THE BIBLE CONFIRMS THE MESSENGERSHIP OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH)

BY
SALIM I. HASSAN
Salimullah December, (2009)
Some laymen among the Christians, due to their irrational prejudice, are usually fond of saying prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a liar, and or fabricated messenger (God forbids) and all sort of bad names. Such groups of Christians are they really understand and appreciate their distorted bible? And if they understand it are they really abide by its provisions and apply its instructions. If they will be sincere towards their bible they will not even despise the great prophet (pbuh) let alone to reject him. They still insist that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not a prophet much less a messenger of God. But ironically enough, their bible (despite of numerous distortions & human fabrications) still speaks of Messengership of the great prophet (pbuh). The biblical distortions and human fabrications notwithstanding, the biblical truth (which was originally in the Gospel) is never being altered, and or expurgated; it is still reliable and extant. Both the Jews and the Christians know him more than their knowledge of their sons; and so also their learned men. But they were misguided only by indulging into the habit of hiding the truth just out prejudice and envy. Our Qur’an tells us that: “….when there came to them that which they very well recognize, they knowingly rejected it; Allah's curse is on such disbelievers…, ” (Q2:89).

I am now going to bring to you some little powerful biblical evidence that are not only irrefutable but also untouchables by any critic. But before that let me make it very clear to you that in our noble Qur’an God accounts for Jesus proclaiming to his people that after him, soon a messenger shall come from God whose name shall be ‘AHMAD’, (Q61:6). So many biblical evidences confirm this powerful fact about the Messengership of our noble prophet (pbuh). Some of which are:

Fact 1: Deut.18: 18: "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

An imperative question arises as to ask who are these brethren of the Israelites (i.e. descendants of Isaac)? Christians have must to answer this question and if they can’t let us here it from the Genesis17:20: “And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation”.

And we have already known that an angel had appeared to Hagar (the Abraham’s wife) and giving her glad tidings of a son to be named Ishmael (Gen. 16:11, and God did bless Ishmael, the first son of Abraham, and promised to make a great nation out of him (Gen. 17:20 & Gen. 21:13). His eminence, the late Deedat wrote: “If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another. The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israelites because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among themselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!”
Fact II: Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God; His messenger who shall not fail nor be discouraged till he has set judgement on earth. Moreover, Isaiah 42:11 connects that awaited messenger with the descendant of Kedar, who was the second son of Ishamael, (Gen. 25:13) the ancestor of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Fact III: And who is that prophet mentioned in Deut. That is like unto Moses? Jesus said about that prophet: “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is to your advantage that I go away. For I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart he will be sent to you, he will guide you unto all truth for he shall not speak of himself but whatever he shall hear that he shall speak” (John 16: 7&13).

Fact IV: The coming of prophet as God’s messenger foretold in the books of John 16:12-14, Habakkuk 3:3, Song of Solomon 5:10-13, Deuteronomy 33:1-2, Matthew 23:39, John 14:30 and e.t.c. His eminence, the late Deedat had once wrote and proclaimed that: “Muhummed is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5:16. The Hebrew word used there is Muhammuddim. The end letters IM is plural of respect majesty and grandeur. Minus "im" the name would be Muhamud translated as "altogether lovely" in the Authorized Version of the Bible or 'The Praised One' 'the one worthy of Praise' i.e. MUHUMMED! (P.B.U.H)

Fact V: The transfer of God’s kingdom from Jerusalem to Mecca foretold in the book of Matthew 21:42-3, and Psalm 118:22-26 both verses refer to Gen. 21:8-11. Also, the migration of the noble prophet (pbuh) and the fall of Mecca during his emergence to Islamic power foretold in the book of Isaiah 21:13-17.

And Finally, I say peace be upon those who follow guidance. The biblical references used can be found in the King James Version of 1611 C.E, the Revised Standard Version of 1951 and the re-Revised Version of 1971.

Submitted by Salimullah

All the shit u just wasted your time and typed,does not make any sense.

Salim,i totally agree wit wat u posted.i pray they reflect on it without sentiment.

just wait and see the kufrs derail the topic again with their sensless posts. Any sensible post would be to prove Abusafwan wrong or show that the verses do mean as he claimed. Lets watch this one unfold

Allahu akbar

Imoh byron.i agree wit u on d condition that u hav eyes but u can't see,u hav brain but u cant think.u hav mind without direction.why dnt u research on d references he provided b4 spittin wat u feel.by d way hw old ar u?

Liar @imoh byron or should I say momoi biro. in your picture u look like a frustrated he goat with that your long lips like pig u Understand everything ABU SAFWAN has posted stop pretending and stop foolling urselve. Believe it or not PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SAW) is indeed a PROPHET and if u are doubting me go check the Real Bible and not the new testarment that almost everything have been changed u people have turned Injil (Bible) into something else. why decieving urselve, foolling urselve changing the Authentic one I mean Original into counterfit. I have just one advice for u ''it is not over untill its over'' I mean is not too late to convert/embrace  ISLAM! U know the Truth say it don't be afraid no bobody will kill u for saying the Truth. Otondo like u kgboko, dommy, Malu.

@ABU SAFWAN THANK YOU VERY MUCH MAY ALMIGHTY ALLAH (SWT) BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY! AND MAY ALLAH ALSO BLESS ALL THE LOVER OF ISLAM! Nice one from You Abu Safwan! Tanx nd May Allah Grant us all Aljanatul Firdaus. In addition may we not Go astray AMIN.

Now i know my Redeemer liveth.

the_seeker:

just wait and see the kufrs derail the topic again with their sensless posts. Any sensible post would be to prove Abusafwan wrong or show that the verses do mean as he claimed. Lets watch this one unfold

No, those of us who bother to post messages and comments on subject-threads like this do not dash for derailment as first-aid. The fact is that this very cacophony has already featured on Nairaland a couple of times (can't presently find examples, but came across some when I joined Nairaland - will provide a few links when I have the time).

Be that as it may, it is quite funny that the prophethood of Muhammad cannot stand on its own until your Muslims have tried to steal quotes from the scriptures and writs of religions that you condemn. It is not only from the Bible that muslim apologists are seeking to plaster credibility for Muhammad, but some have gone as far as trying to seive through so many writs (including Hindu and Parsi) and just bring up any fanciful tale to argue that this and that "confirms" the messengership of Muhammad. Poor scholarship.

Let me just point out one false foundation upon which Salim I. Hassan built his arguments:

Fact 1: Deut.18: 18: "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

Please let me know: was Muhammad ever a Jew? How was Muhammad 'from among their brethren'?

@lawrence ofcourse ur REDEEMETH LIVETH and EXISTETH THAT IS ALMIGHTY ALLAH THE CREATOR OF ISA JESUS! So what do u mean Ashawo woman! like u castrated she goat!!

Habib16:

@lawrence ofcourse your REDEEMETH LIVETH and EXISTETH THAT IS ALMIGHTY ALLAH THE CREATOR OF ISA JESUS! So what do u mean Ashawo woman! like u castrated she goat!!

I can help but laugh at ur pathetic self,Almighty allah, the creator of issa?. . . . .WTF is that!

Did u go to college at all, and does Lawrence come across to u as a female, u pathetic pervert
Am sure u r one of these school drop outs, killing themselves because of religion, brainwashed f.ool
Pls if u r not OK wt my post, jst read and move.
I thought Islam is a religion of peace, religion of peace, my sexy backside

@viaro look at u, u fool u have nothing say/do that will change the unchangeable just admit it THEIR IS NO GOD EXCEPT ALLAH AND MHAMMAD IS A PROPHET OF ALLAH. In addition admit this too ALLAH IS THE CREATOR OF ISA HE IS THE CREATOR OF ur grand father and grand mother, HE IS THE CREATOR OF ur father nd mothe not to talk about u. ALLAHU AKBAR! ALLAH IS GREAT!
@viola u are the Phat, Phatz, Phatest fool i've ever ear of or seen Otondo like u. u are a very very big Duldrum! Lol

Habib16:

@viaro look at u, u fool u have nothing say/do that will change the unchangeable just admit it THEIR IS NO GOD EXCEPT ALLAH AND MHAMMAD IS A PROPHET OF ALLAH. In addition admit this too ALLAH IS THE CREATOR OF ISA HE IS THE CREATOR OF your grand father and grand mother, HE IS THE CREATOR OF your father nd mothe not to talk about u. ALLAHU AKBAR! ALLAH IS GREAT!
@viola u are the Phat, Phatz, Phatest fool i've ever ear of or seen Otondo like u. u are a very very big Duldrum! Lol

When someone reacts like the above, it confirms just one thing for me: rationale has taken flight and idiocy has come to roost.

Habib, if allah has answers rather than shouting, just calm down and provide a sane answer to the simple questions in my previous post: "was Muhammad ever a Jew? How was Muhammad 'from among their brethren'?"

It is when you do so that we can then proceed and discuss. To begin spewing derision does not help your allah - and I wasn't joking in saying that muslim apologists are often found stealing verses from other religions to dress up claims for Muhammad.

Thank you very much Punkinmusty, Habib and other for giving me your credit. Those who wnat prove my psot wrong let them adopt the simple way in doing - I mean that they should bring some biblical qoutes that contradict the truth that I have extracted from thier very own bible. Viaro qoutes me and says:

viaro:

Let me just point out one false foundation upon which Salim I. Hassan built his arguments:
Please let me know: was Muhammad ever a Jew? How was Muhammad 'from among their brethren'?

perhaps he did not rear the post in full but I let him read this again:

"“And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation”.
And we have already known that an angel had appeared to Hagar (the Abraham’s wife) and giving her glad tidings of a son to be named Ishmael (Gen. 16:11, and God did bless Ishmael, the first son of Abraham, and promised to make a great nation out of him (Gen. 17:20 & Gen. 21:13). His eminence, the late Deedat wrote: “If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another. The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israelites because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among themselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!”.  ALLAHU AKBAR!"
Or is Ishmael not the son of Abraham? Or is Ishamael not the ancestor of Prohphet Muhammad (pbuh)? to believe as such is to confess that your own is a liar.  The truth is that you cannot defeat these very biblical truth that I have put forward because ther are right-base and evidence-informed; however you can say all your wishful and baseless talks will just go up to smoke.

just watch out for Viaro response. he will pretend as if he does not understand english and say something offpoint without adressing the challenge.
this is the usual christian tactics when cornered

If The Holy Bible as claimed by the poster is a distorted scripture, why are you looking unto it for guidance? That only meant that you believe Bible to be a Book of Truth and Prophecy, if not how can you conclude that it predict the coming of Muhammad in a clear term? Since the Bible has not been distorted as you claimed in the day of Muhammad (7th century), because he (muhammad) claimed that his Quran is confirmation of the Bible, when was the distortion took place?

How can you say that Mohammad is the holy spirit promised by Jesus Christ? Or can you say that Mohammad is the prophet for-told by Moses when the more evidence point to Jesus Christ? if your claim is right don't you think that Mohammad would had referred to it in the Quran when he was seeking for approval from his kinsmen and Jews of his time?

More internal evidence from the Bible point to Jesus as the for-told Prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18.

Stop twisting the scriptures as "untaught and unsteady are twisting, as [they do] also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."

@Abu-Safwan

Your kind only quote from the bible when it suits your agenda. In another breath you would swiftly condemn the book your mischevious prophet plagiarized.

viaro:

When someone reacts like the above, it confirms just one thing for me: rationale has taken flight and idiocy has come to roost.

Habib, if allah has answers rather than shouting, just calm down and provide a sane answer to the simple questions in my previous post: "was Muhammad ever a Jew? How was Muhammad 'from among their brethren'?"

It is when you do so that we can then proceed and discuss. To begin spewing derision does not help your allah - and I wasn't joking in saying that muslim apologists are often found stealing verses from other religions to dress up claims for Muhammad.

Once again, I intervene with simple answer. Habib Let him know that the Bible identified that Ishamael is the son of Abraham meanwhile Ishmael is the ancestor of prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Addtionally, Jesus said about that prophet: “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is to your advantage that I go away. For I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart he will be sent to you, he will guide you unto all truth for he shall not speak of himself but whatever he shall hear that he shall speak” (John 16: 7&13). Likewise, The coming of prophet as God’s messenger foretold in the books of John 16:12-14, Habakkuk 3:3, Song of Solomon 5:10-13, Deuteronomy 33:1-2, Matthew 23:39, John 14:30 and e.t.c. His eminence, the late Deedat had once wrote and proclaimed that: “Muhummed is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5:16. The Hebrew word used there is Muhammuddim. Can you still reject your bible? Habib you know that the problem with most of this people is that they know nothing about the original Gospel. If Allah wishes Viaro will accept the truth and I wish him the best. I also wish that Banom will accpet the truth in the near future for he is still seeking for it with rational objectivity. I once again felicitate him for making a first good step toward the truth when he diverted from Atheism to Christianity. Much effort remained to be done by Banom in realizing the next truth but it is easy to acquire.

Akanniade:

@Abu-Safwan

Your kind only quote from the bible when it suits your agenda. In another breath you would swiftly condemn the book your mischevious prophet plagiarized.

So please qoute (if you can) a single biblical verse that contradicts the ones I have qouted. It is not a matter of suiting one's agenda. If you assume it as such so, now your agenda is to disprove my factual evidence, therefore can you bring a single reference that suit your agenda to disprove truth I have raised. Simple and Easy or easy-peasy!

TrueSeeker:

If The Holy Bible as claimed by the poster is a distorted scripture, why are you looking unto it for guidance? That only meant that you believe Bible to be a Book of Truth and Prophecy, if not how can you conclude that it predict the coming of Muhammad in a clear term? Since the Bible has not been distorted as you claimed in the day of Muhammad (7th century), because he (muhammad) claimed that his Quran is confirmation of the Bible, when was the distortion took place?

Yes of course it is distorted scripture and I use it as a reference not for the Muslims but for you christians to become convinced with what your bible is saying. Since you believe in it I must use it against you. I am not looking unto bible for guidance (God forbid) because my noble Qur'an suffices me. The purpose of my post is to convince the christians and yet they remain sturbborn. If I want do it for Muslims I will use the Qur'an reference. But now how can I use the Qur'an to convince the Christians  when they now seem to disbelieve even in the very biblical reference I used agaisnt them!!

TrueSeeker:


How can you say that Mohammad is the holy spirit promised by Jesus Christ? Or can you say that Mohammad is the prophet for-told by Moses when the more evidence point to Jesus Christ? if your claim is right don't you think that Mohammad would had referred to it in the Quran when he was seeking for approval from his kinsmen and Jews of his time?

Can you please, prove with a single biblical verse that the prophecy is aimed at Jesus? How can that be possible when the Jesus himself prophesied that: "“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is to your advantage that I go away. For I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart he will be sent to you, he will guide you unto all truth for he shall not speak of himself but whatever he shall hear that he shall speak” (John 16: 7&13).

As you say that: "if your claim is right don't you think that Mohammad would had referred to it in the Quran when he was seeking for approval from his kinsmen and Jews of his time? So let me inform you (for you dont know) that this is also a fact in the Qur'an that prove prophecy of Jesus fortelling the coming of prophet's muhammad's messengerhip. Allah the Exalted account Jesus in the Qur'an proclaiming that soon a messenger shall come from God whose name shall be ‘AHMAD’, (Q61:6).  And this is the message extend by prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to not only his kinmsen (as you asked about) but also to the entire world race includin you and the Jews! This means that prophet Muhammad had reffered to this this truth when addressing his people and the Jews of his time. The problem is that fail to understand your own bible, imagine how te situation will be when it comes to Qur'an - the very book your are fighting. If God wills you will be guided and I pray for you to attain that very perfect complete GUIDANCE OF ALLAH!

the_seeker:

just watch out for Viaro response. he will pretend as if he does not understand english and say something offpoint without adressing the challenge.
this is the usual christian tactics when cornered

Instead of typing childish one-liners like someone biting his finger nails, why don't you just wait until viaro responds? Are you almost pis.sing in your drawers?

Abu-Safwan:

Once again, I intervene with simple answer. Habib Let him know that the Bible identified that Ishamael is the son of Abraham meanwhile Ishmael is the ancestor of prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Addtionally, Jesus said about that prophet: “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is to your advantage that I go away. For I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart he will be sent to you, he will guide you unto all truth for he shall not speak of himself but whatever he shall hear that he shall speak” (John 16: 7&13). Likewise, The coming of prophet as God’s messenger foretold in the books of John 16:12-14, Habakkuk 3:3, Song of Solomon 5:10-13, Deuteronomy 33:1-2, Matthew 23:39, John 14:30 and e.t.c. His eminence, the late Deedat had once wrote and proclaimed that: “Muhummed is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5:16. The Hebrew word used there is Muhammuddim. Can you still reject your bible? Habib you know that the problem with most of this people is that they know nothing about the original Gospel. If Allah wishes Viaro will accept the truth and I wish him the best. I also wish that Banom will accpet the truth in the near future for he is still seeking for it with rational objectivity. I once again felicitate him for making a first good step toward the truth when he diverted from Atheism to Christianity. Much effort remained to be done by Banom in realizing the next truth but it is easy to acquire.

It's nice for you to try and intervene on Habib's behalf. I was looking through the threads to see where these things have been discussed soundly to the conclusion that no Muslim was able to show that Muhammad is ever called 'the Holy Spirit' anywhere. When I find them, I shall post the links. . or just repost the whole thing here from the discussants. I've become a tard lazy these days to keep reposting links of subjects that have already been discussed too many times. But I would like to address your reply to me directly.

Abu-Safwan:

Yes of course it is distorted scripture and I use it as a reference not for the Muslims but for you christians to become convinced with what your bible is saying.

Lol, I don't see Christians playing these dubious games of trying to use the distorted texts of the quran to prove anything about Jesus Christ. Christianity does not have to give credibility to itself on the basis of what Islam states, whether from the quran, hadiths, or anywhere wlse of your Islamic jurisprudence.

Abu-Safwan:

Viaro qoutes me and says:

viaro link=topic=373466.msg5215819#msg5215819 date=1262171270:

Let me just point out one false foundation upon which Salim I. Hassan built his arguments:
Please let me know: was Muhammad ever a Jew? How was Muhammad 'from among their brethren'?

perhaps he did not rear the post in full but I let him read this again:

I read the post in full before raising that enquiry. I see your own explanation failed once again to make any case for Muhammad as a Jew. But let me humour you on your own ideology on these things:

"“And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation”.
And we have already known that an angel had appeared to Hagar (the Abraham’s wife) and giving her glad tidings of a son to be named Ishmael

Hagar was not Abraham's wife. Get over it. In Genesis 16:3, Sarai told her handmaid Hagar and gave the latter as 'wife' to Abraham; but this very act violates marriage customs back then, and that is why you won't find anyone addressing Hagar as Abraham's wife. In Genesis 16:6, Abraham still referred to Hagar as Sarai's maid; in verse 8 the angel addressed Hagar as Sarai's maid and asked her to return to her mistress Sarai in verse 9.

(Gen. 16:11, and God did bless Ishmael, the first son of Abraham, and promised to make a great nation out of him (Gen. 17:20 & Gen. 21:13). His eminence, the late Deedat wrote: “If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other.

Deedat is neither an 'eminence' nor an intelligent expositor. Where has any Muslim recognized any Jew to be his brother? Ask the late Deedat that question when you stir him up from his grave. You can't use a lie to cover up for what Muslims all over the world deny! But I shall come back to this to point out why Deut. 18:18 does not make Muhammad a Jew.

The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another.

Then why do Muslims never refer to or recognize the Jews/Israel as their own brethren even today?

Abu-Safwan:
The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18).

Hehe. . you just use a concordance and see 'brethren' without noting the context and distinction. Let me help you: Genesis 16:12 says of Ishmael, 'his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him' - and that is what the Arabs today have shown again and again to the Jews. I don't remember once when the Arabs have tried to bury their hatchet and lived peacefully in the midst of Israel. Do you?

But Genesis 25:18 shows again that Ishmael died in the presence of 'his brethren', which is not referring to the Jews. In verse 6, Abraham had already sent Ishmael away from Isaac and that is clear fact that they could not have been dwelling together. But who are the brethren of Ishmael? Verse 18 you quoted gives the clue - Ishmael dwelt 'from Havilah unto Shur, that is before Egypt, as thou goest toward Assyria - and this place of Ishmael's dwelling is where he died: for that is where 'his brethren' dwelt at the time, and that was a very different location from where Isaac dwelt, since Abraham had sent all the others away unto 'the east country' as verse 6 says.

The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites.

I don't know how many Muslims believe that - otherwise you tell me why Muslims hate the Jews.

In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israelites because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham.

Muhammad was not descended from the lineage of Israel and cannot be a Jew. Period. When Ishmael was being sent away from Isaac, it was then declared that the covenant of the Jews would be with ISAAC, not Ishmael - see Genesis 17:19 "Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him". Where is Muhammad in that covenant of the Jews?

Abu-Safwan:
This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18).

And that is what I shall dwell upon.

The foundation of Deuteronomy 18:18 is the Mosaic covenant given to Isreal as found reiterated in Deuteronomy chapter 5 - "The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb", and goes on to show that this covenant was not made with any other nation apart from the Jews. For Deut. 18:18 to have any import, it would have to be based on the covenant which forms its foundation - and that is where we shall try to understand what is meant in that context by 'brethren'.

First, Jews do not receive their prophecies from Arabs - which is why that verse in 18:18 clearly points out.

Second, 'brethren' as used there is one of covenant relationship among all those who are home-born as Jews and can show their pedigree from the families of Israel. Others who lived among them but could not point to any Jewish family ties were called 'sojourners' or 'strangers', not brethren. It is for this reason that two distinct groups were recognized in Israel based upon that covenant: "Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel" (Lev. 20:2).

Third, it is important for anyone at that time to identify their pedigree - otherwise it would be practically impossible for such a person to know where they stood in relation to the covenant life of Israel. Some of these covenant living include:

[list][li]the feast of the Jews[/li]
[li]political and civil life[/li]
[li]covenant relationships in prophecy[/li][/list]

Where is Muhammad in all that?

But more to the point is that there was only ONE LAW applicable to all who dwelt within Israel (Lev. 24:22); yet, sojourners (that is non-Jewish people dwelling in Israel) could not partake of the feasts of the Jews in exactly the same ceremonial standing as a native Jew. Why? Because when the covenant was made and ratified, it was representing only Jews - "The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day" (Deut. 5:3). So what then does this entail? Look below:

A. Jewish Feasts - Conditions for the Sojourner:

[list]Exodus 12:43-45, 48 ~~ "And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof: But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof. A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof." . . . "And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof."[/list]
[list]Exodus 29:33 - "And they shall eat those things wherewith the atonement was made, to consecrate and to sanctify them: but a stranger shall not eat thereof, because they are holy."[/list]
[list]Lev. 22:10 - "There shall no stranger eat of the holy thing: a sojourner of the priest, or an hired servant, shall not eat of the holy thing."[/list]


B. Jewish Political Governance - Strangers Cannot Be Kings

[list]Deuteronomy 17:14-15  ~ "When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me; Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother."[/list]


The Law makes a clear case for the following regarding Jews and sojourners/strangers:

[list](a) a sojourner or stranger (a non-native Jew) could not be a Jewish priest
(b) a sojourner or stranger (a non-native Jew) could not be a Jewish king
(c)  a sojourner or stranger (a non-native Jew) could not be a Jewish prophet[/list]

And all those 3 elements were pointing to the very Messiah in Jewish prophecies.

You can see that the Law does not confuse a Jew for a non-Jew; and nowhere in the Law is an Arab included in the covenant of the Jews. Muhammad is not one of the Jews, nor could he have been one of their 'brethren' to rise from among them based on that Jewish covenant. Deedat should have pointed all this to you and told you the plain truth - no, he did not; rather he just trailed off wherever he saw 'brethren' and assumed it applied to Muhammad; yet, not even Muhammad recognized the Jews as his 'brethren', and that is no surprise to see why the Arab Muslims hate the Jews to this day.

The truth is bitter. I pray may Almighty Allah open their eyes so that they can see the truth.

olalekan1:

The truth is bitter. I pray may Almighty Allah open their eyes so that they can see the truth.

Indeed, truth is bitter - especially when you can't see that quoting Deuteronomy 18:18 for Muhammad is a blatant lie.

@Abu-safwan

Can you please, prove with a single biblical verse that the prophecy is aimed at Jesus? How can that be possible when the Jesus himself prophesied that: "“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is to your advantage that I go away. For I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart he will be sent to you, he will guide you unto all truth for he shall not speak of himself but whatever he shall hear that he shall speak” (John 16: 7&13).

Stop playing fool for Jesus say this in clear term: "In fact, if YOU believed Moses YOU would believe me, for that one wrote about me." John 5:46
Apostle Peter also shed more light when he applied Deut 18:18 to Jesus in an epic sermon to the Jews of his day: "In fact, Moses said, ‘Jehovah God will raise up for YOU from among YOUR brothers a prophet like me. YOU must listen to him according to all the things he speaks to YOU.  Indeed, any soul that does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.’ And all the prophets, in fact, from Samuel on and those in succession, just as many as have spoken, have also plainly declared these days." Acts 3: 22-24.

I hope you got that.

On issue of the comforter you did not complete the verse in your Ahmed deedat quotation let us read further:

Nevertheless, I am telling YOU the truth, It is for YOUR benefit I am going away. For if I do not go away, the helper will by no means come to YOU; but if I do go my way, I will send him to YOU. And when that one arrives he will give the world convincing evidence concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment:  in the first place, concerning sin, because they are not exercising faith in me;  then concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and YOU will behold me no longer;  then concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
 “I have many things yet to say to YOU, but YOU are not able to bear them at present.  However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming.  That one will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and will declare it to YOU.  All the things that the Father has are mine. That is why I said he receives from what is mine and declares [it] to YOU. In a little while YOU will behold me no longer, and, again, in a little while YOU will see me.”

Do you see it is The Spirit of Truth, that is what Christ promised is immediate followers. They need comfort and understanding of scriptures after the death of their master, no wonder they all gathered in a room at Jerusalem waiting for the promised comforter. Do you think it will be logical for them to wait for 600years for your Muhammad?

It is obvious dat viaro n lawrence ar comfortable livin in d dark.i think u shuld be askin urselves why did d christiandom deviate frm al dz facts instead of proving hw ignorant u can be.salim i dey feel u.jazakallahu khair.

Punkinmusty:

It is obvious dat viaro n lawrence ar comfortable livin in d dark.i think u shuld be askin urselves why did d christiandom deviate frm al dz facts instead of proving hw ignorant u can be.salim i dey feel u.jazakallahu khair.

First, my posts are not to 'prove' anything about me or anyone else. If it helps, it should just show that Muslims are not too sure of their own religion until they steal verses from every religion to give Muhammad some credibility in Islam.

Second, talking about deviation, are you the only Muslim who is ignorant about the fact that Islam today is deviant, divided, daffy, deciduous, and deleterious? Can you claim that your own sect in Islam among the more than seventy-two factions is the closest to the sunah of Muhammad? Are you even sure you will enter jannah free of charge? Instead of trying to be reasonable and think through my response to the OP, you're hiding behind two fingers knocking silly lullabies on your keyboard. Next time you crawl out to just through spit after chewing your miswak, take care not to do so on viaro.

TrueSeeker:

@Abu-safwan
Stop playing fool for Jesus say this in clear term: "In fact, if YOU believed Moses YOU would believe me, for that one wrote about me." John 5:46
Apostle Peter also shed more light when he applied Deut 18:18 to Jesus in an epic sermon to the Jews of his day: "In fact, Moses said, ‘Jehovah God will raise up for YOU from among YOUR brothers a prophet like me. YOU must listen to him according to all the things he speaks to YOU.  Indeed, any soul that does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.’ And all the prophets, in fact, from Samuel on and those in succession, just as many as have spoken, have also plainly declared these days." Acts 3: 22-24.

I hope you got that.

On issue of the comforter you did not complete the verse in your Ahmed deedat quotation let us read further:

Nevertheless, I am telling YOU the truth, It is for YOUR benefit I am going away. For if I do not go away, the helper will by no means come to YOU; but if I do go my way, I will send him to YOU. And when that one arrives he will give the world convincing evidence concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment:  in the first place, concerning sin, because they are not exercising faith in me;  then concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and YOU will behold me no longer;  then concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
“I have many things yet to say to YOU, but YOU are not able to bear them at present.  However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming.  That one will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and will declare it to YOU.  All the things that the Father has are mine. That is why I said he receives from what is mine and declares [it] to YOU. In a little while YOU will behold me no longer, and, again, in a little while YOU will see me.”

Do you see it is The Spirit of Truth, that is what Christ promise is immediate followers. They need comfort and understanding of scriptures after the death of their master, no wonder they all gather in a room at Jerusalem waiting for the promised comforter. Do you think it will be logical for them to wait for 600years for your Muhammad.

Nice one

When will muslims stop this indirect insult on jesus by making frivolous posts.
Trying to compare jesus with mohammad who was just a normal human being like us apart from being a prophet isnt proper.Jesus is super human.Pls dnt blasphem

Dint the quran talked about the mystery of the birth of jesus<

@toba,God bless u.
As for all u muslims goat,u can go and plan a suicide bombing attack like ur 4ken xtremist brother(farouk),thank God he was caught.
Hope that's the legacy ur mohammed left for yall.Lol.
And go Bleep ur pathetic self.
JESUS RULES.

@ all Muslims dnt worry and dnt get pestrated. ALLAH SAID IN THE SURAT AL-JATHIYAH VERSE 7,8 & 9 Woe to every sinful liar.
Who hears the Verses of ALLAH (being) recited to him, yet persists with pride as if he heard them not. So announce to him a painful torment!
And whe learns something of our Verses (this Qur'an), he makes them a jest. For such there will be a humiliating torment.

The kafr I wont be amazed at ur reaction because Almighty Allah (SWT) has said it. But still we the Muslims will not be silent.