patrickmuf:
The supposed gap is negligible if Ole ups his game...Liverpool didn't have the depth of City when they won the league. I wonder why a perfectly negligible gap is now an issue when we are involved...

Even with the analysis of Thelequte, it is quite clear that man Utd have a larger squad with man city edging it out in superior quality replacement in midfield.

patrickmuf:
We have seen teams win trophies whilst playing well so, is not out of place to demand such from a coach. It's not like we are asking them to win trophies with 9 men against 11, simply win while playing well...

so you see... Now you want two conditions to be satisfied before you can stop being a complainant.

Play well and win league.

Now we have to start looking for that manager that can play well and win league altogether. While you want two conditions to be met, some of your associates may want three or four conditions to be met.


Insatiable lots!!!

lekkie073:
so you see... Now you want two conditions to be satisfied before you can stop being a complainant.

Play well and win league.

Now we have to start looking for that manager that can play well and win league altogether. While you want two conditions to be met, some of your associates may want three or four conditions to be met.


Insatiable lots!!!

You are a fan just like anyone else here, react the way you choose whatever suits you. You have no right to tackle others for the opinions they hold or label them complainants or whatever your brain can think of...

As I told you earlier, you can scroll past, nobody force you to read...

patrickmuf:
Lindelof, Dalot, Pogba/Sancho can cover for them...

1. Lindelof isn’t even fit to be United material for his preferred position (RCB) but you think there won’t be a significant drop in quality if he replaces Maguire at LCB. O wrong nao.

2. Dalot is a freaking liability defensively. The drop in quality defensively between him and AWB in is like from 85 to 40. He edges AWB offensively but it’s just a little bit. We’ve seen him play. We know his weaknesses. Same with AWB.

3. Pogba cannot deputize for Bruno at AM without that major drop in quality, mostly because of his speed. I mean, Pogba is a top quality player but fast play and making quick decisions in tight spaces- the requirements for an AM- is not his forte. It was here we kept buying players to “unlock” Pogba. We didn’t know it was Pogba that needed to unlock someone else.

Sancho is the only one I think can play that AM like Bruno and we won’t see a major drop in quality. And he’s yet to do that. So fingers crossed on that.

patrickmuf:
Leave the guy...He wants to get at me but not today...

They don turn the argument to another thing

BARAJ92:
Even with the analysis of Thelequte, it is quite clear that man Utd have a larger squad with man city edging it out in superior quality replacement in midfield.

In his analysis, he gave Grealish a 10 in AM and LWF but he gave Pogba an 8 in AM...What has Grealish done as an AM that Pogba hasn't done and even bested? That's why I said his analysis is flawed...

Someone said somewhere that I am including Varane to win an argument. What kind of football do they play in England that is different from what a player with 4 UCL, 1 world cup has not faced before? The same guys were praying that Pep shouldn't sign Messi as if Messi has played in England before going by their logic...If City had signed Varane and Sancho, I aam certain they'd have said they're the best addition to any team...

BARAJ92:
Even with the analysis of Thelequte, it is quite clear that man Utd have a larger squad with man city edging it out in superior quality replacement in midfield.

If Lingard turns into a Gundogan and McTom becomes a young Matic our quality in midfield will improve a lot. Like a lot.

TrebleChamp:
If we replace our midfielder with city's, how do you think KDB, Gondugan, Rodri and Fernandinho will perform under Ole's taktiks? Same for Bruno, Pogba, McFred and Matic under Pep taktiks?

We don't have midfield that will fit into Pep as all our midfielder options are not press resistant.

patrickmuf:
You know why Barcelona, Juventus, Bayern, Man City, PSG, Real Madrid and the likes don't settle for less? Because they spend a whole lot in transfer fees and wages hence expect good football and trophies...If Klopp leaves Liverpool today, the next manager will be under intense pressure to deliver trophies too, no one will remember that it took Klopp 4 seasons to finally deliver the UCL because they believe they have gotten back to that stage where they shouldn't go a maximum of 2 seasons trophy less...Even Klopp will come under fire should Liverpool fail to win any trophy this season because the excuse of injuries to key defenders is now a thing of the past...

I can't be hating on Ole yet I want him to use the squad well to avoid the burnout that was evident last season...

Barcelona from 1974 to 1990 did not win a single LA Liga, despite making second position more than five times. They went on to win four straight seasons after that. Real Madrid has its own fair share of periods of hiatus. Ac Milan is also going though its own period. This is normal in football, and it is more difficult now that competition is improving as a result of fund availability. Gone are the days players will troop to one club simply because of club profile and popularity.

patrickmuf:
You are a fan just like anyone else here, react the way you choose whatever suits you. You have no right to tackle others for the opinions they hold or label them complainants or whatever your brain can think of...

As I told you earlier, you can scroll past, nobody force you to read...

haven't you also label people with differing opinions?
You are perrenial complainant. Simple!

patrickmuf:
In his analysis, he gave Grealish a 10 in AM and LWF but he gave Pogba an 8 in AM...What has Grealish done as an AM that Pogba hasn't done and even bested? That's why I said his analysis is flawed...

Someone said somewhere that I am including Varane to win an argument. What kind of football do they play in England that is different from what a player with 4 UCL, 1 world cup has not faced before? The same guys were praying that Pep shouldn't sign Messi as if Messi has played in England before going by their logic...If City had signed Varane and Sancho, I aam certain they'd have said they're the best addition to any team...

Pogba is a top player but he is not a top AM (Mourinho found out the hard way. )

How hard is that to understand?

Graelish is a top AM and a top LWF
Sancho will probably be a top RWF and a top LWF.
If Greenwood develops right, he’s going to be a top CF and a top RWF.

Rashford is only a top LWF. And Martial is not top anywhere anymore.

And not being top in one position doesn’t mean you’re total pants there.

Do you understand now?

TheLequte:


1. Lindelof isn’t even fit to be United material for his preferred position (RCB) but you think there won’t be a significant drop in quality if he replaces Maguire at LCB. O wrong nao.

2. Dalot is a freaking liability defensively. The drop in quality defensively between him and AWB in is like from 85 to 40. He edges AWB offensively but it’s just a little bit. We’ve seen him play. We know his weaknesses. Same with AWB.

3. Pogba cannot deputize for Bruno at AM without that major drop in quality, mostly because of his speed. I mean, Pogba is a top quality player but fast play and making quick decisions in tight spaces- the requirements for an AM- is not his forte. It was here we kept buying players to “unlock” Pogba. We didn’t know it was Pogba that needed to unlock someone else.

Sancho is the only one I think can play that AM like Bruno and we won’t see a major drop in quality. And he’s yet to do that. So fingers crossed on that.

1. As a backup, Lindelof is more than capable...He has played on that side before and can hold his own especially when partnered with Varane...

2. Dalot might be a liability but so is Mendy and Zichenko on City's left side. No one team has a perfect 11 and bench...

3. Pogba doesn't need to play like Bruno to function in that role. You guys are forgetting that it takes quality players around you for most of your play to count. For instance, if Pogba had given that pass he gave to Greenwood against Leeds to James instead, chances that it won't end up in the back of the net is high...See how Tuchel has managed to mask the deficiencies in Jorginho's game by having more men behind the ball...That's what is expected of Ole. In the absence of Bruno, it isn't compelling that we must play an out and out AM, a 4-3-3 with a sitting DM and two CMs is an option...

If we rate Grealish high on the back of what he did last season then Sancho for his numbers in the Buli and performances in the UCL deserves to be rated even higher...Early days but I am certain Sancho and Rashford will outscore Grealish and Pogba will have more assist...We sometimes underestimate the quality in our ranks...

lekkie073:
haven't you also label people with differing opinions?
You are perrenial complainant. Simple!

Whatever makes you feel better...

patrickmuf:
Whatever makes you feel better...

lekkie073:

Barcelona from 1974 to 1990 did not win a single LA Liga, despite making second position more than five times. They went on to win four straight seasons after that. Real Madrid has its own fair share of periods of hiatus. Ac Milan is also going though its own period. This is normal in football, and it is more difficult now that competition is improving as a result of fund availability. Gone are the days players will troop to one club simply because of club profile and popularity.

Nobody is saying we must win everything...A trophy or two in between is not a crime...

CapitalCee:


They want Bruno 2X, so that when One Bruno gets injured or tired another Bruno comes in, they also want clones for all players same world class quality. 22 world class players.

patrickmuf:
Nobody is saying we must win everything...A trophy or two in between is not a crime...

and when eventually the manager wins a trophy that is not EPL or UCL, another style of complain will surface. Abeg make i chill dey read like I always do

Omo,my input...


mancity are better than us ,yes


but we not far behind,yes


we still need like 5 more signings to be up there with mancity(squad depth wise) but that doesn't become an excuse for the fraud not to win something.we have seen teams with worse squad depth win trophies.(liverpool 19/20,leicester 15/16 etc comes to mind)

LMDyaya:
Omo,my input...


mancity are better than us ,yes


but we not far behind,yes


we still need like 5 more signings to be up there with mancity(squad depth wise) but that doesn't become an excuse for the fraud not to win something.we have seen teams with worse squad depth win trophies.(liverpool 19/20,leicester 15/16 etc comes to mind)

5 more signing? Baba if you inject 5 top players into this team, Pep will run away, we will be too hot to handle...

LMDyaya:
Omo,my input...


mancity are better than us ,yes


but we not far behind,yes


we still need like 5 more signings to be up there with mancity(squad depth wise) but that doesn't become an excuse for the fraud not to win something.we have seen teams with worse squad depth win trophies.(liverpool 19/20,leicester 15/16 etc comes to mind)

5 ke?

lekkie073:
You just like to argue and argue your life away on what adds no economic value to your life in Calabar. Sit here all day and be castigating those people who are among the best in their careers. Glazes, whose funds are the major force directing the affairs of the club are not complaining. The mancurians forking out GBP to watch every season are not perrenial complainants,

Na somebori from Calabar carry the matter for head like Panama hat.
Despite melodygonna trying more than enough to make you see reason, you still no Wan gree use your intellect effectively.
If you like, cry from now till eternity, the club will decide when it's employee (manager or player) leaves. If you are still watching football with the mindset that your team is expected to beat every other club to it every time, then you are not qualified to be a fan.
Let me ask you this....

How many times have you complained that your father is not as rich as dangote? How many time have you aspired to be the best employee in the organization? But you persistently complain about someone doing the best in his field to ensure success for himself and the organization he represents. You and your ilks here just waste the whole day giving people thousand rational and irrational reasons to see someone in a bad light.
Make una no kill unaself on issues that are beyond your control.

Mr Man all what you wrote up their is absolute trash, i don't even understand how this nonsense write up relate to the topic of discuss. The fans that rented a plane with MoyesOUT banner that flew over Old Trafford during a live game are from Ibadan abi? English fans can criticise Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho, but have failed to criticise Ole cos he is a Club Legend and fans favourite. But we (Patrick and other OleOUT geng) that have sense enough to criticise him for his failures last season don't have goals in life. Very nonsense write up, Mtcheeeeew.....

patrickmuf:
5 more signing? Baba if you inject 5 top players into this team, Pep will run away, we will be too hot to handle...

lol,abi o

those 5 signings are to match them completely or even be better, I mean quality.

lekkie073:
is united the first club that will spend 400m in three seasons and not win the league?

Every big club goes through a hiatus, a period when they will find it difficult to get it right. It might be a result of increased competition, money, fatigue or any other factor. The fact remains, a big club cannot remain competitive for ever except when there is no competition from its rivals. Fergie kept Liverpool in hiatus for decades. That coincided with the emergence of new football powerhouses like Chelsea and Mancity.
Now manutd has been in a hiatus since Fergie left (this is normal) and you expect one manager to come and fill his vacuum perfectly.
Fergie, as a personality won United at least 10 points per season. That's why some rival fans ascribe him the position of epl influencer. That is gone with him, more clubs are grooming themselves to be more competitive. In the midst of these, some manutd fans still fantasize about overnight success. Hmmmmm

Would be good to provide examples of clubs that spent 400m in three years without a major trophy to show for it.

Real Madrid, Chelsea, City, Barca, PSG? I don’t know, please help.

TrebleChamp:
Mr Man all what you wrote up their is absolute trash, i don't even understand how this nonsense write up relate to the topic of discuss. The fans that rented a plane with MoyesOUT banner that flew over Old Trafford during a live game are from Ibadan abi? English fans can criticise Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho, but have failed to criticise Ole cos he is a Club Legend and fans favourite. But we (Patrick and other OleOUT geng) that have sense enough to criticise him for his failures last season don't have goals in life. Very nonsense write up, Mtcheeeeew.....

sensible things do not sound sensible to stupid people. Just imagine yourself proudly ascribing yourself a nonsensical nomenclature 'OleOUT' geng. Were you consulted before he was appointed? So why do you feel your useless opinions will determine when he will be relieved? It is easy to criticize. All you have to do is find one error and keep blabbing about it. Any fool can do that. However, not everyone can see progress. It is only given those who make effective use of their sense of reasoning.

lekkie073:

Barcelona from 1974 to 1990 did not win a single LA Liga, despite making second position more than five times. They went on to win four straight seasons after that. Real Madrid has its own fair share of periods of hiatus. Ac Milan is also going though its own period. This is normal in football, and it is more difficult now that competition is improving as a result of fund availability. Gone are the days players will troop to one club simply because of club profile and popularity.

Interesting. I guess they spent up to 400m in today’s money in the same period, without winning a major trophy.

LMDyaya:




lol,abi o

those 5 signings are to match them completely or even be better, I mean quality.

We already have good enough quality. We just need a DM...If you watched Bissouma against Watford yesterday, you'd understand how good he is...He or Ndidi will see us even the gao in midfield with City...

The rest is hinged on departures...

afrodoc2:

5 ke?

you don't just try to match na, but to surpass.

LMDyaya:
Omo,my input...


mancity are better than us ,yes


but we not far behind,yes


we still need like 5 more signings to be up there with mancity(squad depth wise) but that doesn't become an excuse for the fraud not to win something.we have seen teams with worse squad depth win trophies.(liverpool 19/20,leicester 15/16 etc comes to mind)

I talk am. We need 5 more world class signings before we can say we have a squad at City’s level. I saw it coming.

We just need to sell OT to get a ‘perfect’ squad.

We go dey alright las las

patrickmuf:

My guy, we have looked at both teams. The only area where they edge us is in the midfield and that's because VDB has got going yet. In AM, Sancho and Pogba can step in there and do a good job. I am of the opinion that Sancho or Pogba as our attacking midfielder will best any option from City not named KDB over the course of a season. I hope Ole sticks with McTom and Matic as his DM options while Fred and VDB should ay as CMs that they are.

City are better at LB...

We are better at RCB

We are on par at LCB

We are better at LB

They edge it in the DM position

In CM and AM we are as good as them.

In the wings, there's nothing to separate the both team. In fact, if Sancho reach the heights expected of him and Rashford comes back better we will ahead of them.

At CF, we are better and have the better options...

I am currently on about the AM position though, I no get strength for the long arguments for the other positions.

If you are offered grealish, foden or Pogba as an AM to replace Bruno.
Rank your choice based on their recent performances in that position over recent time.

I adopt everything capitalcee has said as mine. Pep’s tactical ingenuity covers a lot for his players. That’s why some think they have a better squad. 1 vs 1–no city player can completely relegate ours in any position.

Since ole joined, I’ve never heard him say he signed a player because he fits into his playing style , because there’s no style. It’s always about the DNA.

Ole has no excuse this season Abeg. That squad is good enough for any coach to challenge for the biggest prices.

BARAJ92:
James draw out player. There is a reason why we always score more when he is on the pitch with better players.

Oga no dey talk this things abeg.
Did James start when we played Southampton 9:0?
Stop using coincidence as focal point, in the high scoring matches as an attacker how many goals did he score? Or even assist?

Make una dey rest abeg.

KingAlabi:

I am currently on about the AM position though, I no get strength for the long arguments for the other positions.

If you are offered grealish, foden or Pogba as an AM to replace Bruno.
Rank your choice based on their recent performances in that position over recent time.

The thing is that we don't have to play 4-2-3-1 all the time. In the absence of Bruno, we should rather play 4-3-3...

But if I must answer your question, I'll rank the as follows;

1. Pogba
2. Foden
3. Grealish

Grealish is a fine player but he hangs onto the ball too much. Pogba sometimes over does things but if he sees the movement, he will make the pass and 6 (if not higher) out of 10 times, it's inch perfect...

Foden's first instinct is to create space to score or make the run to score. He isn't very creative so, I'd rather deploy him as an inverted wing forward