Boss13:
Lucifer is not Satan. It is quite sad how this error came to be. Lucifer is an Angel of God.

xproducer:


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One should be preoccupied with The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST and one's own salvation from the wrath of GOD that is to come on all the unsaved / "wicked" of the world and other spirits who rebelled! Not on debates that do not profit!

"Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out." - John 12:31

"So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him" - Revelation 12:9

"For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’ Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms," - Isaiah 14:13-16

"Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." - Revelation 12:12

"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day." - Jude 1:6

To state that "Christians erroneously arrogate..." is to disarm people! On the other hand GOD warns us in His holy word to "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour." - 1 Peter 5:8

We should watch / be conscious of both blatant and subtle deceit which leads us to sin, which destroys - "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works." - 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." - Ephesians 6:10-11

Know this! "God has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That power belongs to God." - Psalm 62:11

Boss13:
Lucifer is not Satan. It is quite sad how this error came to be. Lucifer is an Angel of God.

xproducer:
"Besides, there is no where in the Bible stating that Satan fell from heaven"....

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One should be preoccupied with The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST and one's own salvation from the wrath of GOD that is to come on all the unsaved / "wicked" of the world and other spirits who rebelled! Not on debates that do not profit!

"Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out." - John 12:31

"So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him" - Revelation 12:9

"For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’ Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms," - Isaiah 14:13-16

"Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." - Revelation 12:12

"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day." - Jude 1:6

To state that "Christians erroneously arrogate..." is to disarm people! On the other hand GOD warns us in His holy word to "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour." - 1 Peter 5:8

We should watch / be conscious of both blatant and subtle deceit which leads us to sin, which destroys - "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works." - 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." - Ephesians 6:10-11

Know this! "God has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That power belongs to God." - Psalm 62:11

xproducer:

Read Isaiah 14:1-21 very, very well!

Boss13:
We have a huge misconception of Jesus, or Yeshua, the Christ. I know Christians will quickly rush to the Bible for referencing. However, the Bible is riddled with errors. Errors due to misinterpretation and translation.

Jesus does not want to be worshipped or revered. Jesus is not God or Source. Jesus is not the only way to God. He is not the only begotten Son of God, we all are. Jesus was once like us, lost of our spirit ways and we all can attain Christ like state. Jesus is our brother, our friend and not God. He has lived millions of lives on earth.

This debate or fight about the superiority of religion is ridiculous especially when we clearly forgotten the knowledge of our true self.

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO

Boss13:

Not an opinion. Those who know, knows.

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO

Kobojunkie:
Isaiah 14 is a dirge/song God sings of the King of Babylon .... if you read it with your eyes open, you would see this.

xproducer:

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You are not incorrect in the historical sense, and that has happened - but I am speaking of this passage in holy Scripture in the spiritual / heavenly / parabolic sense, and has not but will also happen! GOD's word never fails!

Definitions of a Parable:
"a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson."
"a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like."

The Purpose of Parables
"And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given." - Matthew 13:9-11