Olu317:
Your Oba knows the truth , which is the reason, he took it upon himself to honour his ancestors by doing a sacrificial rites as being done by Fagbamila Olalomi, Oramiya, Owu, Ake, Alaafin, Awujale,etc.

Meanwhile, Ekerlederan died in Ughoton. . Edo liars. Read the founder of Ughoton direct descendants , who went to visit King Emmanuel of Portugal in 1505.

Itis a fact that Ughoton Ohen Olokun was the direct descendant of Ekerlederan; descendant of Owodo.

Interview with Mrs. F. Iguakun, Age-46, Venue Ughoton, Occupation-Nursing.

Interview conducted on 15-4-2013. For further information on religion at Ughoton, see interview with Christopher Enodunmwenben, Age-59, occupation – farming , venue-Ughoton.

Interview conducted on 6-4-2013 and interview with Rolland Obazee, Age-71, Occupation-Retired Soldier, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Interview with Thomas Okunhon, Age-75, Occupation-farming, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Isichie, E . History of West Africa since 1800 (Macmillan Publishers, 1969)

You are funny and I think kind of shallow.
This last paragraph of the document you posted already gives an insight how the Oba and the Edos at that time see Ekaladeran. If the Oba regards Ekaladeran as a son of the palace then he obviously regarded him as of one blood and his ancestors. This provess a link between Ekaladeran and the Obas, not some stupid stories from you Yorubas..
The Obas of Benin are descendants of Ekaladeran.

davidnazee:


You are funny and I think kind of shallow.
This last paragraph of the document you posted already gives an insight how the Oba and the Edos at that time see Ekaladeran. If the Oba regards Ekaladeran as a son of the palace then he obviously regarded him as of one blood and his ancestors. This provess a link between Ekaladeran and the Obas, not some stupid stories from you Yorubas..
The Obas of Benin are descendants of Ekaladeran.

Your ignorance is geometric.The point is that Ekaladeran descendants are alive. Infact they are in Ughoton and in this case conscripted as Captain, Ohen okun and as Olokun worshiper,b

'Many reasons could be adduced. First, the Ohen-Okun, the chief of Ughoton was at this time the head of the village as well as the chief priest of Olokun temple, who was direct descendants of Prince Ekaladerhan, the founder of Ughoton village. So sending the chief of Ughoton as an ambassador to Portugal was like sending a Prince from the palace of the Oba to Benin'.

From above statement Olofin DodoIwa/ DuduIwa/ Odua was not your Ogiso Owodo's Ekalaredan,who founded and died in Ughoton.I thought you people claimed he had no children apart from mysterious Ileife children in your dreams.



In the furtherance of bursting Edo e-liars , Alfonso d' Aveiro account says, 'And the king of Benin sent to the king of Portugal as Ambassador, a negro who was his captain in a seaport known as Ugato wishing to have news of our lands, the people of which had been in Beny considered a great novelty”…

This only proof that he was not a prince but a loyal servant to the Oba from Yoruba ancestor.

Olu317:
Your ignorance is geometric.The point is that Ekaladeran descendants are alive. Infact they are in Ughoton and in this case conscripted as Captain, Ohen okun and as Olokun worshiper,b

'Many reasons could be adduced. First, the Ohen-Okun, the chief of Ughoton was at this time the head of the village as well as the chief priest of Olokun temple, who was direct descendants of Prince Ekaladerhan, the founder of Ughoton village. So sending the chief of Ughoton as an ambassador to Portugal was like sending a Prince from the palace of the Oba to Benin'.

From above statement Olofin DodoIwa/ DuduIwa/ Odua was not your Ogiso Owodo's Ekalaredan,who founded and died in Ughoton.I thought you people claimed he had no children apart from mysterious Ileife children in your dreams.



In the furtherance of bursting Edo e-liars , Alfonso d' Aveiro account says, 'And the king of Benin sent to the king of Portugal as Ambassador, a negro who was his captain in a seaport known as Ugato wishing to have news of our lands, the people of which had been in Beny considered a great novelty”…

This only proof that he was not a prince but a loyal servant to the Oba from Yoruba ancestor.

I said before you are shallow minded like your fellow Yorubas on nairaland.. Your article clearly says the reason Ohen Okun was sent to Portugal was because of his blood link to the palace. The Oba and Edos regards Ekaladeran as a prince of the palace and ancestors of all Benin Obas..
Ekaladeran may not be your Oduduwa but he is the father of all Benin Obas.
I can even say he is Oduduwa seeing as he is good at creating chief priests (Ohen Okun, Ooni) and worship centers (Ughoton and Ife) lol..

I think if your alaffin sent someone as an ambassador the Portuguese would have also said " the alaffin sent a negro" so i dont know what your dumb brain is celebrating in your last paragraph..

Olu317:
Your Oba knows the truth , which is the reason, he took it upon himself to honour his ancestors by doing a sacrificial rites as being done by Fagbamila Olalomi, Oramiya, Owu, Ake, Alaafin, Awujale,etc.

Meanwhile, Ekerlederan died in Ughoton. . Edo liars. Read the founder of Ughoton direct descendants , who went to visit King Emmanuel of Portugal in 1505.

Itis a fact that Ughoton Ohen Olokun was the direct descendant of Ekerlederan; descendant of Owodo.

Interview with Mrs. F. Iguakun, Age-46, Venue Ughoton, Occupation-Nursing.

Interview conducted on 15-4-2013. For further information on religion at Ughoton, see interview with Christopher Enodunmwenben, Age-59, occupation – farming , venue-Ughoton.

Interview conducted on 6-4-2013 and interview with Rolland Obazee, Age-71, Occupation-Retired Soldier, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Interview with Thomas Okunhon, Age-75, Occupation-farming, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Isichie, E . History of West Africa since 1800 (Macmillan Publishers, 1969)

Am the only edo person who has been shouting Ekaladerhan history has nothing to do with yoruba

Fezz
Etrusen


As a matter of fact if you go through my post you will see it, i pointed out that it was oba erediawa who twisted the original Ekaladerhan history to mean Oduduwa,


Benin and ife never had any connections pre 1913 not untill after the empire fell to the British, that the ife and benin myth were made up for political bebefit


Abi... You they fear to read my comment, you of all people should already know my stance

gregyboy:


Am the only edo person who has been shouting Ekaladerhan history has nothing to do with yoruba

Fezz
Etrusen


As a matter of fact if you go through my post you will see it, i pointed out that it was oba erediawa who twisted the original Ekaladerhan history to mean Oduduwa,


Benin and ife never had any connections pre 1913 not untill after the empire fell to the British, that the ife and benin myth were made up for political bebefit


Abi... You they fear to read my comment, you of all people should already know my stance

Benin and IFE history dates back to More than 1000 years, why are you people so ignorant and stupid, a Yoruba man OBA is Benin king and Benin are Yoruba people speaking different dialects. There language is similar to Yoruba dialects. You now know more than a whole OBA of Benin, what sort of arrogance is this? Are you normal, do you think this people don’t have family history that they pass orally to offsprings? Do you know the secrets behind the crown? Don’t come here and say you know the history of Benin more than the King, it is Nigeria north that divided Benin and Yoruba for politics, OBA of Benin is a Yoruba king period. All OBAs in Yorubaland throw banter on who is superior but they know their history better than you

Jagunlabiodua:


Benin and IFE history dates back to More than 1000 years, why are you people so ignorant and stupid, a Yoruba man OBA is Benin king and Benin are Yoruba people speaking different dialects. There language is similar to Yoruba dialects. You now know more than a whole OBA of Benin, what sort of arrogance is this? Are you normal, do you think this people don’t have family history that they pass orally to offsprings? Do you know the secrets behind the crown? Don’t come here and say you know the history of Benin more than the King, it is Nigeria north that divided Benin and Yoruba for politics, OBA of Benin is a Yoruba king period. All OBAs in Yorubaland throw banter on who is superior but they know their history better than you

Are you high,

Yes bini and ife myth existed 1000yrs ago


But the issues we are having is that we cant see the trace of ife and benin interlationship throughout history....


They are supposed to be yoruba titles in benin palace pertaining to yorubas from ife...

But we don't see that
They ought to be ifa worship in benin palace

It is not there....

The europeans never saw benin and ife interact throughout their 409yrs in benin, when they saw various other yoruba tribe who interacted with benin, they happen never to see any bini-ife relationship or interaction



Or is there something i dont know that you want to tell me to convince me


The oba is citizen of edo just as me, he is the oba doesn't mean he be more correct in edo history than an average edo man....

The ife benin history started after 1914, for political unification

Jagunlabiodua:


Benin and IFE history dates back to More than 1000 years, why are you people so ignorant and stupid, a Yoruba man OBA is Benin king and Benin are Yoruba people speaking different dialects. There language is similar to Yoruba dialects. You now know more than a whole OBA of Benin, what sort of arrogance is this? Are you normal, do you think this people don’t have family history that they pass orally to offsprings? Do you know the secrets behind the crown? Don’t come here and say you know the history of Benin more than the King, it is Nigeria north that divided Benin and Yoruba for politics, OBA of Benin is a Yoruba king period. All OBAs in Yorubaland throw banter on who is superior but they know their history better than you

You keep on saying "do you know Benin history more than the king".. my question to you is, mention the Benin king that said he originated from yorubaland? Let's see your detailed evidence. You guys just come on nairaland to give unfounded stories and you think observers here are dummies to believe the rubbish you post here. By the way the word "yoruba" did not exist during that era, so what "yoruba speaking people are you talking about"? You can see that you are now saying rubbish.

Secondly, the omon' oba N' Edo of Benin Kingdom Ewuare (2) boldly stated in his inauguration speech that he believes Ekalederan also known as Oduduwa was the son of ogiso owodo, the last ogiso of the ogiso dynasty. So what are you arguing about again. You better go and listen to the full inauguration speech again. I assume you listed to the doctored copy of the speech and that is why you seem confused.

Olu317:
Your Oba knows the truth , which is the reason, he took it upon himself to honour his ancestors by doing a sacrificial rites as being done by Fagbamila Olalomi, Oramiya, Owu, Ake, Alaafin, Awujale,etc.

Meanwhile, Ekerlederan died in Ughoton. . Edo liars. Read the founder of Ughoton direct descendants , who went to visit King Emmanuel of Portugal in 1505.

Itis a fact that Ughoton Ohen Olokun was the direct descendant of Ekerlederan; descendant of Owodo.

Interview with Mrs. F. Iguakun, Age-46, Venue Ughoton, Occupation-Nursing.

Interview conducted on 15-4-2013. For further information on religion at Ughoton, see interview with Christopher Enodunmwenben, Age-59, occupation – farming , venue-Ughoton.

Interview conducted on 6-4-2013 and interview with Rolland Obazee, Age-71, Occupation-Retired Soldier, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Interview with Thomas Okunhon, Age-75, Occupation-farming, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Isichie, E . History of West Africa since 1800 (Macmillan Publishers, 1969)

Macmillan Publishers, 1969). The date published speaks volume. Work of revionists. No need to waste my time on this. Cheers!

Olu317:
Your ignorance is geometric.The point is that Ekaladeran descendants are alive. Infact they are in Ughoton and in this case conscripted as Captain, Ohen okun and as Olokun worshiper,b

'Many reasons could be adduced. First, the Ohen-Okun, the chief of Ughoton was at this time the head of the village as well as the chief priest of Olokun temple, who was direct descendants of Prince Ekaladerhan, the founder of Ughoton village. So sending the chief of Ughoton as an ambassador to Portugal was like sending a Prince from the palace of the Oba to Benin'.

From above statement Olofin DodoIwa/ DuduIwa/ Odua was not your Ogiso Owodo's Ekalaredan,who founded and died in Ughoton.I thought you people claimed he had no children apart from mysterious Ileife children in your dreams.



In the furtherance of bursting Edo e-liars , Alfonso d' Aveiro account says, 'And the king of Benin sent to the king of Portugal as Ambassador, a negro who was his captain in a seaport known as Ugato wishing to have news of our lands, the people of which had been in Beny considered a great novelty”…

This only proof that he was not a prince but a loyal servant to the Oba from Yoruba ancestor.

From the bolden in your concluding sentence.. where is it written in the article you posted that "Oba has Yoruba ancestors"?. You can see how yorubas like yourself just cook up stories from thin air. You guys are terrible liars and fabricators. This is quite sad.

If the oba was a yoruba man like this men are forcing me to believe why is oba of benin not having a yoruba tribal mark or an ife tribal mark on his face..... To show ancestory


Make my benin people they think oo if they want the best for themselves


I hate that benin my tribe are skacking behind and they feel comfortable in it


They can't eveb think for themselves
Mtcheew

Etrusen
Fezz

gregyboy:
If the oba was a yoruba man like this men are forcing me to believe why is oba of benin not having a yoruba tribal mark or an ife tribal mark on his face..... To show ancestory


Make my benin people they think oo if they want the best for themselves


I hate that benin my tribe are skacking behind and they feel comfortable in it


They can't eveb think for themselves
Mtcheew

Etrusen
Fezz

You are getting it wrong.. A greater percentage of Edos never believe or think the Oba of Benin to be Yoruba or descendant of Yoruba man.

davidnazee:


You are getting it wrong.. A greater percentage of Edos never believe or think the Oba of Benin to be Yoruba or descendant of Yoruba man.

Thats true...


Probably i should have said that to the yorubas

Fezz:


From the bolden in your concluding sentence.. where is it written in the article you posted that "Oba has Yoruba ancestors"?. You can see how yorubas like yourself just cook up stories from thin air. You guys are terrible liars and fabricators. This is quite sad.

Your Oba of the land of IBinu simply declared sevendays or so for venerate his ancestor Odudua.Why ask me silly question? The point is that Ekalederan is not your Odudua.

gregyboy:
If the oba was a yoruba man like this men are forcing me to believe why is oba of benin not having a yoruba tribal mark or an ife tribal mark on his face..... To show ancestory


Make my benin people they think oo if they want the best for themselves


I hate that benin my tribe are skacking behind and they feel comfortable in it


They can't eveb think for themselves
Mtcheew

Etrusen
Fezz

Tribal marks indeed. See serious humility . We are the plane faces who are Kings, princes, princesses .Meanwhile,I hope you remember Edo have tribal marks oooo.

And no bi Yoruba do una ooo. As simple as ABC, your king is of Oramiya heritage. Ekalederan lives on in his grave at Ughoton. The town which housed a port that brought wealth to Oba Ozolua and sons after him .

So , it is not a crime Ekalederan descendants Ohen Okun,controlled this port during the era of Oba Ozolua,whom he sent as his ambassador to Portugal with the Portuguese , Alfonso D' Aviero. Ciao

gregyboy:


Am the only edo person who has been shouting Ekaladerhan history has nothing to do with yoruba

Fezz
Etrusen


As a matter of fact if you go through my post you will see it, i pointed out that it was oba erediawa who twisted the original Ekaladerhan history to mean Oduduwa,


Benin and ife never had any connections pre 1913 not untill after the empire fell to the British, that the ife and benin myth were made up for political bebefit


Abi... You they fear to read my comment, you of all people should already know my stance

Let your brothers and sisters know this germane. Explain to them continously till they have grasp of your point that Ekalerderan is not Yoruba Olofin Oshin (Odudua).

Furthermore I will still post account of a booty (Gold chain) as a gift for persuation given to one our ancestors by Oba Bini around 18th century.

gregyboy:
If the oba was a yoruba man like this men are forcing me to believe why is oba of benin not having a yoruba tribal mark or an ife tribal mark on his face..... To show ancestory


Make my benin people they think oo if they want the best for themselves


I hate that benin my tribe are skacking behind and they feel comfortable in it


They can't eveb think for themselves
Mtcheew
Hi
Etrusen
Fezz

Lol

Did you see tribal mark on the face of the present Ooni? Your comment about tribal mark on the face of ọba Bini is silly, no wonder Tao11 has been whipping yiur butt with different evidences. You love to cling to different inanities

Olu317:
Tribal marks indeed. See serious humility . We are the plane faces who are Kings, princes, princesses .Meanwhile,I hope you remember Edo have tribal marks oooo.

And no bi Yoruba do una ooo. As simple as ABC, your king is of Oramiya heritage. Ekalederan lives on in his grave at Ughoton. The town which housed a port that brought wealth to Oba Ozolua and sons after him .

So , it is not a crime Ekalederan descendants Ohen Okun,controlled this port during the era of Oba Ozolua,whom he sent as his ambassador to Portugal with the Portuguese , Alfonso D' Aviero. Ciao

Benin never had tribal marks for face

Check the pics of oba ovaramen, along with the Chiefs who were killed in the 1897 massacre non had a tribal markings on their face neither the great grand father of governor obaseki

What benin had was tribal markings on thier bodies,

Tribal marks on the face were rrcrnt development borrowed from other tribe

rhektor:



Lol

Did you see tribal mark on the face of the present Ooni? Your comment about tribal mark on the face of ọba Bini is silly, no wonder Tao11 has been whipping yiur butt with different evidences. You love to cling to different inanities

They past ooni had, didnt they.....


Our oba never ever had so get sense

gregyboy:



They past ooni had, didnt they.....


Our oba never ever had so get sense

How many ọba Bini have you met?

rhektor:


How many ọba Bini have you met?

We have pics of oba ovaramen you can go and check it out

gregyboy:


We have pics of oba ovaramen you can go and check it out

Ovoramen is number what in the lineage of ọba Bini?

rhektor:


Ovoramen is number what in the lineage of ọba Bini?

Oga we have European discription of some obas in benin,


Stop fighting it bro....

Ovaramen is enough to tackle all your assertion


Benin-ife never existed untill after 1914

Samuel johson inventes Oduduwa from his imagination

Ifa was the original idol worshiped in ife


Oromiyan was the idols of oyo people

gregyboy:



Oga we have European discription of some Yorubas in benin,


Stop fighting it bro....

Ovaramen is enough to tackle all your assertion


Benin-ife never existed untill after 1914

Samuel johson inventes Oduduwa from his imagination

Ifa was the original idol worshiped in ife


Oromiyan was the idols of oyo people

By your logic ọba Ewuare was lying when he said that Oranmiyan was the first Ọba Bini?

rhektor:


By your logic ọba Ewuare was lying when he said that Oranmiyan was the first Ọba Bini?

Our oba is simply playing the political script with the Yoruba royal fathers

Something they invented to tease themselves and catch cruise

Yea he was lieing

Oromiyan never even breathed air in this earth one day not to say Oduduwa that was imagined by an oyo man

gregyboy:



Our oba is simply playing the political script with the Yoruba royal fathers

Something they invented to tease themselves and catch cruise

Yea he was lieing

Oromiyan never even breathed air in this earth one day not to say Oduduwa that was imagined by an oyo man

gregyboy:


Benin never had tribal marks for face

Check the pics of oba ovaramen, along with the Chiefs who were killed in the 1897 massacre non had a tribal markings on their face neither the great grand father of governor obaseki

What benin had was tribal markings on thier bodies,

Tribal marks on the face were rrcrnt development borrowed from other tribe

What about the Iwu marking ? Iyeoba Idia had Iwu marking on her forehead . It is a fact Binis had facial marks. You can read more or atleast ask elders of over 70 years old in Bini or well researched historical journals or authored work

gregyboy:



Our oba is simply playing the political script with the Yoruba royal fathers

Something they invented to tease themselves and catch cruise

Yea he was lieing

Oromiyan never even breathed air in this earth one day not to say Oduduwa that was imagined by an oyo man

I am a descendant of Oramiyah 100% patrilineal bloodline. :- . Try to come up another story.

Olu317:
What about the Iwu marking ? Iyeoba Idia had Iwu marking on her forehead . It is a fact Binis had facial marks. You can read more or atleast ask elders of over 70 years old in Bini or well researched historical journals or authored work

They had body markings and not tribal mark which involve tear of flesh

The body markings are done with die and it serves for beautification

Am very aware iwu markingd you can go through my post and you see me talking about it extensively so i was aware when i made that comment to you....

.

Olu317:
Your Oba of the land of IBinu simply declared sevendays or so for venerate his ancestor Odudua.Why ask me silly question? The point is that Ekalederan is not your Odudua.

You are a clown. The same Oba clearly stated in his inauguration speech that the exiled prince Oduduwa also known as Ekalederan is the son of Ogiso owodo. Go and listen to the full inauguration speech of the Oba. You probably watched the edited version. Lol

gregyboy:


Benin never had tribal marks for face

Check the pics of oba ovaramen, along with the Chiefs who were killed in the 1897 massacre non had a tribal markings on their face neither the great grand father of governor obaseki

What benin had was tribal markings on thier bodies,

Tribal marks on the face were rrcrnt development borrowed from other tribe

What do u mean Benin never had tribal marks and it was recent development borrowed from other tribes?
Markings on bodies are mostly medicinal and tattoos.

Tribal/facial marks are mostly no longer done.. so if it is recent development as u say then it didn't last long because most edos born after 80s dont have facial markings.

Fezz:


You are a clown. The same Oba clearly stated in his inauguration speech that the exiled prince Oduduwa also known as Ekalederan is the son of Ogiso owodo. Go and listen to the full inauguration speech of the Oba. You probably watched the edited version. Lol

He listened to the full speech, just don't want to accept that their great Oduduwa was an exiled Edo prince.. he puts his pride before his senses..