masseratti:
[s]it's not ego tripping nor seniority Lagos palace will never deny its bini connection, it's well documented, nor itsekiri and onitsha too.. It's well documented, the Portuguese documented for bini kingdom.. Likewise the English, doesn't matter if you have not learned about it before we learn everyday, do your research.

The guy who wrote this thread quote books that were written in 18th 19th century for you.. You can read them.[/s]

masseratti:
[s]Oga free me Abeg.. Go to your palace and ask.. Av a good day[/s].

ChukwukaKazaore:


This is by all standard the best account so far. No sentiment

samuk:


Few undisputed facts for you.

1. The Portuguese arrived Benin City in the 1400s, other Europeans followed. Between 1400s to late 1800s, the history of Benin was extensively documented by several Europeans and by 1600s the Catholic church established a post in Benin city with resident priests that continue to document Benin history.

2. From 1400s to 1800, Benin was not once documented by various Europeans to have had any relationship with Ife.

3. Between 1400s to 1800, Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were never mentioned in Benin history.

4. 1826 was the year the hinterland of Yoruba was first visited by the British, 400 years after the Europeans first visited Benin City. The Alaafin that was visited in 1826 told the British that he was waiting and relying on the Oba of Benin for military assistance to help with the war he was fighting with his neighbours.

4. In 1826 the Alaafin told the British that the Oba of Benin was his friend not his brother.

5. In 1826 Ife was not even mentioned to the British.

6. Ife only came into prominence after 1826 when it was recognised as a spiritual home to the Yoruba. Ife was where most people went to consult the Oracle and the Ooni was nothing but a priest.

7. Benin had no connections with Ife before 1826. No one can present any reference were Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were mentioned in Benin history in the 400 years before 1826.

8. Everything written after 1826 and referenced by the author are mostly fabrications upon fabrications by various writers. None of the 19th and 20th centuries references referenced by the author is supported by the Benin history that were documented by Europeans in the previous 400 years.

9. Benin/Ife connection is a modern day political fabrication and fairytale that can't be found in Benin history earlier than 1826.

10. Benin/Ife connection was fabricated after the fall of Benin kingdom/empire in 1897.

11. Organe Kingdom mentioned in Benin history in the 1400s was described as a distance of 20 moons/months from Benin and it was east of Benin. This was not Ife because Ife is west of Benin and not east as described, the distance from Benin to Ife was less than 20 months. Ife was not mentioned but Organe.

12. The author can only deceive the less informed about Benin history.

13. Benin documented history is 400 years older than Ife history that started after 1826.

14. It's funny when those that are not just your junior but 400 years your junior begin to claim seniority, this can only happen in Nigeria.

15. No matter how many times a lie is told by many people, it can never become truth. Benin history from 1400s to 1800s, a period of 400 years is very well established and doesn't support modern day Benin/Ife fairytale.

Olu317:
Liar

samuk:

Benin history was written down by various Europeans explorers, traders, priests, etc, that were eyewitnesses to it from the 1400s to 1897. It's can't be fabricated. No one can play politics with Benin history because it's cast in stone. The Benin know the difference between our real history and the created political history which Yoruba like to propagate as gospel truth.

People like us are not interested in the fairytales that started after 1897.

Unfortunately for you guys, Benin history is archived in the various European countries that encountered Benin including the Catholic church, all your lies will remain lies that can't be backed up earlier than the 1800s. In the future any serious historian and researcher can access these materials from European archives.

Most of what have been written since the 1800s have no semblance to what was written down by those that actually witnessed Benin history being made between 1400s to 1897.

Olu317:
All the times you see the truth, you keep propagating false information which can never stand the test of time.

The issue you keep raising up has been dealt with several times. Read more from the following writers :

Esmeraldo de Situ Orbis, the well-known Portuguese explorer Duarte Pacheco Pereira 's travel account

Henry Drewal and John Pemberton III with Rowland Abiodun

John Affons d’ Aveiro's account when hen he visited Benin in 1486

J.D. Barros, Da Asia (Lisbon, 1552)

A.F.C. Ryder, Benin and the Europeans. (London: Longman, 1969)

R.E. Bradbury, Benin Studies (ed.) Peter Morton Williams (Oxford University Press, 1973)

Michael Ediagbonya; INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF HUMANITIES AND CULTURAL STUDIES : (A study of the Portuguese-Benin Trade Relations: Ughoton as a Benin Port(1485 -1506)

samuk:


Could you show us from your 1485 to 1506 citations where Benin was said to have had any relationship with Ife. Let me even make it easier for you, show us any citations or references from 1400 to 1800, a period of 400 years that says Benin had relationship with Ife.

2. Show us where Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were mentioned in Benin history in the 400 years before 1826.

You don't come here to throw around references without any specifics, pretending to know what your are saying, we have gone beyond that.

If you are saying Benin had any relationship with Ife between 1400 to 1826, you have to point it out in your citations and references.

Benin history was written down. You guys have been mutilating it to your advantage since you knew how to read and write.

I can bet you that none of your pre 1826 references even mentioned Ife specifically by name. If you say I am lying show us.

What you guys have been doing is pick a story/place from Benin history books and claim it as Ife not minding that the name, distance and direction of the place mentioned have no semblance to Ife.

The relationship Benin had with western Nigeria before 1826, was with eastern Yoruba, Ekiti, Owo, Akure and others such as Oyo and Lagos. Infact Benin already annexed and had a military garrison in Lagos that reported back daily to the Oba of Benin as early as 1602.

I repeat nothing in either Benin or Yoruba history books before 1826 mentioned Benin in connection with Ife.

Benin/Ife connection is a political history written in the late 1890s. This is why the relationship can't be proven earlier that the 1800s. Others like yourself have tried to prove it and failed woefully in the past, maybe you can have a stab at it and prove me wrong.

Others like yourself usually retorts to insults after failed attempts before running away from the thread, hope you will be different, please bring forth the evidence of Benin/Ife relationship before 1826.

I pity you, only if you know the beating TAO11 has received on this same subject in the past one year

samuk:
[s]Could you show us from your 1485 to 1506 citations where Benin was said to have had any relationship with Ife. Let me even make it easier for you, show us any citations or references from 1400 to 1800, a period of 400 years that says Benin had relationship with Ife.

2. Show us where Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were mentioned in Benin history in the 400 years before 1826.

You don't come here to throw around references without any specifics, pretending to know what your are saying, we have gone beyond that.

If you are saying Benin had any relationship with Ife between 1400 to 1826, you have to point it out in your citations and references.

Benin history was written down. You guys have been mutilating it to your advantage since you knew how to read and write.

I can bet you that none of your pre 1826 references even mentioned Ife specifically by name. If you say I am lying show us.

What you guys have been doing is pick a story/place from Benin history books and claim it as Ife not minding that the name, distance and direction of the place mentioned have no semblance to Ife.

The relationship Benin had with western Nigeria before 1826, was with eastern Yoruba, Ekiti, Owo, Akure and others such as Oyo and Lagos. Infact Benin already annexed and had a military garrison in Lagos that reported back daily to the Oba of Benin as early as 1602.

I repeat nothing in either Benin or Yoruba history books before 1826 mentioned Benin in connection with Ife.

Benin/Ife connection is a political history written in the late 1890s. This is why the relationship can't be proven earlier that the 1800s. Others like yourself have tried to prove it and failed woefully in the past, maybe you can have a stab at it and prove me wrong.

Others like yourself usually retorts to insults after failed attempts before running away from the thread, hope you will be different, please bring forth the evidence of Benin/Ife relationship before 1826.

I pity you, only if you know the beating TAO11 has received on this same subject in the past one year [/s]

TAO11:
(1) This one sha like to use small mouth to collect big slap from me always. Until I kill you patapa abi?

(2) Can you please post at least one of the links where you made me receive “bEaTiNg” as claimed.

Please post it here and disgrace me (obviously yourself) for all to see.

(3) Point out at least one of your comments on this thread here which I have not disgraced you on before now.

Point out such point/comment of yours here, and let me reply you with the link to where I had debunked and disgraced you in the past.

You are a public disgrace.

Cheers to you!

Cc: rhektor

rhektor:


Bini morons on this platform won't stop being what they are

TAO11:
Nairaland Binis, aka morons.

Olu317:
I'm not interested in your egocentrism, so never mind. Enjoy your Bini fanatasy....

samuk:
[s]The insults were predicted and expected, you guys never fail to confirm what you are. Benin no longer debate fairytales. Whenever you have anything substantial, bring it to the table.[/s]

TAO11:
You must think everyone else is partially amnesiac just like you are.

You saw the iNsULtS but not where you & your whole comment were challenged & dragged as shown in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6567039/bini-ife-seniority-crises-science-rescue/1#102646159

samuk:
[s]I am not interested in your insults, if you have anything new bring it to the table, not the usual unsubstantiated myths and fairytales of how the tortoise used to speak the Igbo and Yoruba languages or how Oduduwa climbed down from the sky with a golden chain.Cheers [/s]