Mathew 19
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an [size=18pt]hundredfold,[/size] and shall inherit everlasting life.

KJV


It seems Christians too are going to enjoy a 100 wives in Heaven

Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.


Those who can see the truth let them see it. Those who want to be ignorant let them be ignorant.

^^^^

Check the King James Version instead of behaving arrogantly ignorant. 

http://kingjbible.com/matthew/19.htm

http://aramaic-plain-english.scripturetext.com/matthew/19.htm

http://drb.scripturetext.com/matthew/19.htm

http://darbybible.com/matthew/19.htm

http://worldebible.com/matthew/19.htm

http://yltbible.com/matthew/19.htm

i wonder who the term Ignorant suits more!

wetu:


Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.


Those who can see the truth let them see it. Those who want to be ignorant let them be ignorant.

Thanks for sharing this. A hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. And this is KJV. We notice that there is nothing like a hundred wives here. Luke also captures this saying in the verse below:

"And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come everlasting life" (Luke 18:29-30).

Check the plurals against the singular, the present time and the world to come.  You will notice that wife is in the singular He did not say wives, and that this will happen in this present time and if it is for the kingdom's sake he will be rewarded with everlasting life.  There is no marriage or giving in marriage in heaven.

If you are to understand anything at all know that one man is only entitled to one wife and not many wives in this present time and that there is no marriage in heaven.

^^^^

Aya so Mathew did not know what he was saying, as clearly mathew was reffering to heaven, as he said Hunred fold and everlasting life! I hope

OLAADEGBU:


Check the plurals against the singular, the present time and the world to come.  You will notice that wife is in the singular He did not say wives, and that this will happen in this present time and if it is for the kingdom's sake he will be rewarded with everlasting life.  There is no marriage or giving in marriage in heaven.

If you are to understand anything at all know that one man is only entitled to one wife and not many wives in this present time and that there is no marriage in heaven.

Haba! the verse I brought is Mathew how does luke fit in here? this is a poor excuse!

vedaxcool:

^^^^

Aya so Mathew did not know what he was saying, as clearly mathew was reffering to heaven, as he said Hunred fold and everlasting life! I hope

Your "holy book" tells you to seek for understanding from the people of the book so it will do you well if you listen and read attentively if you are to comprehend what is written in the Truth book.  Matthew wrote what he personally witnessed Jesus Christ saying:

And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

He said that they would receive an hundredfold then comma, then He said "and" shall inherit everlasting life.  What's your problem with that?  Is it a problem of grammar or is it the Victorian English?

vedaxcool:

Haba! the verse I brought is Mathew how does luke fit in here? this is a poor excuse!

Mark and Luke captured the same saying with different perspectives.  Scriptures interpretes itself and that's why we compare scriptures with scriptures so as to get better understanding.  You just don't read one verse and run away with it as you have just done.  The Scriptures has its way of confirming and authenticating itself.

OLAADEGBU:

Your "holy book" tells you to seek for understanding from the people of the book so it will do you well if you listen and read attentively if you are to comprehend what is written in the Truth book.  Matthew wrote what he personally witnessed Jesus Christ saying:

And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

He said that they would receive an hundredfold then comma, then He said "and" shall inherit everlasting life.  What's your problem with that?  Is it a problem of grammar or is it the Victorian English?

Lol, lol  so mathew knew about comma? FYi common does not occur in the original Greek of bible so I ask is this guy is joking right? Jesus promised 100 wives for leaving 1 why query his statement and alter it?  My holy book said I should use my common sense when reading what people say, nowhere did it say i should ask Olaadegbu what the bible say, My holy scripture also says the bible is corrupt and altered, hope you also accept what it says


Mark and Luke captured the same saying with different perspectives.  Scriptures interpretes itself and that's why we compare scriptures with scriptures so as to get better understanding.  You just don't read one verse and run away with it as you have just done.  The Scriptures has its way of confirming and authenticating itself.

Compare? Authenticate? Smh, the two verses are saying identical things but you know what you are definitely kidding, as mathew and luke present two different Genealogy, oga Compare, please which is the real list, I keep laughing at your selective comparisons that only you understands. I will like to see how Nathan and Solomon can be one and the same thing? till den Veda x Cool    .    ,   . 

The bottomline is that Vedaxcool has hit on a very good point that many try to brush under the carpet, even as they also try to use it to manipulate arguments to their advantage.

All texts can be interpreted in a variety of different ways. Lately on NL some christians have tried to interprete some koranic texts to mean that Mohammed promised his followers homosexual liasons with young boys in heaven. The same things can easily be done to the bible. Anybody can find what they are looking for in the bible. It is often as easy as adding a comma here, or shifting it from there to elsewhere etc, when in fact there is no such thing as comma in greek grammar.

There are many vaguities in language that are often exploited by agenda driven sects to make their point. An example would be the JW's interpretation of the first passage of the Gospel of John.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was a god. This is just as valid an interpretation of the Greek text as that say 'and the Word was God'.

This is how we know the difference between true Christians who read the Bible to know and obey the will of God and those who read the bible to suit their own preconceived ideas and intentions. True Christians will compare Scripture with scripture as wetu has done above but those looking for excuses to commit evil will surely get what they are looking for. Guys like vedaxcool will be looking into the Scriptures to see what justifies his quest for many wives here on earth and 72 virgins in paradise. It is like a rope which can be a life saver to get you out of a deep pit and also can be used as a noose to hang yourself. Your intention determines what you will find in it.

There is a very significant difference between the two following statements:

1. This is a valid (or possible) interpretation of X passage

2. This interpretation of X passage "is just as valid" as . . . .

I hope olaadegbu is not arguing that what Wetu quoted is from Jesus and what Vedaxcool quoted is not?

If olaadegbu is saying that, then, only he knows if he and Wetu are being deceptive in their sudden ignorance of all that the NT contains; message of Jesus, words of Jesus to deliver the message, words of the disciples to further explain the message of Jesus as he explained it, words of apostles, including Paul to provide guidance according to their understanding of what the message of Jesus was by he explanation of Jesus with explanation of the disciples.

If Wetu's quote abrogates Vedaxcool's quote just say so.

If Vedaxcool's quote stands, why are you denying it, my Olaadegbu?

There is no 72 virgins in the Quran. Though, it is what you are quoting, while you are denying what is clearly in the Bibles, even though Wetu is playing blind woman about it. Should you be doing the same thing as if neither one of you has ever read the Bibles or carries any honesty in your heart?

100 wives  


The moosies are sure getting desperate, plucking anything out of the bible to prove their point and lashing out at any logic presented to the contrary.

Common, even a toddler will read the quoted passages and come to the same conclusion as the originally intended.

Not one word was mentioned of wives, but maybe , just maybe we need the original version of the bible to get to the root of this matter  

The Resurrection and Marriage -  Luke 20 :27-39
Some of the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Jesus with a question.  “Teacher,” they said, “Moses wrote for us that if a man’s brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and raise up offspring for his brother. Now there were seven brothers. The first one married a woman and died childless.  The second  and then the third married her, and in the same way the seven died, leaving no children. Finally, the woman died too.  Now then, at the resurrection whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?”

Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage,  and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection.  But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”

Some of the teachers of the law responded, “Well said, teacher!”  And no one dared to ask him any more questions.

@Pastor AIO, well said, but on the contrary i am not bending verses to suit my preconceived notions, I only stated what Jesus saiud to which Oladdegu is trying refute, I wonder how disrespectful one c\n be to his own god!  

OLAADEGBU:

This is how we know the difference between true Christians who read the Bible to know and obey the will of God and those who read the bible to suit their own preconceived ideas and intentions.  True Christians will compare Scripture with scripture as wetu has done above but those looking for excuses to commit evil will surely get what they are looking for.  Guys like vedaxcool will be looking into the Scriptures to see what justifies his quest for many wives here on earth and 72 virgins in paradise.  It is like a rope which can be a life saver to get you out of a deep pit and also can be used as a noose to hang yourself.  Your intention determines what you will find in it.

But you accept that Mathew did not use Comma   , as that would be utterly ridiculous, now the Christian in you failed to compare the genealogy in Mathew and Luke and tell us which is true, FYI the genealogy is Jesus alleged ancestry, in which the list of all Jesus ancestors where given and at a point no two names are alike, disproving the bible is like spilling milk over a counter, quite easy, again It would drastically insane to think I would read the bible to justify my "evil" only one who believes that Mathew used commas can think so low, to capped it all you have essentially failed to prove that Jesus was not going to replace one wife with 100 wives the verse is very clear, as for marrying many wives on earth   The qur'an is very clear on that, On the 72 virgings we have long stated the hadith is unsound and not acceptable most muslims do not even know of such provisions. One thing you just prove to me is the Christian attitude to Jesus statement always undermining Jesus statements any time possible, on this nl people like you will claim that Jesus confessed ignorance of the day of Judgement does not mean he did not know the day of judgement rather he knew but was .   .  . again when Jesus say by myself I can do nothing to people like you it means he can do everything, implying he tells  . .  , I can go on and on but i will stop here since you can say mathew used commas then there is nothing else you cannot believe in.  

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@ vedaxcool

It is good you think about the following quotes

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."

"Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue." - Proverbs 17:28

^^^

I beg to ask why Sir !

OLAADEGBU:

Thanks for sharing this. A hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. And this is KJV. We notice that there is nothing like a hundred wives here. Luke also captures this saying in the verse below:

"And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come everlasting life" (Luke 18:29-30).

Check the plurals against the singular, the present time and the world to come.  You will notice that wife is in the singular He did not say wives, and that this will happen in this present time and if it is for the kingdom's sake he will be rewarded with everlasting life.  There is no marriage or giving in marriage in heaven.

If you are to understand anything at all know that one man is only entitled to one wife and not many wives in this present time and that there is no marriage in heaven.

vedaxcool is desperate!

anyone who thinks 100 wives will be given in heaven or 100 mothers and 100 fathers would be given in heaven is just being doltish!
there's nothing like that.

vedaxcool

what's your opinion of luke 20:27-39.

I dont see what the confusion is about. I believe the passage talks about certain "things" being forsaken. Jesus mentions compensation for these "things" if they were forsaken for his sake. These "things" include house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children and the compensation for these "things" shall be "hundredfold" or "manifold". In short, plenty.

I hear some say that wife was mentioned and not "wives. We know that the "things" there are going to be replaced "manifold more" or a "hundredfold more". Obviously then, its clear that the christian who forsakes his "wife" for christ, will receive plenty more (wives) in return.


I'd advice the Christians to stick to hundredfold because at least there is a limit. Manifold can be any sufficiently large number to a really large number. Infact manifold is a worse term for those Christians who want to pretend not to understand this relatively simple passage. The term manifold connotes many, of variety. In this context then, it is many wives of different shapes and sizes.


Oh and the promise is both for this life, and the afterlife.

The scripture was written for Christians, to be used in conjunction with other scriptures. It was not written for the Islam courtrooms to defend Christianity. It was written in a way that it can confuse those who were not ordained to eternal life:


Isa 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.


Christians obviously understand, in the light of other scriptures, that they will not receive many wives in this life or in heaven. But they will have many houses, brothers and sisters and mothers in the Lord. There is no such thing as wife in the Lord. I don't know what you guys want the scriptures to say but there's no hint of polygamy in Christianity. neither in this life nor in heaven:

1Co 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

wetu:

The scripture was written for Christians, to be used in conjunction with other scriptures. It was not written for the Islam courtrooms to defend Christianity. It was written in a way that it can confuse those who were not ordained to eternal life:

Really?

Christians obviously understand, in the light of other scriptures, that they will not receive many wives in this life or in heaven. But they will have many houses, brothers and sisters and mothers in the Lord. There is no such thing as wife in the Lord. I don't know what you guys want the scriptures to say but there's no hint of polygamy in Christianity. neither in this life nor in heaven:

In other words, Christ was right about everything except the wife bit ?

Isa 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.



1Co 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Remarkably, you have a quote from Christ himself, but since it doesnt sit well with your perception, you jump to Paul to explain away the words of Christ. This is very typical. Looking without seeing.
Interestingly those passages do not help your case.

^^ twisting the bible the way you just did, is nothing new, so dont feel like you reinvented the wheel.

its usually a sign of schizophrenia and personality disorder but you can deny that if you want to.

jayriginal:

Really?
In other words, Christ was right about everything except the wife bit ? 

Can I kindly ask Sir , when you read that verse were you standing upside down.

That verse expresses the intending meaning in such a succinct manner that it is almost a sign of rascality to want to change the meaning into something else.

frosbel:

Can I kindly ask Sir , when you read that verse were you standing upside down.

That verse expresses the intending meaning in such a succinct manner that it is almost a sign of rascality to want to change the meaning into something else.

Just because you dont like it doesnt mean I changed the meaning. Are you perhaps hinting that you have been changing the meaning of the Quran in your posts ?

tpia@:

^^ twisting the bible the way you just did, is nothing new, so dont feel like you reinvented the wheel.

its usually a sign of schizophrenia and personality disorder but you can deny that if you want to.

There there. You can still cherish your illusions.

^^ no need to be sensitive.

I'm sure you're already well aware of what i pointed out.

namely that its a sign of a mental malfunction to twist bible verses in the devious manner you just displayed.

its not a big deal as long as you already know your problem.

I find it funny the BREAKING NEWS fashion these threads take.

tpia@:

^^ no need to be sensitive.

I'm sure you're already well aware of what i pointed out.

namely that its a sign of a mental malfunction to twist bible verses in the devious manner you just displayed.

its not a big deal as long as you already know your problem.

Clap for yourself. Jesus must be proud of you.

Here is a scripture atheist can use to support their assertions:

". . . there is no God" (Psalms 14:1)

At least you got something to use as an excuse.

jayriginal:

I dont see what the confusion is about. I believe the passage talks about certain "things" being forsaken. Jesus mentions compensation for these "things" if they were forsaken for his sake. These "things" include house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children and the compensation for these "things" shall be "hundredfold" or "manifold". In short, plenty.

I hear some say that wife was mentioned and not "wives. We know that the "things" there are going to be replaced "manifold more" or a "hundredfold more". Obviously then, its clear that the christian who forsakes his "wife" for christ, will receive plenty more (wives) in return.


I'd advice the Christians to stick to hundredfold because at least there is a limit. Manifold can be any sufficiently large number to a really large number. Infact manifold is a worse term for those Christians who want to pretend not to understand this relatively simple passage. The term manifold connotes many, of variety. In this context then, it is many wives of different shapes and sizes.


Oh and the promise is both for this life, and the afterlife.

lol! thats gonna hurt

OLAADEGBU:

Here is a scripture atheist can use to support their assertions:

". . . there is no God" (Psalms 14:1)

At least you got something to use as an excuse.

Why not ? They learnt the skill from Men of God who use Malachi 3:8 as an excuse to fleece the flock.

[size=18pt]EVIDENCE for a physical Heaven:[/size]

Matthew 5
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Mark 9
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eye[/b]s to be cast into hell fire.

Luke 13
28 [b]There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Matthew 10
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell

Since these Christians have made a habit of claiming to know the bible more than Jesus himself, here again we see Jesus stating the obvious that we shall all exist in heaven in physical form.