Great2017:

You can only deceive yourself and those who cannot read and comprehend. The Bible has been made accessible to all and sundry. The Holy Spirit is also accessible to everyone.

I don't need you nor any MOG to know what is right and wrong. You and your MOG can only deceive those that are gullible.

Charity and love are fundamental ingredients in the Good News that Jesus Christ brought to us. The lives of the early apostles also radiated these virtues.

Keep deceiving yourself with T.B. Joshua. Charity and humility were part of the life he lived. Humanity will always remember him for this. How many of your MOG can measure up in this regard?

I cannot be deceived by you and your "pastorpreneurs".

Jay Jay O.
Mathews 6:2-3 is there for all who want the truth. No where was it recorded where charity was done by Jesus openly.He did mighty works of miracles, healing and deliverance openly but not open charity. It is clear your association with TB Joshua is stronger than anything you ever claimed to have with Jesus.

LyfeJennings:


My brother
Some things go happen and U will be shocked beyond words
Who knew
Who ever imagined
The great TB Joshua
4days to his death
I was watching his program where he was talking about him being immature to handle global acceptance at the beginning of his ministry
Hmmmmm
May his soul rest peacefully

That life nothing is parmanet

CodeTemplar:


Jay Jay O.
Mathews 6:2-3 is there for all who want the truth. No where was it recorded where charity was done by Jesus openly.He did mighty works of miracles, healing and deliverance openly but not open charity. It is clear your association with TB Joshua is stronger than anything you ever claimed to have with Jesus.

What about the feeding of 4000 and 5000 people? Was it done in the secret? Jesus saw the need and he did not deny them even when one of His disciples tried to dissuade him.

I don't know T.B. Joshua. I have never attended any of his services or programmes. However, you cannot take away his humility and charitable work especially to the poor. I am not saying he did not have his shortcomings. If only our MOG can be this kind to the poor in our society, Nigeria would have been a better place.

On different occasions, Jesus fed 4000 and 5000 people. He told the rich man to sell all he had and give to the poor. Jesus never owned any property. He went about doing good and showing compassion. The same was replicated by the early apostles.

What we have today are MOG milking their gullible followers. The very poor among them cannot afford the tuition payable in the schools they have so built with offerings and tithes collected from their congregation. These schools are registered in their names and that of their wives and children. They are all competing over having the highest number of private jets and the biggest auditorium abandoning charity work that should have been the fundamental function of any religious body. Jesus Christ specifically told Peter to feed His sheep. Now I ask: Is that the Good News Jesus Christ or the early apostles brought to us?

T. B. Joshua is not perfect just like you and me. But he did not milk his congregation the way your MOG are doing. I would rather choose a T.B. Joshua over those thieves parading themselves as MOG.

Great2017:


What about the feeding of 4000 and 5000 people? Was it done in the secret?

I don't know T.B. Joshua. I have never attended any of his services or programmes. However, you cannot take away his humility and charity especially to the poor. I am not saying he did not have his shortcomings. If only our MOG can be this kind to the poor in our society, Nigeria would have been a better place.

On different occasions, Jesus fed 4000 and 5000 people. He told the rich man to sell all he had and give to the poor. Jesus never owned any property. He went about doing good and showing compassion. The same was replicated by the early apostles.

What we have today are MOG milking their gullible followers. The very poor among them cannot afford the tuition payable in the schools they have so built with offerings and tithes collected from their congregation. These schools are registered in their names and that of their wives and children. Is that the Good News Jesus Christ or the early apostles brought to us?

T. B. Joshua is not perfect just like you and me. But he did not milk his congregation the way your MOG are doing. I would rather choose T.B. Joshua over those thieves parading themselves as MOG.

Feeding of thousands was a miracle. Stop exposing your illiteracy level.

CodeTemplar:
Feeding of thousands was a miracle. Stop exposing your illiteracy level.

You are the one that is exposing your ignorance here.

The multiplication is a miracle but taking care of their need is a charitable work.

What about the rich man Jesus instructed to sell all he had and give to the poor (the needy) and not to Him or the Pharisees? What is that called? Is that a miracle as well?

How about the early church that brought what they had for their common good? Is that also a miracle?

Why are your MOG not following this footprint? Jesus Christ personally instructed Peter to feed His sheep. Your MOG are only feeding their interest. Why are they not following the examples laid by Jesus Christ and the early apostles?

You can only deceive yourself and your gullible followers.

ikorodureporta:
A very mysterious person nobody understood.

Was he a prophet

TB Joshua was one of the Worst Witchdoctors ever to come out of Africa

Great2017:


You are the one that is exposing your ignorance here.

The multiplication is a miracle but taking care of their need is a charitable work.

What about the rich man Jesus instructed to sell all he had and give to the poor (the needy) and not to Him or the Pharisees? What is that called? Is that a miracle as well?

How about the early church that brought what they had for their common good? Is that also a miracle?

Why are your MOG not following this footprint? Jesus Christ personally instructed Peter to feed His sheep. Your MOG are only feeding their interest. Why are they not following the examples laid by Jesus Christ and the early apostles?

You can only deceive yourself and your gullible followers.

Reason like an adult for once. Did Jesus provide the bread that was multiplied? No. Jesus multiplied it.

As for the rich man asked to sell and give to the poor, did Jesus contradict Mathews 6:2-3 in any way there? He asked the man to give in line with Mathews 6:2-3.

I can see you are one of the unstable antichristian elements around here. If you have problem with any man of God call out his name or go meet him one on one instead of acting like it is TB Joshua versus the rest.

TimmyTen:
Many people are suspicious of this man's ministry but his way of life was far better than that of those we celebrate.
(a) He was very modest. Always in shirt and trousers
(b) He was always giving to the needy; always doing charity work

We can't say the same about others

E nor pass like that my brother.

CodeTemplar:



Reason like an adult for once. Did Jesus provide the bread that was multiplied? No. Jesus multiplied it.

As for the rich man asked to sell and give to the poor, did Jesus contradict Mathews 6:2-3 in any way there? He asked the man to give in line with Mathews 6:2-3.

I can see you are one of the unstable antichristian elements around here. If you have problem with any man of God call out his name or go meet him one on one instead of acting like it is TB Joshua versus the rest.

You are the one that is reasoning like a toldler. After the multiplication, did Jesus take the bread home? If you cannot see the act of compassion and giving to the needy here, I am afraid, you may not be different from your MOG.

How many of your MOG are feeding the sheep Jesus gave them? I challenge you to name Just one. Then, we will know who is antichristian or unstable.

There is no christianity without charity and love. Jesus Christ went about doing good. Charity revolved around the lives and ministry of the early apostles.

What do we have today? Your MOG are amassing and building there treasures on earth when Jesus Christ instructed us otherwise.

Great2017:

How many of your MOG are feeding the sheep Jesus gave them? I challenge you to name Just one. Then, we will know who is antichristian or unstable.

Jay jay O.
When will you grow up and have some sense? Pastors are not farmers whose sole aim is to harvest produce and expend them on feeding the congregation. What TB Joshua was doing is selling of the things of the spirit and giving back little out the abundance it brought him as a way of laundering his image.

CodeTemplar:
Jay jay O.
When will you grow up and have some sense? Pastors are not farmers whose sole aim is to harvest produce and expend them on feeding the congregation. What TB Joshua was doing is selling of the things of the spirit and giving back little out the abundance it brought him as a way of laundering his image.

Was Peter a farmer when Jesus Christ instructed him to feed His sheep?

You condemn T.B. Joshua for wrong doing. I am not holding brief for him anyway. However, your MOG are doing worse than that and you do not see anything wrong in it. I hail your christianity. My Jesus never stole from His sheep by trick.

Generalnomercy:


In this life, people dishonour the good but celebrate thieves on suite, what a world.

TB Joshua fulfilled the scriptures.

how? if I may ask.

Great2017:


What about the feeding of 4000 and 5000 people? Was it done in the secret? Jesus saw the need and he did not deny them even when one of His disciples tried to dissuade him.

I don't know T.B. Joshua. I have never attended any of his services or programmes. However, you cannot take away his humility and charitable work especially to the poor. I am not saying he did not have his shortcomings. If only our MOG can be this kind to the poor in our society, Nigeria would have been a better place.

On different occasions, Jesus fed 4000 and 5000 people. He told the rich man to sell all he had and give to the poor. Jesus never owned any property. He went about doing good and showing compassion. The same was replicated by the early apostles.

What we have today are MOG milking their gullible followers. The very poor among them cannot afford the tuition payable in the schools they have so built with offerings and tithes collected from their congregation. These schools are registered in their names and that of their wives and children. They are all competing over having the highest number of private jets and the biggest auditorium abandoning charity work that should have been the fundamental function of any religious body. Jesus Christ specifically told Peter to feed His sheep. Now I ask: Is that the Good News Jesus Christ or the early apostles brought to us?

T. B. Joshua is not perfect just like you and me. But he did not milk his congregation the way your MOG are doing. I would rather choose a T.B. Joshua over those thieves parading themselves as MOG.

Giving is only meaningful in the sight of God if you don't have any ulterior motive for it. When you give in order to deceive people to make them like you and praise you or to attract more people to your church or to exchange peoples glory satanically or for any other selfish reason God knows and instead of being blessed for it you get condemned in the sight of God, giving cannot make up for satanism in the sight of God because the greatest sin in the sight of God is idolatry. No wonder Nigeria is getting worst day by day because people support and trust anyone who gives to them even though what they are being given is in exchange for their future and the future of their children. It is not possible for all those other men of God and individuals calling TB Joshua evil to all be lying against him.

Great2017:


Was Peter a farmer when Jesus Christ instructed him to feed His sheep?

You condemn T.B. Joshua for wrong doing. I am not holding brief for him anyway. However, your MOG are doing worse than that and you do not see anything wrong in it. I hail your christianity. My Jesus never stole from His sheep by trick.

Who is the bold referring to ?

vannessa7:


Giving is only meaningful in the sight of God if you don't have any ulterior motive for it. When you give in order to deceive people to make them like you and praise you or to attract more people to your church or to exchange peoples glory satanically or for any other selfish reason God knows and instead of being blessed for it you get condemned in the sight of God, giving cannot make up for satanism in the sight of God because the greatest sin in the sight of God is idolatry. No wonder Nigeria is getting worst day by day because people support and trust anyone who gives to them even though what they are being given is in exchange for their future and the future of their children. It is not possible for all those other men of God and individuals calling TB Joshua evil to all be lying against him.

I totally agree with you that charity should be done for the sake of charity and never for vain glory. This is the reason I have always reiterated I was never holding brief for T.B. Joshua.

Having said that, christianity cannot be christianity if love and charity are completely missing. I stand to be corrected.

If we x-ray the way of life of our MOG, are they any better than what they demonize T.B. Joshua for - deceit and love for money?

They should judgement to God.

CodeTemplar:


Who is the bold referring to ?

Referring to your "Men of God" of course. Do you have contrary opinion?

Great2017:

Referring to your "Men of God" of course. Do you have contrary opinion?

be specific jayjayotumokp

Empiree:
I am personally not bothered by his achievements, especially his charitable contributions in Nigeria. God has duly replenished him for that in this life. He has created positive popular reviews for himself and it's all ends here in earth.

Second phase of his is life After. Whatever achievements he had before he died no longer have any meaning. It is unfortunate that he died as non-muslim. This is what matters now. He's now facing the reality. The reality is that he's now answering some serious questions in his grave or after he's buried. He will answer to God who accorded him "prophetic" title.

There shall be no more prophet after prophet muhammad (SAW). Anything after him is counterfeit. So surely without doubt, I feel sad for him. Only if he can be able to communicate with people he misled and left behind, he would tell them to be Muslim.

Once again, my condolences to the family of Temitope AbdulFatai Balogun. What a sad ending

@bold,I thought Islam teaches that your works on the earth is what will give you rewards in the hereafter?Is this statement of yours not contradicting the teachings of Islam?Is that not what Dua is about?

@second bold,that is what you believe.He doesn't believe that and died not believing that.According to the Bible he professed,there is even no prophet after Jesus.So your own position cannot judge his position.

You really should feel sad for yourself.
He is dead now and has to face his Maker.He's the One to judge man.You who is on the earth is the one to run your own race.

CodeTemplar:
be specific jayjayotumokp

@#&?

thorpido:
@bold,I thought Islam teaches that your works on the earth is what will give you rewards in the hereafter?Is this statement of yours not contradicting the teachings of Islam?Is that not what Dua is about?

Are you Muslim, sir?. If so, I will advice you to please try to study Quran very well. This is big probl6 with Muslims in the SW. You see christians as religion brethren or elesin keji as they are called. There is no religion after Islam but people do have right to practice whatever religion they want. But the moment they die on religion other than Islam there is no way out for them.

Now, speaking about "good deeds", every human being will be rewarded for their good deeds because God is not unjust. Unbelievers who is righteous in conduct will have his reward before he is she died and there are several ways they get those reward. But all these good works they accumulated on earth are useless if they are not Muslim. Read sura Kahf from 100 to the end. This Ayat are speaking about nonmuslims that did great work for humanity such as Bill Gates, TB Joshua etc. They get their rewards in this life but their God works are useless in the life after. So Bill Gates already had his rewards. Tb Joshua too. But there is nothing left for them Hereafter.

Quran always talks about faith in Allah followed up with good deeds. Faith comes first. Good deeds without Islam is useless sura 16:97

@second bold,that is what you believe.He doesn't believe that and died not believing that.According to the Bible he professed,there is even no prophet after Jesus.So your own position cannot judge his position.

with clear prophecies of prophet muhammad in the bible and Torah you still came up with this excuse?.

You really should feel sad for yourself.
He is dead now and has to face his Maker.He's the One to judge man.You who is on the earth is the one to run your own race.

I'm not here to vilify him. He's gone but we must talk reality. This is a wake up call for Christians to wake up from their slumbers before it's too late. This was a man with fake healings, fake prophecies "In Jesus name". To even pray in Jesus name is umbilical and against the teachings of Jesus. There is nothing called Jesus. Jesus is a fictional character. The name, Jesus was invented by White men. There is nothing in Jesus name.

The Bible position stands clear on it when it says;

"In Jesus name UNBELIEVERS hope".


This is all clear as daylight that everyone that shouts or believes "in Jesus name" is an unbeliever. I was watching Daddy Freeze last night and he too rejects the words "Jesus". Jesus name is a scam. True name is Yahshua. So stop wasting your precious time with in Jesus name. Your pastors are deceiving you.

The only people that get full rewards in this life and Hereafter are the Muslims. I have nothing against TB Joshua but some facts must be told. There are lots your pastors don't preach from the bible to you guys because it doesn't suit their narrative.

Empiree:
Are you Muslim, sir?. If so, I will advice you to please try to study Quran very well. This is big probl6 with Muslims in the SW. You see christians as religion brethren or elesin keji as they are called. There is no religion after Islam but people do have right to practice whatever religion they want. But the moment they die on religion other than Islam there is no way out for them.

Now, speaking about "good deeds", every human being will be rewarded for their good deeds because God is not unjust. Unbelievers who is righteous in conduct will have his reward before he is she died and there are several ways they get those reward. But all these good works they accumulated on earth are useless if they are not Muslim. Read sura Kahf from 100 to the end. This Ayat are speaking about nonmuslims that did great work for humanity such as Bill Gates, TB Joshua etc. They get their rewards in this life but their God works are useless in the life after. So Bill Gates already had his rewards. Tb Joshua too. But there is nothing left for them Hereafter.

Quran always talks about faith in Allah followed up with good deeds. Faith comes first. Good deeds without Islam is useless sura 16:97


with clear prophecies of prophet muhammad in the bible and Torah you still came up with this excuse?.



I'm not here to vilify him. He's gone but we must talk reality. This is a wake up call for Christians to wake up from their slumbers before it's too late. This was a man with fake healings, fake prophecies "In Jesus name". To even pray in Jesus name is umbilical and against the teachings of Jesus. There is nothing called Jesus. Jesus is a fictional character. The name, Jesus was invented by White men. There is nothing in Jesus name.

The Bible position stands clear on it when it says;

"In Jesus name UNBELIEVERS hope".


This is all clear as daylight that everyone that shouts or believes "in Jesus name" is an unbeliever. I was watching Daddy Freeze last night and he too rejects the words "Jesus". Jesus name is a scam. True name is Yahshua. So stop wasting your precious time with in Jesus name. Your pastors are deceiving you.

The only people that get full rewards in this life and Hereafter are the Muslims. I have nothing against TB Joshua but some facts must be told. There are lots your pastors don't preach from the bible to you guys because it doesn't suit their narrative.

@bold,can you share these prohecies with me?I want to learn.

thorpido:
@bold,can you share these prohecies with me?I want to learn.

Deuteronomy 18:15, 18, Genesis 49:10, Mark 1:7, John 14:16, 17, 26, Matthew 21:43, Isaiah 21:13-17, Song of Solomon (5:9-16),

Finally, Holy Quran:

“… Those who follow the Messenger, the Immaculate One, whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel which are with them.” Al-Quran 7:158)




And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!" Q61:6


These are enough for now. If you need breakdown ask. I will direct you to where you can get more info if I'm busy to explain

Empiree:
Deuteronomy 18:15, 18, Genesis 49:10, Mark 1:7, John 14:16, 17, 26, Matthew 21:43, Isaiah 21:13-17, Song of Solomon (5:9-16),

Finally, Holy Quran:

“… Those who follow the Messenger, the Immaculate One, whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel which are with them.” Al-Quran 7:158)




And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!" Q61:6


These are enough for now. If you need breakdown ask. I will direct you to where you can get more info if I'm busy to explain

Deuteronomy 18:15 - The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Moses continued, “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him.
Was Muhammed from the lineage of Israel?
Gen 49:10
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Was Muhammed of Judah?

Mark 1:7
And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.

8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Did Muhammed baptize with the Holy Ghost?
John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever. Did Muhammed live forever?

thorpido:
Deuteronomy 18:15 - The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Moses continued, “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him.
Was Muhammed from the lineage of Israel?

see bolded, that's a lie. This is new distortion. Of all the 50 English translated Bibles that I have only 2 were translated to israelites. Old and common translated Bibles such as KJV used brothers or brethren. Anyways, there were two prophecies in Bible. One refers to Jesus the other refers muhammad. Interestingly, this verse in Deuteronomy refers to Prophet but majority Christians believe he's God or son of God etc. This means the prophecy was not him.

Gen 49:10
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Was Muhammed of Judah?

oh no, not this. This was mistake, wrong reference.

Mark 1:7
And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.

8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Did Muhammed baptize with the Holy Ghost?
John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever. Did Muhammed live forever?

Yes, who else?. His message (Quran) to abide with us forever. Quran is still here. But where is "Gospel according to Jesus"?.

This is just a brief. This last passage you quoted is more than that. We can go on and on if you want. So, "may abuse with you forever" is message of Quran brought by prophet muhammad (S. A. W)

Empiree:
see bolded, that's a lie. This is new distortion. Of all the 50 English translated Bibles that I have only 2 were translated to israelites. Old and common translated Bibles such as KJV used brothers or brethren. Anyways, there were two prophecies in Bible. One refers to Jesus the other refers muhammad. Interestingly, this verse in Deuteronomy refers to Prophet but majority Christians believe he's God or son of God etc.This means the prophecy was not him.



oh no, not this. This was mistake, wrong reference.


Yes, who else?. His message (Quran) to abide with us forever. Quran is still here. But where is "Gospel according to Jesus"?.

This is just a brief. This last passage you quoted is more than that. We can go on and on if you want. So, "may abuse with you forever" is message of Quran brought by prophet muhammad (S. A. W)

There are 12 tribes of Israel.Those tribes are the brothers or brethren.That scripture says from 'among your brethren'.Did Muhammed come from any of those tribes?

Islam says he was a prophet,why then will that scripture not refer to Jesus?When Jesus was on the earth,the people called him a prophet and he affirmed he was.And they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us,” Luke 7:16
In John 4:19 the scripture says “The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet,” (she was talking to Jesus).He was a Prophet and more.
The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.(vs 25 and 26).Jesus was a prophet but more than a prophet.He was also the Messiah.

That scripture didn't say 'the message will abide with you forever',it said he will abide with you forever so it was about a person not message.

thorpido:
There are 12 tribes of Israel.Those tribes are the brothers or brethren.That scripture says from 'among your brethren'.Did Muhammed come from any of those tribes?

okay now seems you want to enter lecture room now. These 12 tribes you mentioned are still Israelites. I am actually happy you mentioned 12 tribes because it is gonna be useful in the future discourse. So Ismail (Ishmael) and Isiak (Isaac) are brothers. Hence Arabs and Jews are brothers. The verse was communicating to the Jews altogether and telling them of a prophet to emerge from their brethren (Arabs).

Islam says he was a prophet,why then will that scripture not refer to Jesus?When Jesus was on the earth,the people called him a prophet and he affirmed he was.And they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us,” Luke 7:16
In John 4:19 the scripture says “The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet,” (she was talking to Jesus).He was a Prophet and more.
The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.(vs 25 and 26).Jesus was a prophet but more than a prophet.He was also the Messiah.

it is not a problem for Muslims but for you Christians because you have elevated Jesus beyond his status. Many Christians believe Jesus is God/son of God respectively unless you want to deviate from your doctrines?.

That scripture didn't say 'the message will abide with you forever',it said he will abide with you forever so it was about a person not message.

okay fine. If it is 'he', who is he?. Jesus is not here if that's him you are referring to. He's gone. Also if you are referring to holy spirit, holy spirit is not a man and can't be seen. In the Bible passage in question, he's to abide with people forever. This means if he is not Jesus it can't be his message either because you don't have gospel according to Jesus. Only QUR'AN is valid Divine Book present today till the End of time

Empiree:
okay now seems you want to enter lecture room now. These 12 tribes you mentioned are still Israelites. I am actually happy you mentioned 12 tribes because it is gonna be useful in the future discourse. So Ismail (Ishmael) and Isiak (Isaac) are brothers. Hence Arabs and Jews are brothers.The verse was communicating to the Jews altogether and telling them of5f a prophet to emerge from their brethren (Arabs).

Ismael and Isaac are children of Abraham.However,when Moses was speaking in that scripture,he was addressing the children of Israel.He was specifically speaking to Jews.....he said 'from among your brothers.He was speaking about brothers from offsprings of Jacob who became Israel.That scripture was clear enough and can never be manipulated to address Arabs.Arabs were not in attendance when Moses spoke.I know Islam has tried to weave this but it can't work.

it is not a problem for Muslims but for you Christians because you have elevated Jesus beyond his status. Many Christians believe Jesus is God/son of God respectively United your want to deviate from your doctrines?.

Man didn't elevate Jesus.God did.
He is Prophet, Messiah,The Word of God.He fits all the roles.

okay fine. If it is 'he', who is he?. Jesus is not here if that's him you are referring to. He's gone. Also if you are referring to holy spirit, holy spirit is not a man and can't be seen. In the Bible passage in question, he's to abide with people forever. This means if he is not Jesus it can't be his message either because your don't have gospel according to Jesus. Only QUR'AN is valid Divine Book present today till the End of time

Holy Spirit is not a man and can't be seen.God Almighty is not a man and can't be seen.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God just as you have your spirit that is the Spirit of man.God abides forever.His Spirit abides forever and dwells with man.

thorpido:

[/b] Ismael and Isaac are children of Abraham.However,when Moses was speaking in that scripture,he was addressing the children of Israel.He was specifically speaking to Jews.....he said 'from among your brothers.He was speaking about brothers from offsprings of Jacob who became Israel.That scripture was clear enough and can never be manipulated to address Arabs.Arabs were not in attendance when Moses spoke.I know Islam has tried to weave this but it can't work.

describe to us how Jesus is like Moses according to Deuteronomy 18:18?. "Prophet like thee"

Man didn't elevate Jesus.God did.
He is Prophet, Messiah,The Word of God.He fits all the roles.

So those Christians who believe Jesus is God and son God are wrong, correct?

Holy Spirit is not a man and can't be seen.God Almighty is not a man and can't be seen.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God just as you have your spirit that is the Spirit of man.God abides forever.His Spirit abides forever and dwells with man.

now you are talking. But how does this spirit here relate with the verse?. Every human being has two angels around them that record their deeds. This is not what John 14:16 is saying at all. This passage is speaking about individual. This John 14:16 is interpreted by some christians to be angel Gabriel. Do you agree with this and how?

Empiree:
describe to is how Jesus is like Moses according to Deuteronomy 18:18?. "Prophet like thee"[/b]Like I said,Jesus was a Prophet and more.He was also a Messiah and the Word of God.He occupied the office of a prophet but possessed more than a prophet.

So those Christians who believe Jesus is God and son God are wrong, correct?

Jesus is the Word of God,the Word of God is the Spirit of God The Spirit of God is God.



Holy Spirit is not a man and can't be seen.God Almighty is not a man and can't be seen.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God just as you have your spirit that is the Spirit of man.God abides forever.His Spirit abides forever and dwells with man. now you are talking. But how does this spirit here relate with the verse?.Every human being has two angels around then that record their deeds. This is not what John 14:16 is saying at all. This passage is speaking about individual. This John 14:16 is interpreted by some christians to be angel Gabriel. Do you agree with this and how?

Angel Gabriel does not abide with people forever.He stands in God's presence and is sent from time to time on errands but never abides with anyone forever so that can't be Angel Gabriel.

thorpido:
Angel Gabriel does not abide with people forever.He stands in God's presence and is sent from time to time on errands but never abides with anyone forever so that can't be Angel Gabriel.

interesting. You sure you are Christian?. Many Christians would disagree with most things you have said. You guys have great doctrinal differences.

So clearly i can deduce from your posts so far that Jesus is not the comforter, angel Gabriel is not the comforter, Angels on our sides are not the comforters.

Question is who is the comforter/paraclete/helper/Advocate/Counselor/Redeemer mentioned in John 14:16?. It could not be any other than prophet Muhammad (S.A.W).


Quran confirmed this 61:6


"(Remember) when ‘Īsā, son of Maryam, said, “O children of Isrā’īl, I am a messenger of Allah sent to you, confirming the Torah that is (sent down) before me, and giving you the good news of a messenger who will come after me, whose name will be AHmad.” But when he came to them with manifest signs, they said, “This is a clear magic.”


Underlined means Prophet Muhammad.

Empiree:
interesting. You sure you are Christian?. Many Christians would disagree with most things you have said. You guys have great doctrinal differences.

Who are the Christians that disagree?You sure they are Christians?The Bible is the standard,the understanding differs.

So clearly i can deduce from your posts so far that Jesus is not the comforter, angel Gabriel is not the comforter, Angels on our sides are not the comforters.

Question is who is the comforter/paraclete/helper/Advocate/Counselor/Redeemer mentioned in John 14:16?. It could not be any other than prophet Muhammad (S.A.W).


Quran confirmed this 61:6


"(Remember) when ‘Īsā, son of Maryam, said, “O children of Isrā’īl, I am a messenger of Allah sent to you, confirming the Torah that is (sent down) before me, and giving you the good news of a messenger who will come after me, whose name will be AHmad.” But when he came to them with manifest signs, they said, “This is a clear magic.”


Underlined means Prophet Muhammad.

John 14:16 says And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Again,did Muhammed abide forever?
Verse 17 gives you a clearer picture.It says, Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Was Muhammed a spirit?Was he invisible?Again it says 'shall be in you'.Can Muhammed physically dwell inside another being?
You Muslims see these words but you just must twist it to fit your desires.