man, say something - I can't hear you

I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for this. Lol!

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Here they are the "moderate" terrorists committing a moderate crime, while beheading a 12 year old boy in Aleppo. This crime adds to their long list of "moderate" crimes against humanity, and this is why they are supported by the Amerikan government and all their allies and puppets around the world, and celebrated as "freedom fighters" (go ask McCain and co), and the rest of that crap. To hell with them and their supporters without exception.

https://southfront.org/us-backed-moderate-rebels-behead-palestinian-kid-for-being-pro-assad-graphic-footage/

[size=18pt]US-BACKED ‘MODERATE REBELS’ BEHEAD PALESTINIAN KID OF BEING ‘PRO-ASSAD’ (VERY GRAPHIC FOOTAGE)[/size]


The US-backed ‘moderate rebels’ from the Free Syrian Army captured a palestinian kid, accused him of being “pro-Assad” and beheaded him for this.

Interesting turn of events I must say. The revelations over the past couple of days now leave only two possibilities over those behind the coup:

1. Erdogan staged it. (But considering the reasons cited by The Saker, this may have been difficult and very risky to pull off)
2. The CIA was again busy at work.

Pepe Escobar:

"This is a MAJOR story by Reuters - which actually deepens the mystery of what happened in Turkish airspace as the coup unfolded. It was published today, after my Sputnik column, which I wrote yesterday afternoon (timezone Asia). It confirms what my sources had told me, but Reuters has come up with this extra killer source - a "former military officer" - saying THIS:

"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him."

And then THIS:

"Why they didn't fire is a mystery."

MIT - Turkish intel - should know, but they're not talking. For the moment, Purge rules."

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Lacking Balance

Yet, it is Russia, not the United States, that is taken to task for not providing its data in the most pristine fashion, even as the U.S. government provides nothing at all. And whenever the MH-17 issue is raised in the major Western news media, this strange official U.S. silence is ignored or excused while other inconvenient facts are also left out, such as a report by Der Spiegel that the German intelligence service, BND, had found that MH-17 photos supplied by the Ukrainian government “have been manipulated.”


Photograph published by the New York Times purportedly taken in Russia of Russian soldiers who later appeared in eastern Ukraine. However, the photographer has since stated that the photo was actually taken in Ukraine, and the U.S. State Department acknowledged the error.

Even more egregious is the blackout that the Times and other news organizations have applied to the Dutch intelligence report regarding the presence of Ukrainian military anti-aircraft batteries in eastern Ukraine capable of bringing down a commercial airliner at 33,000 feet and the rebels lack of such a powerful weapon.

Plus, there have been official disclosures that raise serious doubts about the integrity of the JIT, which has investigators from the Netherlands, Australia, Ukraine, Belgium and Malaysia, but has fallen increasingly under the control of Ukraine’s SBU, a security and intelligence agency that is responsible for protecting Ukrainian government secrets and that has been implicated in torture and other war crimes against the ethnic Russian rebels.

Earlier this year, an interim JIT report revealed how cozy the relationship had grown between the SBU and especially the Dutch and Australian investigators who have had long stints in Kiev, getting fed “evidence” by the SBU, and depending on the Ukrainian host’s hospitality.

Though this JIT report was released publicly, its contents were ignored by the Times and other publications even amid formal complaints from the United Nations about the SBU blocking human rights investigations into alleged Ukrainian government torture centers.

The SBU’s dominance over the JIT would seem to bear on the integrity of the MH-17 investigation, but this fact also doesn’t fit the propaganda goal of pinning the deaths of 298 people on Russia. Indeed, it would put whatever the JIT does eventually conclude under the suspicion of bias and possible SBU manipulation.

An Obligatory Hat Tip

And, it seems no Times article on MH-17 would be complete without a tip of the cap to the “citizen journalism” site, Bellingcat, which has made a cottage industry out of reinforcing the West’s propaganda themes whether against the Syrian or Russian governments. Bellingcat has remained the beloved Internet site of the mainstream Western media despite a history of getting stories wrong.


Based on information from Eliot Higgins, correspondent Michael Usher of Australia’s “60 Minutes” claims to have found the billboard visible in a video of a BUK missile launcher after the shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on July 17, 2014. But the landmarks didn’t match. (Screen shot from Australia’s “60 Minutes”)

In Saturday’s article, Times reporter Kramer cited Bellingcat as a way to bolster the findings of the folks at “armscontrolwonk.com” without mentioning that Bellingcat’s earlier analysis of the “cloud” photo had been criticized by forensics experts for misusing computer software to reach anti-Russian conclusions, or as Der Spiegel reported:

“The research group Bellingcat has accused Russia of manipulating satellite images from the MH17 disaster. But German image forensics expert Jens Kriese has criticized the analysis. He says it is impossible to say with any certainty whether Moscow is lying.”

It also turns out that both Bellingcat founder Eliot Higgins and “armscontrolwonk.com” have links to the pro-NATO think tank, Atlantic Council, which has been at the forefront of promoting NATO’s new Cold War with Russia.


A screen shot of the roadway where the suspected BUK missile battery supposedly passed after the shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on July 17, 2014. (Image from Australian “60 Minutes” program)

Higgins is now listed as a “nonresident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council’s Future Europe Initiative” and armscontrolwonk.com describes one of its writers, Aaron Stein, as a nonresident fellow at the Atlantic Council’s Rafik Hariri Center for the Middle East.

Stein’s work on the Syrian conflict would intersect with Higgins’s attempts to reinforce Western propaganda blaming the Syrian government for the devastating sarin gas attack outside Damascus on Aug. 21, 2013, which proved to be one of Bellingcat’s reporting errors.

On the second anniversary of the MH-17 atrocity, it is sadly not surprising that the Times would continue to grab onto any dubious claim – and present it without meaningful context – as long as the material helps agitate the newspaper’s readers into wanting war with Russia.

Investigative reporter Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories for The Associated Press and Newsweek in the 1980s. You can buy his latest book, America’s Stolen Narrative, either in print here or as an e-book (from Amazon and barnesandnoble.com).

Today on the anniversary of the shoot down of MH17.

I believe it's obvious to all by now why this particular investigation is taking forever to conclude. You may come out with guns blazing blaming a country as the guilty party to suit your propaganda but its an entirely different ball game to cook up evidence to suit your false narrative.

Never forget: “We picked up the imagery of this launch. We know the trajectory. We know where it came from. We know the timing, and it was exactly at the time that this aircraft disappeared from the radar,” said US State Secretary John Kerry in an interview with David Gregory of NBC's Meet the Press in July 2014

[size=18pt]MH-17: Two Years of Anti-Russian Propaganda[/size]
July 17, 2016

Exclusive: Two years ago, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot out of the sky over eastern Ukraine killing 298 people and opening an inviting path for a propaganda campaign toward a new Cold War with Russia, writes Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Perhaps it’s only fitting that as we reach the second anniversary of the horrific shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flights 17, The New York Times would mark the occasion by once more using the tragedy as a propaganda club to advance the neocon goal of a new, costly and very dangerous Cold War with Russia.

On Saturday, the Times again demonstrated its disdain for normal journalistic practices as

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/world/europe/malaysia-airlines-flight-17-russia.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FMalaysia%20Airlines%20Flight%2017&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacem]it picked up[/url] an amateur assertion that the Russians had faked satellite imagery showing Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile systems in eastern Ukraine before the civilian airliner was blown out of the sky on July 17, 2014.


A photograph of a Russian BUK missile system that U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt published on Twitter in support of a claim about Russia placing BUK missiles in eastern Ukraine, except that the image appears to be an AP photo taken at an air show near Moscow two years earlier.
Since that moment, the Times and other mainstream Western publications have been determined to pin the blame for the deaths of 298 people on Russian President Vladimir Putin so the world could plunge ahead into the latest neocon scheme of destabilizing nuclear-armed Russia with the eventual aim of “regime change” in Moscow.

As revolting as it has been to watch the deaths of innocents exploited in the name of big-power geopolitics, what has been most troubling from a journalistic perspective is that the Times has cast aside any pretense of professional objectivity, much as it did during the deception of the American public over Iraq’s fictitious weapons of mass destruction in 2002-2003.

In this latest burst of anti-Russian propaganda, the Times gives great weight to some bloggers who applied a computer program supposedly to show that two Russian government satellite images were manipulated. The point is to cast doubt on whether the Ukrainian military had missiles in place in eastern Ukraine that could have shot down MH-17.

What the Times leaves out is the fact that Western intelligence has already confirmed that Ukraine’s military did have powerful anti-aircraft missiles in eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014. Last October, a Dutch intelligence report stated that fact based on NATO intelligence gathering, i.e., the West’s own satellite and other data collection.

Indeed, the Netherlands’ Military Intelligence and Security Service (MIVD) concluded that the only anti-aircraft weapons in eastern Ukraine capable of bringing down MH-17 at 33,000 feet belonged to the Ukrainian government, not the ethnic Russian rebels.

MIVD made that assessment in the context of explaining why commercial aircraft continued to fly over the eastern Ukrainian battle zone in summer 2014. (The MH-17 flight had originated in Amsterdam and carried many Dutch citizens, explaining why the Netherlands took the lead in the investigation.)

MIVD said that based on “state secret” information, it was known that Ukraine possessed some older but “powerful anti-aircraft systems” and “a number of these systems were located in the eastern part of the country.” MIVD added that the rebels lacked that capacity:

“Prior to the crash, the MIVD knew that, in addition to light aircraft artillery, the Separatists also possessed short-range portable air defence systems (man-portable air-defence systems; MANPADS) and that they possibly possessed short-range vehicle-borne air-defence systems. Both types of systems are considered surface-to-air missiles (SAMs). Due to their limited range they do not constitute a danger to civil aviation at cruising altitude.”

Lacking Motive

In other words, the Russians would have no clear motive to doctor satellite photos since accurate ones would have shown the presence of Ukrainian Buk missile batteries in the area. You might have thought that the Times would have considered this fact relevant in evaluating claims from some amateur analysts about whether photos were manipulated or not.


Two slides released by the Russian Federation purporting to show a Buk missile launcher absent from a Ukrainian military base (left), and a pair of Buk missile launchers in a field on the day of the shootdown (right). [From armscontrolwonk.com]

Instead, reporter Andrew E. Kramer, who has been a regular contributor to the Times’ anti-Russian propaganda campaign, treats the findings by some nuclear arms control researchers at the Middlebury Institute for International Studies as definitive though there’s no reason to believe that these folks have any special expertise in applying this software whose creator says requires careful analysis.
Roger Cozien, designer of the filtering software Tungstene, has warned against rushing to judge “anomalies” in photographs as intentional falsifications when they may result from the normal process of saving an image or making innocent adjustments.

In an interview in Time magazine, Cozien said, “These filters aim at detecting anomalies. They give you any and all specific and particular information which can be found in the photograph file. And these particularities, called ‘singularities’, are sometimes only accidental: this is because the image was not well re-saved or that the camera had specific features, for example.

“The software in itself is neutral: it does not know what is an alteration or a manipulation. So, when it notices an error, the operator needs to consider whether it is an image manipulation, or just an accident.”

As Cozien described the process, it becomes clear that the trick of detecting an intentional manipulation rather than some normal or innocuous anomaly — that might occur in transferring an image from one format to another or making contrast adjustments or adding a word box — is more art than science.

And, there is no reason to believe that the Middlebury Institute’s arms control researchers have some special expertise in photographic forensics beyond having purchased the Tungstene suite of software upon which they based their report at the “armscontrolwonk.com” Web site.

Double Standards

The report’s authors also take the Russians to task for the lack of precision of the two images. “The image files are very poor quality,” they write. “We are very disappointed that the Russian Federation, in such an important matter, would release such low quality images as evidence. … Russian officials must know that releasing images in such a format makes it more difficult to verify the integrity of the images…”


Russian President Vladimir Putin answering questions from Russian citizens at his annual Q&A event on April 14, 2016. (Russian government photo)

Nevertheless, these researchers make sweeping judgments about the presence of a cloud in one photo and the allegedly sharper image of two Ukrainian Buk missile launchers in the other. Yet, why the Russians would add a cloud makes little sense. (July 17, 2014, was a partly cloudy day in eastern Ukraine, so perhaps the cloud is in the image just because the area was under a partial cloud cover.)

The researchers archly note that “UN Security Council Resolution 2166 calls on states to ‘provide any requested assistance to civil and criminal investigations.’ … We believe Russia should provide the original, underlying images in an unaltered form to the Joint Investigative Team [which is conducting the criminal investigation into the MH-17 crash] to allow independent experts to verify their claims.”

Sure, of course, but the arms control bloggers don’t call on the U.S. government to release its satellite and other intelligence data relating to the MH-17 shoot-down.

The real filter that needs to be applied when dealing with either The New York Times or some of the “citizen journalists” who pop up to reinforce the U.S. government’s propaganda themes is their unrelenting anti-Russian bias. Can anyone recall the last time The New York Times or any mainstream U.S. news outlet has presented a favorable or even neutral story about Russia?

The U.S. ‘Dog Not Barking’

Along those lines, neither the researchers’ report nor the Times’ article offers any criticism of the U.S. government, which has claimed to have satellite intelligence showing where the anti-aircraft missile was fired but has refused to release that important information to the public or apparently even to official MH-17 investigators.


Secretary of State John Kerry at a press conference on Aug. 6, 2015. (State Department photo)

On July 20, 2014, just three days after the disaster, Secretary of State John Kerry appeared on all five Sunday talk shows including NBC’s “Meet the Press” where he cited some “social media” to implicate the ethnic Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine and added: “But even more importantly, we picked up the imagery of this launch. We know the trajectory. We know where it came from. We know the timing. And it was exactly at the time that this aircraft disappeared from the radar.”

Two days later, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence released a “Government Assessment,” also citing “social media” seeming to implicate the rebels. Then, this white paper listed military equipment allegedly supplied by Russia to the rebels. But the list did not include a Buk missile battery or other high-powered anti-aircraft missiles capable of striking MH-17, which had been flying at around 33,000 feet.

The DNI also had U.S. intelligence analysts brief a few select mainstream reporters, but the analysts conveyed much less conviction than their superiors may have wished, indicating that there was still great uncertainty about who was responsible.

The Los Angeles Times article said: “U.S. intelligence agencies have so far been unable to determine the nationalities or identities of the crew that launched the missile. U.S. officials said it was possible the SA-11 [the designation for a Russian-made anti-aircraft Buk missile] was launched by a defector from the Ukrainian military who was trained to use similar missile systems.”

That uncertainty meshed somewhat with what I had been told by a source who had been briefed by U.S. intelligence analysts shortly after the shoot-down about what they had seen in U.S. high-resolution satellite photos, which they said showed what looked like Ukrainian military personnel manning the battery which was believed to have fired the missile.

There is also an important distinction to make between the traditional “Intelligence Assessment,” which is the U.S. intelligence community’s gold standard for evaluating an issue, complete with any disagreements among the 16 intelligence agencies, and a “Government Assessment,” like the one produced in the MH-17 case.

As former CIA analyst Ray McGovern wrote: “The key difference between the traditional ‘Intelligence Assessment’ and this relatively new creation, a ‘Government Assessment,’ is that the latter genre is put together by senior White House bureaucrats or other political appointees, not senior intelligence analysts. Another significant difference is that an ‘Intelligence Assessment’ often includes alternative views, either in the text or in footnotes, detailing disagreements among intelligence analysts, thus revealing where the case may be weak or in dispute.”

In other words, a “Government Assessment” is an invitation for political hacks to manufacture what was called a “dodgy dossier” when the British government used similar tactics to sell the phony case for war with Iraq in 2002-2003.

However, more relevant to the recent Times article is the fact that the U.S. government has withheld from the public – and even from official investigators – important information for determining the guilty parties and holding them accountable. For instance, neither the Dutch Safety Board, which headed up the initial investigation, nor the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) has been able to pinpoint the site of the missile firing.

Though Kerry insisted that the U.S. government knew that fact three days after the incident, the Dutch Safety Board said last October that it had narrowed the likely firing location only to an area of 320-square kilometers covering territory used by both the rebels and the government. The JIT has promised the families of Dutch victims that it would determine that detail later this year (now more than two years after the shoot-down).

If one wants to apply Sherlock Holmes logic to this “dog not barking” problem, you would probably conclude that the U.S. government clammed up after Kerry’s statements and the DNI’s sketchy white paper because – as more evidence was uncovered and analyzed – it was not pointing in the direction that U.S. propagandists wanted.

Missy89:
Rule 15, section K : How to be a sucessful worm inside the colon of a KGB autocrat - volume 3

Quote a post that is trying to expose you as Russiabot quickly, try to control the argument by attaching some importance to yourself. Wait for your superior opponent to dominate you as usual and run away like a coward

Goodness gracious! There's is no point actually...Dancing round in circles when you get trapped in your own snare won't help you. You came out guns blazing once you saw the word America in my previous post and like the troll that you are, and without reading the details you automatically retorted with your "Aha! The blame America crew!"

Now, that you have finally got my attention, please do not waste it. Once again, when you show me where I employed the "BLAME AMERICA " tactic, I might take you up on your pleas to debate, troll....

Missy89:

Rule 5, section 3, sub-section e : Pootine azz eating manual


When every narrative and conspiracy fails, fall back to the tested and trusted tactic. BLAME AMERICA

Ok! I see that you have been trolling, begging for my attention. Now you have it..

Where did I BLAME AMERICA?

This is rather interesting. Coupled with the fact that Erdogan has also insinuated that Amerika was behind this coup attempt.

This aligns with your theory, Scully95.

Turkish Foreign Minister: Military From NATO Incirlik Airbase Involved in Coup Attempt
Translated by Ollie Richardson for Fort Russ
16th July, 2016

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Earlier the Pentagon said that all military operations in Incirlik airbase are suspended.

Today the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey Mevlut Cavusoglu said that several soldiers from the NATO air force base in Incirlik were involved in plotting a coup in the country.

As a reminder, earlier the power supply to the military base was cut and entrance blocked by the decision of the Turkish authorities, and the American Consulate recommended that US citizens temporarily refrain from visiting it.

ValerianSteel:
Zoharariel and Cowardminted Nairaminted the chief arm chair Google analyst.You both proved how unintelligent you are.You were quick to judgement and your first comments on this thread displays how shallow your knowledge is on most matters we discuss here.

I was quick to call that the coup heralded an exit of Erdogan's authoritarian regime. The possible reasons why the coup happened in the first place are still valid. And the fact remains that today Turkey is more fractured than ever and that Turkey is still seeking a detente in relations with Russia (which leaves open a new theory on the possible instigators) So your point exactly would be?

You were supposed to strike out my real handle by the way and replace it with the slur, like this: Nairaminted Cowardminted but I guess that's quite a feat for you, beyond your cognitive abilty...... Come up with creative slur names of your own by the way...Are you too unintelligent for any original thought? Mr follow follow

Oladat:
Look how stupid you are made to look now!The turkish people are wiser than you are(they know that the worst form of democracy is better than the best form of millitary regime).That is why they put aside their partisanship to chase away those impostors camouflaging as the saviours of the people.

I must admit, my assessment of the situation was premature. Erdogan although unpopular in some quarters enjoyed considerable support from some of his citizens and perhaps with some of them recounting their experience with past military regimes, were not going to put up with another.

Erdogan lives to fight another day. The seeds of discord however have been sown and Erdogan in his country's best interest has to scale back from his excesses lest his country plunge into the same type of situation that his actions in Syria has contributed to.

Sibel Edmonds & James Corbett speak about this Military attack in Turkey happening 6 months ago. According to them, this is a US/CIA/NATO reverse engineering of Erdogan. Their prediction is that he will be replaced by someone much worse, and the Turkish people will pay dearly for this

Sibel's prediction starts at min 26:04 (with a History lesson from the beginning of how this came to be)

Cc: Scully95 Your angle of viewing the situation here..

Goodnight!





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Sibel Edmonds of BoilingFrogsPost.com joins us once again to discuss the ongoing "reverse engineering" of Erdogan by the NATO/CIA/Kurdish/Israeli/Russian forces that oppose him. We talk about the hypocritical and nearly-unanimous coverage of Erdogan's abuses and how and why this narrative is converging now to finish the US/NATO task of removing him from office to usher in a more pliable puppet.

Turco:
Dear People of Nairaland,

Hello from Turkey. I am Turkish National, living in Turkey. I've been following this forum for more than 2 months and I've been being a member of this forum for more than 2 weeks. I just wanted to state a comment here. There are 81 cities in Turkey and this attempt is happening only in 2 cities of country. Ex-president is on air, and he says; ''Turkey is neither a Latin American country nor an African country. There will be no coup in this country. This is just an attempt from bunch of soldiers who are minority in army.'' This is very unusual to Turkish democracy. We have no idea what is going on at the moment but usual life is still going on. We're just watching TV channels and following Twitter about the situation. So everyone must calm down. Nothing is happening. We can be against the government or with the government but we're all against the coup. Current president, current prime minister, current head of parliament was on air. In a coup, it is not possible. So, we're just watching the news. You can ask anything you want.

What's the situation now? Seems the mutineers are being suppressed? What's the mood out there?
What future does Erdogan have?

There is a memo making the rounds about a joint strike force between the US and Russia against ISIS. This comes at the heels of a thaw in relation between Russia and Turkey. And now this coup in the midst of all of Erdogan's transgressions.

I don't know what more to think may be ongoing in the background. We can only monitor and wait as events unfold

Now this is getting really messy.

F-16 shoots down helicopter and forces massacre civilians!

Power struggle ongoing

scully95:


you are right here.. if there is one thing that this coup means, it's the anglozionist victory since edorgan changed his moves all of a sudden and to turn back to Russia for help or restore relations with Russia..

this is really unbelievable, just at the time Russia is winning, these crooks have hijacked power again.

this is not a good news at all. there are even news flying everywhere that erdogan plans to let Russia use the ircirc air-base, the one NATO is currently using in turkey.

this is red lines for the anglozionist empire that wants the blood to continue running in Syria.

this is not a goodness at all.

Hmmm... You may be right. Didnt look at it from that angle

On the other hand, Scully95 , you may be wrong seeing that Erdogan is calling on citizens to go on the streets and protest (cannon fodder lol)

We can only be sure over the next few days

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Turkish security officers detainunknown individuals on the side of the road on July 15, 2016 in Istanbul, during a security shutdown of the Bosphorus Bridge. © Bulent Kilic

Turkey’s government appears to have been overthrown in a coup, as the military claimed taking control over the country.
Heavily armed soldiers and military vehicles closed the two main bridges in Istanbul Friday evening, and while low-flying military jets could be heard overhead.


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Sultan Erdogan fanboys, where are thou?

Erdogan's plate was full: repression of the press and heavy handed crackdown on freedom of speech, providing aid jihadists in Syria and Iraq and allowing them free unhindered access through Turkey, illegal cross border incursions into Syria and Iraq, the genocidal crackdown on Kurds where several Kurish cities were wiped out, shooting down a Russian jet which in turn tanked the economy when Russian tourists stopped visiting and the general instability that Erdogan's actions brought upon his country are all possible reasons why these brave military officers have staged this coup

Erdogan's apology to Putin and his move to seek a detente in relations with Russia and step back from his ill-advised and delusional goals came too late. Good riddance!

CC: Zoharariel, Appleyard, Scully95

Whilst I greatly admire Putin, I don't believe he said this if not the western media will twist to paint him in bad light.
Sourc please.

Meanwhile Erdogan's Turkey is unraveling with a coup attempt in progress

Lol! Zoharariel, this is rubbish na. This isn't even from a seating US senator so whatever she says is irrelevant and besides those news reports stating that they are only 4 or 5 bonafide rebels fighting in Syria is bogus horsesh*t. It's videoshop

Lol! That's the kind of response you'll receive from the PAC - Putin Haters Club - (why don't we use the same silly weak-ass argument against them as well ) in 1,2,3......

Zoharariel:


You should ask Y Erdogan has been all over Putin - begging him to lift sanctions & restore bilateral trades even when he initially stuck to his empty guns that he would never apologise.

When his blossoming economy suddenly shrunk by almost 60% in less than 7months, then did he understand, that even among men - Vladimirovich Putin is a God!

Well said. Erdogan is now repentant and grovelingly apologetic. The blow back his country suffered from aiding terrorists and the severe damage his economy suffered is more than enough revenge. If Putin could, he would employ soft power (inter bank and inter country transactions, etc) revenge against ISIS as well and save precious armament. Putin has made it clear that about 40 countries empower ISIS by facilitating their illicit oil and artifacts deals one way or the the other but as always, Amerika has pretended like they don't know what he's talking about.

More from Anthony Cartalucci:

"Did France honestly think it could arm, fund, and spread terrorism all over the planet and be spared the cruelty it has cynically used to overthrow governments abroad and expand its interests overseas?

There will be theories about how much the French intelligence and security community knew about the suspect and the attack, but one thing is for sure, even if it is just a random attack, it is ALL BUT INEVITABLE when you are maintaining a global mercenary force of dangerous, deadly, highly indoctrinated terrorists amid a purposefully divisive climate of hate, division, hysteria, and fear.

Do the French people not somehow see their French mandate flag being waved in the hands of terrorists in Syria or hear the words of their own leaders lending them support as they saw the heads off people over there?

They never imagined these instruments of geopolitical criminality might end up "accidentally" wandering back over to France from whence the arms and cash enabling their atrocities came?"

Anthony Cartalucci:

"Nice, France - 70+ Killed as Truck Drives over Crowd

1. This is why you need to address the cause of violence rather than the means. Gun control is an unhealthy obsession that truly does NOT make anyone safer. 70+ dead by simply taking a truck and driving it through a crowd... 9/11 was allegedly guys with box-cutters hijacking airplanes. 3,000 dead.

Address the cause of violence, not the means with which it is carried out. And make sure what you do to address violence is actually, truly addressing it and not making it worse (i.e. the fake "War on Terror."

2. 70+ dead is tragic - but no more tragic than the daily events playing out in Iraq, Syria, or Libya. The West doesn't seem to care about that - in fact - the West created that ongoing, daily tragedy and actively works to make it even worse. Why should we care "more" about this?

Just more senseless violence and for a West dedicated to warmongering, it's time they get used to it. No "French flag avatar" for me...

3. My thoughts and prayers and daily work is ALWAYS dedicated to protecting innocent life, whether in Nice, France, the rest of Europe or North America, or the Middle East, Asia, Africa, or South America. No population is more deserving of pity or sympathy...

4. For the people of France, if this is related to "terrorism," you have two choices: continue falling into the trap of racism and bigotry, expanding this problem, or holding those in your government accountable who have supported state-sponsors of terrorism including Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and who have sponsored terrorism in Libya and Syria now for 5 years+ while pitting the people of France against themselves along racial and religions lines without consequence."

MORE:

Anonymous warning on WWIII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnAeM73hIpU



While an individual such as Alex Jones wouldn't be my ideal emissary of the message in the video below, the message nonetheless must be listened to:
Putin issues desperate warning on WWIII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMMscY7Btus




Zoharariel, seems the spambot eventually got you even though you were wary of it happening. I avoid posting articles with Cyrillic characters in them for one.

Once again, like everything Amerika, the Israeli connection pops up again and again...

[size=24pt]Police Murder Because They Are Trained To Murder — Paul Craig Roberts[/size]
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Police Murder Because They Are Trained To Murder

Paul Craig Roberts

In response to my request for information on US police training
(http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/07/08/why-dallas-happened-paul-craig-roberts/), readers have sent in a variety of information that seems to fit together. I am going to assemble it as best I can as a working hypothesis or provisional account. Perhaps a former or current police officer concerned about the change in the behavior of US police, or an expert on police training and practices, will come forward and verify or correct this provisional account.

First, we know that the police have been, or are being, militarized. They are armed with weapons of war that hitherto have been used only on battlefields. We don’t know why police are armed in this way, as such weapons are not necessary for policing the American public and are not used in police work anywhere except in Israeli-occupied Palestine.

There is an undeclared agenda behind these weapons, and neither Congress nor the presstitute media have any apparent interest in discovering the hidden agenda.

Nevertheless, the militarization of the police fits in with what we know about police training.

There are sourced reports that US police are receiving training from Israel, both from traveling to Israel and in the US from Israeli training firms or from US firms using Israeli methods. See, for example, https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/homeland.html and http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/us-police-get-antiterror-training-israel-privately-funded-trips

The training of American police by Israeli occupation forces is not an Internet rumor or “conspiracy theory.” It is a fact acknowledged by the Israeli press: http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-trains-us-law-enforcement-in-counter-terrorism/

Israeli police practices arose from decades of occupying a hostile Palestinian population while stealing the Palestinians’ land and isolating the population in ghetto enclaves. Essentially, Israeli police practices consist of intimidation and violence. https://electronicintifada.net/content/israels-export-occupation-police-tactics/8485

We know from innumerable news reports over many years the behavior of the occupying Israeli Army toward the Palestinian population. In four short words: it is extremely brutal.

For a soldier, especially a female soldier, to execute a child and his mother in the streets of Palestine or in the family’s home requires that soldier to have been desensitized to human life that is not Israeli. This requires Palestinians to have been dehumanized, as the native inhabitants of what is today the United States and Australia were dehumanized by the European immigrants who stole their land.

On the basis of this information, we can infer that the Israeli training of US police teaches the police to see only police lives as valuable and the lives of the public as potential threats to police lives. This is why American police often murder a wrongly suspected person and almost always an unarmed one. The examples are numerous. You can spend much of your life just watching on youtube the existing videos of wanton murders of US citizens by police.

The American police are being taught at public expense that only their lives are valuable, not our lives. Therefore, in any encounter with a citizen, the automatic assumption is that the citizen intends harm to the police and must be immediately forcefully subdued and handcuffed or, alternatively, shot dead. The police are trained that the safest thing for the police to do is to terminate the suspect even if it is a soccer mom who forgot to signal a turn while driving her kids to a practice.

In other words, the American police have no more obligation to respect the lives and rights of US citizens than the Israeli occupying forces have to respect the lives and rights of Palestinians.

This does appear to be an accurate description of the situation. Even the New York Times has blown the whistle on William J. Lewinski, who trains US police to shoot first and he will answer the questions for them in court, on the rare occasion that the wanton murder they committed lands them there. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/us/training-officers-to-shoot-first-and-he-will-answer-questions-later.html?_r=1

What about racism? Racism is the answer put forward by liberals, progressives, the putative leftwing, and by blacks themselves.

There are problems with the racist explanation. One obvious problem is that the American police wantonly murder and brutalize white people also. Just the other day the police murdered a 19 year old white American while he lay on the ground. And the TSA abuses far more whites than it does blacks. See my website for recent examples of both.

A former black police officer provides revealing insight into the real situation. He says that about 15% of a police department consists of people who are there for the right reasons and represent a culture of public service. Another 15% are psychopaths who routinely abuse their power. The remaining 70% of the department goes with whichever of the two cultures prevails. Unfortunately, “the bad officers corrupt the department” and the Chicago police under former Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge proves the case. http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/race-police-officer

The former black police officer assigns blame to “institutional racism.” However, based on what we have learned about Israeli police training, the police bias against black Americans might not be racist or totally racist. Blacks in America have a history of dehumanization. In the eyes of police trainers, American blacks fit the mold of Palestinians. It is easier to begin the training process by making American police indifferent to the lives of an already dehumanized element of the US population. Once the police are indoctrinated to see themselves not as servants of the people but as “exceptional, indispensable people” whose lives must never be at risk, it is a simple matter to generalize the feeling of police superiority over the white population as well.

I have always been suspicious of the racist explanation. This is an explanation fed to the public in order to break the public into waring factions that cannot unite against their real oppressors. Indoctrinated as we are to hate and fear one another, those who rule and abuse us can do as they will.

It is as clear as a clear day that only a tiny percentage of white Americans belong to the One Percent. The rest of us are of no more consequence to those who rule than are blacks. Yet, we are divided, fearful of and opposed to one another. What a success for the One Percent !

Let me be clear. Just as we oppose the mentality of violence that is being inculcated into the police who live on our earnings, numerous Jews and Israelis themselves oppose the settler mentality that the Israeli government has come to represent. Jews are among the most ardent defenders of human rights of our time. Think of Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky Ilan Pappe, and the American Civil Liberties Union. Think of the brave Israeli organizations that oppose the theft of Palestinian lands and villages. We cannot damn an entire people for the sins of their political masters. If so, then after Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama, all Americans are damned.

The two greatest threats to the world are American and Israeli exceptionalism. It is the success of the indoctrination of this Nazi doctrine of exceptionalism that is the source of the violence in the world today.

The problem of American police violence is that the police are now defined as exceptional and unaccountable. They can kill the rest of us without accountability, just as Washington slaughters untold numbers of peoples in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and Pakistan. Unexceptional peoples are dispensable.

It is paradoxical that training US police in the violent methods of the Israeli occupying forces is justified with the argument that it is necessary to save American lives from terrorists when the actual result is far more Americans killed by police than by terrorists.

Clearly the police training is counterproductive.

It would seem that the families of those murdered and abused by police have good grounds for suing mayors, city councils, county commissioners, governors and state legislators for negligence in police oversight. The evidence is in. The police are taking lives, not saving them. The training is a total failure. Yet it persists. This is a high order of negligence and failure by public authorities.

Originally posted on Sep 16 2013 as well:

[size=24pt]» Police Are More Dangerous To The Public Than Are Criminals — Paul Craig Roberts[/size]

By: pcr3| September 16, 2013 | Categories: Articles & Columns | Tags: police brutality, | Print This Article Print This Article

The goon thug psychopaths no longer only brutalize minorities--it is open season on all of us --the latest victim is a petite young white mother of two small children

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36211.htm


Police Are More Dangerous To The Public Than Are Criminals

Paul Craig Roberts

The worse threat every American faces comes from his/her own government.

At the federal level the threat is a seventh war (Syria) in 12 years, leading on to the eighth and ninth (Iran and Lebanon) and then on to nuclear war with Russia and China.

The criminal psychopaths in Washington have squandered trillions of dollars on their wars, killing and dispossessing millions of Muslims while millions of American citizens have been dispossessed of their homes and careers. Now the entire social safety net is on the chopping bloc so that Washington can finance more wars.

At the state and local level every American faces brutal, armed psychopaths known as the police. The “law and order” conservatives and the “compassionate” liberals stand silent while police psychopaths brutalize children and grandmothers, murder double amputees in wheel chairs, break into the wrong homes, murder the family dogs, and terrify the occupants, pointing their automatic assault weapons in the faces of small children.

The American police perform no positive function. They pose a much larger threat to citizens than do the criminals who operate without a police badge. Americans would be safer if the police forces were abolished.

The police have been militarized and largely federalized by the Pentagon and the gestapo Homeland Security. The role of the federal government in equipping state and local police with military weapons, including tanks, and training in their use has essentially removed the police from state and local control. No matter how brutal any police officer, it is rare that any suffer more than a few months suspension, usually with full pay, while a report is concocted that clears them of any wrong doing.

In America today, police murder with impunity. All the psychopaths have to say is, “I thought his wallet was a gun,” or “we had to taser the unconscious guy we found lying on the ground, because he wouldn’t obey our commands to get up.”

There are innumerable cases of 240 pound cop psychopaths beating a 115 pound woman black and blue. Or handcuffing and carting off to jail 6 and 7 year old boys for having a dispute on the school playground.

Many Americans take solace in their erroneous belief that this only happens to minorities who they believe deserve it, but psychopaths use their unaccountable power against everyone. The American police are a brutal criminal gang free of civilian control.

Unaccountable power, which the police have, always attracts psychopaths. You are lucky if you only get bullies, but mainly police forces attract people who enjoy hurting people and tyrannizing them. To inflict harm on the public is why psychopaths join police forces.

Calling the police is a risky thing to do. Often it is the person who calls for help or some innocent person who ends up brutalized or murdered by the police. For example, on September 15 CNN reported a case of a young man who wrecked his car and went to a nearby house for help. The woman, made paranoid by the “war on crime,” imagined that she was in danger and called police. When the police arrived, the young man ran up to them, and the police shot him dead. http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/15/justice/north-carolina-police-shooting/

People who say the solution is better police training are unaware of how the police are trained. Police are trained to perceive the public as the enemy and to use maximum force. I have watched local police forces train. Two or three dozen officers will simultaneously empty their high-capacity magazines at the same target, a minimum of 300 bullets fired at one target. The purpose is to completely destroy whatever is on the receiving end of police fire.

US prosecutors seem to be the equal to police in terms of the psychopaths in their ranks. The United States, “the light unto the world,” not only has the highest percentage of its population in prison of every other country in the world, but also has the largest absolute number of people in prison. The US prison population is much larger in absolute numbers that the prison populations of China and India, countries with four times the US population.

Just try to find a prosecutor who gives a hoot about the innocence or guilt of the accused who is in his clutches. All the prosecutor cares about is his conviction rate. The higher his conviction rate, the greater his success even if every person convicted is innocent. The higher his conviction rate, the more likely he can run for public office.

Many prosecutors, such as Rudy Giuliani, target well known people so that they can gain name recognition via the names of their victims.

The American justice (sic) system serves the political ambitions of prosecutors and the murderous lusts of police psychopaths. It serves the profit motives of the privatized prisons who need high occupancy rates for their balance sheets.

But you can bet your life that the American justice (sic) system does not serve justice.

While writing this article, I googled “police brutality,” and google delivered 4,100,000 results. If a person googles “police brutality videos,” he will discover that there are more videos than could be watched in a lifetime. And these are only those acts of police brutality that are witnessed and caught on camera.

It would take thousands of pages just to compile the information available.

The facts seem to support the case that police in the US commit more crimes and acts of violence against the public than do the criminals who do not wear badges. According to the FBI crime Statistics
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/ summary in 2010 there were 1,246,248 violent crimes committed by people without police badges. Keep in mind that the definition of violent crime can be an expansive definition. For example, simply to push someone is considered assault. If two people come to blows in an argument, both have committed assault. However, even with this expansive definition of violent crimes, police assaults are both more numerous and more dangerous, as it is usually a half dozen overweight goon thugs beating and tasering one person.

Reports of police brutality are commonplace, but hardly anything is ever done about them. For example, on September 10, AlterNet reported that Houston, Texas, police routinely beat and murder local citizens. http://www.alternet.org/investigations/cops-are-beating-unarmed-suspect-nearly-every-day-houston?akid=10911.81835.yRJa7d&rd=1&src=newsletter894783&t=9&paging=off

The threat posed to the public by police psychopaths is growing rapidly. Last July 19 the Wall Street Journal reported: “Driven by martial rhetoric and the availability of military-style equipment--from bayonets and M-16 rifles to armored personnel carriers--American police forces have often adopted a mind-set previously reserved for the battlefield. The war on drugs and, more recently, post-9/11 antiterrorism efforts have created a new figure on the US scene: the warrior cop--armed to the teeth, ready to deal harshly with targeted wrongdoers, and a growing threat to familiar American liberties.”

The Wall Street Journal, being an establishment newspaper, has to put it as nicely as possible. The bald fact is that today’s cop in body armor with assault weapons, grenades, and tanks is not there to make arrests of suspected criminals. He is there in anticipation of protests to beat down the public for exercising constitutional rights.

To suppress public protests is also the purpose of the Department of Homeland Security Police, a federal para-military police force that is a new development for the United States. No one in their right mind could possibly think that the vast militarized police have been created because of “the terrorist threat.” Terrorists are so rare that the FBI has to round up demented people and talk them into a plot so that the “terrorist threat” can be kept alive in the public’s mind.

The American public is too brainwashed to be able to defend itself. Consider the factthat cops seldom face any consequence when they murder citizens. We never hear cops called “citizen killer.” But if a citizen kills some overbearing cop bully, the media go ballistic: “Cop killer, cop killer.” The screaming doesn’t stop until the cop killer is executed.

As long as a brainwashed public continues to accept that cop lives are more precious than their own, citizens will continue to be brutalized and murdered by police psychopaths.

I can remember when the police were different. If there was a fight, the police broke it up. If it was a case of people coming to blows over a dispute, charges were not filed. If it was a clear case of assault, unless it was brutal or done with use of a weapon, the police usually left it up to the victim to file charges.

When I lived in England, the police walked their beats armed only with their billysticks.

When and why did it all go wrong? Among the collection of probable causes are the growth or urban populations, the onslaught of heavy immigration on formerly stable and predictable neighborhoods, the war on drugs, and management consultants called in to improve efficiency who focused police on quantitative results, such as the number of arrests, and away from such traditional goals as keeping the peace and investigating reported crimes.

Each step of the way accountability was removed in order to more easily apprehend criminals and drug dealers. The “war on terror” was another step, resulting in the militarization of the police.

The replacement of jury trials with plea bargains meant that police investigations ceased to be tested in court or even to support the plea, usually a fictitious crime reached by negotiation in order to obtain a guilty plea. Police learned that all prosecutors needed was a charge and that little depended on police investigations. Police work became sloppy. It was easier simply to pick up a suspect who had a record of having committed a similar crime.

As justice receded as the goal, the quality of people drawn into police work changed. Idealistic people found that their motivations were not compatible with the process, while bullies and psychopaths were attracted by largely unaccountable power.

Much of the blame can be attributed to “law and order” conservatives. Years ago when New York liberals began to observe the growing high-handed behavior of police, they called for civilian police review boards. Conservatives, such as National Review’s William F. Buckley, went berserk, claiming that any oversight over the police would hamstring the police and cause crime to explode.

The conservatives could see no threat in the police, only in an effort to hold police accountable. As far as I can tell, this is still the mindset.

What we observed in the police response to the Boston Marathon bombing suggests that the situation is irretrievable. One of the country’s largest cities and its suburbs--100 square miles--was tightly locked down with no one permitted to leave their homes, while 10,000 heavily armed police, essentially combat soldiers armed with tanks, forced their way into people’s homes, ordering them out at gunpoint. The excuse given for this unprecedented gestapo police action was a search for one wounded 19-year old kid.

That such a completely unnecessary and unconstitutional event could occur in Boston without the responsible officials being removed from office indicates that “the land of the free” no longer exists. The American population of the past, suspicious of government and jealous of its liberty, has been replaced by a brainwashed and fearful people, who are increasingly referred to as “the sheeple.”

More on police brutality in Amerika. I originally posted this in Sep 16 2013. I think its not just a police vs. Black thing. I think its a police vs. the citizens of Amerika thing

Police Brutality
Face-breaking Florida Police Under Investigation for DUI Arrest

[img]http://cmsimg.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=CD&Date=20130910&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=130910009&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Update-Attorney-says-TPD-subjected-woman-police-brutality-during-DUI-arrest[/img]
Shocking dashcam video shows cops in Tallahassee slam their pint-sized, female prisoner onto a patrol car and then the pavement. One cops mashes her face into the street as the woman howls in pain.

Amerika's (through NATO) pursuit for world hegemony and whilst drowning in its own hubris and grandeur of its unchallenged power and reach,
in 2002, unilaterally and without consultation, withdrew from the landmark Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty; expanded NATO - which has
no excuse for its continued existence post the Cold War - to the borders of Russia; overthrew the democratically elected government of
Ukraine which in turn sparked a referendum for secession by the ethnically Russian people of strategically important Crimea and a civil war
right across the border from Russia in Eastern Ukraine; shamelessly and without any shred of evidence demonized Russia and incessantly
accused it of a phantom "Russian Aggression"; commissioned ABMS (which can be fitted with offensive capabilities and also hit Russia within
5 minutes of launch - and which were initially claimed to be a deterrent against a non-existent Iranian nuclear threat) in Romania and
Poland; has brought us to this to precarious situation. Putin has relentlessly extended a hand of partnership, mutual respect and
cooperation between Russia and Amerika but this unfortunately has been rejected by the "exceptional and indispensable" country which
Amerika stakes claim to.

Amerika's reckless gambit of military buildup and the establishment of these missile bases right at Russia's borders has forced Russia's
hand. Putin has made it clear that Russia will not accept Amerikan missile bases in Poland and Romania. He has informed Washington and the
imbecilic Polish and Romanian governments. However, as Putin observed, “they don’t hear.” [Putin Issues
Desperate Warning of WWIII]

Putin is doing what any patriotic and responsible leader of a powerful nation would do: protect his people and guarantee their security.

Further insight here:

Start of a New World War
Will Russia and China Hold Their Fire Until War Is the Only Alternative? — Paul Craig Roberts
China and Russia prepare for a hot war with Eurangloland
Armageddon Approaches — Paul Craig Roberts
Paul Craig Roberts — Vladimir Putin Is The Only Leader The West Has
German minister warns Nato against 'warmongering'
German Politicians In Crimea Demand The Immediate Lifting Of Sanctions (VIDEO)
Evidence Continues To Emerge MH17 Is A False Flag Operation



I have provided a number of articles from Paul Craig Robert because no one says it in a more direct and straight-talking manner than he does.

Be sure to make the following sites - in a rough order of preference - your sources for real news: thesaker.is, PaulCraigRoberts.org,
consortiumnews.com, theduran.com, fort-russ.com, sputniknews.com, rt.com and many others that you would undoubtedly come across in the course of reading from these sites.

Also follow seasoned and informed Foreign Affairs participants such as Appleyard, Zoharariel (Akathriel), Underground, Nairaminted,
Cyprus000, Scully95 for better understanding of the geopolitcal events on the world stage especially as it relates to relations
(and tensions) between the major world players; Amerika, Russia, China and the E.U.


And welcome to the Foreign Affairs section

In the face of Amerika's reckless push for war, Putin is doing what any patriotic and responsible leader of a powerful nation would do: protect his people and guarantee their security.