Empiree:
he's a clown. He's addicted to Islam and Muslims but still hate us. He doesn't have any topic to treat if it has no ISLAMIC headlines.

Islam made him popular on social media.

Alhajiemeritus:
This advocatejare guy just came to derail an Islamic thread about Ramadan.
Can an admin please hide his comments and stop him from disturbing our threads?

Alhajiemeritus:
This advocatejare guy just came to derail an Islamic thread about Ramadan.
Can an admin please hide his comments and stop him from disturbing our threads?

budaatum:


He should simply have been resisted instead of fueling his derailing!

Empiree:
one thing is to antagonize me, it is another thing entirely to say what I didn't say. You no dey fear God ni? Kindly go back up and re-read my posts.

advocatejare:

While you're preparing just remember that Ramadan is a pagan practice.

advocatejare:

Proclaimed by who?

God didn't proclaim any fast. It was common practice those days to seek the face of the Lord with fasting and prayers. Esther did it when the lives of Jews were threatened, they fasted and God intervened but that didn't make it a yearly practice.


Jehoiakim did the same when Jews' lives were threatened, God didn't ask them to turn it into yearly practice, don't look for a way to justify your paganism.

"Ramadan literally means ‘intense heat’, denoting the scorching summer month to which it was originally ascribed. It formed part of the pre-Islamic Arab calendar well before Islam came to Mecca, the holy city in today’s Saudi Arabia, in the seventh century."

"Ramadan, the ninth month of the Islamic calendar and the rigid observance of thirty days of fasting during the daylight hours, has pagan roots developed in India and the Middle East.

The observance of fasting to honor the moon, and ending the fast when the moon’s crescent appears, was practiced with the rituals of the Eastern worshippers of the moon. Both Ibn al-Nadim and the Shahrastani tell us about al-Jandrikinieh, an Indian sect which began to fast when the moon disappeared and ended the fast with a great feast when the crescent reappeared.

The Sabians, who were pagans in the Middle East, were identified with two groups, the Mandaeans and the Harranians." (the paper goes on to detail the Mandaeans)

"The other group, considered as Sabians, were the Harranians. They worshipped Sin, the moon, as their main deity, but they also worshipped planets and other deities. The Sabians were in contact with Ahnaf, an Arabian group which Mohammed joined before claiming to be a prophet."

"In Mecca, the Ahnaf were called Sabians because of the doctrines they embraced. Later, when Mohammed claimed to be a prophet, he was called a Sabian by the inhabitants of Mecca because they saw him performing many Sabian rites which included praying five times a day; performing several movements in prayer that were identical with the Mandaeans and the Harranians; and making ablution, or ceremonial washing, before each prayer. In the Qur'an, Mohammed called the Sabians “people of the book” like the Jews and Christians.

Ramadan was a pagan ceremony practiced by the Sabians, whether they were Harranians or Sabians. From the writings of Abu Zanad, an Arabic writer from Iraq who lived around 747 A.D., we conclude that at least one Mandaean community located in northern Iraq observed Ramadan

Ramadan was Originally an Annual Ritual Performed at the City of Harran.

Although the fasting of Ramadan was practiced in pre-Islamic times by the pagans of Jahiliyah, it was introduced to Arabia by the Harranians. Harran was a city on the border between Syria and Iraq, very close to Asia Minor which, today, is Turkey. Their main deity was the moon, and in the worship of the moon, they conducted a major fast which lasted thirty days"...


"It was during Ramadan that the very first revelation of the Quran occurred. This took place in 610 AD, when Muhammad retreated to a cave on Mount Hira on the outskirts of Mecca for secluded contemplation.


In summary, the pagans were already fasting during the lunar month of Ramadan even before Muhammad was born, he only retained the tradition like he did other pagan traditions into islam.

advocatejare:


Who proclaimed yearly fasting in the month of Ramadan is the Bible. May the curse of God be on you if you don't show your proof that either Yahweh or Jesus proclaim yearly fasting in the month of Ramadan in the Bible because that will mean that you're lying

advocatejare:

Many fastings were proclaimed in the Bible by different people for different reason but the pagan Ramadan was never.

Ezra proclaimed a fast when the Jews faced a hazardous travel situation as they returned to Jerusalem from their exile in Babylon (Ezra 8:21-23). While the desire for safe travel was the immediate reason for the fast, Ezra stated the ultimate goal in verse 21: "that we might humble ourselves before God, to seek from Him the right way for us."

The fast of Esther 4:15-16 provides another example of drawing near to God when asking Him for protection.

In 2 Samuel 12:14-16, David fasted to seek God's healing for his sick child. It was during this intense seven-day fast that David wrote Psalm 51,

When Jonah preached to the Gentile city of Nineveh, the whole city came together and fasted in an incredible act of repentance (Jonah 3:7-10). The king of Nineveh ordered every person and their animals to fast and "cry mightily to God; yes, let every one turn from his evil way" (Jonah 3:. God was moved by their reverence and showed mercy by not destroying the city.


Ramadan fasting on the other hand is a pagan practice to the moon god, no wonder everything
about islam is symbolised as the moon

advocatejare:

Guy, I'm no longer a Muslim, it's only your fellow Muslims that you can be fooling and they won't use their brains.

Stop changing your words.

You said your God proclaimed fasting in the month of Ramadan in the Bible and I asked you to show me, but you can't, you're only beating around the bush.

Show me where God proclaimed fasting in the month of Ramadan in the Bible.

Show your proof from the Jewish scriptures. You said you believe in Torah, Sabura, Injeel. Show your proofs from there and stop telling me fables, fairaytales, itan ijapa ati yanibo


Muhammad copied the Sabians in that aspect.

Muhammad was a sex addict who couldn't hold himself, so as usual he lied that Allah had permitted him to have sex during fasting, the real God never spoke to Muhammad, even the fake Allah never found Muhammad worthy of being spoken to directly, allah had to send an unknown jinn that you erroneously refer to as jibril to Muhammad so all the words and actions of Muhammad were never by a true God.



You've proven that you don't know anything in Islam, you're a deceiver just like Allah the best of the deceivers.
Your Qur'an tells u that the Quran came to confirm what is in the previous scriptures never did it say it came to change them. But because you're hellbent at deceiving those who see you as knowledgeable, you then decided to write your own Qur'an and claim that you're wiser than Allah

"And believe in what I have sent down confirming that which is [already] with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And do not exchange My signs for a small price, and fear [only] Me."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 41)


"He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 3)

Empiree:
Oniworoworo... Mr copy copy. Who takes you serious again?.

Let me just educate you for the purposes of future audience. You keep saying fasting in the month of Ramadan has pagan root. What you failed to understand is that fasting of Ramadan had always been the way of prophets and messangers before Quran was revealed.


QUR'AN says:


"O you who believe, fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may develop God-consciousness." (Quran 2:183).


This means that all prophets and messangers before prophet muhammad (SAW) fasted obligatory fast. Former nations such as Assyrians and the Babylonians observed fasting as a form of penance.

After prophets and messangers of old passed some of their people still held on to fasting, tainted fasting even though they deviated from oneness of God and worship idol but they still maintained obligatory fasting for the most part. That is the part Islam came to correct and standardize. Just like you also messed up identity of Jesus and ISLAM came to correct you. So there is nothing wrong should you see pagans fasted Ramadan. It doesn't mean fasting began with them. No. It began with their divine prophets and messangers to whom fasting was enforced.

Only Muslims still maintained and held on to the truth in the world today. You have diluted doctrines like pagans. This is why you have crazy-self designated fast like called "awe funfun" whereby you don't really fast. Pastors would tell you to fast but you can only eat gari, rice without stew, fruit, eba without obe . Fufu without ponmo and egunsi . Awon werey

Shey that one na fast . Awon eletan

advocatejare:

Just quote out where God asked jews/christians to fast in the month of Ramadan.

Stop doing pity pity, you're a man. Be strong, i won't beat you na. You're my boy, I like the way I teach you and Antichristian.

Eyin Omo mi

advocatejare:


I don't hate you. Christ's teaching forbids us from hating anyone.

You deserve to be pitied and not hated,

You deserve to know the truth and desist from falsehoods.

All the 5 pillars of your religion are based on pagan practice.

You may know and decide to continue in the path of destruction, but let me expose the deceits of Allah, Al-Makirina, the best of the deceivers to those yearning for the truth.


Komuja lowo.

You've been engaging me in arguements, you're only crying now because I keep lashing you and exposing your lies.


Pele

Empiree:
I purposely chose not to reply you yesterday after I realized your comments made others uncomfortable. And it seems the thread hit the front page today that's why I'm responding. As for your question, if you read btw the lines all along you should have realized you have been duly answered but hatred wont allow you to see.

Fake love is what Christianity preaches.

babayinka77:


Guy! you were never a Muslim, so stop acting as if you were once one.

advocatejare:

Instead of this aroye ati ejo wewe, simply show where Yahweh or Jesus proclaimed Ramadan fasting in the Bible. Kojubelo.

[s]Islam and Allah teach you not to be friends with Christians.

Islam is what teaches you hate:

O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 51)

Muhammad used evil to repay good, when the Meccans wanted to kill Muhammad, he ran to Abysinnia to and the Christians accommodated him, he learnt many things from the Christians over there including many scriptural stories he plagiarized. They were friendly to him but at the end, he asked you Muslims to hate us.

He hated Christians and promised to chase them out of Arab peninsula.



Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.
Sahih muslim 2167a


Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab: That the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: If I live - if Allah wills - I will expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula.
Jami at-tirmidhi 1606

Jabir bin ‘Abd Allah said that he was told by ‘Umar bin Al Khattab that he heard the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) say “I will certainly expel the Jews and the Christians from Arabia and I shall leave only Muslims in it.”
-Sunan Abi Dawud 3030

The next time they tell you that Islam teaches peace and love, ask them what peace and love mean to them [/s]

Mohammedoba36:

I can now believe that you are a black pegan with black thought against muslims and Islam in Nigeria, but you are very much late, Nigeria remains Muslim country by status around the world, even if you go to America they will confirm to you that Nigeria belongs to muslims.

Empiree:
go and read your book of Jeremiah

what's all these gotta do with this topic?

Mohammedoba36:
is pity that you concocted this fallacy

advocatejare:

I've read it and there's no where Yahweh proclaimed fasting there. If there's any, show us.

By the way, when did you start believing in Jeremiah, don't you claim that it's only Torah, Sabura, Injeel that you believe in

To show you that Islam, Allah, Muhammad preached hatred against Christians and Jews

Empiree:
is Jeremiah not in your Bible?

why did you leave this out?



"Allah does not forbid you to be kind and equitable to those who had neither fought against your faith nor driven you out of your homes. In fact Allah loves the equitable." Q60:8

advocatejare:


Jeremiah is in the Bible.

But you're yet to show me where God made the proclamation that Jews should fast in the month of Ramadan.

Now back to my question, do you believe in the Book of Jeremiah like you claim to believe in Torah, Sabura and Injeela?

Empiree:
let QUR'AN answer you.



"Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." Q2:136

advocatejare:

I don't hate you. Christ's teaching forbids us from hating anyone.

You deserve to be pitied and not hated,

You deserve to know the truth and desist from falsehoods.

advocatejare:
You may know and decide to continue in the path of destruction, but let me expose the deceits of Allah, Al-Makirina, the best of the deceivers to those yearning for the truth.

budaatum:


Did you not learn from Jesus Christ about the wages of hubris?




I put it to you all here that if this individual can not learn from our Lord and Messiah Jesus Christ he can not learn from Islam and should therefore not be entertained.

advocatejare:

Ok

budaatum:


The Peace of the Lord is with you.

advocatejare:


you're yet to show me where God made the proclamation that Jews should fast in the month of Ramadan.

Empiree:

"Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity". Hebrew 6:1