OBUKSBAYELSA:


Over-Sabi that's the problem of the trio of Adeboye, Oyedepo and Kumuyi but that does not stop the Prophetic Ministry from forming thier own body after all the Pentecostal Movement started as movement against the Orthodox churches led by Catholic, Anglican Baptist and Methodist. Time for the Iginlas, Pastor Chris who had to cut Okotie to size, Mercyland pastor, Giwa and a host of many come together and damn these mini jesuses.bEnough is Enough.

Word

This charlatan! His comeuppance is just around the corner.

Mikecold:
Everybody must sha bring in Adeboye name to shine but the man has been on his lane

Primate Ayodele that keeps looking for attention and been controversial has not talked about himself that is an irrelevant politician tool neither a CAN or PFN member

Last time i checked these men have no public grievance with T.B Joshua except Okotie and they do not occupy CAN or PFN board

you just cleared the air. Those who don’t hate them will understand

safesurfer:
As a guy said up there, the fake primate is just trying to get some attention, which the likes of Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oyedepo et al will never give him.

they are too busy for that

ubee:
The thing is this. I'm wondering why the outcry from people like this Ayodele and all others about the christian leaders generally keeping mum following his death and ultimately shunning the funeral.
It would be hypocritical and outright insane for them to show up at the funeral considering they never associated themselves with TB Joshua when he was alive, so it wouldn't make sense for them to eulogise him in his death. They just had to keep silent. They would have been viciously attacked as hypocrites by the media if they reached out to Synagogue after Joshua's death.

This cold shoulder that Synagogue church got from most of the Nigerian christian body has it's genesis since the early 2000's.
Many of you here might be too young to know the story, and since our media in this country are very poor in the journalistic act of bookmarking, archiving and periodic public refresher of past events for posterity, I am not surprised most of you do not know the history of this feud.

Let me put down what i remember as i was in my old enough to understand what ensued in the christian community during that period.
Those early years of the 21st century, when there was no internet and SM yet, SCOAN burst into the consciousness of the entire nation in a way like never done before by any pentecostal entity. Here was a young, mild mannered preacher, with very limited command of spoken English, in a church with an impressive crowd of thousands. The building had just started taking form, plastered with cement, but not painted.
It was a wonder how this humble looking and very unsophisticated young pastor with an afro and a goatee attracted such enormous amount of people in thousands.
The crowd always had an impressive amount of whites numbering in what used to look like hundreds.
His style of deliverance was something I and obviously most Nigerians had never seen before. with very controversial and graphic sessions captured on camera of people being exorcised of evil spirits, open wounds seemingly being healed, the lame walk, blind eyes open, insanity cured, HIV cured, cancer, diabetes, pile, tumours, ............ all sorts of ailments being cured. Complete with all the people shown undergoing the deliverance ministration returning to give public testimonies to the hearing of all.
Brethren it used to be mind blowing watching those scenes. It was scenes so spectacular and sensational and not seen before even from his contemporary who was also popular for broadcasting healing sessions too - "Chris Oyakhilome" of Christ Embassy.

His future association with Oyakhilome proved to be the lightening rod that led to the outcry and backlash from the christian body of the country.
By the way just to put this out there; my opinion of TB Joshua at the time was this - "There is something not quite right with the approach and methods used by this pastor".

Sometime later in the middle of the absolute popularity of Christ Embassy and their charismatic, good looking, well spoken, unrivaled in dressing pastor Chris Oyakhilome, he stunned me and obviously many others when he went to visit SCOAN and conducted a joint deliverance session with Joshua.
I cannot forget how i discovered the news. It was me going through one of the newspapers my father normally purchased when i was stunned to see a picture of both pastors standing side by side, arms stretched towards an individual being ministered to. I quickly showed it to my folks who were all also very surprised.
It just didn't make sense. Here was the widely respected and beloved Pastor Chris, at the peak of his popularity associating himself on a man who many people had a big question mark about his methods and approach.
There was and huge backlash from the Christian community as the two apex Christian bodies in the country, PFN and CAN condemned Oyakhilome, and asked him to publicly denounce TB Joshua or face expulsion from both bodies. Oyakhilome released a video where he berated the PFN and CAN saying - "PFN is not God" (I remember those events like it was yesterday)
Suffice to say, Oyakhilome and Christ Embassy have not been associated with PFN or CAN ever since.
In the midst of all the brouhaha over this matter, Pastor Chris Okotie was the most vocal pastor in the country who openly and repeatedly criticized, mocked, accused, and condemned the two pastors. I'm not being paid for this so i don't have the energy to put down some of the things he said, but he said a whole looooooot of things. Most important to note is that he accused TB Joshua of being a cultist that got his powers from sinister means from India etc.

I was very surprised after many years passed by seeing how TB Joshua and SCOAN sort of resurfaced, rebranded, upgraded and wound up becoming the most famous Christian Ministry in the Land.
We all know the calibre of people (world leaders, captains of Industry) that have been associated with the church over the years.
On getting older and wiser, and making a conscious effort to always apply a deep level of rationality in my judgments and outlook to life in general, i came to have respect for Prophet TB Joshua. I had not changed in my suspicions of his methods and practices, but i asked myself honest questions like - "Who am I to judge and condemn a man that feeds and clothes a multitude of humanity across the whole world? I looked at the enormous philanthropic efforts he was involved in, and compared it to what/or what not the other popular "so called" men of God were doing to impact the needy and downtrodden in the society.
I had to come to the decision to put my suspicions aside and just respect him for who he is at least to the thousands of followers that loved him and followed his teachings.

I leave judgment to God Almighty.

I am hoping there will come a time when other christian leaders controlling a multitude like late TB Joshua will initiate projects to impact the downtrodden and needy, many of which are members of the churches they shepherd.
For now all their projects are multi billion naira projects (mostly schools) that can be utilized by only the rich.
They should be embarrassed.

May Prophet TB Joshua Rest in Peace.

God bless you bro. People criticise what they don't understand, simple as ABC.

Babinski:


The desperation of some of you TB Joshua apologists is appalling!

Even if they believe TBJ is a demon from the pit of hell, atleast a common condolence to the wife and family the Deceased left behind would have gone a long way to lead them through to the right path and to show-case that example of LOVE which is the very essence of the Christian faith.

Haba! Can you imagine a Christian stating the above and feeling comfortable saying it? What has light got to do with darkness? So if a Babalawo or Juju man dies now, CAN or PFN should pay condolence visit to show love?! Haaa!

As you are going, you would even ask God to send condolence message to Satan when Satan loses some of his disciples and demons just to show what you label as LOVE!!!

First of all, am neither a member nor know the location of his church, I am only speak base on his philanthropic outreach.
@The your above quote from my earlier post, the message is clearly lost on you. This is bigger than TBJ - he is dead and gone. It is bigger than these MOGs - they are entitled to their personal believe about TBJ and I stated this in my earlier post.
It is about us - the christian community that are left behind. It is about his families and friends - I won't agree these ones are demonic too, The neutral observers - what manner of example are we portraiting out there?
I still maintained that Love is very much capable of making those he left behind to retrace their steps especially now when the dead is no longer capable of work, retributions or judgements. Shalom

rainluv:


Word

Of- course Word is LIFE!

Babinski:


You can't stop anyone from sending message to you. But when you send message to anyone, you acknowledge that person and it shows you have some form of relationship. Adeboye had no relationship with TB Joshua and TB Joshua deciding to send message to Adeboye is his own business. It was not solicited.

Its pretty obvious pentecostal Christians in Nigeria dont know the meaning of humanity, U guys lack it.
Look at what u wrote there...its callous and heartless. T
It reminds me the story of the good samaritan who healed the wound of the jew victim, while the priest and the levites ignored him and passed by. That's humanity and Jesus likened that act to having eternal life. Humanity has disappeared in today's church and has been replaced by legality, mammon, crave for material wealth and religiousity.
What's wrong in sending condolence to a family who just lost a loved one. We can't even put religious differences aside and support each other in difficult times. Even, our muslims brethen understood humanity better, they sent condolence and prayed for Pastor Adeboye during his difficult time.
Pentecostal churches should do a retrospection on humanity....without humanity, our salvation will be in doubt and demonstration of holy spirit power will be non existent among members.

Fiscus105:


DNT Dodge my questn sir, who was spiritual fathers (that's ordained) of Moses and Elijah?

But Samuel trained under Eli and Joshua under Moses.

SIRTee15:

Its pretty obvious pentecostal Christians in Nigeria dont know the meaning of humanity, U guys lack it.
Look at what u wrote there...its callous and heartless. T
It reminds me the story of the good samaritan who healed the wound of the jew victim, while the priest and the levites ignored him and passed by. That's humanity and Jesus likened that act to having eternal life. Humanity has disappeared in today's church and has been replaced by legality, mammon, crave for material wealth and religiousity.
What's wrong in sending condolence to a family who just lost a loved one. We can't even put religious differences aside and support each other in difficult times. Even, our muslims brethen understood humanity better, they sent condolence and prayed for Pastor Adeboye during his difficult time.
Pentecostal churches should do a retrospection on humanity....without humanity, our salvation will be in doubt and demonstration of holy spirit power will be non existent among members.

Word
Thank you

ogatboy:


But Samuel trained under Eli and Joshua under Moses.

Who trained Eli and Moses?

rainluv:


Who trained Eli and Moses?

Moses was called directly by God but he worked with Aaron. And Joshua and Caleb served under him. Discipleship is a part of christianity.

Mikecold:
Yes pastor Chris oyakhilome own should send a signal

Everyone is quick to castigate but fail to remember Chris was his friend at one time and suddenly locked up later on

They didn't fight, they didn't have public issue yet Chris is not one of those in the camp of any G'O

He is on his own, could it be there is something they all see that we don't?

Apart from Okotie is there anyone openly castigating T.B Joshua, so why do some people think it's by force to be mixed with him or send him condolence just to make them happy, they are not in enemity with Joshua Na.

Can't people just stay on their own again

Amokachi was once his personal assistant why did amokachi not show up for his funeral?

Why did those old time people that started his ministry together with him not come to his funeral?

Could it be they know how it all began behind scenes

Don't be carried away with the outward even the devil can translate into an angel of light

He had many early workers who said many things against him, could all of them be wrong, was he the only pastor that he kept getting those controversies?

They say the big men of God were jealous of him, was just one church in ikotun enough to threaten ministers who already had congregation across the nation.

Close mouth dear. The truth is always bitter. They are jealous oh ah!

ogatboy:


Moses was called directly by God but he worked with Aaron. And Joshua and Caleb served under him. Discipleship is a part of christianity.

mosses even learnt indirectly under jethro sef

rainluv:


Okay
Christ never abolished the old testament so I don't know what you are talking about

If you are trying to seek validation for TB Joshua under Old Testament, I am sorry there is none. Being born again from the womb is not taught by Old Testament. In fact there is no born again in the Old Testament and remission of sins is by periodic blood sacrifice. So TB Joshua does not qualify as an Old Testament prophet.

And if you have sound understanding of the scriptures and Christianity, you would know that after Christ came, there was no need for Old Testament prophets again.

Hebrews 8: 6 - 7

6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

Read the full chapter of Hebrews 8 for better understanding.

Mikecold:
Everybody must sha bring in Adeboye name to shine but the man has been on his lane

Primate Ayodele that keeps looking for attention and been controversial has not talked about himself that is an irrelevant politician tool neither a CAN or PFN member

Last time i checked these men have no public grievance with T.B Joshua except Okotie and they do not occupy CAN or PFN board

Exactly! If they had attended, the same primate criticize them. He would noticed that they didn't cry well, or couldn't support the family raise funds, or even say, now that he's dead, they're coming to identify with him while none of them ever visited him when he was alive. This same TB Joshua never attended Adeboye's son burial and Kumuyi's late wife burial. These preachers never complained so why the unnecessary fuse

ogatboy:


Moses was called directly by God but he worked with Aaron. And Joshua and Caleb served under him. Discipleship is a part of christianity.

Same way Tbj,Chris okafor, fufeyin,iginla all work together
John chi
Wise man Daniel
Prophet Racine all became his disciples

Then who trained prophet Elijah?

edoairways:

Exactly! If they had attended, the same primate criticize them. He would noticed that they didn't cry well, or couldn't support the family raise funds, or even say, now that he's dead, they're coming to identify with him while none of them ever visited him when he was alive. This same TB Joshua never attended Adeboye's son burial and Kumuyi's late wife burial. These preachers never complained so why the unnecessary fuse

But Tbj sent condolence and prayed for the family

rainluv:


But Tbj sent condolence and prayed for the family

Do you send condolence to someone who has no ties with you?.

Mikecold:
See ehnn, I don't hate Joshua

I appreciate all he does in charity, but christianity is deeper than that

The Bible said in the end the anti Christ would come he would deceive even the elect, he would even perform miracles, same Bible says the devil can translate to an angel of light

I don't call Joshua demon but his case is why I perfectly believe the above can happen when anti Christ comes.

We leave God to Judge ultimately, but go and search your history when T. B Joshua started ministry he was very controversial he could claim to be casting demons yet take the person through different pains, flinging them like a wrestler into benches (he brought that trait into Christianity of which today we all recognize such men of god to be fake who get powers from devil because Christ isn't interested in jamboree and pains of victims)

He brought the trait of putting stuffs into water mixing it and selling to members into Christianity of which today it is rampant and we know such Pastors to be fake because Christ healing is free

They get powers from higher demons to cast lesser demons or exchange one demon of disease to attract seven demons of other afflictions, exact reason members are never empty from seeking cure

In Paul time he also encountered a diviner who could tell the future and wanted to collaborate with Paul for money.

Joshua's early disciples revealed many fetish things, and it's no surprise when you look at the end product of someone drinking an "holy water" and vomiting snake or strange stuff

He discards his disciples and workers up to choristers regularly over the years and you never see the numerous old ones again we don't know what always happen to them (always mysterious)

He gives same disciples his powers to do miracles like he does as if Jesus gave him the patent to it (No offense this is fake and Not Jesus)

When he discard them they never ever come close to him again (did they die or where shut out for what they know?)

Could this be why he doesn't fancy branches of his church so things don't leak?

So what is the gain of all these to the devil, could it be that he has taken a deal with the higher demons for short fame and trade his congregation into bondage with the devil

I mean same congregation that keep going for miraculous sessions spend money in his hotel to see him, buy his holy water are infested with more demons, and keep coming and never get healed

Could it be that in the spiritual realm this his members even when they keep hearing Jesus, claim to be saved etc have been traded into chains as agreement with the very synagogue dedicated to a higher demons

Jesus sure won't take souls that continues to be flocks of one in a deal with devil

Can the demons make deal with some one for fame yes, can they perform wonders yes, do these things have duration yes, can souls be transferred yes, ask Yahoo boys using girls who run mad later

So at the end the philanthropy work of giving, donating, been humble can't take you to heaven when you don't follow the Jesus door

You can't follow the Jesus door when you have traded your soul to the devil for gain

The donation etc is just an avenue of collecting money from your followers giving it and claiming the glory for yourself

You are wise

edoairways:

Do you send condolence to someone who has no ties with you?.

As a Christian,YES
Love leads!

Bible says we should love and pray for our enemies,yay or nay?

Babinski:


If you are trying to seek validation for TB Joshua under Old Testament, I am sorry there is none. Being born again from the womb is not taught by Old Testament. In fact there is no born again in the Old Testament and remission of sins is by periodic blood sacrifice. So TB Joshua does not qualify as an Old Testament prophet.

And if you have sound understanding of the scriptures and Christianity, you would know that after Christ came, there was no need for Old Testament prophets again.

Hebrews 8: 6 - 7

6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

Read the full chapter of Hebrews 8 for better understanding.

"This gifts he gave were that some be apostles, some prophets, some evangelist,some pastors and teachers" Ephesians 4:11
( Prophets were not abolished)

"For those who speak in a tongue do not speak to other people but to God, for nobody understands them, since they are speaking mysteries in the spirit. On the other hand,those who prophesy speaks to other people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation"
1 Corinthians 14:2,3

Then below is a proof, you MUST not have spiritual father to be called by God

Built upon the foundation of the apostle and prophet, with Christ Jesus as the cornerstone
Ephesians 2:20

I still can't comprehend the head and tail of this argument

Note: all these were gotten from the new testament

rainluv:


"This gifts he gave were that some be apostles, some prophets, some evangelist,some pastors and teachers" Ephesians 4:11
( Prophets were not abolished)

"For those who speak in a tongue do not speak to other people but to God, for nobody understands them, since they are speaking mysteries in the spirit. On the other hand,those who speaks to other people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation"
1 Corinthians 14:2,3

Then below is a proof, you MUST not have spiritual father to be called by God

Built upon the foundation of the apostle and prophet, with Christ Jesus as the cornerstone
Ephesians 2:20

I still can't comprehend the head and tail of this argument

Note: all these were gotten from the new testament

You are trying unsuccessfully to validate TB Joshua as a prophet without Christ!

Prophecy is a spiritual gift in the New Testament and that gift is for Christians and I have shown to you how TB Joshua was not a Christian and cannot be accepted by genuine Christians as a prophet. Any person who claims to be born again from the womb is expounding anti-Christ teachings. Your Bible quotes do not erase that fact.

If eternal life is important to you, open your mind to only the true gospel. No one can come to the father under the New Testament except through Christ.

Galatians 1: 6-11

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—

7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

So this is what I'm seeing below

One brags about his wealth while another returns the wealth

Which is more Christ-like?

rainluv:


His business?
I thought Christianity is Christ-like?

You that is Satan-like who permitted small infinitesimal you to criticize anyone for Christ-like behavior..when you don't really know what it is.

bezimo:


You that is Satan-like who permitted small infinitesimal you to criticize anyone for Christ-like behavior..when you don't really know what it is.

Lmao
You did the criticism

SIRTee15:

Its pretty obvious pentecostal Christians in Nigeria dont know the meaning of humanity, U guys lack it.
Look at what u wrote there...its callous and heartless. T
It reminds me the story of the good samaritan who healed the wound of the jew victim, while the priest and the levites ignored him and passed by. That's humanity and Jesus likened that act to having eternal life. Humanity has disappeared in today's church and has been replaced by legality, mammon, crave for material wealth and religiousity.
What's wrong in sending condolence to a family who just lost a loved one. We can't even put religious differences aside and support each other in difficult times. Even, our muslims brethen understood humanity better, they sent condolence and prayed for Pastor Adeboye during his difficult time.
Pentecostal churches should do a retrospection on humanity....without humanity, our salvation will be in doubt and demonstration of holy spirit power will be non existent among members.

Humanity nonsense B.S.my foot. The biggest giving for non-profit organization in Nigeria comes from Pentecostal churches..

Winners Chapel for instance gave wey more than even govt to the koma hill disaster/ Lagos cantonment explosions as acknowledge by world red cross as the biggest giver. No non-profit organization in Nigeria can rival the big Pentecostal churches when it comes to humanity showing by giving back to the society. Do you research..

You fools your hatred for the big churches and their pastors don't change shit.

Some of you TB Joshua supporters are becoming really stupid nuisance talking real chaff.

Babinski:


You are trying unsuccessfully to validate TB Joshua as a prophet without Christ!

Prophecy is a spiritual gift in the New Testament and that gift is for Christians and I have shown to you how TB Joshua was not a Christian and cannot be accepted by genuine Christians as a prophet. Any person who claims to be born again from the womb is expounding anti-Christ teachings. Your Bible quotes do not erase that fact.

If eternal life is important to you, open your mind to only the true gospel. No one can come to the father under the New Testament except through Christ.

Galatians 1: 6-11

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—

7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Lol
I agree with your number 10
Are we saying same thing?

Anyways, Zechariah was a prophet in the new testament and I didn't see him being born again

rainluv:


Lmao
You did the criticism

Oh you know..to criticize is easy but you dont want that.lol

bezimo:


Oh you know..to criticize is easy but you dont want that.lol

Lmao
I don't even know how to say
Lemmy laugh and pass

The controversial video titled OKO IYABO is free to watch
https://dai.ly/x82mau8 (Side A)


https://dai.ly/x82mbpo (Side B)

rainluv:


As a Christian,YES
Love leads!

Bible says we should love and pray for our enemies,yay or nay?

The bible say let the dead bury the dead