Egba - Ogun and Lagos states - Egba lo lede

Oyo/Ibolo - Oyo, Osun, Kwara states and Benin Republic - Oyo a yo 'mole. Lol!

Olukunmi - Delta state

Okun - Kogi

Ikale - Ondo state

Ilaje - Ondo state

Yewa - Ogun state

Igbomina - Osun, Ekiti and Kwara states - Owo ni e je.

Awori - Lagos and Ogun states - Kitigbe, ogbere o.

Owo - Ondo state

Ondo - Ondo state - Ondo Egi, onila meji

Ijesha - Osun and Ekiti states - Oso ma a lo ti nfi gbowo mi; Ijesa osere Omo onile obi......

Itshekiri - Delta state

Akoko - Edo and Ondo states

Ijebu - Lagos and Ogun states - Ijebu nmu garri, won lahun gan o. Lol!

Ekiti - Ekiti and Kwara states - Ekiti kete.

Owu - Ogun, Osun and Kwara states - Owu aji fi egbe sere; Owu lakoda - First born

Ilorin - Kwara state - Ilorin Afonja Enu dun juyo - Alaafin Aole curse needs to be removed fast

Iseyin - Oyo state - Iseyin Oro Omo ebedi moko

Ibariba - Kwara state and Benin Republic.

If you're not mentioned, please indicate.

InDSkirt?

Elliotwaveforec:
Egba - Ogun and Lagos states - Egba lo lede

Oyo/Ibolo - Oyo, Osun, Kwara states and Benin Republic - Oyo a yo 'mole. Lol!

Olukunmi - Delta state

Okun - Kogi

Ikale - Ondo state

Ilaje - Ondo state

Yewa - Ogun state

Igbomina - Osun, Ekiti and Kwara states - Owo ni e je.

Awori - Lagos and Ogun states - Kitigbe, ogbere o.

Owo - Ondo state

Ondo - Ondo state - Ondo Egi, onila meji

Ijesha - Osun and Ekiti states - Oso ma a lo ti nfi gbowo mi; Ijesa osere Omo onile obi......

Itshekiri - Delta state

Akoko - Edo and Ondo states

Ijebu - Lagos and Ogun states - Ijebu nmu garri, won lahun gan o. Lol!

Ekiti - Ekiti and Kwara states - Ekiti kete.

Owu - Ogun, Osun and Kwara states - Owu aji fi egbe sere; Owu lakoda - First born

Ilorin - Kwara state - Ilorin Afonja Enu dun juyo - Alaafin Aole curse needs to be removed fast

Iseyin - Oyo state - Iseyin Oro Omo ebedi moko

Ibariba - Kwara state and Benin Republic.

If you're not mentioned, please indicate.

Ibariba/Bariba is not a Yoruba subgroup.

Unless you meant the Ibarapas.

Ilajes are in Ondo, Ogun, Delta and Lagos

There are no Ijeshas in Ekiti state

Ekitis are in Ondo, Ekiti, Kwara

Itsekiris are in Delta and Edo

Iseyin is not a Yoruba group.. They are Onko

Okun is a sociopolitical nomenclature similar to Anioma. Okun is not a Yoruba ethnic group- What we have are the Yagba, Owe, Ibunu-Ikiri, Oworo, Ijumu and Gbede.... The word 'Okun' itself is derived frm a common greeting among all central and northeastern Yoruba groups including Ekitis, Akokos Etc.

Owos and Ikales are in ondo and Edo

There are no Igbominas in Ekiti, they are in Kwara and Osun.

You didn’t mention Ifes

You didn’t list groups outside Nigeria

scholes0:
There are no Ijeshas in Ekiti state

What about Efon Alaaye people? They are said to be of ijesha stock.

Cc: seunmsg - I know you are from Ekiti. Can you contribute to this subject matter?

scholes0:
Ilajes are in Ondo, Ogun, Delta and Lagos

There are no Ijeshas in Ekiti state

Ekitis are in Ondo, Ekiti, Kwara

Itsekiris are in Delta and Edo

Iseyin is not a Yoruba group.. They are Onko

Okun is a sociopolitical nomenclature similar to Anioma. Okun is not a Yoruba ethnic group- What we have are the Yagba, Owe, Ibunu-Ikiri, Oworo, Ijumu and Gbede.

Owos and Ikales are in ondo and Edo

There are no Igbominas in Ekiti, they are in Kwara and Osun.

You didn’t mention Ifes

You didn’t mention Oyos

You didn’t list groups outside Nigeria

The part in bold is not entirely true. Okemesi-Ekiti and Efon Alaye are Ijesha speaking towns in Ekiti.

Otun Ekiti is also an Igbomina town in Ekiti.

seunmsg:


The part in bold is not entirely true. Okemesi-Ekiti and Efon Alaye are Ijesha speaking towns in Ekiti.

Otun Ekiti is also an Igbomina town in Ekiti.

Otun is not Igbomina, besides, the Owoore of Otun is even one of the highest ranking Ekiti Kings historically speaking.
Efon is also not Ijesha… Infact, the original archaic/old name for all Ekitis in colonial literature is ‘Effon’

I know that bordering areas of Ekiti to other groups might show some elements of dialaectal mixing, but it isn’t enough to classify them as Non Ekitis. The Ekiti Kwara groups show even more Igbonna influence and yet they are still Ekiti. The OP even acknowledged it… how then will Otun that is further south and in Ekiti state suddenly become full fledged Igbominas?

The Ekitis and the Oyos are the only Yoruba groups than span 3 states. Plus Ilaje if we count Lagos.

Elliotwaveforec:
Egba - Ogun and Lagos states - Egba lo lede

Oyo/Ibolo - Oyo, Osun, Kwara states and Benin Republic - Oyo a yo 'mole. Lol!

Olukunmi - Delta state

Okun - Kogi

Ikale - Ondo state

Ilaje - Ondo state

Yewa - Ogun state

Igbomina - Osun, Ekiti and Kwara states - Owo ni e je.

Awori - Lagos and Ogun states - Kitigbe, ogbere o.

Owo - Ondo state

Ondo - Ondo state - Ondo Egi, onila meji

Ijesha - Osun and Ekiti states - Oso ma a lo ti nfi gbowo mi; Ijesa osere Omo onile obi......

Itshekiri - Delta state

Akoko - Edo and Ondo states

Ijebu - Lagos and Ogun states - Ijebu nmu garri, won lahun gan o. Lol!

Ekiti - Ekiti and Kwara states - Ekiti kete.

Owu - Ogun, Osun and Kwara states - Owu aji fi egbe sere; Owu lakoda - First born

Ilorin - Kwara state - Ilorin Afonja Enu dun juyo - Alaafin Aole curse needs to be removed fast

Iseyin - Oyo state - Iseyin Oro Omo ebedi moko

Ibariba - Kwara state and Benin Republic.

If you're not mentioned, please indicate.

The Ibariba (or Batonu) are U.S.-based Prof. Farooq Kperogi's ethnic group.

Baribas share direct boundaries in
Kwara (just like the Nupes) with Yorubaland and are indigenous
to Kwara and Benin Republic
where they also share boundaries.
with the Yorubas of Benin Rep.


Aworis are also in Benin Rep,
Lagos State (17 LGAs out of 20 LGAs), and Ogun State.

scholes0:


Otun is not Igbomina, besides, the Owoore of Otun is even one of the highest ranking Ekiti Kings historically speaking.
Efon is also not Ijesha… Infact, the original archaic/old name for all Ekitis in colonial literature is ‘Effon’

I know that bordering areas of Ekiti to other groups might show some elements of dialaectal mixing, but it isn’t enough to classify them as Non Ekitis. The Ekiti Kwara groups show even more Igbonna influence and yet they are still Ekiti. The OP even acknowledged it… how then will Otun that is further south and in Ekiti state suddenly become full fledged Igbominas?

The Ekitis and the Oyos are the only Yoruba groups than span 3 states. Plus Ilaje if we count Lagos.

The Owus are in three states; Ogun, Osun, Kwara

@scholes0
I'm learning something new
here on Yoruba history.

Are you saying that the Iseyin people in Oyo State are not Yoruba?

Bishop Ajayi Crowther is originally from Osogun in Iseyin. What is Onko and where do they originally come from?

Thanks.

seunmsg:


The part in bold is not entirely true. Okemesi-Ekiti and Efon Alaye are Ijesha speaking towns in Ekiti.

Otun Ekiti is also an Igbomina town in Ekiti.

Deep insights... I visited the awesome, breathtaking and very hilly Efon Alaye and some other towns in Ekiti-West in the early 1980s for the first time ever from Lagos to Akure, Ado-Ekiti, Erio-Ekiti, Aramoko-Ekiti, etc!

Okemesi in Ekiti State and Imesi-Ile an Ijesa-speaking town in Osun
State both share direct boundaries in the beautiful and hilly area.

Ekitis and Ijesas combined military forces during the Ekiti Parapo Wars in the late 1800s [to repel the Ibadan army] under the Ijesha
General (Balogun) Ogedengbe Agbogunboro.


I once read within the last 10 years a Punch article on Aisegba-Ekiti folks who said they originally
came from Egbaland or were Egba-Yorubas. Aisegba means
"we are not Egbas"

So what you posted about
Otun-Ekiti being originally of
Igbomina stock may well be true just like the Aisegba-Ekiti who said they came from Egba originally.

Very interesting thread.

wealthtrak:
@scholes0
I'm learning something new
here on Yoruba history.

Are you saying that the Iseyin people in Oyo State are not Yoruba?

Bishop Ajayi Crowther is originally from Osogun in Iseyin. What is Onko and where do they originally come from?

Thanks.

Not saying that Iseyin is Not Yoruba. Infact, only very few places could be more Yoruba than Iseyin.
What I am saying is that iseyin is not the name of a Yoruba group. The town belongs to a Yoruba ethnic group called The Onko... or if you like 'Oke-ogun'.... which more people may recognize from this present generation... other places within that nomenclature include; Okeho, Ipapo, ilero, Ofiki, Ago aare, Ijio and more.

Elliotwaveforec:


The Owus are in three states; Ogun, Osun, Kwara

Well, that may be true if the owus in Kwara recognize themselves as Owus as of now. Note that we are talking about how they self identify now and not the history of where they migrated from... Because as far as I know the villages with the word 'owu' in their names in Kwara like (igbo owo, owu-isin) all self identify as Igbomina and not Owu, I might not be right..... I know Owu homestead was originally in the area of present southern Osun state before they were dispersed by war and may of them ended up among the Egbas.

scholes0:


I know Owu homestead was originally in the area of present southern Osun state before they were dispersed by war and may of them ended up among the Egbas.

Have you (or anyone here) read Dr Akinwumi Ogundiran's recent book on Yoruba history? It's called "The Yoruba: A New History". I suggest everyone with an interest in Yoruba history should try to read it. Of the three major syntheses of Yoruba history that have been attempted in this century, it is my favourite by far. Dr Ogundiran is an archaeologist and cultural historian currently lecturing in some American university.

According to him the original homestead of the Owu was actually far north in present-day Kwara State. The Owu (according to Ogundiran) were actually the first Yoruba group to acquire horses and deploy horses in warfare, before Oyo. By the mid-14th century, they had established an expansive state stretching from Saki to the Igbomina areas and south into Oyo and Ibarapa territories. (This may explain why there are places in Igbomina with Owu in their names. This Owu was also the state to which Oyo paid tribute in the days of Ajaka and Sango.)

This old Owu state (according to Ogundiran) was later destroyed by Nupe militarists or the combined forces of Oyo and her allies, and the survivors moved southwards and reconverged in the rainforest in the late 16th century and built the Owu Kingdom there which was destroyed in the 1820s.

scholes0:
Ilajes are in Ondo, Ogun, Delta and Lagos

There are no Ijeshas in Ekiti state

Ekitis are in Ondo, Ekiti, Kwara

Itsekiris are in Delta and Edo

Iseyin is not a Yoruba group.. They are Onko

Okun is a sociopolitical nomenclature similar to Anioma. Okun is not a Yoruba ethnic group- What we have are the Yagba, Owe, Ibunu-Ikiri, Oworo, Ijumu and Gbede.... The word 'Okun' itself is derived frm a common greeting among all central and northeastern Yoruba groups including Ekitis, Akokos Etc.

Owos and Ikales are in ondo and Edo

There are no Igbominas in Ekiti, they are in Kwara and Osun.

You didn’t mention Ifes

You didn’t list groups outside Nigeria

Ẹ̀fọ̀n-Aláayè and Imesi are arguably Ijesa.

And are you considering Akure as Ekiti?

scholes0:


Otun is not Igbomina, besides, the Owoore of Otun is even one of the highest ranking Ekiti Kings historically speaking.
Efon is also not Ijesha… Infact, the original archaic/old name for all Ekitis in colonial literature is ‘Effon’

I know that bordering areas of Ekiti to other groups might show some elements of dialaectal mixing, but it isn’t enough to classify them as Non Ekitis. The Ekiti Kwara groups show even more Igbonna influence and yet they are still Ekiti. The OP even acknowledged it… how then will Otun that is further south and in Ekiti state suddenly become full fledged Igbominas?

The Ekitis and the Oyos are the only Yoruba groups than span 3 states. Plus Ilaje if we count Lagos.

ah now I see where your point of view comes from

You are using the Kiriji war, or more accurately the Ekiti parapo.

But that is no different from your argument against the idea of an "Okun" subgroup. Different subgroups coming together.. Okun is even more valid in my opinion because it is based on shared cultural and linguistic features than basing the Ekiti subgroup solely on Ekiti Parapo that was only created in war times and has changed many times. Even Ilesa and Akure were once part of Ekiti Parapo

RedboneSmith:


Have you (or anyone here) read Dr Akinwumi Ogundiran's recent book on Yoruba history? It's called "The Yoruba: A New History". I suggest everyone with an interest in Yoruba history should try to read it. Of the three major syntheses of Yoruba history that have been attempted in this century, it is my favourite by far. Dr Ogundiran is an archaeologist and cultural historian currently lecturing in some American university.

According to him the original homestead of the Owu was actually far north in present-day Kwara State. The Owu (according to Ogundiran) were actually the first Yoruba group to acquire horses and deploy horses in warfare, before Oyo. By the mid-14th century, they had established an expansive state stretching from Saki to the Igbomina areas and south into Oyo and Ibarapa territories. (This may explain why there are places in Igbomina with Owu in their names. This Owu was also the state to which Oyo paid tribute in the days of Ajaka and Sango.)

This old Owu state (according to Ogundiran) was later destroyed by Nupe militarists or the combined forces of Oyo and her allies, and the survivors moved southwards and reconverged in the rainforest in the late 16th century and built the Owu Kingdom there which was destroyed in the 1820s.

I'm still reading this and haven't gotten to this part of the book but I'm familiar with this theory already.
The thing is that traditional interpretation always concludes that Owu homestead is not far from Ile-ife, it is even called Orile-Owu (Owu Homestead), and this is what most people go by. It is also from here that the Owu disaster happened, which is fresher in cultural memory than the greater Owu of the time of Ajaka and Sango

RedboneSmith:


Have you (or anyone here) read Dr Akinwumi Ogundiran's recent book on Yoruba history? It's called "The Yoruba: A New History". I suggest everyone with an interest in Yoruba history should try to read it. Of the three major syntheses of Yoruba history that have been attempted in this century, it is my favourite by far. Dr Ogundiran is an archaeologist and cultural historian currently lecturing in some American university.

According to him the original homestead of the Owu was actually far north in present-day Kwara State. The Owu (according to Ogundiran) were actually the first Yoruba group to acquire horses and deploy horses in warfare, before Oyo. By the mid-14th century, they had established an expansive state stretching from Saki to the Igbomina areas and south into Oyo and Ibarapa territories. (This may explain why there are places in Igbomina with Owu in their names. This Owu was also the state to which Oyo paid tribute in the days of Ajaka and Sango.)

This old Owu state (according to Ogundiran) was later destroyed by Nupe militarists or the combined forces of Oyo and her allies, and the survivors moved southwards and reconverged in the rainforest in the late 16th century and built the Owu Kingdom there which was destroyed in the 1820s.

@Redbonesmith
Thanks for this info.

Where can we get the book to
buy? Or is there a PDF version
of the book?

I'm an avid reader of global history and grew up reading collections
of encyclopedia in my family library decades back.

I like the fact that Dr. Akinwumi Ogundiran is an archaeologist.
This would enable him to give
near-absolute historical accounts
of events.

In Prof. Jide Osuntokun's 2004 article on the Ife-Benin relationship and origins in The Guardian, He
did emphasize that there were many autochtonous communities in Yorubaland and the rise of Oduduwa does not signify the
origins of Ife or the Yoruba people since oral history and archaeology show that Ife was already settled. The rise of Oduduwa only signifies a new dynasty, just like the
Oranmiyan/Eweka Dynasty of
the Binis.

Konquest:

@Redbonesmith
Thanks for this info.

Where can we get the book to
buy? Or is there a PDF version
of the book?

I'm an avid reader of global history and grew up reading collections
of encyclopedia in my family library decades back.

I like the fact that Dr. Akinwumi Ogundiran is an archaeologist.
This would enable him to give
near-absolute historical accounts
of events.

In Prof. Jide Osuntokun's 2004 article on the Ife-Benin relationship and origins in The Guardian, He
did emphasize that there were many autochtonous communities in Yorubaland and the rise of Oduduwa does not signify the
origins of Ife or the Yoruba people since oral history and archaeology show that Ife was already settled. The rise of Oduduwa only signifies a new dynasty, just like the
Oranmiyan/Iweka Dynasty of
the Binis.

I don't know if there is a free copy of the book online yet. I got mine on Amazon. I think it is already fairly well-known that before the pre-eminence of Ife, various Yoruba groups were already established in their areas.

Ogundiran mentions a few areas with fairly advanced state societies before Ife became eminent. There was the large Òba polity, which is thought to have made the Esie figures. There was the Idoko polity in the present Ijebu area, and two other polities Ogundiran referred to as Ulale and Ulesun in the present Ekiti and Owo areas respectively.

scholes0:


Not saying that Iseyin is Not Yoruba. Infact, only very few places could be more Yoruba than Iseyin.
What I am saying is that iseyin is not the name of a Yoruba group. The town belongs to a Yoruba ethnic group called The Onko... or if you like 'Oke-ogun'.... which more people may recognize from this present generation... other places within that nomenclature include; Okeho, Ipapo, ilero, Ofiki, Ago aare, Ijio and more.

@scholes0

Aha! Awesome.

Thanks for the feedback.
For once I thought the Onko
are another ethnicity not
realising that it refers to
Oke-Ogun people.

To be honest, there's a lot
more to learn about the
Yoruba people.


All the best.

Konquest:

@Redbonesmith
Thanks for this info.

Where can we get the book to
buy? Or is there a PDF version
of the book?

I'm an avid reader of global history and grew up reading collections
of encyclopedia in my family library decades back.

I like the fact that Dr. Akinwumi Ogundiran is an archaeologist.
This would enable him to give
near-absolute historical accounts
of events.

In Prof. Jide Osuntokun's 2004 article on the Ife-Benin relationship and origins in The Guardian, He
did emphasize that there were many autochtonous communities in Yorubaland and the rise of Oduduwa does not signify the
origins of Ife or the Yoruba people since oral history and archaeology show that Ife was already settled. The rise of Oduduwa only signifies a new dynasty, just like the
Oranmiyan/Iweka Dynasty of
the Binis.

Do you still have a link to Prof. Jide Osuntokun’s article?

seunmsg:


Do you still have a link to Prof. Jide Osuntokun’s article?

@Seunmsg
I scanned the article and
stored it in my
Google Drive and then shared
it with 2
NL members via email 3
years ago. If I locate it
then I'll upload it here.


Second, you can just type right
now the Okemesi-Ekiti-born
Prof. Jide Osuntokun's article
title in a search engine.

The rough article title is
below:


"The Ile-Ife and Benin Relationship" 2004 Guardian article by Prof. Jide Osuntokun

Ciao.

RedboneSmith:



I don't know if there is a free copy of the book online yet. I got mine on Amazon. I think it is already fairly well-known that before the pre-eminence of Ife, various Yoruba groups were already established in their areas.

Ogundiran mentions a few areas with fairly advanced state societies before Ife became eminent. There was the large Òba polity, which is thought to have made the Esie figures. There was the Idoko polity in the present Ijebu area, and two other polities Ogundiran referred to as Ulale and Ulesun in the present Ekiti and Owo areas respectively.

@RedboneSmith
Word!

Thanks for the feedback and
also giving the specifics/emphasis on the autochtonous communities
that existed centuries back in Yorubaland pre-Oduduwa Dynasty.

There's a latest device called the "ground-penetrating radar" that is used by archaelogists for scanning beneath the ground for buried objects or human remains from
centuries back. This great device will revolutionize archaeology in Yorubaland and even Africa as a whole.


All the best.


P.S. Your name "Redbone" Smith sounds like that of a pre-1900 Native-American warrior chief name.

Sitting Bull and Standing Bull
were some of the iconic Native-American chiefs in the 1800s
that resisted white domination.