This particular thread is not for babies. So if you are literally a baby, I'd strongly advice you leave this thread before it is too late

So in recent times, I have been critically studying the truth surrounding the person of JESUS CHRIST and how the Bible made us believe that he came to earth for the salvation of our souls (John 3:16 attests to this fact).

We were also told by the same Bible that he was born in bethlem, Israel and fulfilled the prophecy of the ancient prophets who prophesied his birth, resurrection and death (Prophet Isiah and others)

BUT the very problem here is this: Till this day, the Israelites don't believe in Jesus Christ. They say that the prophecies of the ancient prophets have not yet been fulfilled and is still waiting to be fulfilled. If Israel were Jesus was acclaimed to be born don't believe in his existence, how can the rest of the world believe in him.

They say the bible was written by men inspired by the Holy spirit. If this is true, how come the four books of the Gospel have contradictory accounts of some events as they were recorded? Or was it the holy spirit who inspired them to give different accounts? Don't forget that the four gospel books were written by different men at different times....

Look at the so called Christendom today all around the world. Different denominations with different doctrines and dogmas and all of them claim to operate under the holy spirit. For example there was a time where the deeper life church banned the use of televisions because to them it was a sin. Today, they allow the use of the same TVs in their homes and churches. Was it the Holy spirit who inspired the G.O then to ban it?

Israel is still God's own country today despite not believing in Jesus Christ. No country can defeat them and that shows that God is still with them despite them not believing in Jesus Christ.

There's a lot of analysis. But let me stop here. What really is the truth about the whole Jesus thing?

I will read after drinking.

Please note: I am sure the Person of God exists (unlike what the atheists say) and I am also sure that the devil (Lucifer) exists but the person of Jesus Christ is where the confusion all lies in. Nobody was there when angel Gabriel appeared to Mary. Nobody was there when the three wise men visited Mary and Jesus in the manger. So how can we verify the truth? It could have all been made up by some very rich imaginations. If Israel as God's own nation still subscribe to the law of Torah ( Moses or Mosaic laws) only and not Jesus teachings, then something must be wrong somewhere

Issues40:
This particular thread is not for babies. So if you are literally a baby, I'd strongly advice you leave this thread before it is too late.

There's a lot of analysis. But let me stop here. What really is the truth about the whole Jesus thing?

Believe in Jesus Christ and be saved. Confess Him as your Lord with your mouth, and believe in your heart that He died and rose again.

Bottom line is, LEAVE MATTER FOR MATTHIAS. Philosophy and logic can't help you in this matter. Happy Sunday to you.

The apostle Paul acclaimed to be inspired by the Holy spirit instructed that women should be silent in churches. But today we have women who preach in churches and even go as far as owning churches and also claiming that they were inspired by the Holy spirit. Are there two or more Holy spirit influencing Christendom? What is really going on?

delugadou:

Believe in Jesus Christ and be saved. Confess Him as your Lord with your mouth, and believe in your heart that He died and rose again.

Bottom line is, LEAVE MATTER FOR MATTHIAS. Philosophy and logic can't help you in this matter. Happy Sunday to you.

But how does one believe in what one is not sure of? I am not sure you can believe in me because you don't know me. That's how it works

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But how does one believe in what one is not sure of? I am not sure you can believe in me because you don't know me. That's how it works

I don leave you for God hand. With your own eyes, you have seen people pray in the name of Jesus Christ and get beautiful miracles and testimony.

I like the fact that your premis is biblical... like your base is the word.
Now to gain a better understanding I suggest you read more... I'd have selected some specific portions but I want you to read up yourself, there is joy is doing so.
Romans 8, to Romans 11
It's a long read but it answers your questions especially pertaining the Israelites belief in Jesus.

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Please note: I am sure the Person of God exists (unlike what the atheists say) and I am also sure that the devil (Lucifer) exists but the person of Jesus Christ is where the confusion all lies in. Nobody was there when angel Gabriel appeared to Mary. Nobody was there when the three wise men visited Mary and Jesus in the manger. So how can we verify the truth? It could have all been made up by some very rich imaginations. If Israel as God's own nation still subscribe to the law of Torah ( Moses or Mosaic laws) only and not Jesus teachings, then something must be wrong somewhere

Lol, you no believe Jesus but you believe say devil and god dey. Going by your logic, were you there when Lucifer was giving Eve the apple, were you there when Satan was sent out of heaven?
Have you seen this god or do you have any logical evidence for it? Apply your logic to everything you've been told of the Bible and its fictional stories and tell yourself the truth.
You're just another 'woke' Christian.

kingxsamz:


Lol, you no believe Jesus but you believe say devil and god dey. Going by your logic, were you there when Lucifer was giving Eve the apple, were you there when Satan was sent out of heaven?
Have you seen this god or do you have any logical evidence for it? Apply your logic to everything you've been told of the Bible and its fictional stories and tell yourself the truth.
You're just another 'woke' Christian.

But the truth is that you can't know it all. How do you know where you come from? How do you know that your parents met and created you? How are you sure you didn't fall from the sky or emerged from underground? You weren't there when you were created. You only believed what you were told. It is the same with God and Lucifer...

Or where does black magic come from? After all we have seen miracles happen clearly before our very own eyes after we called on God's name

maiquel:
I like the fact that your premis is biblical... like your base is the word.
Now to gain a better understanding I suggest you read more... I'd have selected some specific portions but I want you to read up yourself, there is joy is doing so.
Romans 8, to Romans 11
It's a long read but it answers your questions especially pertaining the Israelites belief in Jesus.

Yes, I've read it. But those chapters were written only on the premise that Jesus Christ truly existed. What if he didn't? What would we make of those chapters? Don't forget that those chapters reflected the reasoning of a man ( apostle Paul) and I can tell you for a fact that the apostle paul is not recognized in Israel as anybody

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But the truth is that you can't know it all. How do you know where you come from? How do you know that your parents met and created you?

How do I know if my parents gave birth to me?
These are lame analogies you have used.

How are you sure you didn't fall from the sky or emerged from underground? You weren't there when you were created. You only believed what you were told. It is the same with God and Lucifer...

If you're not sure of these things how then can you be sure that there's a god and a Lucifer who's this god's rival?

Or where does black magic come from? After all we have seen miracles happen clearly before our very own eyes after we called on God's name

There's nothing like black magic. It holds no substance in real life and has no effect in reality. And miracle does not exist.
The same way you don't believe in this Jesus is the same way for atheists. You can't pick and chose in these things. It's either you believe them or you don't.

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Please note: I am sure the Person of God exists (unlike what the atheists say) and I am also sure that the devil (Lucifer) exists

Why are you sure they exist?

Jesus is fictitious made by Saul and written into biblical history Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Check out for how Saul created Jesus in the BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY.

kingxsamz:

How do I know if my parents gave birth to me?
These are lame analogies you have used.


If you're not sure of these things how then can you be sure that there's a god and a Lucifer who's this god's rival?



There's nothing like black magic. It holds no substance in real life and has no effect in reality. And miracle does not exist.
The same way you don't believe in this Jesus is the same way for atheists. You can't pick and chose in these things. It's either you believe them or you don't.

I know your type well. The ones that can clearly see but choose not to or maybe pretend not. If you can tell me that Black magic doesn't exist especially as a Nigerian that you are, then you and I have no discussion here please....

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I know your type well. The ones that can clearly see but choose not to or maybe pretend not. If you can tell me that Black magic doesn't exist especially as a Nigerian that you are, then you and I have no discussion here please....

The discussion isn't even about black magic or whatever. The discussion is about your god, devil and Jesus. My unbelief in the so called black magic shouldn't hurt your feelings more than my unbelief in your god.
Why have you ruled out the existence of the Jesus in your bible based on certain logical conclusions but have refused to apply same premise to your belief in your god and the devil? That's the discussion here.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world.

10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.

11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.

12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—

13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

John 1:9‭-‬13 NIV

Apostle Paul actually encountered Jesus on his way to Damascus.

3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.

4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied.

6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

7 The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone.

8 Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus.

Acts 9:3‭-‬8 NIV

Do you know that after that encounter, Apostle Paul spent 13 years studying and knowing the person of Jesus and Holy Spirit before preaching the gospel (Read/study Galatians 1).

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—

7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Galatians 1:6‭-‬10 NIV

11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin.

12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

13 For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it.

14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.

15 But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased

16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was not to consult any human being.

17 I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later I returned to Damascus.

18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days.

19 I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother.

20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie.

21 Then I went to Syria and Cilicia.

22 I was personally unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ.

23 They only heard the report: “The man who formerly persecuted us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy.”

24 And they praised God because of me.

Galatians 1:11-24 NIV

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BUT the very problem here is this: Till this day, the Israelites don't believe in Jesus Christ. They say that the prophecies of the ancient prophets have not yet been fulfilled and is still waiting to be fulfilled. If Israel were Jesus was acclaimed to be born don't believe in his existence, how can the rest of the world believe in him.

Do you not see that since the beginning of their world from Moses, that they were Anti-God?

Complaining all the way, saying, "Why did you remove us from Egypt?"

If not for the Everlastingness of the Covenant with Abraham, God would have wiped them out like the nations around them.

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They say the bible was written by men inspired by the Holy spirit. If this is true, how come the four books of the Gospel have contradictory accounts of some events as they were recorded?

Have you not seen that even in giving report about eg crime or accident witnesses present never give the same testimony?

All testimonies are given from the angles a witnesses is interested in.

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The apostle Paul acclaimed to be inspired by the Holy spirit instructed that women should be silent in churches. But today we have women who preach in churches and even go as far as owning churches and also claiming that they were inspired by the Holy spirit. Are there two or more Holy spirit influencing Christendom? What is really going on?

Do people ever Obey God?