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Religion / Re: Born Again Vs Born Of Water And Spirit by okeyxyz(m): 11:01am On Oct 18, 2013 |
JMAN05: @OP You are mistaken. Being born again is not a requirement to be in the kingdom of God, it only enables you to believe("see" -John 3:3) the kingdom, making you a christian. To actually use and enjoy the benefits("enter" -John 3:5) of this kingdom, then you'd have to speak(water) and do(spirit) what you have seen/understood from being born again. Water baptism is just the practice of symbolism because symbolism was important to them back in those days. It was their measure of faith, the evidence of their belief. We interpret spirit as an outside invisible entity with a will of it's own, but actually spirit means understanding, character or behaviour, simple. This whole misconception also carries over from the old days when they couldn't see God but could see his operations in action, thus the spirit(action) of god. |
Religion / Re: Is There A Spiritual Side To Sex? by okeyxyz(m): 10:44am On Oct 18, 2013 |
macof: You fail to discern truth, rather you follow conventions and numbers, you are ruled by majority opinion. This is the way of men, not of Gods. The bible contains doctrines of the law of Moses and doctrines of christianity. They are not the same. If you cannot differentiate between the two, then you and I cannot move forward in this quest of knowledge/wisdom. I'm only gonna leave you behind. |
Religion / Re: Is There A Spiritual Side To Sex? by okeyxyz(m): 10:33am On Oct 18, 2013 |
macof: You are talking of souls, I'm more interested in spirits. God can't be limited to gender. Hence you continue to wallow in shadows like every other religion. They all say "God has no sexuality...", "there's no male and female in God...". Everybody reads the bible/scriptures but it is given to some to actually decode the messages and doctrines contained in this bible. So I can only say that you have believed the same lies/shadows that the rest of the world have also believed. The laws of Moses are modeled after the principles of the Godhead, but the understanding was not given to them. The rights of inheritance, the rights to carry the family name, the rights to priesthood, the rights to speak publicly, etc were given to men only, does it mean that there are no women in israel? Like I said; they have the law but do not have the understanding to go with it, thus it is all shadows they follow. Just like femininity is hidden in the law of Moses, likewise the femininity of God is hidden in the Godhead. |
Religion / Re: Is There A Spiritual Side To Sex? by okeyxyz(m): 10:15am On Oct 18, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA: How can orisas not have sexuality?? How can sexuality not have spiritual significance, yet we(and everything) are all products of se.xual principles and operations?? I assume you won't understand this but I'm gonna say it anyway: If orisas can't see the importance of sexuality, it is because it is a mystery still hidden to them and most(if not all) religions and they are still grappling with shadows, just like the Law of Moses is grappling with shadows. It takes a truly awakened person to see sexuality in all things because it is the creator and god principle. It is simply the coming together of the masculine(creator) and feminine(builder) principles to deliver any doctrine or product/project. As simple as it is(and this is why everybody disregards it, it is too common to be considered important), yet it is the ultimate wisdom from which all wisdoms are derived. Words for the wise |
Religion / Re: Is There A Spiritual Side To Sex? by okeyxyz(m): 9:52am On Oct 18, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE: And which of my post(to which you are responding to) has roman doctrine or "roman nonsense" in them?? Please help us point them out. You speak with too much assumption and too little understanding. How can any of my words possibly be roman? You hear "christian" and automatically assume "roman". You accuse me of being robotic, yet your response and behaviour demonstrates the same robotic behaviour by failing to (or incapable of) analyze and discern messages beyond the "christian" labels that come with them. You even fail to demonstrate the orisa spirit/mindset that is supposed to be in you. A true orisa practitioner would at least divide the message into doctrines and choose which is true and which is false, but you don't seem to be able to beyond the label "christian". smh
So now you want me to consider your yoruba/orisa doctrine when you can't even bear to consider my christian doctrine?? How ironic . It's quite easy to differentiate true spirituals from people who merely claim to be spiritual. A true spiritual considers and judges/discerns all things, irrespective of race, origin, language, gender, etc because he knows truth is universal, not conventional(note the difference). You my friend, are a follower of convention, not of truth, because the only way I can earn your respect is by carrying an orisa banner, else I'm talking rubbish. You are a mere man, you cannot attain Godhood. |
Religion / Re: Is There A Spiritual Side To Sex? by okeyxyz(m): 1:53am On Oct 18, 2013 |
Any god that is not concerned about sexuality surely cannot be a true God. Because He clearly does not understand the significance and extent to which the operation of sex is involved in all of the universe. All knowledge and action is se.xual in principle and operation. These are words for the few that are awakened (and choose wisdom), but foolishness to the rest majority. As long as you don't appreciate the significance and spirituality of sex, then the highest form of advancement you can ever attain is manhood, instead of Godhood. All your wisdom is just conventional wisdom, rather than transcendent wisdom. |
Religion / Re: The Coniah Problem by okeyxyz(m): 8:16pm On Oct 17, 2013 |
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Religion / Re: The Coniah Problem by okeyxyz(m): 8:11pm On Oct 17, 2013 |
@OP is making a grave mistake in his interpretations, which can be considered a disgrace and sacrilege according to the Law and traditions of those days. It is indeed a pervasion of the Law to trace genealogy through the woman. @olaadegbu commits a grave error in judgment in trying to use modern day mindset to prove/disprove the spiritual principles of the law/customs. Women do not bear or carry a name from one generation to another, inheritances are never passed through the woman. @loaadegbu would have caused serious shock and offense if he had suggested this interpretation to people of those days. How would Jesus, who was the personification of the law, coming to fulfill the law, starts first by braking one of the most sacred principles in the same law by dismantling the right of the son to carry-on the family name? It is a perversion and cannot be true. Jesus was not the seed of David through Mary, He was through Joseph. The law supersedes blood and a child bears the name and lineage of the household under which he/she was born, and according to the records, it was in the household of Joseph. Joseph did not take on Mary's name , rather Mary took on Joseph's name. Nobody then ask's a woman "who are you?", rather they'd ask "who's wife are you?" or "who's daughter are you?". @Joshthefirst makes a strong point with his example that a man who fails to produce a son before he dies, then the man's brother is mandate to produce a son in the name of the deceased brother, through the brother's widow. You don't do this practice in the case of a female child. This illustrates the the very high importance placed on sonship. @Olaa seems not to take jewish tradition into context here, thus making an very wrong discernment. |
Religion / Re: Born Again Vs Born Of Water And Spirit by okeyxyz(m): 6:32pm On Oct 17, 2013 |
italo: To be born again (born of water and spirit) is to be baptized. Naahh!!! This is the misconception. |
Religion / Re: Born Again Vs Born Of Water And Spirit by okeyxyz(m): 6:28pm On Oct 17, 2013 |
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Religion / Re: Born Again Vs Born Of Water And Spirit by okeyxyz(m): 6:28pm On Oct 17, 2013 |
Victor.R: Accepting the doctrine of christianity makes you a born again, rather than the actual practice of christian doctrine. After accepting this doctrine, it becomes part of your conscience and the means by which your judge right and wrong. Now choosing to do wrong does not take away your born-againism , because your conscience still keeps you in awareness of your wrong deeds as judged by this new doctrine. After being born again and you need to profit from new awareness, you have to speak(water) and do(spirit) the things you are convinced of by this doctrine, hence you are born of water and spirit. |
Religion / Re: How I Became An Atheist! by okeyxyz(m): 5:10pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
Alfa Seltzer: ^^^So you saying that people that have never heard the concept of god cannot be called atheists? ^^^ Exactly. Babies are even miles below this category. |
Religion / Re: How I Became An Atheist! by okeyxyz(m): 4:44pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
plaetton: @okeyxyz, Nobody is requiring you to prove a negative(whatever that means). To prove or disprove a concept, you must understand what this concept claims or proposes to be, then you weigh this assumptions/claims against some valid logic system. So what logic system can you attribute to a baby by which it can believe or disbelieve a God? Atheists don't believe in God but they understand what we mean when we say God, and this is why we are debating, a proposal we both understand but one considers possible and the other considers impossible. You cannot debate what you are not familiar with in conversation or in experience or whatever. The reason your young daughter does not believe you can turn to a lion is as a result of some logic system she has bulit up over time and uses to judge a truthful claim from a false claim. What logic system does a baby have? At least your daughter knows who you are, know you are human, knows what a lion is and knows that both species bears no relationship that can lead to one producing or turning into the other. A baby on the other hand does not even know it is human, does not know what a lion is, let alone the relationship between a lion and man. Ultimately "atheist baby" is the silliest concept I'd ever heard in my life. So this logic system by which we judge truth from falsehood is our philosophy. |
Religion / Re: Is There A Spiritual Side To Sex? by okeyxyz(m): 4:24pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE: Not denying, but differentiating what is true representation of God from what is not. Perhaps some explanation would make sense to you: God created everything perfect in the beginning until man chose the law of corruption(The tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil ) over the law of good. This was how the conscience of sin came about and man began to perceive evil in everything that God himself had declared to be good. Thus all forms of fear, insecurities, negative emotions, complexes, diseases and ultimately death. This Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil is actually the Law of Moses in the beginning, when Adam(man) adopted it to rule his conscience and it became human nature. The presentation of this law to Moses was just a formalization of what was already human nature. It appears to be from God but it is actually God permitting man's choice to run it's full course. The coming and death of Jesus(who was actually the personification of the Law) on the cross fulfilled the death of this wicked Law, and hence it's abolishment. So God did not inspire this law, rather this law is a corruption of God's true law/image, A knowledge of good and evil or in other words: a corruption of good with evil. So the new testament is an abolishment and separation from this law. |
Religion / Re: How I Became An Atheist! by okeyxyz(m): 2:23pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
plaetton: Firstly, every logic, institution, system, discipline, anything that makes sense is built precept upon precept, line upon line, principle upon principle... If the OP's most basic concept of atheism(ie: I was born an atheist..) is totally flawed, then I'd be a f00l to want to hear more of what he has to say. It's simple, a baby cannot be an atheist. Can this atheist baby defend his position? can he put forward an argument? Does he even know what God is?? When somebody asks me: "Do you believe in gbishgbashgbosh?", I'd be like "huh?? what the f@@k is gbishgbashgbosh??", So also it is absolute gibberish(in fact worse than gibberish) to a baby the concept of "Good.", let alone God. Besides eating, sh1tting, crying and sleeping, what else does a baby possibly know?? A baby atheist?? Like I said before, I'd rather discus rocket science and quantum physics with a re.tard than make sense of a baby atheist. chai!! Wonders shall never end So when your parents indoctrinated you with christianity or whatever, At least it made some moral, spiritual/religious sense. For you to have dropped these belief systems took an intelligent effort to come to that position of rejecting the things you now consider to be invalid. So your position now is an opinion your can argue for, defend and demonstrate to your own satisfaction, these attributes a baby cannot have. A baby simply has no moral/philosophical/logical identity. There's no such thing as partial atheist. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in deities and this definition covers pretty much all deities. For you to believe in any deity at all, then that makes you a theist, the opposite of atheist. And lastly, shooo?? It seems I'd have to cross your name out from the list of confirmed atheists. How can you believe/disbelieve anything if you don't have any idea of what is being proposed(ie: God) in this first place? How can a baby disbelieve if he doesn't even know who he is(I mean the baby), what he is, where he is, let alone God himself. These are all philosophical ventures. There cannot be a belief/disbelief without questioning and some form of answers. Bros, you are losing it... |
Religion / Re: Is There A Spiritual Side To Sex? by okeyxyz(m): 1:39pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Again, you show lack of grasp of context. I'm talking about an era long lost to history and you on the other hand are trying to justify/condemn the same lost historical contexts by the moralities of today. And no one has claimed that a 10 year old is ready for sex/marriage(Frankly, I don't know). The text simply says "A man caught raping a 10 year old...", It didn't say "A man legally having se.x with a 10 year old..." 2) It is and always will be an immoral and wicked thing to reward a rapi.st with the marriage of his victim. Have you thought about all the wicked men who would rape women so that they can have her forever because of the Mosaic law? I agree, But this phenomenon is no where to be found in my christian doctrine. You are simply barking up the wrong tree here.
I told you before and I tell you again: I know not the God you talk about. I could tell you many truths and wisdoms about my God but they'd be foolishness to you. It'd be like casting pearls before swine |
Religion / Re: How I Became An Atheist! by okeyxyz(m): 1:23pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
2good: You, I can safely assume are also a "baby atheist". You seem to have the same level of understanding as the OP. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: How I Became An Atheist! by okeyxyz(m): 1:19pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
Alfa Seltzer: Chaii!! See logic @logicboy, @plateon, @weigraf, etc must be deeply embarrassed to have you identify as an atheist like themselves too. LWKMD |
Religion / Re: How I Became An Atheist! by okeyxyz(m): 1:17pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
Logicboy03: From you, I'll cherish any compliment and take it to the bank. Aint easy agreeing with an enemy. At least you make an effort to live up to your name. |
Religion / Re: How I Became An Atheist! by okeyxyz(m): 12:40pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
MAYOWAAK: At first I thought this might be an interesting read, but unsurprisingly(like most atheists who do nothing but worship dawkins, rather than do some actual thinking) you disappoint me by asserting the bolded, so I just stopped reading at this paragraph and would read no further. If you demonstrate a lack of understanding of the very basic fundamentals of any philosphy, how could you possibly get the other, more advanced parts right?? Impossible. To correct you, No one is born an atheist. It's not possible. Atheism is a philosophy which people decide to follow after doing some serious questioning of life problems and assumptions. It follows a process of serious critical thinking and challenges in logic, spirituality, morality and general nature of reality. Tell me, which of these things did you do as a baby? As a baby you didn't even know the difference between poo and food, difference between clean and dirty, difference between up and down, nor right and wrong. Babies rank below retards because retards have better intelligence than these. Are you telling us that all it takes to be an atheist is an i.di0t?? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Is There A Spiritual Side To Sex? by okeyxyz(m): 12:19pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
Logicboy03: No.1, that is not a christian doctrine. It is the Law of Moses. No.2, Who are you to judge the moralities of many thousand years ago? What do you know about this societies you assume to judge over? What do you know about the biological, mental and social awareness and readiness of 10 year olds back then as compared to 10 year olds of today? Your positions on this matter are totally out of context in all ramifications of context. You seem not to understand why women marry later in life today because you equate the societies of today to that of thousands of years ago. You think it's all about age rather than social-economic preparedness and requirements. Bros, do some proper critique, then perhaps we can engage. |
Religion / Re: Is There A Spiritual Side To Sex? by okeyxyz(m): 12:01pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
Logicboy03: I know not what God you are talking about. You must be confusing one being for another. |
Religion / Re: Is There A Spiritual Side To Sex? by okeyxyz(m): 11:58am On Oct 16, 2013 |
RationalDude: Not necessarily. Does this spiritual aspect involve lower animals too? Well, are animals spiritual entities too? Besides, the christian scriptures tell us that all of nature is faulty, hence the prevalence of se.xual deviation/pervasion(@logicboy, note proper usage ) Why is he so concerned? The question is: Is he God? Did he create a particular sexuality? If both answers are yes, then shouldn't he be concerned that his creation is broken? The trinity is an all male union, no heterosexuality. Well, Father and Son are male, no biggie, But who knows the nature of the holy spirit? In God, there is male and female, the female aspect of God is hidden to them who don't know God. This is principal to the mystery of God. I don't understand this part of your post, can you clarify on what you mean by this? Marriage is not for everybody. There are people who for the sake of the kingdom will choose not to marry(and I'm not talking about catholic priests, they are just misled). Not choosing to marry does not mean staying away from sex. Sex must not be enslaved to marriage. Marriage is a permissible christian option, not the mandate. The ultimate is to live an unmarried life and still have right to sex. No, people do not become bonded forever when they have se.x. But as long as you choose marriage, then you are bound (both legally and spiritually) to obey the laws of marriage, and you bear the rewards and punishments of such bounds. |
Religion / Re: Is There A Spiritual Side To Sex? by okeyxyz(m): 11:33am On Oct 16, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Again you keep misusing the word "pervert". A pervert cannot be the one who points out the right/wrong manner of sex, rather a pervert is the one who has no sense of right and wrong conduct in sex and everything goes. This is precisely what you are defending. Besides, you are not a christian, so why is christian acceptable sexuality a problem for you? 2 Likes |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Reflection Of Stoning The Devil in Muslim's character! by okeyxyz(m): 11:24am On Oct 16, 2013 |
Seun: I do not approve of this rude reply.. A moderator should not edit a member's post without a good reason, and the moderator must provide the reason when the member asks. It's funny that you say this, after you actually edited my post three times without informing me. At first I thought it was some error on my part or my browser or the server not submitting my posts properly. It was only after you banned me that I realized you have been editing my posts, yet you turn round to admonish another person for editing post. I agree, it's wrong and irresponsible to edit other people's posts. It's better to hide their posts than edit them, because editing borders on invasion of privacy and personal space, an abuse of power and deliberate misrepresentation another person's opinions. |
Religion / Re: Is There A Spiritual Side To Sex? by okeyxyz(m): 11:15am On Oct 16, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Can you make some sense first? How does insisting on natural(hetero..) sexuality make one a pervert? Perhaps you are incapable of understanding that pervert means to turn away from what is right/natural/proper. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Is There A Spiritual Side To Sex? by okeyxyz(m): 10:54am On Oct 16, 2013 |
There has to be a spiritual aspect to sex, else the christian god wouldn't be so concerned about the right and wrong sexuality. It thus follows that God's sexuality is heterosexual. As regards marriage, it is not the ultimate destination or license to have sex, marriage is only permissible for people who cannot control their passion to posses their sexual partners exclusively for themselves. Thus it is better to marry than burn with passion/jealousy/bitterness/etc. But if you have control over your emotions regarding sexual relationships, then it is better to stay unmarried and still have s.ex. Staying away from marriage does not mean staying away from sex. |
Religion / Born Again Vs Born Of Water And Spirit by okeyxyz(m): 6:37pm On Oct 14, 2013 |
People usually go about thinking that being a Born-Again christian fulfills all the requirements of salvation, but this is a huge misunderstanding and actually being born again is just the starting point, does not guarantee the benefits of christianity. So let's take it from the original scriptures from which this terminology was taken. Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”(John 3:3) So what does it mean to be born again? Being born-again does not mean turning from sin, it does not mean walking in righteousness. Unbelievable!!, right?? Being born again simply means: Understanding the gospel you hear, that is all. You need to have an understanding of the message that is preached, then you have an idea/vision of what the kingdom of God is about or where the journey to the kingdom of God starts. Being born again is the believing part of Christianity, the part where you acquire the conscience of right and wrong according to the Christ and not according to the law. In other words, Acquiring the new Mindset and reinterpreting the meaning of sin and righteousness. This is the part where you know that you have been liberated from sin(The Law) and need no more to fear the things that you used to fear because they were defined as sin by the Law and hence banned you from doing them. This is the point where your guilty conscience according to the Law is taken away. Thus this is what makes you a christian. Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God(John 3:5) Now this is the Faith part of christianity, the operations and vitality of christian living. It is no longer about understanding right and wrong according to christ but the doing of that which you now understand as a christian(Born again). Being born of Water is symbolic for speaking the words of this new understanding that you have, and being born of the spirit is symbolic for acting according to this new understanding. In other words: to speak and to do... Being born of the spirit is not about receiving the gifts of the spirit; ie: speaking in tongues, prophesy, miracles, etc. Spirit here means behaviour/action, not that some spiritual entity descends upon you and influencing/controlling what you see/hear/do/etc. Born of the spirit is your own personal and deliberate effort to act according to the new understanding and words you have received. This action/behavioural part is what Paul refers to when he declares: For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek(Romans 1:16). Ie: It is no longer about what you know but rather about what you practice that leads to manifestations of the extra-ordinary/supernatural/salvation. He also encourages the church to move to this level of christian living when he encourages them to: work out their salvation with fear and trembling...(Philippians 2:12 ). This is the aspect that bears fruits in terms of building good(note: not as the world defines good) character and developing supernatural gifts. So while the first requirement(born again) allows you to see(understand) the kingdom of God, the later requirement(born of water and the spirit) actually enables you to enter(profit from, bear fruits) into the kingdom of God. Oya, make una clap for me nah. |
Religion / Re: What You Sow Is What You Reap. by okeyxyz(m): 4:48pm On Oct 14, 2013 |
How do you go from writing properly: Finegrl: If u sow prayer, you reap power. If u sow faith, you reap miracle. If u sow gospel, u reap souls. If u sow obedience, u reap success. If u sow money, u reap wealth. Dont b deceived. To writing like a child: Finegrl: Is this what atheist mean when they say christianity makes people dumber and dumber Wonderful!!! |
Religion / Re: Abomination,cal It Taboos.can God Still Wipeoff The Curses Associated With This? by okeyxyz(m): 4:19am On Oct 14, 2013 |
ayobase: The story is fake!! |
Religion / Re: Path Of The Seeker by okeyxyz(m): 7:30pm On Oct 12, 2013 |
jayriginal: Using humor to cover your failed argument?? I ask you again: Can you offer a valid critique or opposition to any true christian doctrines or claims?? I'm guessing no, so you sneak away with a humor jab |
Religion / Re: Who Says The Law Is Not Good? by okeyxyz(m): 3:08pm On Oct 12, 2013 |
Joagbaje: The law is deceptive in that it mixes the good with the bad, thus pretending to be the angel of light. If your are a follower of the law, then you can take "Honour your father and mother..." literally. But as a spiritually minded person, i don't take them literally because they are my parents according to the flesh, not according to the spirit. They are the human traditional lineage that the world recognizes, though permissible, they are actually not the reference that God was was using for his doctrines/commandments. |
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