Kpokrikpo:

Definitely, in one way or the other, they help in making Jehovahs name known, I'm happy you found the truth Max!!

MaxInDHouse:


Good!
So the WORD became active in the beginning, please beginning of what?
Well it's the beginning of all other creatures but who has been existing without a beginning? Surely it couldn't be a person referred to as the FIRSTBORN of Creation because the word "firstborn" means part of creation!

dorox:


It is true that Jesus Christ has been given all authority by God in heaven and on earth (Mt 28:18), but this was only after his resurrection. The bible tells us in Php 2:8-11 that because Jesus humbled himself before God and was obedient to the point of death, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow.
Yes, Jesus in his prehuman existence in heaven was a powerful being, but the scriptures made it very clear that the resurrected Jesus is even more powerful than his prehuman self because of his obedience to go even unto death.
Angel Michael at the time of Moses had not been given the authority by God to bring judgement to the devil, not that he did not have the power to do so. If you compare Da 12:1 with Rev 12:7 you will see that angel Michael towards the end time, that is the time of the resurrected Jesus seems to be acting in authority. Remember, even Jesus as human allowed himself to be killed by mere mortal men. Does that mean that the human Jesus is not the same person as the resurrected Jesus that has been given the authority to judge the same mortal men?

shadeyinka:

See how you twist words "....beginning of all other things".
How was the Word formed?

Jesus is called first born of all creation meaning PREEMINENT with respect to
Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth ().

As firstborn from the dead.

If Jesus created all things, he can not be a creature else God Himself would be created by the Word


Colossians 1:16,17
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together (



That's why even the Father calls the Son God

Ps 45:6-7:
"Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of your kingdom is a right scepter. You love righteousness, and hate wickedness: therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows."

Sorry, please find another argument

EFULEFU1:
Jehovah witnesses hate Jesus to the bone

1. Jesus told His disciples to witness Him (Jesus) in Acts 1:8 but Jws say they will rather witness Jehovah

2. The Bible calls Jesus God (Isaiah 9:6, John 14:8-9, john 20:28, Colossians 1:16 etc) yet jws say Jesus is a god.

3. Jesus said all eyes will see him when he appears again, jws say Jesus appeared invisibly in 1914 Even they themselves didn't see him; this is madness

shadeyinka:

See how you twist words "....beginning of all other things".
How was the Word formed?
Jesus is called first born of all creation meaning PREEMINENT with respect to
Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth ().
As firstborn from the dead.
If Jesus created all things, he can not be a creature else God Himself would be created by the Word
Colossians 1:16,17
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together (

That's why even the Father calls the Son God
Ps 45:6-7:
"Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of your kingdom is a right scepter. You love righteousness, and hate wickedness: therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows."
Sorry, please find another argument

Bishopkingsley:


The Scripture say their eyes is blinded to see who Jesus is so the more you show it the more they can't grasp the truth it actually hidden from them

EFULEFU1:
Jehovah witnesses hate Jesus to the bone

JWs believe in Jesus Christ & his TEACHINGS
@ John 14:1 & John 20:17, John 7:16, the doctrine Jesus received from his God and Father.
Matthew 4:10, we Obey Jesus.
JWs refuse to worship 2 persons which you Efulefu & All polytheists are doing.

EFULEFU1:

4. The Bible is clear that Jesus created all things (Colossians 1:16) but Jws say NO, it was their God Jehovah who first created Jesus and Jesus created all other things wow

5. The Bible commands us to do ALL things in the Name of JESUS, jws say no, they will do all things in Jehovah

6. Jws will not sing or listen to a song containing JESUS, they will rather sing a dirge. Same Jesus who is worshipped by even angels

S

Colossians 1:15-16, did Jesus the first born of every creature create his Father?
Polytheists wey no deh reason on the scriptures
Romans 11:35-36, who came through the Father?
Jesus of course!

Yes !
John 9:4, we follow Jesus to work for his Father.
John 17:4-5, we are JEHOVAH'S gift to his son.
Na Jesus Christ talk am, argue with him. .

1 Corinthians 3:23 apostle Paul agreed.
The man who had a personal encounter with Jesus. Na so Jesus tell am.

shadeyinka:

Rev 13:8:
"And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

sagenaija:
MaxinDHouse, who is speaking in Isaiah 48:12-13
[12] “Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last.
[13] Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.?

EFULEFU1:


7. Jws say Jesus is angel Michael when the Bible says Jesus is God and Saviour; by extension the saviour of jws is angel Michael

shadeyinka:

Of course.
They who have replaced the Christ and the Holy Spirit with the old men at their headquarters

EFULEFU1:



8. Jws have doctored the Bible to form their nwt to make Jesus an angel and a god

LIAR
John 1:1, Moffat Bible.
Theologians James Moffat & Goodspeed are your Trinitarian mentors.

John 1:1,Goodspeed Bible
Bros, go and confirm.

Did the Greeks Bible refute your claim?
Do you know Greek language more than the Greeks?
Did the Screenshots proven you are LYING?

EFULEFU1:



9. JWs make mockery of Jesus everyday ; mocking at His deity, same thing the High Priest and elders did to Jesus when He stood before them In trial

10. Jws lie that, Jesus' ressurection wasn't physical; for them, Jesus' body corrupted

s

Mr LIENUS, John 20:17 & John14:28, did Jesus tell you he is equal to God his Father?

John 19:6-7, did the Jews themselves refute their own FALSE claim @ John 5:18?

Revelation 3:12, did Jesus tell you he is deity?
Revelation 3:12, Efulefu,who does your deity worship?

10.
John 17:4-5,24 "Father give me the glory I had before Creation of the world".
Was Jesus Christ a human when he was given glory in heaven?
Would Jesus receive back the glory as human?
.
John 17:4-5, Jesus Christ proven your claim is Spurious

Janosky:

LIAR
John 1:1, Moffat Bible.
Theologians James Moffat & Goodspeed are your Trinitarian mentors.

John 1:1,Goodspeed Bible
Bros, go and confirm.

Did the Greeks Bible refute your claim?
Do you know Greek language more than the Greeks?
Did the Screenshots proven you are LYING?

MaxInDHouse:


Please brother Janosky, each time you use this phrase in the highlighted i don't feel it's right because i bear them witness that most of this people have a zeal for God but not according to accurate knowledge {Romans 10:2-3} so don't think they are lying because deep down their hearts they feel they're doing what is right even when they can't come up with one line of thought under their god!

dorox:

Your post is without context, it doesn't address any of the points i raised in response to your original argument. Could you elaborate please?

Janosky:

Efulefu made FALSE claims to mislead people reading his comments.
I asked him a question. Let him & everyone reading the comments go & verify the facts in the Screenshots.
Thanks my Brother.

shadeyinka:

See how you twist words "....beginning of all other things".
How was the Word formed?

Jesus is called first born of all creation meaning PREEMINENT with respect to
Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth ().

As firstborn from the dead.

If Jesus created all things, he can not be a creature else God Himself would be created by the Word


Colossians 1:16,17
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together (

2 Questions for all Trinitarians:
Trinitarians, Did Jesus Christ create his Father?
Was Jesus Christ dead before he was born?
Was Reuben PREEMINENT because he was dead before birth?

Genesis 49:3 & Colossians 1:15 meaning the same thing.
Trinitarians LYING like kilode

Romans 11:35-36. Jesus came through his Father.
1 Corinthians 1:24. Proverbs 8:22-30, Jesus is the first born Creature personified as "Wisdom."

Genesis 49:3, Reuben is PREEMINENT because he is first born.
Jesus Christ too is PREEMINENT because he is first born of all creation meaning he came through the Father, Romans 11:35-36. Col 1:15.
KJV deliberately refused to use PREEMINENT for Reuben @ Genesis 49:3. E get why

Your Trinitarian mentors knew he was the angel of Jehovah @ Genesis16:7,13 Amplified Bible & Geneva Bible, Daniel 10:13

MaxInDHouse:


Of course Mr vybzkartel (the wise one) our own Jesus is the Mighty God {Isaiah 9:6} but not the Almighty God! Psalms 83:18

shadeyinka:




That's why even the Father calls the Son God

Ps 45:6-7:
"Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of your kingdom is a right scepter. You love righteousness, and hate wickedness: therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows."

Sorry, please find another argument

johnw47:


false jw mad max

you polytheist false jw's have two god's: a mighty god
and a almighty god

the truth is Mighty God and Almighty God is referring to
the one true God, not two gods: a mighty god jesus and a almighty god the father

Mighty God is YAHWEH

Deu_7:21  Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.
Psa_50:1  A Psalm of Asaph. The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
Psa_132:2  How he sware unto the LORD, and vowed unto the mighty God of Jacob;
Psa_132:5  Until I find out a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob.
Isa_10:21  The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
Jer_32:18  Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,
Hab_1:12  Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.


Almighty God is Yahweh

Gen_17:1  And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Eze_10:5  And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh.
Rev_19:15  And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Gen_28:3  And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people;
Gen_35:11  And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
Gen_43:14  And God Almighty give you mercy before the man, that he may send away your other brother, and Benjamin. If I be bereaved of my children, I am bereaved.
Gen_48:3  And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,
Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

22jumpstreet:
Should I tell them that their Jesus never existed. That he is just a Roman creation or invention..?

Or I should just step back and read comments..

Janosky:

Psalms 82:1,6 Angels are mighty Gods.

Everybody knows that JWs DON'T worship Jesus.
JEHOVAH is our only true God.
EL in Hebrew meaning "mighty one" (or mighty God, applied to angels, men, Yahweh & to Jesus Christ)
Efulefu, your fellow Triune deities devotee, said that much.
JohnW STOP DECEIVING yourself.

shadeyinka:

Rev 13:8:
"And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

johnw47:


Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:

deceiving fraud jw janosky

truly, the name/title Mighty God and Almighty God in the bible is referring to
the one true God, and not to two gods, and not to angels

oh heap big know nothing

Bishopkingsley:
The biblical evidence does not substantiate this. The fact that Michael is called a chief prince only means that he has authority over other angels- not over everything that exists.
In addition, Jesus is never called the chief prince in Scripture. On the contrary He is the king of kings and Lord of Lords.Though Michael has protected Israel, it is as God's representative. It is ultimately the Lord, not Michael, who is protecting His chosen people.

Voice Like

The fact that Christ comes with the voice, or cry of command, like an archangel does not mean that He is one. The voice He uses will be "like" or "as" that of an archangel. In other words, a powerful voice.

Michael Highest Of Angels

Michael is the highest of the angels - an order of created beings. He is one of the angels, he is not the Creator of the angels as the Bible says that Jesus is.

for by Him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers - all things have been created through Him and for Him (Colossians 1:16).

There is a further problem with the identification of Jesus with Michael. The Book of Jude says:

But when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9).

Michael is obviously not the Lord. He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus has no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord.

Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " Then the Devil left Him, and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him (Matthew 4:10,11).

His Name Bears Testimony

Michael, the one who is closest in proximity to the Lord at the top of the angelic creation, bears testimony to the great gap between the Creator and the created. His name means, "who is like God?" The answer, of course, is no one. The closer one gets to God, the more they realize their own nothingness and His greatness. Neither Michael, nor any of the angels, is like God.

His Name Bears Testimony

Michael, the one who is closest in proximity to the Lord at the top of the angelic creation, bears testimony to the great gap between the Creator and the created. His name means, "who is like God?" The answer, of course, is no one. The closer one gets to God, the more they realize their own nothingness and His greatness. Neither Michael, nor any of the angels, is like God.

Summary

There is no biblical evidence to equate Michael the archangel with Jesus. To the contrary, Jesus and Michael are two different personages. Michael is the highest of the angels - an order of created beings while Jesus is the uncreated Second Person of the Trinity, God the Son.

Janosky:

Revelation 3:12 and Revelation 2:27.

Matthew 27:46, your God crying to themselves "my God,my God why have you forsaken us"

Matthew, Jesus Christ and John says you're too dull to understand.

johnw47:


Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:

very confused fraud jw janosky

of course you polytheist false jw's believe in two god's: a mighty god and a almighty god

for christians, Mighty god and Almighty God are similar names/titles for the one true God

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a
murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

vybzkartel:


Jws are fools, don't mind them