chukied:


After this post, I think we're done here!

I challenge you to go read that post to the Nepalese survivors of the last earthquake...
Or the victims of the peaceful religious violence in the Middle east...
Or the displaced Palestinians who were forcefully ejected from their ancestral lands where they've been living for centuries...before the peaceful and loving sons of Judah came to enforce the mandates of their sky daddy...
I challenge you to read that to the many suffering from ailments of mind and body in many hospitals across the world...maybe it will offer them some succor...
I challenge you to read that to the victims of rape, ethnic cleansing, genocide and other inhumanities...
Get off your high horse of ignorance!

In my opinion we Africans need to wean our minds off those Abrahamic fairy tales and start THINKING for ourselves.
A universal God cannot possibly be exclusive to a band of wandering Jews and their cousins. The concept of deity is universal across all the peoples of the world.
Each tribe and ethnic group have their own conception of deity which held true for them until the invaders and colonizers brought their alternatives.
Christianity and Islam will forever remain borrowed truths to Africans. Until I read about the direct dealings of their sky daddies with African chiefs and peoples...read in their ancient manuscripts about the interaction between Kwames, Tunjis, Emekas and Adamus...with their sky daddies and other fluffy winged companions...they are not our heritage.

Science and empirical knowledge on the other hand are truly people-agnostic. Electricity, aviation, chemistry...whether they were invented by Serbians, Russians, Ethiopians or Koreans...do not come with the baggage of belief systems.

God is our collective consciousness of nature and her myriad laws. The better we understand nature and her laws...the more balanced and pain free our lives will be.
That there are natural forces and supernatural forces is evident to any student of science. But that knowledge is not based on "mere" belief...its a reasoned faith. Some arrive at it by trial and error...some arrive at it by empirical studies and reproducible experiments. The phenomenon of sickle cell, viral diseases, earthquakes, eclipses...ceased to be mysteries that only shamans/clergy could explain when man chose to INVESTIGATE nature and her secrets.
We no longer have to consult the oracles to explain sickly children suffering from sickle cell conditions, most forms of epilepsy and nervous disorders...
We are no longer frightened as before by natural disasters like tornadoes, tsunamis, earthquakes...cos we possess a clearer knowledge of what those phenomena are...
There is no need for human sacrifices and the likes to ward off ebola in Africa, droughts in California...or pay some lying prophets of doom to talk to his own brand of sky daddy to ward of the terrors of his own creation.
To pray to a sky daddy to ward off evil is to call him capricious. Who created the evil in the first place?

Methinks man has a spiritual side that can only be satisfied by beauty, balance, harmony, order, truth,peace and love.
Not sky daddies who need to be begged, cajoled, bribed with tithes and offerings, bloods of first sons and daughters to dispense favours and blessings.
My 2 cents.

ROSSIKE:
I would suggest reducing the number of countries in Africa to no more than 3. Southern Africa, Central Africa, and North Africa. Finish. Those 3 can form a confederation down the line. The main benefit of this would be greater centralisation of decision making power, so vital in a resource-rich region like Africa wishing to prevent foreign exploitation and dictate commodity prices. Today we are price takers rather than price givers on the international market because no country is large enough to dictate commodity prices, and can easily be undercut by rival nations if it seeks to demand more for its exports. With greater political unification we can dictate commodity prices, and get a LOT more than we're getting, ending the need for foreign aid etc, and developing our economies in no time. Expect a lot of resistance from the west if we go down this route. We need measures put in place to checkmate their attempts at sabotaging the developments.

Problematic in both short and long terms.
A people already divided across ethnic and religious lines cannot possibly see eye to in high level political theatres.
Tribal sensibilities will always overrule justice,equity and common sense.
A better opinion would be to wean the minds of africans off imported stuff like the Abrahamic fairy tales from both sides and Western style government configurations that make no sense for Africans. Democracy, marxism, socialism...all the alphabet gang of govt isms need to be adapted for african needs and circumstances. Same goes for all economic and financial theories being used to run african economies.

As it is...Africans generally appear to lack advanced intellectual capacity. They seem to abhor the usage of their thinking faculties. This effectively guarantees the West will always formulate policies that dictate the current and future direction of african countries. If they push gay marriage...y'all have to fall in line or else...
If they come up with austerity, global warming, monsanto gmo seeds, virtual currency, women bishops and all that...africans have to lap it up.

Mental liberation is first. They're neither gods nor demi gods. African stands to play a dominant role in the global economy if her leaders can think. The west is already mired in debts that only another world war can write off.
Africa is relatively debt free and can fund her development with swap agreements and trade by barter deals with BRICS to a large extent.

Can africa produce leaders up to the task?

rexbuton:
Ika people don't care about their origins anymore.. They care about their present and future. They want their own state so they can develop their areas.. So no attache by force to either binis or igbos

You are funny.
"Attache by force" How?
Are the SE Igbos adopting your "Bini" customs and language?
Are they contesting ownership of any lands with you?
Are they applying to receive any benefits accrued to the Ikas and Ukwuanis
You are the ones attaching by force.
Igbo names, Igbo dialect, Okpala Ukus, Diokpas, Iwa Gi/Ji, Ezes, Obis,Ikengas...long list of Igboness.
Who send una message?
All I see is business minded Igbo folks hustling it out anywhere they find themselves. I dont think they give a dam.n that much
about Ikas and their wonderful Bini origins.
The confusion starts when you mention your name or start speaking your Bini language.
What they hear is just another dialect of Igbo...and being the emotional busy bodies that they are they probably want to reach out.
If I were rebuffed by my cousins bearing the same surname...I'd find that funny too.
Don't you think so?

Kagawa10:

It seems you don't still get it.
Just like the Ikas and Ukwuanis, the Itshekiri has their ancestry with the binis!
Just like the Ikas and Ukwuanis, the Itshekiri do not speak core bini language!
Just like the Ikas and Ukwuani, the Itshekiri mixes their bini language with another language!
Just like the Ikas and Ukwuani, majority of the Itshekiri don't bear bini names!
But Today, the Itshekiri has their own identity. They are neither bini nor Yorubas.
The Yorubas could have laid claim to them based on the reason you wrote, e.g, names, language e.t.c. But the Yoruba respect the Itshekiri choice and the ibos should do likewise!
Is that too difficult to understand?
Ika itself is Eka, shortened from Ekadohlor which is a bini word! Ibos should leave the Ikas and Ukwuani alone, they are neither bini nor Ibo!

You are actually mixing up two different things.
Or maybe you're confused as to the meaning of the word "ancestry".

Kagawa10:

Just like the Ikas and Ukwuanis, the Itshekiri has their ancestry with the binis!
Just like the Ikas and Ukwuanis, the Itshekiri....

The above does not apply in the case of Ukwuanis and Ikas...in my opinion.
The Itshekiri have a unique Ijebu dialect intelligible to some extent to Ijebu and Oyo speakers.
The Itshekiris merely adopted a Bini prince Ginuwa as their monarch.
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/opinion/150473-the-itsekiris-rich-history-and-their-bond-with-the-yoruba-by-eric-teniola.html
He was neither the progenitor nor founder of the Itshekiri clan/kingdom.
I leave it to you to look up that part of their history.
Ancestry in this case means that the Itshekiris migrated from Bini or was founded by Bini people which is clearly not the case.
No vassal or direct offshoot of the ancient Bini empire calls their king "Olu" or speaks an Ilaje dialect.

It is well known that Bini hegemony spread far and wide to the extent that their princes were adopted/installed as monarchs
by other groups who held them in awe. A case in point is the Eleko of Eko stool currently occupied by the now famous Oba Akiolu.
The family line came directly from Esikpa or (Yorubanized to Asipa) a Bini prince adopted by the Awori indigenes.
All occupants of that stool...the Kosokos, Akitoyes,Dosumus etc...all were under Bini suzerainty and paid tribute to Bini.
The indigenes were Awori who came from Ife. The spoken language was Yoruba, the tradition and customs was Yoruba till date.
Only the stool and the installation of the occupant was was controlled from Bini.

The Ikas and Ukwuanis on the other hand can lay no claim to such an "ancestry". That will be a historical fallacy.
Your spoken language from time immemorial has always been Igbo, your Obis, Ezes, Ikengas, Okpala Ukus, ote ofes,Diokpas and
all the paraphernalia of your traditions clearly indicate an Igbo group. That's not difficult to verify.
Which Bini prince did you lots adopt? Which Bini language were you speaking before the Igbos supplanted your ancient Bini tongue?
Which Bini man or prince "migrated" from Bini to found Ika and Ukwuani...only to abandon your "superior" culture and tradition for "inferior"
Igbo traditions? Atleast thats how you present it.

To the best of my knowledge the SE Igbos are only reminding you what is on ground and what has been.
You are the ones claiming and disclaiming origins.
When did Igbos advertise for anyone to start speaking Igbo?
Or maybe your great-great-great-grand fathers used to travel to Igbo land to learn the language?
Or maybe you dont want to tell us the shameful hidden history of how the Igbos chased away your Bini forbears and
forced you to start speaking Igbo? huh?
It gets ridiculous.
That some settlers came from Bini, Igalla and environs cannot be disputed.
That Bini traditions and customs were "adopted" by the Ikas and Ukwuanis can also not be disputed.
But dont present the fallacy of "zero Igbo" presence in Ukwuani or Ika land.
Your Igboness is visible from a thousand miles. The majority of the hawkers in the Lagos traffic I'm reliably informed are Okrika and Anioma
boys...you need to listen to them talk to identify the Igbo dialect.
I have asked even my friends from Agbor why they bear Igbo names and all that.
None of them could give me any meaningful response pertaining to their reported non-Igboness.
Why create the confusion then?
Why not stick to your Bini ancestry?
Who introduced anything Igbo into your midst...since you detest them so much?
Why not start now and end the confusion? Leave anything Igbo alone and do your thing, that way no one will confuse you for Igbos.
As for that Ekadolor line...come up with something better.

Kagawa10:

What is this one sayin?
Take the itshekiri for example, they speak adulterated yoruba but have their ancestry with the binis! So get it into your skull that ethnicity isn't determined by language but by ancestry!
Even then, the Ikas and Ukwuanis wants their own identity, just like the Itshekiris had theirs! Today, the Itshekiris are neither Binis eventhough they have ancenstry with them nor Yorubas eventhough they speak yorubid language!
The Ikas and Ukwuanis have ancenstry with the binis but speak igboid language. However, they want to have their identity/tribes and you ibos should respect it, just like the yorubas respect the Itshekiris!
Why can't you ibos get it for once? Does someone have to spoonfeed you?

Dude I'm a student of African history and I don't have to be Igbo to research history.
I've asked my Igbo friends to give me instances of where Igbos are forcing their identities on any of their neighbours...none instance was cited.
I've looked up Anioma forums and groups and asked a few questions as to Igbo "claims" and all that...none could be substantiated. The only meaningful response I got was the complain about Igbos buying properties which some natives found threatening...can't fault that.
I don't know of anyone who will standby and watch another person denounce them publicly. Initially I thought the Igbos were claiming some of the oil revenues from the Niger delta or claiming some parts of Anioma land...but that was not the case.
I've also not read in any publication of the Igbos directly or indirectly forcing their identity on any Anioma/Ika group.
The much I've heard is the loud and stiff denials by Ikas when they tell other ethnic groups they're not Igbos.
If I were Igbo, I'd take offense. No one send you message.
That a people speaking Igbo, bearing Igbo names and practicing Igbo traditions are shameless enough to declare that "ethnicity is determined by ancestry not language" shows there is something funny afoot.
The Italians and Dutch in New York retain their native names while being acculturated into the broader English/British setting.
The ancestral history of the Itshekiris is clear for all to see.
There are no mixtures with Bini that confuse the core Yoruba origin and language.
The Olukumis still speak their Yoruba language that is still intelligible to westerners.
The Ebus still hold on to their Igalla roots and so on.
Nothing to deny or defend.
Why are you offended when Igbos point out to you that you speak Igbo and bear Igbo names?
When did Igbos colonize and conquer you lots?
Why do you feel inferior to the extent of emphasizing more of Bini influences than your 95% Igbo origins?
But these are people who have known you Ikas for centuries...even before the Europeans came calling. Have you forgotten that?
And yes you're free to identify with Martians if that floats your boat...but don't go falsifying shared history. That's where I personally take offense.
The bulk of you folks have Igbo origins...you can intelligently prove otherwise...or concoct some other funny Bini migration story and face the taunts.

Macelliot:

We know that....
Ika is a distinct ethnic group so as Ukwuani.
My point is that, there are also Igbo group in Anioma apart from Ika and Ukwuani....
I mean Anioma comprises of Igbo, Ukwuani and Ika....

Sorry but I beg to disagree.
In this century ethnic groups and tribes are already cast in stone. Recent and contemporary history can always be consulted to ascertain the roots and origins of any group of people...to a large extent.
The Ikas and Aniomas ARE IGBOID groups.
Its not that there are Igbos ALONGSIDE Ikas and Ukwuanis in Anioma.
Whether they want to identify as Igbos is another matter entirely and their business at the end of the day.
But historical fallacies will not and should not be allowed to stand. Its just like the North Americas denying their British heritage...claiming they actually came from Japan.
...While speaking English and having British/English traditions.
A whole shipload of shared history will have to be rewritten to accomodate that idea.
Its not about who they declare themselves to be...or who they identify as.
All studies, researches by independent scholars have established that fact...from Aboh, Ukwuani, Asaba, Aniocha, Isseles, Owa, Agbor...they're all IGBOID groups. You'll have to rewrite centuries of shared history and spoken languages to tag them as anything else.
It will also be historical fraud to fail to recognize the predominant Igbo element across the length and breadth of Ika/Anioma/Ukwuani/Enuani land.
Its not about their claims to Bini or Igalla origin as their are clearly Bini/Igalla settlers among them who have since acculturated.
The distinct groups in their midst they call the "Ebus"...the Yoruba Olukumis and the Igallas...till today still speak their language and practice their customs with minimal Igbo influence.
Let them bring forth evidence in their language and customs to justify their rewrite of known history.
Till date Bini historians have failed to recognize the mythological origins attributed to them by an Igbo speaking people flung as far as Oguta and Onitsha.
The few I've asked find it amusing and only are aware of the borrowed kingship traditions.
Its pathetic really.
Contemporary and shared history will not be falsified to satisfy the inferior complex issues of some low self esteem folks.

Onegai:
Tears of pride at my Ika boys. Ewwwww!! Where were una when I wan marry, before one urhobo man snatched me, ehhh

But jokes apart, I don't get the modern Igbo stance. More than half of the people you are claiming (so far, on this thread they have mentioned my family and extended family) DO NOT wish to be associated and aligned with you. Why o why do you persist in such aggression?

That's like me leaving my hubby's house to be dragging over my neighbour who continually tells me he doesn't want me. Why? We respect the Igbo and wish them well, but DO NOT WANT TO BE ALIGNED WITH THEM OR CLAIM THEIR HERITAGE, how can that be a thorn in their flesh?

Even my FIL (an elderly man and a very old legal practioner) stated clearly that Ika aren't Igbo (and he handled cases in the area, h should know), so why all this wahala? My elderly mum said it was Ika when they came to Lagos that wanted to curry favour with Igbos, that started naming their kids with Igbo names, she swears she never grew up with any Amakas, Ifeanyis or Uches until after the Civil war (and she should know, she nearly ended up being an Ika Queen and her father was prominent). Ika names and last names are still found in Edo state, but I am yet to see one in the East.

@rexburton please one small point: you said owa/Agbor people claim descent from the East. That's not true as my grandmother passed away at 104 and I asked her this question and she was very clear the Agbor/Owa are NOT from the East. I choose to believe a woman who lived from that era than someone probably even younger than me.

But noooo. That is not enough for you. Please let us be, we have our own identity. Be assured, everyone respects you but enough of this claiming.

And where's that poster that put up proper Ika names, remind me to send you one very pretty Ika geh as reward. ; D

Also, which of you is from a prominent Ika family, let us betrothe our children now (because their papa is using style to try and marry them off to his Urhobo chiefs and I'm just giving him side-eye).

I'm guessing you wrote the above for uninformed and less travelled readers.
For starters...on the issue of "We respect the Igbo and wish them well, but DO NOT WANT TO BE ALIGNED WITH THEM OR CLAIM THEIR HERITAGE"....
Ika heritage is ALREADY Igbo heritage through and through.
Your language and traditions bear that out.
Your governor from Owa is Dr. Ifeanyi Okowa...not Dr. Efosa Obaze.
Atleast I understand Igbo enough to know Okeke,Okafor,Okoli...all have the Oko prefix meaning "man of" or "man from". Okowa means "man from Owa" and that is a 100% Igbo name.
Ofcourse you're free to give me the alternative meaning.
A cursory survey of the names you bear across the length and breadth of Ika will reveal to anyone that they're Igbo names.
Except if you mean to tell me Okowa's father travelled to Lagos and in order to currry favour with the Igbos decided to swap their Bini names for Igbo names.
Same goes for all the Ikas who bear dual Bini/Igbo names like Nduka Obaigbena etc.

I think you lots should quit with all this identity crisis wahala...I don't remember at any time the Igbos collectively or individually ever begging anyone to bear their names or speak their language. The Igbos have no history of inter-ethnic warfare, colonization or tribal hegemony like the Binis, Yorubas, Nupes or Fulanis. You well know the majority of the Igbo clans abhor monarchies.
Even the monarchies in Ika apparently are borrowed from Bini with your "iyases" and "adas" etc.
They're not native to you. Cos what you have is still mixed with core Igbo customs and that has not changed.
You simply were influenced by Bini and borrowed a few lines from their heritage.
Ofcourse settlers must have come from Bini no doubt...but they are clearly in the "minute" minority.

Having said that, lemme bust a few of ur misrepresentations.
Recent history shows that Ojukwu never included Anioma in his secession bid...cos the Midwest was not under the control of the then Eastern Region. There was no "claiming of lands" or "attache by force" for oil purposes.
The focus of the then Eastern Region was on Ph which was the city Michael Okpara's administration focused all development activities on as a counterpart to Lagos.
Asaba, Ika, Agbor,Sapele,Warri never factored in to the plans or politics of the SE Igbos then.
When the Biafran forces invaded the Midwest...the commanding officers and administrators were all Midwest/Anioma sons.
Mind you the bulk of the instigators of the whole Biafran palava were Anioma sons and fought on the Biafran side.
They were neither forced nor coerced...neither did they tell the counter coup plotters the difference between them the "Ikas" from "Bini" and the SE Igbos whom they have nothing in common with.
The SE Igbos never came out to tell the world that it was the Ikas/Aniomas who murdered in cold blood the political leaders of other groups in an ill-advised coup.
If you know your history well, the Igbos had nothing to gain from that ill-advised venture. The bulk of the commissioned officers in the army were Igbos,Ironsi was the GOC, the Easter region was progressing,the Igbos had closed the education gap with the Yorubas...I could go on.
There was not anything the Igbos stood to gain...no "oil to claim", no "lands to attach to"...as then ALL the oil was in the Eastern Region.
The SE Igbos could have done it the way you're doing now and told the vengeful Northern and Western officers that all the Nzeogwus, Anukus, Okonwezes...all bearing Igbo names and speaking Igbo dialects were actually Bini people masquerading as Igbo people. That infact it was because of their trading with Igbos that they adopted Igbo names and traditions...that the Igbo dialect they speak was because the Igbos forced them to abandon their Edo tongue and all that...
Yet they and you all Ikas/Aniomas recognized your common heritage and slugged out the Biafran war together.

I asked these same questions in a related thread...
How come you Ikas and Aniomas speak Igbo?
Do you know the similarity between the Igbo spoken in Agbor and Owerri?
How come the SE Igbos "mistake" you for Igbos?
Why are you lots not bearing pure Bini names and practising pure Bini traditions?
Who did your mythological Bini forbears meet on ground when they "came" from Bini?
Lest I forget...if you are one of those who believe that a man name Eze Chime came from Bini and is a Bini man or that his name is now actually Ikhime...then I guess your inferiority complex needs divine intervention.

You lots should be proud of who you are.
On the flip side I've asked Igbos I know what the hullabaloo is all about and I was made to understand you lots are still suffering from post-civil war inferiority complex. Maybe they have a point...

agbotaen:
i bet wiki peadia is where most igbo baby historians cull their history , while we ika people know who we are ,and we are ika ethnic group, if you igbos like keep writing rubbish on most web page ,but when the chips are down ika people will deny you , it happen in 1967 ,when we rejected going along with igbos ,and in 1930 our elders stopped the igbo day celebration from taking place in ika land. and you can even see how our monarchs distance themselves from ohaneze ndigbo or igbo ethnic meetings .the fact remains that no complete ika person of ika ethnic nationality will say he is igbo. we know our history and no amount of majority forceful propaganda will make us igbo, moreover we know igbos are masters of lies and propaganda just like they did during the civil war,as we have seen how they try to reverse ika history , names , and language and turn it to igbo,
the culture , language and traditions of ika people are distinct from that of igbos.
your people are without kings ,and if not for the europeans who created warrant chiefs in igboland that later became kings ,
i am proud of my traditions and i am ika , we have never claimed to be bini, but we acknowledge that most of our founding fathers by their names and tradition came from benin, we also acknowledge that some later founders and settlers in ika were igbos and they left a mark in the culture .but who are we today we are ikas,i have mixed with igbos a lot and this has made me realise the uniqueness and difference of being an ika person as our world view is different from theirs ,and i have also moved with benin people and learnt many things too .

Fallacious claims to say the least!
"...but we acknowledge that most of our founding fathers by their names and tradition came from benin, we also acknowledge that some later founders and settlers in ika were igbos and they left a mark in the culture"

Sorry but the above does not follow.
Most of your founding fathers came from Benin with their traditions and names...while Igbos later settled in Ika with your Benin founders
But the evidence on the ground points to the contrary my friend.
An uninformed reader might imagine that Benin is thousands of miles away from Ika land...hence the word "migrate" or "came from".
Benin is just a stone throw from Ika and literally borders Ika towns.
Benin cultures and traditions are too dominant to give way to migratory settlers...that's one.
Any casual study of your so-called bini kingship structures will bring to fore the fact these were borrowed cultures and not really native to the people...that's two.
Language is the primary identification of any ethnic group...if a language dies out...its primarly because the speakers either died out or were colonized by dominant groups over time. Ikas have been flourishing for a long time in their ancestral lands...infact Agbor prides herself on her wars with the benin empire. So clearly no external dominant culture was foisted on Ika. Even Issele-uku that was a vassal of benin retained her base language and traditions...so much so you can differentiate between the borrowed words and the base Igbo language.
So your origins cannot be benin...except you bring for conclusive proof, cos till next tomorrow Ika as a whole still speaks an Igbo dialect....that's three.
If you lots were confused by the autonomous and independent nature of the various Igbo clans across the Niger...and thus claim your uniqueness by pointing out that you practice kingship which the republican igbos abhor...it can still be proved to that your kingship is in the main borrowed from benin...with your "adas from benin", your "iyases" and the likes not being native to you.

Finally still on the language angle...be honest.
Why do you folks speak an Igbo dialect?
Why do you bear Igbo names and practise Igbo traditions?
Don't post borrowed Benin words cos there are clans in Igbo land like the ohafias and abribas who bear Efik/ibibio names and have acculturated both ways.
Also, I'm sure you know most igbo dialects are not completely mutually understandable to most speakers.
So your uniqueness is not in that aspect.
Ask yourself why Igbos from the east with no prior knowledge of Ikas and their "benin origins"...seem to "confuse" you for Igbos.
Be honest.

Ikwerreboy:
Language:


According to him, the Ikwerre people speak
Ikwerre Language. Before the advent of colonialism,
they were already relating with the Igbos which led
to the language similarities between the igbos and
the ikwerres, including name similarities. At the
advent of colonialism, they were exposed to English language and special English called pidgin.

IkwerreBoy

I guess you lots are one confused bunch walahi!
Chibudom Nwuche
Austin Opara
Elechi Amadi
Amaechi
Adi
Ikwerres bear these names because they were "relating" with Igbos which lead to the "similarities"?
What similarities?
Languages have roots, sources and origins.
On the other hand languages also have borrowed words while still retaining the base structure.
Independent researchers and linguists have ascertained and proved that your "bini" language..which you call "Ikwerre language" is just another Igbo dialect.
There is no trait in any form or appearance of bini or other culture in your tiny enclave.
Informed elders even told me when I made enquiries that some clans in Imo have a culture of importing the Amadioha deity from Ikwerre!
Your elders and leaders know this.
If infact you are actually Ikwerre and can speak the language...you probably know this.
And no amount of invented origins or creative mythologies will change that.
The funny thing is you lots are not even ashamed at the ridiculousness of your claims!
Benin and her nobles have never till date recognized any affinity in any capacity with Ikwerre. Even the name of your so called bini migrant ancestor "akalaka" is not in any form edo...nor does it have any meaning in edo.
I'm sure your leaders who came up with that whole Bini origin nonsense know they're only fooling themselves?
But with a straightface deluded men like Okachikwu Dibia, and Elechi Amadi spew the untruths in public!
Its a shame actually.
Do you folks ever listen to yourselves talk?
So in your mind...the language you lots speak is different from the brand of Igbo spoken in Nkwerre, Owerri and environs?
So oil wealth will last forever?
Also the stigmatization from losing the civil war will last forever?
You lots are just pathetic and deluded.
Keep speaking Igbo, bearing Igbo names and practicing Igbo culture and traditions....while deluding yourselves as to your origins.
I'm sure the Igbos treat you lots as unserious comedians.
Nonsense.

Zoharariel:
Summary:

The most intellectually retarded people in Nigeria are the majority of the Hausa Muslims.

Majority of the Hausa Muslims are not as intellectual & tolerant as the majority of the non-Hausa Muslims.

The intellectual minority [Non-Hausa Muslims] can be compared to a dozen of wise people besieged by legions of criminals, idiots, prostitutes, and parasites; and these legions [Hausa Muslims] have messed up the Country and turned the Nigerian dream into the Nigerian nightmare.

Observation: A provocative piece written by a Nigerian Jew, targeted at the Hausa Muslims [especially Mohammadu Buhari] for the simple motive of causing chaos & disharmony between the East & the North.

When you've attended one too many burials of friends, relatives and colleagues brought back from the North....who lost their lives to the loving and peaceful nature of the Northern fundamentalists....maybe you'll understand.
When you are called to visit the surviving families of victims of ethnic violence and religious terrorism,bombing for Allah and 72 virgins...for whom there might never be any justice...maybe you'll understand.
When you witness first hand the crass and senseless looting and impoverishment of a vast population by a few born to rule...maybe you'll understand.

Till then...keep calm and let the affected voice their concerns.

oduastates:
Intellectually retarded.
This writer is Intellectually stupidz and dumb.
Even the arguments lacks logic.
He claims cities are dirty because people are retarded.
Dumb conclusion.
Answer : problems beyond capacity of the governing class due to many reasons. E.g overpopulation, lack of resources/institutions , breakdown in societal values, corruption,

Niqqa you just proved the writer's assertions...and in style!
Just like the blacks in the states living in denial of the reality of their environment...some react by calling you coons and uncle toms.
Don't attack the messenger...attack the message!
The op was spot on and except you're being dishonest, he hit the nail on the head.
Ofcourse your inability to take personal responsibility could be blamed on a couple of factors...but that would be diagnosing effects rather causes. Don't ya think so?
Be honest...our mentality, environment, lifestyle needs a cleanup.

@mikolo
Don't get your point actually.
No offense but you sound like the typical intellectually lazy African...who is destined to forever look to the West for solutions.
I sound Hitlerish? How? Lol...
Guess you missed the point of my post or didn't comprehend at all....maybe.
I guess you're one of those comfortable with the current destination to nowhere of the Nigerian state.

It appears most Nigerians have been thoroughly desensitized to the absurd and ridiculous govt and leaders they have...that the abnormality has become normal to them.
Where looting wonders that would make Ponzi blush are carried out in broad daylight and NOTHING HAPPENS!

Sorry dude, such laid back dismissive comments still point in the direction of no where...no improvement...no progress...no development. Just siddon dey look...and maybe hope for a miracle from heaven.
If you can address my post...

barcanista:
Lol... In other words States should be appendages of the FG? What a funny proposal..

Maybe you're intellectually lazy...maybe not.
Maybe you didn't go thru my post...
Or maybe you didn't hv anything to say...
How do you describe the current "feeding bottle" dependence between the FG and the states?
How many states are making any efforts to grow IGR?
You've heard the governors clamouring for more allowance to borrow?
You're aware some states can't pay salaries and its not looking like they can going forward?
Maybe you didn't get the memo...the states are already more than appendages of the FG. Its a blackmail driven parasitic setup.
You can live in denial tho...
Address the post if you can...

After spending the better part of today queuing at a petrol station to buy a few liters of gasoline. It dawned on me that unless something drastic is done, Nigeria is set to drift again into another decade of merry-go-rounds and just going no where in particular.

I want to propose an alternative blueprint that the incoming government can adopt to move this nation forward.
My propositions are based on the following conclusions:

1. Lack of political awareness on the part of the general public. Try as much as we can to brush it aside, the reality remains that "democratic", "parliamentary" and all the associated Western-styled government configurations are foreign to us. A cursory look at the history of African nations who have gained independence from the colonial masters over the past 40-70 years will bear this out. The majority our so-called graduates and "educated elites" do not have a clear understanding of how the government is supposed to run or function, the duties and limitations of public officials, the ramifications and implications of the Federal constitution.
Based on this ignorance, they are easily cowered into fear and submission with threats of unjustified police arrests and harassment.
A people who know that elected officials' power directly derives from the public mandate cannot be intimidated by any show of force.
They will be in an enlightened position to demand accountability and performance from elected officials.
Sadly this is not the case in the Nigerian experience. Ignorance rules supreme and we shamefully cover it up by "blowing big grammar" and hiding behind ethnic bigotry.

2. The state governors have conclusively proven so far that they are incapable of resisting the urge to senseless loot public funds
and commission phantom projects on paper. No matter if each state is allocated a billion dollars cash every month, we can tell with a high degree of confidence that the governors and their accomplices will pocket the larger portion of the largess. My point is- the state governors for now cannot be entrusted to execute infrastructure and development projects with funds from the center. I stand to be corrected.

3. The current constitution limits the intrusion of the Executive into the affairs of the individual states for good reasons. However, the law was made for man and not the other way. If the law gets in the way of man's wellbeing and onward progress, the law can be changed for man. I posit that until we are able to get our elected officials to carry out their duties with a minimum level of responsibility, we should employ all other means necessary to keep them in line. There is really no point quoting the constitution when we all know we cant enforce its dictates. There is also no point having laws that serve no purpose but to impede the very progress it was meant to enable.


PROPOSITION 1
Find legal and constitutional means to limit allocating bulk monies to state governments every month to a minimum. That has been a recipe for self-inflicted economic tomfoolery.
Instead, put the allocation of the funds within a context. For example, the basic needs of the public can be adequately classified under "Power", "Health", "Education", "Agriculture/Food","Jobs/Employment" etc...
The Executive can embark on say a 10-20 year national re-organization plan of the entire nation...which is what we need.
That means every month, each state government would receive a justifiable and carefully weighted allocation from the following funds:
(1) Infrastructure Fund
(2) Health Fund
(3) Agriculture Fund
(4) Jobs/Employment Fund
......and so on

This means that each state governor would have to START PLANNING for capital,recurrent and development expenditures every year AND also submit execution plans with forecasts, variances and actuals to the Ministry of Finance. This submission will justify allocation of funds.
The EFCC and ICPC can be co-opted to keep creative accounting practices to a minimum.
While avoiding direct supervision from the Executive, the state governors will ONLY have to show evidence of completed and ongoing projects to JUSTIFY the allocation of funds.
To the best of my knowledge this arrangement meets the required constitutional separation of powers between the Executive and the state governments.
For one, all state governments will now have to compete for the most conducive investment, residential and industrial environment.
Since all state governors get to keep their tax proceeds and returns on investment, they are FORCED TO COMPETE for FDI and local investors.
This scheme also ensures continuity in governance, where outgoing and incoming governments are in sync.

SUMMARY : Reconfigure allocations to state govts into "Development Funds"...each governor and his cabinet will have to submit project plans every month or months in advance to the federal ministry of finance. This way we know exactly what the shared monies are for and can hold our respective governors accountable. Evidence of completed and ongoing projects will justify allocations. This way, recurrent expenditures can be cleanly separated from development and infrastructure expenditures, forcing the states to keep to a budget.

PROPOSITION 2
A local saying goes thus in pidgin "wetin person no know pass am". We can argue all we want, but our educational system has failed.
Our current crop of "educated working class" do not have what it takes to run a modern economy.We really have to learn from people who know how to do it.
We can either take 2 approaches to this-
(1) Reverse the brain drain and bring back home our seasoned professionals to run critical parts of the economy. The draw back to this is embedded tribalism and bigotry, which will soon bog this initiative down. We do not have the political background to effectively run this kind of meritocracy for now. Maybe over time we'll get there.
(2) Privatize critical parts of the economy...bring in FOREIGN PARTNERS who will go into BOT agreements at exclusively FG or state government levels and hand over the building, operating and maintaining of the the infrastructure to them. Significant tax incentives will help attract willing investors so the FG wont have to drain needed reserves wholly financing the scheme. The foreign partners will be mandated to employ our graduates, train them and transfer the knowledge over a period of say 10-20 years. Ofcourse this "might help" in cutting down the non-productive "federal character" nonsense to a minimum.
For the nay sayers, this has been the scheme NNPC through a subsidiary NAPIMS has been running your oil economy. The FG partners with the IOCS- Shell, Chevron, Agip etc. on Joint Venture Agreements to develop onshore and offshore oil wells. The FG might own say 30% in a production well, while the remaining will be split between the IOCs in the venture. It is up to the IOCs to hire professionals who qualify either from within the country or outside to carry out their operations. No "oga at the top" level nonsense.
This has been the norm and has worked well so far cos our "engineers and experts" have demonstrated cluelessness at all levels. You are free to argue this.
SUMMARY : To clean up the rotten federal civil service and get it working, the FG should partner with knowledgeable foreign partners who will enter into BOT agreements with the FG to build and operate critical parts of the economy. Over time, working with and training our graduates, the required knowledge on how to run a modern economy will be transferred.

WHAT WILL BE PREVENTED
A sitting government wasting $10 billion on dollars on generating electricity on paper.
http://www.thenationonlineng.net/archive2/tblnews_Detail.php?id=42789

Squandering of $27 billion in 36 months on nothing in particular
http://africanheraldexpress.com/blog6/2011/02/25/wall-street-journal-how-nigeria-squandered-27b-in-36-months

Inability for a country the size of Nigeria to provide 24 hours electricity on a daily income of $224 million
http://integritynigeria.org/joel-brinkley-nigerias-squandered-opportunity/

Crooked officials conniving with Shell and state govt to squander 2 billion gas project funds
http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/05/19/gas-project-efcc-narrates-how-suspect-squandered-n2bn/

EFCC arraigning ex-governor for 10 billion naira fraud
http://efccnigeria.org/efcc/index.php/news/372-efcc-arraigns-ex-governor-abubakar-audu-for-n10-billion-fraud

Ex-governor not able to account for 600 billion
http://theeagleonline.com.ng/pressure-mounts-on-efcc-for-borno-governor-to-account-for-n600b/

FG unable to account for over 100 billion recovered foreign loots till date
http://www.punchng.com/news/switzerland-to-return-n75-2bn-abacha-loot-to-nigeria/

Over $67 billion mismanaged and squanderd
http://standardtimespress.org/?p=3362

You are free to add yours.
Ethnic and jobless jingoists kindly do me a favour and take a walk. Tnx


There is a time for everything under the sun, its time for Nigeria to grow up and get serious as a nation.

BluIvy:


Guy, we not talking a black uprising here we are talking of black militia groups. A few of them would do. Terror groups are usually not big groups but small group with strong enough convictions.


Everything else you've said there is nothing!

Seems you're getting all emotional.
Who will buy the arms for the militia groups? And from where? What organizational structure does the black communities have to sustain such militia groups?
Are you even aware of the indepth surveillance capabilities of the CIA and homeland security in the states?
Funding such a group implies atleast one thing...foreign sponsor(s) domiciled outside the states and free from secret service and CIA surveillance. Not to mention ability to smuggle in arms undetected and distribute such arms undetected.
Sorry but ya black folks are yet to demonstrate the level of sophisticated thinking needed to run a successful militia group in a police state such as the usa.
Besides what will be their demands or goals?
I can assure you it will take the black folks a while to even figure out what it is that they want...that WILL SERVE their interests. That's the starting point...
I'm assuming you're informed enuf to to read meaning into the above.

Oduacitizen:
If you are not a bonafide Odua Nation citizens, stay away from this thread. If you refuse to leave now that you are here mistakenly, mysterious death might be your portion this year.

I am calling the attention of all Odua citizens to what happened between Oba Akiolu and Igbos in the last couple of days. I think It's time for us to pass the message across to the Igbos that enough is enough. I am not expecting any one of you to be part of Yoruba Defence League that is being pulled together by young and strong Yoruba guys. However, if you are interested in becoming a member of our League, don't hesitate to let us know here via PM. And your local government certificate ll need to be scanned and forwarded to us.

The purpose of this thread is to ask you guys (Yorubas) who are not part of Yoruba Defence League to prepare yourself for anything in course of putting Igbos to where they rightly belong. Please, forward this below message to your senators, house of representative members, state house of assemblies and our Obas so as to stop our people from selling anything to Igbos in Yorubaland; let our kings pronounce this act as an abomination in our country.

I have done my bit outside Yoruba Defence League by writing and sending messages across to the right yoruba leaders.

With the recent uproar caused by the assertion of the Oba of Lagos over his domain in Lagos, Yorubaland and the response of the ungrateful guests in our lands, I think it is now very germane that the legislatures in all State of Assemblies in the South West Region begin to make laws that will protect the land and heritage of its people. For so long, the Yorubas have been too good for themselves and except we take a hard stance now and draw the line NOW, things will only get more heated as the ungrateful guests from eastern Nigeria have now resorted to insults to perhaps their most hospitable hosts in Nigeria.

This thread is not to rehash what has been discussed or known but to start a conversation that must reach to the highest levels of governments in our regions to enact legislation and laws that prohibit and ultimately forestall the proliferation of locusts in our lands. I will propose some ideas, feel free to add yours and forward to our leaders! If you have links and connections to those that need to see this, please do so ASAP:

1. Land MUST NEVER BE SOLD directly to a NON-Yoruba again! The first step is to stop immediately the signing of C of O's for applicants who cannot prove that they are Yoruba and trace there roots down to their father's compound anywhere in the South West.

2. In the event it becomes mandatory that a business interest requires land to setup a business and applies to the government, land of definite sizes must be allocated and LEASED for terms varying from 5, 10 or maximum of 25 years ONLY!

3. Every land that has been sold in the past without C of O's or expired C of Os anywhere in the geographic South West must be immediately revoked.

4. Henceforth, strict terms of tenancy must be enacted and enforced for all non-Yorubas such that tenants cannot resort to cheating their landlords with late payments, non-payments or unnecessary distractions by way of court cases.

5. Immediate agenda that establishes the communication in Yoruba 100% in every legislative function of the State House of Assemblies in the SW.

Lol!!!
Yoruba Defence League?? What of OPC?
I'm sure no Yoruba in Nigeria lives outside the SW huh?
Does Tinubu approve of this your wonderful plans?
I mean its just a few weeks to the hand over...you know the realization of a dream that even Awo never achieved...a majority govt alliance of the Hauas/Fulani and the SW.
Guess what? The hand over is still to take place.
You wanna give the GEJ govt cause to truncate it all?
Moreover you'll be playing directly into the hands of any of your fellow miscreants from all regions with secessionist ideas. That's an open invitation to blow up the federation.
Or you think the Land Use Act that empowers a Yoruba to own an oil license in the SS, ND and SE is still not in effect?
You can't eat your cake and have it...I repeat.
Lagos is a cosmopolitan city and the sooner you quit this your pre-colonial nostalgia and face the reality the better for you.
All Nigerians are here to stay...if you can brave the heat go to the East and setup shop as the Igbos and other ethnic groups have done. Then maybe you can appreciate the story of Lagos being a former capital and in the taunting words of the Igbos- a "no man's land"?
Do I mean that Lagos is not Yoruba land...ofcourse not...but u get d drift.
Infact go on with this your "defence league" tomfoolery and let's see how it plays out!
So the Igbos are the haters for chosing to vote a Yoruba fielded by Yoruba people in a Yoruba state?
I stayed awake to post this for the records...just to add my 2 cents.
Again Eleko goofed!! Nobody feeds, clothes, houses anybody in Lagos. The same way other people from other groups came to Lagos for greener pastures is the same way the Igbos have come...and that includes Yorubas from other states.
This is a constitutional federal republic...not a monarchy!
And your Oba has no "domain" or anything of that sort to assert. He's a figure head and can still be dealt the Dasuki treatment if push comes to shove.
You can't be seriously playing the victim when the lives and properties, and constitutional rights of a people are threatened by your so-called Oba!
If it happened in Onitsha...I bet you the myriad lawyers from the SW will rise up to put the Obi in his place!
A couple of strong arguments could me listed from the video of the Oba and used to damage not only APC but the person of your Oba in court.
The Igbos just seem to be annoyingly politically daft!
Quit spreading hate and go get a job!

Sloan:


You could have done without the insults, at least prove that you are up to it mentally!

I don't have time to educate you on very basic things as I assume you should be an adult to address this topic. That being said, my post stated very clearly State House of Assemblies, not the Senate or National Assembly in Abuja. The State House of Assembly has oversight to legislate or make laws within its own state, not for another state or the national assembly in Abuja.

What is being proposed here is to those lawmakers of states whose constituents (citizens) are asking for laws to protect their heritage and culture, which is what a civilized and forward-looking people would make a first option. After such laws are made and signed into law, any offenders will be punished to the maximum extent prescribed by law.

Failure to make laws to address issues that affect the people will only lead to violence, killings and pogroms which can be avoided. This is what is carried out in the north first before dialogue, but rather than make violence an option, the SW should make these laws now!!

You're really young.
Ever heard about the Land Use Act?
Or OMLs and OPLs?
You can't eat your cake and have it. That level of sovereignty does not exist any more dude...your Oba needs to be read the constitution over again.
Take a tour of all the oil installations in the ND,SS and SE both onshore and offshore...when you're back...revisit your plan.
That's what I meant by Nigeria and Lagos included is a collective estate. Cos I tell ya Oba Akinrutan, Adenuga, Wale Tinubu and co...will not countenance any threat to their oil production licenses!
Cos you just can't legistate against only Igbos in your laws to be passed by your so-called "state legislature"? Or can you?
Learn to reason properly not get emotional over affairs of no significance.
Besides the mere fact that you consider selling land to non-indigenes an impediment to the preservation of your "value and culture" shows the level of ur thinking.
In an age where countries enact immigration laws offering citizenship, tax breaks and easy acquisition of land titles to FOREIGNERS in order to attract investment...here you are towing the typical myopic african line.
If your state law makers fall for that and pass that law...then the Igbos have won...conclusively and totally. It will be tit for tat and the ripple effect will do no one any good.
Who do you think raised the premium on land in Ikoyi, VI, Lekki and environs...your fellow indigenes?
Or u consider swampy and water logged Lagos Island to have any value in itself?
Ur strategic move should be to contain any society and economic disruption while maintaining political control.
And political control means other people finding your landed assets, goods, services and environment attractive.
The land will remain after you're gone.
You don't grow rich by selling only to ya family members.
The Igbo presence in Lagos is an asset...as ur politicians understand clearly. Its fortunate they're not a politically minded people.
Think I've said enough.

Its a script.
The black community is already hopelessly compromised and infiltrated by the anglo/caucasian rulers...fact.
They own, control and regulate hip-hop, rap and all so-called black music.
All ya so called stars were manufactured and promoted by them.
The top black men in the US of any reckoning are all Prince Hall freemasons.
The point I'm tryna make is that any potential black uprising cannot fund itself and revolt against the govt at the same time. Divide and control tricks...with carrot and stick strategies will bust them up real quick. Besides they do not have the discipline and organizational capacity to take on the white establishment. The political game has been totally rigged against the blacks. That's the way it is.
This attack was a carefully scripted and promoted event.
Same as the Ferguson and other scenarios.
More black people die weekly from black violence in Chicago and LA than the media cares to report. So wtf?
If gullible blacks fall for this psy-ops, it will end sadly...cos they'll only fall deeper into the hands of the jewish controlled white judicial system.
The end game is the disarmament of america and the neutralization of any group capable of organized or spontaneous resistance to the planned police state. Its already happening...the Black Panthers will be used as patsies to justify the new laws.

What the blacks need to do is create the right amount of political and legal awareness among themselves...get their communities organized and a few steps out the manipulative hands of the Fed...focus more on education than sensational hip-hop craapp and the needless distractions of hollywood and 'keeping it real'.
Get their youths of drugs and reduce fatherless home/single mama phenomenon.
They'll be a force to reckon with then.

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Loooool!
I find it ridiculous the lil consolation parties you guys are having over histories that will never concern you.
A lil poser for u guys...
1) Name ur ethnic group and give me the names for "pyramid", "dynasty"

2)Prove to me that prior to the Europeans coming to enslave y'all, ur forefathers had a proven oral record of Egypt, Hebrews and the middle east in general.

3) If the Europeans had not arrived ur shores with their bibles and evangelism...how would you guys have been able to differentiate the names "Tokugawa","Amenhotep","Abraham" and "Marduk"?

4) Compare the level of social,political and cultural development of the Israelites/Hebrews as at the time the Romans took over as colonial rulers of Judea...and match it up against the state the colonial masters met your ancestors.

5) If say one of your ancestors back then had been taken on a tour by ship to the Giza pyramid @ Egypt and say pyramids @ Teotihuacan...would he have been able to say which continent each pyramid was in? That is if they had any idea what a continent was....

6) If a hebrew scroll of the Torah was shown to ya forbears when they met with the europeans...could they have been able to tell it apart from say an egyptian or ethiopian scroll?

I'm assuming you'll desist from ad hominem attacks and give me sensible answers.

I believe you guys need to stop feeling inferior and accept the facts of historical reality. Other cultures and civilizations did their own thing...that's the way its done...do your own thing and history will tell the story!
Stop consoling yourselves with non existent links and conjectures.

Sloan:
With the recent uproar caused by the assertion of the Oba of Lagos over his domain in Lagos, Yorubaland and the response of the ungrateful guests in our lands, I think it is now very germane that the legislatures in all State of Assemblies in the South West Region begin to make laws that will protect the land and heritage of its people. For so long, the Yorubas have been too good for themselves and except we take a hard stance now and draw the line NOW, things will only get more heated as the ungrateful guests from eastern Nigeria have now resorted to insults to perhaps their most hospitable hosts in Nigeria.

This thread is not to rehash what has been discussed or known but to start a conversation that must reach to the highest levels of governments in our regions to enact legislation and laws that prohibit and ultimately forestall the proliferation of locusts in our lands. I will propose some ideas, feel free to add yours and forward to our leaders! If you have links and connections to those that need to see this, please do so ASAP:

1. Land MUST NEVER BE SOLD directly to a NON-Yoruba again! The first step is to stop immediately the signing of C of O's for applicants who cannot prove that they are Yoruba and trace there roots down to their father's compound anywhere in the South West.

2. In the event it becomes mandatory that a business interest requires land to setup a business and applies to the government, land of definite sizes must be allocated and LEASED for terms varying from 5, 10 or maximum of 25 years ONLY!

3. Every land that has been sold in the past without C of O's or expired C of Os anywhere in the geographic South West must be immediately revoked.

4. Henceforth, strict terms of tenancy must be enacted and enforced for all non-Yorubas such that tenants cannot resort to cheating their landlords with late payments, non-payments or unnecessary distractions by way of court cases.

5. Immediate agenda that establishes the communication in Yoruba 100% in every legislative function of the State House of Assemblies in the SW.

6. More coming...add yours!

You must either be very young or just a hot head!
There's this thing called 'Federal Republic of Nigeria'...still to hear of a 'Federal Republic of Yoruba or Oodua'.
If you had been intelligent enuf, you coulda called for a referendum to quit the union that so irks you and causes you so much pain.
Wonder what Adekunle, Awolowo and co will be reminiscing over now...you know...the whole civil war thingy, Ibos been edged out of the national scene, the indigenization decree that gave the SW the clear edge in business and industry,the FCT being in Lagos all those years with the attendant development. Did you ponder on all these?
Its a collective estate dude...and if you want to toe that line it will backfire in geometrical proportions.
Eleko goofed! Accept it and move on.
Atleast the Ibos with all their whinings have accepted the war defeat and moved on. So much so that without fear or prejudice they have ensconced themselves in the lands of the people most responsible for the defeat.
Stop inciting hate...doesn't pay.

Mamatee07:
This is beginning to look like a set up clearly there is more to the story. Those Igbo leaders don't sound like anyone was threatening them, obvious they have a good relationship and may have had an understanding.


Seun, front page

Think I agree with you, the Oba is a victim!
Who knows if one of the so-called Eze's is a Nollywood script writer...and wrote the script and stylishly coerced
the Oba into reading it after their video man shouted "action"?
And I'm even beginning to believe they dressed the Oba up to look like one of their Igwes in Nollywood movies...you know...for the video shoot thingy.
Right?

aderonila18:
We must find out the full gist of what happened, clearly the video and audio released yesterday were edited to make the issue look a certain way

If u must be a phoool...atleast be an honest one.
It will make u look good...try it.

Funny how some people have double standards and don't even know it.
I thought the Igbos have no respect for elders and constituted authority?
Guess who would have been the first to react if the Igbo leaders had started by throwing it back at the Oba to his face and in his palace?
You're all applauding them for respectfully accepting BS calmly and even laughing over it!
In less than typical Igbo version, they showed sophistication by not reacting and taking the awesome insult in good faith.
Now some of ya are even tagging the Oba a victim of the Igbo's trap for releasing clips and tapes!
Haba hypocrisy!
Would u have preferred one of them engaging the Oba in a tackle or slaps? Or replying him in like words there and then?
You guys should get a grip!
As for the Igbos...it is not bravery to be a strong man in another man's house while becoming a stranger in your homeland. If there was ever a time to look eastward and start strategizing its now! Except ofcourse you enjoy being the butt of jokes and insults from all and sundry.

And for the record...for those accusing Igbos of hating
I seriously don't get it
Jimi Agbaje is a Yoruba man...not related to Igbo even remotely by birth, marriage...a blood relative of the Oba according to him
His candidacy was endorsed and promoted by Lagos PDP...where the Igbos have little or no active representation
Now the Igbos are receiving all the flack for choosing one of two candidates presented by Yorubas in Yoruba dominated parties!
So much to the extent of the Oba making all those unguarded statements!
If it were in saner climes...more decisive political actions would have been taken to seat and unseat some political appointments...
which as it turns out...the Eleko is just one of many political appointments!
Why hate on the Igbos for voting a Yoruba man? Did the Igbos field him?
Is there a law that bans Jimi Agbaje for canvassing for votes from Igbos or non-Yorubas in Lagos?
Are the Igbos expected to turn a blind eye to Jimi's campaign and then embrace Ambode wholeheartedly?
Why the reverse-psychology play on Igbos...accusing them of hate?
What has Jimi done to Yorubas to deserve this level of hatred(yes..no one is talking about it)?
Do you guys hate Jimi that much?
Do the Igbos have a choice in this election? Are they Nigerian citizens?
What's all this talk about "hosting", "accomodation" and the likes?
Have the Igbos ever picked up arms against Yorubas anywhere in the SW?
Where did all this accusations of "no man's land" originate from?
The Igbos that are scrambling for a piece of lagos swamps and forests at high premium prices are they getting it for free?
Do the Yorubas contribute to build houses for Igbos on the same lands they sold to them?
Do the Yorubas want a referendum to quit the federation so they can get rid of the pesky Igbos once and for all?
You know...its getting ridiculous!
And the Igbos are not even helping their cause...no political calculations...no agenda...no alliances
Just plain setting themselves up to be victimized at every turn...haba!
I could go on...

Kinfunfun22:


Oya change all the Yoruba there to Niger Delta and see how you have answered and shot yourself. I can't fit laugh mehn...flat skulls are ridiculously lacking in grey matter

Arguing from both sides at the same time...
Sigh...
Should have know i've been engaging a kid.

Kinfunfun22:


What's my fucking biz with Niger Delta money. Yorubas are in the central govt and will raise alternate sources of revenue. Yorubas got brain and foresight.

So in other words, you and your Oba are just trying be mischievious?
You dont need Niger Delta money...how old are you?

Kinfunfun22:


;DThe money made from Lagos port alone yearly is 5 times more than the so called allocation to all the 6 south western states. Check the stats

And I'm sure that money is generated solely from Yorubas and Yoruba-owned businesses, using Yoruba built infrastructure, secured and protected by Yoruba army, navy, airforce and police force. Attracted by Yoruba negotiated international trade agreements with foreign countries by Yoruba ambassadors employed by the Yoruba Lagos state government owned and ruled by its sovereign head Oba Akiolu.
Right?

Kinfunfun22:
Igbo cry threads everywhere. Cry me a river

Look before you leap bro.
That sword could actually swing both ways.
For instance the militants in the ND could actually make sure your incoming APC is starved of needed petro dollars....
cos you know its "their" oil and you , Tinubu, Buhari and co are all "strangers" and can cry them a river too

raumdeuter:
The Oba has spoken.

If you don't like it leave his city

You appear to be living ignorance of the FACT that you live in a country of diverse ethnic groups.
Lagos is not the "property" of Akiolu while Nigeria remains a country.
Non-Yorubas cant leave "his" city because they dont like what he has spoken.
Mr Rilwan Akiolu is a fellow citizen of the Federal Republic just like all Igbos.
He has one vote just like any other eligible voter who voted in APC.
What if Jonathan had been captured threatening all the SW governors and Obas after this spending spree
campaign in the SW warning them of the consequences of not voting him in and asking them to leave his country if they dont
like his govt huh?