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God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by SSIPON(m): 8:27am On Oct 09, 2021
God can restore eyesight.
God can raise the dead.
God can help you find your lost car keys. grin grin
God can heal the sick.
God can change your HIV status.
God can literally glue fallen ears back in place.

But, God cannot restore the limbs of amputees why? undecided undecided

Why is it that the so-called miracles are usually things that are easily faked, like blindness or an HIV test result.

Why do the so called miracles only happen in churches and not actual hospitals??

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Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Techguy96(m): 8:31am On Oct 09, 2021
So god was so active in the old n new testaments when they was no recorder or camera.
The god could talk from the cloud n people would hear, sinners or not. Eg when Jesus was baptized.

But now that man inverted camera, god nor gree show up again o. Watin dey play na.

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Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by SSIPON(m): 8:35am On Oct 09, 2021
Techguy96:
So god was so active in the old n new testaments when they was no recorder or camera.
The god could talk from the cloud n people would hear, sinners or not. Eg when Jesus was baptized.

But now that man inverted camera, god nor gree show up again o. Watin dey play na.

Exactly take the story of Elijah and the prophets of Baal for example, God supposedly sent fire from the sky to prove himself. It makes you wonder the likelihood that most stories in the Bible are just mythical tales that never really happened.

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Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Kayberg: 8:36am On Oct 09, 2021
Isaiah 59 (KJV)
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¹ Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
² But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
³ For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
⁴ None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
⁵ They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.
⁶ Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
⁷ Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
⁸ The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.
⁹ Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.
¹⁰ We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noonday as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.
¹¹ We roar all like bears, and mourn sore like doves: we look for judgment, but there is none; for salvation, but it is far off from us.
¹² For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them;
¹³ In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
¹⁴ And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
¹⁵ Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
¹⁶ And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
¹⁷ For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
¹⁸ According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.
¹⁹ So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.
²⁰ And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
²¹ As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Kayberg: 8:41am On Oct 09, 2021
SSIPON:
God can restore eyesight.
God can raise the dead.
God can help you find your lost car keys. grin grin
God can heal the sick.
God can change your HIV status.
God can literally glue fallen ears back in place.

But, God cannot restore the limbs of amputees why? undecided undecided

Why is it that the so-called miracles are usually things that are easily faked, like blindness or an HIV test result.

Why do the so called miracles only happen in churches and not actual hospitals??

That's why He had said:
Matthew 11 (KJV)
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²⁸ Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
²⁹ Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
³⁰ For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Techguy96(m): 8:41am On Oct 09, 2021
Kayberg:
Isaiah 59 (KJV)
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¹ Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
² But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
³ For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
⁴ None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
⁵ They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.
⁶ Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
⁷ Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
⁸ The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.
⁹ Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.
¹⁰ We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noonday as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.
¹¹ We roar all like bears, and mourn sore like doves: we look for judgment, but there is none; for salvation, but it is far off from us.
¹² For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them;
¹³ In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
¹⁴ And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
¹⁵ Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
¹⁶ And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
¹⁷ For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
¹⁸ According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.
¹⁹ So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.
²⁰ And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
²¹ As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.
In a nutshell, it's human's fault the miracle is not happening not god.

This is same old story u religious people have been using.

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Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Kayberg: 8:42am On Oct 09, 2021
Techguy96:
So god was so active in the old n new testaments when they was no recorder or camera.
The god could talk from the cloud n people would hear, sinners or not. Eg when Jesus was baptized.

But now that man inverted camera, god nor gree show up again o. Watin dey play na.

John 12 (KJV)
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²⁸ Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
²⁹ The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
³⁰ Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
³¹ Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
³² And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Techguy96(m): 8:43am On Oct 09, 2021
Kayberg:


That's why He had said:
Matthew 11 (KJV)
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²⁸ Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
²⁹ Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
³⁰ For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
The richest men on earth don't pay tithes or even believe in the christian god.

Some of the poorest people in Nigeria are either christians or Muslims.

But somehow u are still blaming the people for lack of miracles n not god

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Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Techguy96(m): 8:45am On Oct 09, 2021
Kayberg:


John 12 (KJV)
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²⁸ Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
²⁹ The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
³⁰ Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
³¹ Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
³² And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
What's the correlation between ur post n my post.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by SSIPON(m): 8:45am On Oct 09, 2021
Kayberg:


John 12 (KJV)
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²⁸ Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
²⁹ The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
³⁰ Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
³¹ Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
³² And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

I don't understand you o. You keep quoting Bible verses, you are literally dodging the question:

Why can't God restore the legs of amputees
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Kayberg: 8:47am On Oct 09, 2021
Techguy96:

The richest men on earth don't pay tithes or even believe in the christian god.

Some of the poorest people in Nigeria are either christians or Muslims.

But somehow u are still blaming the people for lack of miracles n not god

It's not about the tithe.
See where your thought headed to.
It's about what you're willing to do for the money.
And mind you, GOD builds anyone, regardless of you believing or not believing on HIM.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Kayberg: 8:48am On Oct 09, 2021
SSIPON:


I don't understand you o. You keep quoting Bible verses, you are literally dodging the question:

Why can't God restore the legs of amputees

“And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?”
— Exodus 4:11 (KJV)
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Ehiscotch(m): 8:48am On Oct 09, 2021
Matthew 16 vs 4. If you honestly want true answers and you aren't trying to be insincere try reading Matthew 16 with all honesty and sincerity of heart and the holy spirit shall reveal through your conscience the answer you seek.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Ehiscotch(m): 8:51am On Oct 09, 2021
SSIPON:


I don't understand you o. You keep quoting Bible verses, you are literally dodging the question:

Why can't God restore the legs of amputees

Because Bible verses are the God's direct answers to questions and those who truly want to understand truth would be patient in mind.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by SSIPON(m): 8:52am On Oct 09, 2021
Ehiscotch:
Matthew 16 vs 4. If you honestly want true answers and you aren't trying to be insincere try reading Matthew 16 with all honesty and sincerity of heart and the holy spirit shall reveal through your conscience the answer you seek.

Oga what is the reason why God won't restore lost/missing limbs or separate conjoined twins?

If He could glue a list ear back in place, then surely He can restore limbs right?
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by SSIPON(m): 8:52am On Oct 09, 2021
Ehiscotch:


Because Bible verses are the God's direct answers to questions and those who truly want to understand truth would be patient in mind.

Okay, so you who is patient in mind why can't God restore lost limbs and why is the so called miracles that god perform always something that can be faked.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Ehiscotch(m): 8:58am On Oct 09, 2021
Techguy96:

The richest men on earth don't pay tithes or even believe in the christian god.

Some of the poorest people in Nigeria are either christians or Muslims.

But somehow u are still blaming the people for lack of miracles n not god

The Bible tells us God's gives kingdoms to whomever he will in the Book of Daniel. He gave to the wicked and evil rulers of the Chaldeans, to Assyria to Persia etc. Tithing is an old covenant law to the people of Israel; cheerful giving is the commandment to Christians today.

Even Jesus dissuaded a man from following him because of the laborous journey ahead. Another couldn't follow even if he did all that the law demanded because of riches.

You all don't read enough of the Bible but you already condemn it.

It's sad that you can't take the same approach to movies or society or a human life but you treat "what could be the truth" with so much levity and carelessness. Why?
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Ehiscotch(m): 9:05am On Oct 09, 2021
SSIPON:


Okay, so you who is patient in mind why can't God restore lost limbs and why is the so called miracles that god perform always something that can be faked.
You know even bible verses can be falsely used to argue against it and questions like yours have even led Xtains to fall away or create divisions amongst themselves.

Paul, a great apostle had a disciple whom he loved and treated like a son but he had a stomach problem and he advised him to take a little wine to treat his ailment. Paul did so much miracles, how ironic that an ordinary stomach ailment was elusive.

Luke, who wrote a gospel, a fascinating gospel of the life of Christ was a physician in his day.

God created food, medicine and the brain. Besides, the Bible is about 6000 years of record and miracles recorded are about 150 or so. Miracles weren't even witnessed by every generation and yes even the Bible alludes to faked miracles.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by SSIPON(m): 9:10am On Oct 09, 2021
Ehiscotch:
You know even bible verses can be falsely used to argue against it and questions like yours have even led Xtains to fall away or create divisions amongst themselves.

Paul, a great apostle had a disciple whom he loved and treated like a son but he had a stomach problem and he advised him to take a little wine to treat his ailment. Paul did so much miracles, how ironic that an ordinary stomach ailment was elusive.

Luke, who wrote a gospel, a fascinating gospel of the life of Christ was a physician in his day.

God created food, medicine and the brain. Besides, the Bible is about 6000 years of record and miracles recorded are about 150 or so. Miracles weren't even witnessed by every generation and yes even the Bible alludes to faked miracles.

What are you talking about? I am asking why God cannot heal amputees, since He could restore lost ears, and you are pandering about?
The earth is about 4 Billion years old.

Miracles weren't even witnessed by every generation and yes even the Bible alludes to faked miracles.
Or, it could be that these stories were told at times when superstitious beliefs like sticks turning into snakes were rampant, so it wasn't so hard to sell the story of the dead coming back to life or a pool that instantly heals you if you are dipped in while the angels were stirring it.

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Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Ehiscotch(m): 9:14am On Oct 09, 2021
SSIPON:


Okay, so you who is patient in mind why can't God restore lost limbs and why is the so called miracles that god perform always something that can be faked.

If you think miracles are enough to convince or convict people of the truth, you ought ordinarily to be right but the Israelites in their day broke laws of God and commandments even when they saw the red Sea parted, saw all what God did to free them from slavery, even how he killed those who broke his law. Like Paul said, there is enough evidence in nature to prove the deity and eternal power of God. You all have no excuses.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Techguy96(m): 9:19am On Oct 09, 2021
Ehiscotch:


The Bible tells us God's gives kingdoms to whomever he will in the Book of Daniel. He gave to the wicked and evil rulers of the Chaldeans, to Assyria to Persia etc. Tithing is an old covenant law to the people of Israel; cheerful giving is the commandment to Christians today.

Even Jesus dissuaded a man from following him because of the laborous journey ahead. Another couldn't follow even if he did all that the law demanded because of riches.

You all don't read enough of the Bible but you already condemn it.

It's sad that you can't take the same approach to movies or society or a human life but you treat "what could be the truth" with so much levity and carelessness. Why?

But going by ur write up, whats the point of praying for wealth from god if god already made his choice.

"What could be the truth"


I have read the bible enough to know it's not the truth, if u do u will see the clear picture of what the bible really is.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by SSIPON(m): 9:26am On Oct 09, 2021
Ehiscotch:


If you think miracles are enough to convince or convict people of the truth, you ought ordinarily to be right but the Israelites in their day broke laws of God and commandments even when they saw the red Sea parted, saw all what God did to free them from slavery, even how he killed those who broke his law. Like Paul said, there is enough evidence in nature to prove the deity and eternal power of God. You all have no excuses.


Uhm, hello aren't miracles, like God's PR. Weren't miracles the reason why Jesus had so many people following him around and listening to his teachings? I am simply asking why? Why is it that God can heal blind people but not amputees?

Why is it that the miracles that you guys claim happen in churches today, are easily faked??

Or are you trying to say that there has been a real case of a lame person, walking after getting prayers from a pastor??

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Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Techguy96(m): 9:33am On Oct 09, 2021
Ehiscotch:


If you think miracles are enough to convince or convict people of the truth, you ought ordinarily to be right but the Israelites in their day broke laws of God and commandments even when they saw the red Sea parted, saw all what God did to free them from slavery, even how he killed those who broke his law. Like Paul said, there is enough evidence in nature to prove the deity and eternal power of God. You all have no excuses.

First of all u can't use the bible as a base for argument. Let us see the miracle today n make a decision, u can't be using stories in the bible to rate humans of today, stories that has no verification.

Do u know there's no evidence of Israelites Exodus in the whole of Egypt. Egypt were know for keeping records, the Israelites didn't leave any trace in the desert they cross to Canaan as well. Funny enough that there's no proof for any story in the bible yet u want us to believe just like that.

The fact that nature exist does not prove a god exists. Existence doesn't prove creator.

If existence prove creator then god must certainly have a creator n his creator a creator n so on.

Christians be like the bible is true because it says so in the bible.

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Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Workch: 9:48am On Oct 09, 2021
Kayberg:


That's why He had said:
Matthew 11 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
²⁸ Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
²⁹ Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
³⁰ For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Religion is the only business that blames the customer for its inefficiencies

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Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Workch: 9:49am On Oct 09, 2021
SSIPON:
God can restore eyesight.
God can raise the dead.
God can help you find your lost car keys. grin grin
God can heal the sick.
God can change your HIV status.
God can literally glue fallen ears back in place.

But, God cannot restore the limbs of amputees why? undecided undecided

Why is it that the so-called miracles are usually things that are easily faked, like blindness or an HIV test result.

Why do the so called miracles only happen in churches and not actual hospitals??
Because this is hard to concoct
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Workch: 9:50am On Oct 09, 2021
Ehiscotch:


If you think miracles are enough to convince or convict people of the truth, you ought ordinarily to be right but the Israelites in their day broke laws of God and commandments even when they saw the red Sea parted, saw all what God did to free them from slavery, even how he killed those who broke his law. Like Paul said, there is enough evidence in nature to prove the deity and eternal power of God. You all have no excuses.
How can we verify all these things you People say?
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Ehiscotch(m): 10:33am On Oct 09, 2021
Workch:
How can we verify all these things you People say?
Start with evidence for the existence of Jesus and His resurrection because like Paul said "If Christ wasn't raised then we are still in our sins; our faith is in vain and we of all men are the most to be pitied" (summary). So if you can prove that Christ was not raised from the dead then we would arguing about abortion and sexuality based on feelings and subjectivity and how we evolved from lower animals and how humans in Europe are "superior" to those in Africa.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Ehiscotch(m): 10:38am On Oct 09, 2021
Workch:
Religion is the only business that blames the customer for its inefficiencies

Humans are so unique that many illnesses are based on individuals.

There are some advice that could be given generally but health is mostly tied down to the individual.

There really is specificity to each patient in most cases.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Workch: 10:43am On Oct 09, 2021
Ehiscotch:


Humans are so unique that many illnesses are based on individuals.

There are some advice that could be given generally but health is mostly tied down to the individual.

There really is specificity to each patient in most cases.
Most illnesses are not humans fault but how nature works sir. There’s nothing supernatural about it
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Workch: 10:45am On Oct 09, 2021
Ehiscotch:
Start with evidence for the existence of Jesus and His resurrection because like Paul said "If Christ wasn't raised then we are still in our sins; our faith is in vain and we of all men are the most to be pitied" (summary). So if you can prove that Christ was not raised from the dead then we would arguing about abortion and sexuality based on feelings and subjectivity and how we evolved from lower animals and how humans in Europe are "superior" to those in Africa.
what is the evidence that Jesus was born without fertilization?
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by LordReed(m): 10:47am On Oct 09, 2021
SSIPON:
God can restore eyesight.
God can raise the dead.
God can help you find your lost car keys. grin grin
God can heal the sick.
God can change your HIV status.
God can literally glue fallen ears back in place.

But, God cannot restore the limbs of amputees why? undecided undecided

Why is it that the so-called miracles are usually things that are easily faked, like blindness or an HIV test result.

Why do the so called miracles only happen in churches and not actual hospitals??

Because god is just the natural things people are yet to be able to explain. Amputated limbs cannot grow back naturally so god is not to be found there. Some illnesses can go into remission for reasons we are yet to be able to explain suddenly god can be found there. Can humans fly without mechanical aids nope so you'll never see them claim god made them fly yet they believe Jesus and angels can fly without mechanical aid.
Re: God Can Perform All Sort Of Miracles Except This One? by Ehiscotch(m): 12:12pm On Oct 09, 2021
Workch:
Most illnesses are not humans fault but how nature works sir. There’s nothing supernatural about it

What I'm saying is that the inefficiencies (or otherwise) of medicine or medical treatment is mostly attributed to the individual. So going by what you said in a sense the individual can most likely be blamed for his failure to get treated.

His lifestyle, genetic make up, adherence to medical directives and so on.

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