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RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by KingsCity: 3:17pm On Jun 27, 2021
Rivers state government has made major investments on flyovers across Port Harcourt and which is good. Unfortunately however I have to say that designs of those flyovers by Julius Berger is rather too poor for a company of that status.

Consequent upon the poor designs, the flyovers fail to solve the problem of traffic jams around those junctions. E.g Rumuokoro roundabout needed a design similar to Eleme junction flyover rather than the simple flyover which they did.

For Okporo flyover, the design failed to make provision for cars coming from Market junction who want to turn back to Market junction to be able to turn before Okporo junction. Implication is constant jam around Okporo junction, failing to fully address the traffic issue the flyover was intended to solve

Rivers State government need to be checking these designs before approving them and also consider RCC , builder of Eleme junction flyover, for some of the jobs

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by onez: 3:50pm On Jun 27, 2021
I am so much concerned about the unnecessary project. Do we need all these flyovers?. Why people follow major roads is that inner roads are in bad condition. The governor should have worked on these inner roads, this will automatically reduce traffic at major junction. Port Harcourt is getting saturated. You can't keep everybody in one location. There is need to channel resources and develop satelite city like Obigbo. Obigbo by all right is supposed to be a mega city. The governor should have used money for one flyover and used it to do street roads in Obigbo. Many Port Hacourt city dwellers have properties in Obigbo. They are only held back because of poor infrastructure. Obigbo has continue to thrive because of the resilience of it's residents. Imagine what that city will become with little govt investment. Wike is taking Ikwerre nationalism too far. It doesn't do him or Ikwerre people any good. Time will tell

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by seanfer(m): 4:18pm On Jun 27, 2021
OP you’re right about the poor jobs been done in Port harcourt by JB. But do you know that the Governor doesn’t listen to advise?
The rumuokoro flyover is just a waste of money and time. Same thing may happen in Rumuola

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by KingsCity: 5:06pm On Jun 27, 2021
onez:
I am so much concerned about the unnecessary project. Do we need all these flyovers?. Why people follow major roads is that inner roads are in bad condition. The governor should have worked on these inner roads, this will automatically reduce traffic at major junction. Port Harcourt is getting saturated. You can't keep everybody in one location. There is need to channel resources and develop satelite city like Obigbo. Obigbo by all right is supposed to be a mega city. The governor should have used money for one flyover and used it to do street roads in Obigbo. Many Port Hacourt city dwellers have properties in Obigbo. They are only held back because of poor infrastructure. Obigbo has continue to thrive because of the resilience of it's residents. Imagine what that city will become with little govt investment. Wike is taking Ikwerre nationalism too far. It doesn't do him or Ikwerre people any good. Time will tell

I quite agree with you sir but if Julius are going build a flyover, they should at least do a good job

Under Peter Odili, it's same Julius Berger that did the terrible one lane flyovers at Rumuola and CFC which Gov Wike is now reconstructing
Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by KingsCity: 5:10pm On Jun 27, 2021
seanfer:
OP you’re right about the poor jobs been done in Port harcourt by JB. But do you know that the Governor doesn’t listen to advise?
The rumuokoro flyover is just a waste of money and time. Same thing may happen in Rumuola

I wouldn't blame the governor, I blame Julius Berger because they are the professionals, it's their job to a good design and do a good job

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by Crofton: 5:45pm On Jun 27, 2021
onez:
I am so much concerned about the unnecessary project. Do we need all these flyovers?. Why people follow major roads is that inner roads are in bad condition. The governor should have worked on these inner roads, this will automatically reduce traffic at major junction. Port Harcourt is getting saturated. You can't keep everybody in one location. There is need to channel resources and develop satelite city like Obigbo. Obigbo by all right is supposed to be a mega city. The governor should have used money for one flyover and used it to do street roads in Obigbo. Many Port Hacourt city dwellers have properties in Obigbo. They are only held back because of poor infrastructure. Obigbo has continue to thrive because of the resilience of it's residents. Imagine what that city will become with little govt investment. Wike is taking Ikwerre nationalism too far. It doesn't do him or Ikwerre people any good. Time will tell


He should also invest in agriculture, I don't know why we have so many clueless Leaders. We are viable in terms of agricultural productivity, there are hectares of lands, from Etche to Omumma, from Abua to Ahoda and ONELGA . It's time southern governors start exploiting the underperforming agriculture sector .

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by Crofton: 5:49pm On Jun 27, 2021
But why can't Indigenous engineers and companies undertake such projects ?
Is it inferiority complex in the part of the Governor or are our Civil Engineers and Architects incapable ?

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by KingsCity: 5:56pm On Jun 27, 2021
Crofton:
But why can't Indigenous engineers and companies undertake such projects ?
Is it inferiority complex in the part of the Governor or are our Civil Engineers and Architects incapable ?

Unfortunately most local contractors don't deliver quality
Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by 9jaArea: 6:03pm On Jun 27, 2021
The state got what she paid for.

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by KingsCity: 6:21pm On Jun 27, 2021
9jaArea:
The state got what she paid for.

I don't believe Rivers paid for poor design

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by seanfer(m): 6:48pm On Jun 27, 2021
KingsCity:


I wouldn't blame the governor, I blame Julius Berger because they are the professionals, it's their job to a good design and do a good job

What if JB presents a good design and the government choose a cheaper one, so that they can steal the project funds.

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by seanfer(m): 6:51pm On Jun 27, 2021
KingsCity:


I don't believe Rivers paid for poor design

Rivers state government paid for poor design. Example is the Ikoku flyover that’s coming from Azikiwe street to olu-Obasanjo. How on earth will that flyover be useful considering how busy Ikwerre road is from mile 3 to mile 1.

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by Nobody: 6:56pm On Jun 27, 2021
KingsCity:


Unfortunately most local contractors don't deliver quality
You will get what you paid for.

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by KingsCity: 7:10pm On Jun 27, 2021
seanfer:


Rivers state government paid for poor design. Example is the Ikoku flyover that’s coming from Azikiwe street to olu-Obasanjo. How on earth will that flyover be useful considering how busy Ikwerre road is from mile 3 to mile 1.

There is always traffic around that Ikoku junction. It's JB's job as experts to advice the government and also come up with a design that effectively addresses traffic issues around that area
Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by KingsCity: 7:12pm On Jun 27, 2021
Okporo flyover wouldn't necessarily have cost more, the designer only needed to do better

Moreover the company should not agree to do a substandard job cause they also have their reputation at stake

seanfer:


What if JB presents a good design and the government choose a cheaper one, so that they can steal the project funds.
Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by seanfer(m): 7:21pm On Jun 27, 2021
KingsCity:


There is always traffic around that Ikoku junction. It's JB's job as experts to advice the government and also come up with a design that effectively addresses traffic issues around that area

Bro I can bet with you that at the completion of that Ikoku flyover, there will still be massive traffic for those going to mile 1 from mile 3 side.
Why can’t they let the bridge face Mile 1.
The state government is just wasting scarce resources in the name of flyover.
Look at what’s happening at rumuokoro right now. The traffic is worse than it was before flyover because all cars come to turn under the flyover.

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by KingsCity: 8:24pm On Jun 27, 2021
seanfer:


Bro I can bet with you that at the completion of that Ikoku flyover, there will still be massive traffic for those going to mile 1 from mile 3 side.
Why can’t they let the bridge face Mile 1.
The state government is just wasting scarce resources in the name of flyover.
Look at what’s happening at rumuokoro right now. The traffic is worse than it was before flyover because all cars come to turn under the flyover.

That's point. JB's designs are poor. That's the problem with Rumuokoro flyover and that's also going to be the problem with Ikoku junction. That problem is not there with Eleme junction flyover which RCC built.

The government is trying to solve the problem but the contractor need to deliver the needed quality
Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by 3gpvids: 9:28pm On Jun 27, 2021
JB just dey knack long bench full ph/wike-kpor

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by seanfer(m): 9:52pm On Jun 27, 2021
KingsCity:


That's point. JB's designs are poor. That's the problem with Rumuokoro flyover and that's also going to be the problem with Ikoku junction. That problem is not there with Eleme junction flyover which RCC built.

The government is trying to solve the problem but the contractor need to deliver the needed quality

My point is that the contractor gave the government what they paid for and approved.

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:31pm On Jun 27, 2021
I don't count flyovers as investments. Investment has to do with direct returns in economic growth.

That is like a man hammering 100 million naira and use it to build mansion and calling it investment.

Rivers State needs huge investment in Agro and technological industries.

Heck, Wike could have invested in a one or two modular refineries.
Integrated farms
Gas Plants to supply cooking gas at cheap rates.
Etc.

Calling flyovers investment.

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:34pm On Jun 27, 2021
Crofton:
But why can't Indigenous engineers and companies undertake such projects ?
Is it inferiority complex in the part of the Governor or are our Civil Engineers and Architects incapable ?

It is easier to inflate costs with foreign engineers.

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:46pm On Jun 27, 2021
seanfer:


Bro I can bet with you that at the completion of that Ikoku flyover, there will still be massive traffic for those going to mile 1 from mile 3 side.
Why can’t they let the bridge face Mile 1.
The state government is just wasting scarce resources in the name of flyover.
Look at what’s happening at rumuokoro right now. The traffic is worse than it was before flyover because all cars come to turn under the flyover.

The only solution is Urban development of other towns. Siting of projects and satellite towns outside Port Harcourt.

That will bring development. For instance the so called Odili hospital should not be in a town that is having traffic burden.

Unfortunately, we have a Governor who wants to starve other Ministries of money for his selfish gain.

So daft projects will continue.
Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by KingsCity: 10:46pm On Jun 27, 2021
seanfer:


My point is that the contractor gave the government what they paid for and approved.

JB are supposed to be experts in construction and are they supposed to present their clients with substandard designs for approval?
Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by KingsCity: 10:57pm On Jun 27, 2021
TheGoodJoe:
I don't count flyovers as investments. Investment has to do with direct returns in economic growth.

That is like a man hammering 100 million naira and use it to build mansion and calling it investment.

Rivers State needs huge investment in Agro and technological industries.

Heck, Wike could have invested in a one or two modular refineries.
Integrated farms
Gas Plants to supply cooking gas at cheap rates.
Etc.

Calling flyovers investment.

Time has value. If thousands of people each spend an hour or more to cross a busy junction every day, you can imagine the huge cost in man hours it's actually cheaper to build a flyover

And of course the construction creates jobs cause it's human beings that build them

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by Rugaria: 11:09pm On Jun 27, 2021
Modern cities are Never developed the way Nigerian government officials do in Nigeria. You biuld cities based on detailed plans drawn by experts and not by executive fiats made by some political megalomaniacs.
Before constructing roads, bridges, houses, parks , name them. , you have to get city planners to take a detailed look at the vicinity and draw up a plan that suits the city's outlook. If such is done, the kind of problem being discussed here would have been taken care of. But that's not always the case. ..

I remember Okorochas days in Imo State. This man would jump into a helicopter and fly over towns to "survey" things personally,. He would then decide by himself where to build roads and bridges, and that's it. Government will go ahead to award the contracts to every Tom Dick and Harry... It didn't go well as erosion took over and some of the roads constructed on wrong channels... Politicians should learn to understand that being elected to important political positions doesn't mean they have answers to evey problem. They should let professionals do their jobs too..

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:31pm On Jun 27, 2021
KingsCity:


Time has value. If thousands of people each spend an hour or more to cross a busy junction every day, you can imagine the huge cost in man hours it's actually cheaper to build a flyover

And of course the construction creates jobs cause it's human beings that build them

As soon as the flyovers are complete, jobs have finished.

Meanwhile a gas plant, integrated farms or production plant will provide jobs for years and give the State revenue.

Also will help decongest the City.

The flyovers are thoughtless investments.

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:35pm On Jun 27, 2021
KingsCity:


Time has value. If thousands of people each spend an hour or more to cross a busy junction every day, you can imagine the huge cost in man hours it's actually cheaper to build a flyover

And of course the construction creates jobs cause it's human beings that build them

Imagine spending over a hundred billion on time has value projects.

Instead of projects that will bring large economic growth, create long term jobs, provide food sufficiency and decongest the City.

Please, Wike proved he is not capable to run Rivers State by his gross thoughtless wastage.

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:37pm On Jun 27, 2021
KingsCity:


Time has value. If thousands of people each spend an hour or more to cross a busy junction every day, you can imagine the huge cost in man hours it's actually cheaper to build a flyover

And of course the construction creates jobs cause it's human beings that build them

I am talking of modular refineries and gas packaging Plants. Do you know the kind of growth that will bring to the State?

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by Nobody: 11:47pm On Jun 27, 2021
seanfer:
OP you’re right about the poor jobs been done in Port harcourt by JB. But do you know that the Governor doesn’t listen to advise?
The rumuokoro flyover is just a waste of money and time. Same thing may happen in Rumuola

I disagree with this.

If you know how Rumuokoro used to be, I don't think you'll say this. The only people experiencing any serious traffic at rumuokoro are those coming from Rumuodomaya and even that is early in the morning when everyone is rushing to work.

I also suspect that the partial blockage at Rumuola contributes to the traffic at rumuokoro. I'm looking forward to the commissioning of Rumuola flyover.

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by KingsCity: 12:26am On Jun 28, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


I am talking of modular refineries and gas packaging Plants. Do you know the kind of growth that will being to the State?

Agreed. States likes Rivers, Delta and Akwa Ibom can each afford to build mega, not even modular, refinery and that's what they should have done. Such projects would create lots of jobs and improve their revenues

but that doesnt mean the flyovers are not very useful anyways
Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by seanfer(m): 6:30am On Jun 28, 2021
rationalmind:


I disagree with this.

If you know how Rumuokoro used to be, I don't think you'll say this. The only people experiencing any serious traffic at rumuokoro are those coming from Rumuodomaya and even that is early in the morning when everyone is rushing to work.

I also suspect that the partial blockage at Rumuola contributes to the traffic at rumuokoro. I'm looking forward to the commissioning of Rumuola flyover.




At the bolded is wrong. All the 4 roads that connects to the roundabout at rumuokoro are always experiencing traffic jam. Before the flyover if you’re coming from Nkpolu/okoro part you can make a u turn before the roundabout, if you’re coming from eliozu you can also make u turn before the roundabout. But after the construction of the flyover they blocked those u turns and you have to come and everybody have to come under the bridge to turn. I pass this place every 2 days and I know how long it takes vehicles to turn at the roundabout.

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Re: RIVERS State Flyover Investmests Undermined By Julius Berger's Poor Designs by seanfer(m): 6:33am On Jun 28, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


The only solution is Urban development of other towns. Siting of projects and satellite towns outside Port Harcourt.

That will bring development. For instance the so called Odili hospital should not be in a town that is having traffic burden.

Unfortunately, we have a Governor who wants to starve other Ministries of money for his selfish gain.

So daft projects will continue.

The Governor has seats it several times that he will do all his best to develop port harcourt. He doesn’t care about other areas of the state. That’s why I laugh whenever he accuse PMB of Nepotism. The Ikwerre’s are the Fulani’s of rivers state. They see other tribes as second class.

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