Havertz10:
I don't criticize everything he does, he isnt good enough for a club like Chelsea

This mindset of always assuming that you are right and others are wrong is funny, una go dey drag me but how many L's have most of you collected going against me?

Airfart in particular has repeatedly collected L on this thread in shameful manners I might add but he still has the nerve to claim that he is a reasonable person that people should take seriously he is an online equivalent of those semi literate that argue at newspaper stands

He is such a loser that whenever I see him arguing with anyone, I automatically know that he is wrong

Once you give them L they start keeping grudges

Odunharry:

Wonder why people keep underrating Iniesta..

I personally think that ibime in particular is just being sentimental, that clutch goal that iniesta scored against chelsea pained many Chelsea fans

Watching the highlight of that game self pains me and I didn't experience live


Iniesta was an amazingly talented footballer and anybody that thinks otherwise shouldn't be taken seriously

Trevor012:

Nothing new. When foolish people are exposed they look for alternate means to hide

Look what I'm doing for humanity.

Going as far back as December to quote my post shows how much time you have on your silly hands.

So much vigour and relentlessness put into stupidity

Havertz10:
I personally think that ibime in particular is just being sentimental, that clutch goal that iniesta scored against chelsea pained many Chelsea fans

Watching the highlight of that game self pains me and I didn't experience live


Iniesta was an amazingly talented footballer and anybody that thinks otherwise shouldn't be taken seriously

There's a year Ibime posted Iniesta was the best midfielder in the world..

Raumdeuter posted the screenshot i think.
Both Iniesta and Xavi are very good players. Though never seen a midfielder dominated play like Xavi did at Euros 08.

LostMyZeal:


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Look what I'm doing for humanity.

Going as far back as December to quote my post shows how much time you have on your silly hands.

So much vigour and relentlessness put into stupidity [/s]

I don't have your time today so I will let you live

Double post.

Trevor012:

I don't have your time today so I will let you live

Eh ehhn...but you have time for my posts

delusional retarrrd

VINCE:
Rudiger wants more than what Hudson-Odoi is earning. I don't blame him. We had this argument then, that it's counter-productive to give young players big wages, some people talked about amortization but big players don't care, they want their own damn money too.

The last thing we need is City signing Kane and we fail to sign Haaland and end up buying a second-grade striker like we did when United took Lukaku away from our hands. No more second grades even if it means buying only a player in a window. Buy quality not quantity.

Rudiger saying he's 100% committed to Chelsea isn't a problem. He should extend or leave this summer. I don't see Marina allowing him to run down his contract and leave as a free agent next summer.

Kane's mistake was signing that long-term contract. He should've known better. Son is about to sign another one, tomorrow he will start complaining.

Man city going to sign Kane, and these ones are arguing nonsense

Havertz10:
I personally think that ibime in particular is just being sentimental, that clutch goal that iniesta scored against chelsea pained many Chelsea fans

Stats aren't sentimental. Sentiment is buying into commentators narrative that Xavi and Iniesta are running the midfield, then when you check the passing stats, it's only Xavi. I also fell for that narrative until I looked deeper into it and watched games in detail to see what's happening in the midfield.

Sentiment is continuing to hold on to that false narrative after Xavi retired and Iniesta could not run midfield with others, yet still holding onto that sentiment. Meanwhile Xavi ran midfield with many others for Spain while Iniesta played on the left wing.

Sentiment is awarding Iniesta Player of the Tournament in a tournament where he had zero goals and zero assists.

Sentiment is calling an AM with the output of Kovacic and less than the output of Willian the best of his generation.

I am very factual about my analysis of that Barca and Spain midfield and what I see is a midfield controller extraordinaire in Xavi, with an activity former doing attaché to his greatness.

Iniesta is simply the luckiest player of all time, protected on all sides by midfielder controllers and goalscorers who took him to trophies. If he played for your club as an AM, you will call for him to be sent on loan with that pitiful output.

BlueAngel444:
Man city going to sign Kane, and these ones are arguing nonsense

What should they do

By the time Dortmund call 180m for Haaland una eyes go clear

monerozi5590:




You are just hyping Alonso. Busquets is calm and better on the ball than Alonso. Alonso fumble under pressure. He is not press resistant. I am saying this as a Madird fan who watched Alonso weekdays and weekends during his playing days.


Even in the Spanish National Team, Alonso was always substituted but Busquets is untouchable. Alonso is good at long range passes through.

You definitely watched Alonso play for your club and your summary is similar to mine that had Xabi play for my club

Hensben doesnt know anything so its futile wasting your time on him

airmark:


They don come again.

Yes na, If krychowiak come that midfield he for pursue am go retirement not even CB sef like the others

Kilishihunter:

Yes na, If krychowiak come that midfield he for pursue am go retirement not even CB sef like the others

Busquets, the only Barca player that spent just a year at his prime.

Ibime:


By the way, I was referring to World Cup 2014 and 2018 and Euro 2016

You can check and tell me Iniestas performance there outside of Xavis system.

Anything to do with Barca in 2015, direct your questions to MSN.

Was Xavi not part of this World cup 2014 fiasco?

Airmark, food is ready.

I have this analogy about centre backs - House niggas and Field niggas

House niggas organise the defence while you send Field niggas to man mark. Anything outside of that they become confused.

Gary Neville is saying Rudiger is a Field nigga

raumdeuter:


Was Xavi not part of this World cup 2014 fiasco?

Xavi was finished in 2014. His Achilles problems were well known and he wasn't training regularly. Time for Iniesta to step up and run the midfield with a suboptimal Xavi and in subsequent tournaments without Xavi, we saw he couldn't.

This our Chelsea thread eeh....
Landmines everywhere

raumdeuter:


You definitely watched Alonso play for your club and your summary is similar to mine that had Xabi play for my club

Hensben doesnt know anything so its futile wasting your time on him

Busquets' supposed press resistance is largely due to his "Make-e-no-spoil-for-my-hand" style...

To dey compare am with the "Visionary" Alonso is somehow tbh

Ibime:


Xavi was finished in 2014. His Achilles problems were well known and he wasn't training regularly. Time for Iniesta to step up with a suboptimal Xavi and in subsequent tournaments, we saw he couldn't.

the whole team was poor so to single out iniesta is wrong. Football goes in cycles anyway, that spanish team had won virtually everything at that point so it was only natural the only way was down considering the age of the team as well. No team rules for ever. All in all iniesta was a superb player, truely held in high regard by the spanish fans & neutrals, hell he gets standing ovations at all the la liga grounds he attends. Not many players have held that kind of regard. Nothing anyone says here or agenda can diminish his lengendary status

raumdeuter:


You definitely watched Alonso play for your club and your summary is similar to mine that had Xabi play for my club

Hensben doesnt know anything so its futile wasting your time on him

Mr Alonso is not DM can you show me Alonso and bousq defensive stats since you don’t fancy eye test.

Ibime:
Airmark, food is ready.

I have this analogy about centre backs - House niggas and Field niggas

House niggas organise the defence while you send Field niggas to man mark. Anything outside of that they become confused.

Gary Neville is saying Rudiger is a Field nigga

I stated here before that what Rudiger needed was a leader. Depending on him to organise and lead the defence is like handing Sunday church service to Shekau.

Only those who understand football well would reason along.

airmark:


Imagine those scummies and mumu Arsenal are interested in Koulibaly.

Rudiger needs a leader to play with in that defence. He is susceptible to errors.

kendrick93:
the whole team was poor so to single out iniesta is wrong. Football goes in cycles anyway, that spanish team had won virtually everything at that point so it was only natural the only way was down considering the age of the team as well. No team rules for ever. All in all iniesta was a superb player, truely held in high regard by the spanish fans & neutrals, hell he gets standing ovations at all the la liga grounds he attends. Not many players have held that kind of regard. Nothing anyone says here or agenda can diminish his lengendary status

Don't mind Ibime. I'm sure if it was Xavi that scored that 2009 match against Chelsea, he would have be the worst midfielder in Barca's history according to Ibime.

We will soon open Lampard's fraudulent account.

Debroslink:


Don't mind Ibime. I'm sure if it was Xavi that scored that 2009 match against Chelsea, he would have be the worst midfielder in Barca's history according to Ibime.

We will soon open Lampard's fraudulent account.

When opening Lampard's account, don't forget to carry a Barca midfielder with better output than him along

thorrvik55:


When opening Lampard's account, don't forget to carry a Barca midfielder with better output than him along

They are plenty, especially when we talk about how he led his NT to the beach while others teams were playing Euro 2008

Debroslink:


They are plenty, especially when we talk about how he led his NT to the beach while others teams were playing Euro 2008

thorrvik55:


When opening Lampard's account, don't forget to carry a Barca midfielder with better output than him along

This thread na Nairaland viewing center


Omo.

adisaaowala:


Busquets' supposed press resistance is largely due to his "Make-e-no-spoil-for-my-hand" style...

To dey compare am with the "Visionary" Alonso is somehow tbh

So is football supposed to be, Make I wait till e spoil for my hand like David Luiz?

Smart players hold and release the ball on time, this is not monkey post where you hold onto the ball and get dispossed.
No wonder all the coaches Busquets played with preferred his style of play and he was always number 1 for DM position

Alonso that is slow and needs time to pick pass, he is the easiest player to target and many opponents did this, since they know Alonso will foul them and becme useless from then

Madrid fans, Bayern fans have confirmed the same thing about Alonso because we saw him play for our teams

hensben:
Mr Alonso is not DM can you show me Alonso and bousq defensive stats since you don’t fancy eye test.

You spent the whole of yesterday arguing that Alonso was a DM and today saying he is not

I dont even know if English being your 4th language is the problem or watching football from a jaundiced lens

The latest result was a flaccid 0-0 draw to Shaktar Donetsk in the Champions League and it was result that really highlighted the central issues Bayern Munich are having in buildup play -- and most of the blame for that falls at the feet of Xabi Alonso. Despite the fact that the former Spanish international is only just 32-years-old and coming off the back of winning a Champions League trophy last season with Real Madrid, Alonso is a shade of his former self that saw him win two European Championships and a World Cup with Spain in 6 years. He's been a completely immobile type of playmaker for several years and while his passing ability may still be rivaled only by the likes of Andrea Pirlo or Toni Kroos, it's the rest of the equation that is making him a liability for Bayern Munich.

Just as Wolfsburg and Schalke demonstrated to open the Rückrunde, targeting Xabi Alonso is a viable strategy and one that hurts Bayern Munich far more then it harms yourself. Schalke further demonstrated that combining a high pressing defense that targets Alonso while simultaneously maintaining deep structured defensive lines is a very valuable strategy to killing off Bayern Munich's ability to build play. Furthermore, it also restricts the space for their intricate passing in the final third. Taking a page from the books of those two clubs, Shaktar Donetsk came out and shut down a Bayern Munich attack by first playing compact structured defense, then shutting down Xabi Alonso with the man mark and high press.

https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/bayern-munich-analysis/2015/2/18/8057799/xabi-alonso-bayern-munich-shaktar-donetsk-champions-league-liability-mobility-slow

raumdeuter:


The latest result was a flaccid 0-0 draw to Shaktar Donetsk in the Champions League and it was result that really highlighted the central issues Bayern Munich are having in buildup play -- and most of the blame for that falls at the feet of Xabi Alonso. Despite the fact that the former Spanish international is only just 32-years-old and coming off the back of winning a Champions League trophy last season with Real Madrid, Alonso is a shade of his former self that saw him win two European Championships and a World Cup with Spain in 6 years. He's been a completely immobile type of playmaker for several years and while his passing ability may still be rivaled only by the likes of Andrea Pirlo or Toni Kroos, it's the rest of the equation that is making him a liability for Bayern Munich.

Just as Wolfsburg and Schalke demonstrated to open the Rückrunde, targeting Xabi Alonso is a viable strategy and one that hurts Bayern Munich far more then it harms yourself. Schalke further demonstrated that combining a high pressing defense that targets Alonso while simultaneously maintaining deep structured defensive lines is a very valuable strategy to killing off Bayern Munich's ability to build play. Furthermore, it also restricts the space for their intricate passing in the final third. Taking a page from the books of those two clubs, Shaktar Donetsk came out and shut down a Bayern Munich attack by first playing compact structured defense, then shutting down Xabi Alonso with the man mark and high press.

https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/bayern-munich-analysis/2015/2/18/8057799/xabi-alonso-bayern-munich-shaktar-donetsk-champions-league-liability-mobility-slow

This sounds like what teams were doing to Fabregas.

I actually agree. It's Pep fault for playing an old man Alonso as a lone DM..

Alonso is a CM in his younger days, much less playing an old version of him as a DM

As a Real Madrid player, Alonso often struggled against pressing German teams. His side were knocked out of the Champions League by Bayern in 2012 and finished behind Dortmund in their group in the fall of 2012 before being eliminated by the Ruhr side a few months later.

Alonso was never the most mobile and best defensive player, and now 33 years of age, he's even less so. Guardiola may be able to mask his deficiencies in the Bundesliga, but he will fail in the Champions League. His costly mistake against Manchester City and sending off against Shakhtar are clear evidence. And he's not the only aging central midfield star to struggle on the greatest stage.

At 35, Andrea Pirlo continues to dominate opponents in Serie A. Yet his Juventus were eliminated from the Champions League group stage a year ago and barely edged Olympiakos to second in their group in the current campaign.

Xavi at Barcelona began to decline a few years ago, his inability to track Ramires' runs in the 2012 Champions League semifinals clearly indicating his downturn. The Catalan maestro has been effective in league play since then, but struggled against physical Paris Saint-Germain and Bayern in the 2013 Champions League, and Atletico a year later. This season he's played in all but five La Liga games for which he was fit, but started just two and gone the full 90 minutes in only one Champions League match.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2373220-why-guardiola-must-drop-xabi-alonso-for-bayern-munichs-champions-league-success