Workch:
what is the evidence that Jesus was born without fertilization?

Let's start from bottom-up. "If Jesus wasn't raised.." If Jesus had lived it wouldn't have mattered how he was born; this wasn't the dispute, many Jews infact, at the time, didn't know of his miraculous conception. If he hadn't resurrected from the dead is the question and all historical evidence (inside and outside the Bible) points to his life and death and his resurrection. You can do your research; it's not a legend at all as more evidence has proven his existence.

This is even the greatest miracle and the backbone of Christianity and not growing a limb or raising a dead to prove to some unbelievers that he exists.

Ehiscotch:
Let's start from bottom-up. "If Jesus wasn't raised.." If Jesus had lived it wouldn't have mattered how he was born; this wasn't the dispute, many Jews infact, at the time, didn't know of his miraculous conception. If he hadn't resurrected from the dead is the question and all historical evidence (inside and outside the Bible) points to his life and death and his resurrection. You can do your research; it's not a legend at all as more evidence has proven his existence.

This is even the greatest miracle and the backbone of Christianity and not growing a limb or raising a dead to prove to some unbelievers that he exists.

What is the evidence that Jesus was born without fertilization?

Answer that question

Ehiscotch:

What I'm saying is that the inefficiencies (or otherwise) of medicine or medical treatment is mostly attributed to the individual. So going by what you said in a sense the individual can most likely be blamed for his failure to get treated.

His lifestyle, genetic make up, adherence to medical directives and so on.

Most ailments are natural sir. It's true that ilfestyle contribute to some but it doesn't jusfity miracles

SSIPON:


What are you talking about? I am asking why God cannot heal amputees, since He could restore lost ears, and you are pandering about?
The earth is about 4 Billion years old.


Or, it could be that these stories were told at times when superstitious beliefs like sticks turning into snakes were rampant, so it wasn't so hard to sell the story of the dead coming back to life or a pool that instantly heals you if you are dipped in while the angels were stirring it.

Those weren't ordinary times, LMAO. People were civilized then. You modern people are so conceited that you think people were walking around half naked in caves and with little or no education. Most, if not all wonders of the world were made in biblical times. Great secular man were contemporaries of Jesus or existed before him, sir. As there were Legends and myths in those times that have proven false and no lasted the test of time.

God can heal amputees, infact the Bible records a time were Jesus refused to do a miracle in a certain place because of their unbelief. Herod requested a demonstration from Jesus but he didn't respond. The Jews did and he didn't.

The Lord God is Almighty, Sovereign in wisdom and understanding and you cannot put him in a box. The questions you all raise today are not new to Christianity. If only you all will sincerely open your hearts to truth.

Workch:
Most ailments are natural sir. It's true that ilfestyle contribute to some but it doesn't jusfity miracles

And you believe individual situations are not responsible for whether or not they receive a miracle but you believe this for medicine?

Ehiscotch:
And you believe individual situations are not responsible for whether or not they receive a miracle but you believe this for medicine?

whether or not it's possible hasn't been tested positive.
As a matter of fact,, every attempt to test miracles has resulted in negatives

Workch:
whether or not it's possible hasn't been tested positive.
As a matter of fact,, every attempt to test miracles has resulted in negatives

that is because you all fail to understand the basic definition of miracles: It is a supernatural work of God in natural situations. You many times as atheist say these things cause themselves which has a wider implication on things like reasoning. Is your mind a machine of its own and your actions just reactions? are you a product of some bio-mechanical combinations? God gave man a complete freedom to live on Earth and have dominion of it, naturally, but that doesn't stop God from influencing it at certain times. That's why there was one talking donkey. Why didn't God just take all the Israelites in the air and dump them in the Promised Land? I These are the kinds of questions you all ask.

Ehiscotch:
that is because you all fail to understand the basic definition of miracles: It is a supernatural work of God in natural situations. You many times as atheist say these things cause themselves which has a wider implication on things like reasoning. Is your mind a machine of its own and your actions just reactions? are you a product of some bio-mechanical combinations? God gave man a complete freedom to live on Earth and have dominion of it, naturally, but that doesn't stop God from influencing it at certain times. That's why there was one talking donkey. Why didn't God just take all the Israelites in the air and dump them in the Promised Land? I These are the kinds of questions you all ask.

OK, what is the evidence that Jesus was born without fertilization?
Why are you avoiding that question?

Ehiscotch:


Those weren't ordinary times, LMAO. People were civilized then. You modern people are so conceited that you think people were walking around half naked in caves and with little or no education. Most, if not all wonders of the world were made in biblical times. Great secular man were contemporaries of Jesus or existed before him, sir. As there were Legends and myths in those times that have proven false and no lasted the test of time.

God can heal amputees, infact the Bible records a time were Jesus refused to do a miracle in a certain place because of their unbelief. Herod requested a demonstration from Jesus but he didn't respond. The Jews did and he didn't.

The Lord God is Almighty, Sovereign in wisdom and understanding and you cannot put him in a box. The questions you all raise today are not new to Christianity. If only you all will sincerely open your hearts to truth.

Where did I mention that people back then were uncivilised??
Civilization is about 10k years old
You still haven't answered my question on why god heals the blind but not amputees

SSIPON:


Where did I mention that people back then were uncivilised??
Civilization is about 10k years old
You still haven't answered my question on why god heals the blind but not amputees

It's the philosophy behind your question. Are you saying God heals but he doesn't heal amputees in particular or God hasn't healed an amputee, so God doesn't heal at all?

Workch:
OK, what is the evidence that Jesus was born without fertilization?
Why are you avoiding that question?

Because it was a miracle. If you were discerning you would have inferred this from my posts. You know Joseph didn't believe Mary, and was skeptical as you are, "Even in the age were people believed stories of sticks turning to snakes, and an exodus from Egypt and animal sacrifices". I am not saying there was no fertilization but I don't want to speculate really.

Ehiscotch:
Because it was a miracle. If you were discerning you would have inferred this from my posts. You know Joseph didn't believe Mary, and was skeptical as you are, "Even in the age were people believed stories of sticks turning to snakes, and an exodus from Egypt and animal sacrifices".

If I tell you that I am God and that I am here chatting with you because I work in a mysterious way, would you believe that?

Workch:
If I tell you that I am God and that I am here chatting with you because I work in a mysterious way, would you believe that?

I would ask why you are doing this and how it pertains to my holiness or godliness. God doesn't do things without purpose; it would be utterly uncharacteristic of him. I wish you knew more about him yourself than what you have heard others say about him.

SSIPON:
God can restore eyesight.
God can raise the dead.
God can help you find your lost car keys.
God can heal the sick.
God can change your HIV status.
God can literally glue fallen ears back in place.

But, God cannot restore the limbs of amputees why?

Why is it that the so-called miracles are usually things that are easily faked, like blindness or an HIV test result.

Why do the so called miracles only happen in churches and not actual hospitals??

Have you seen replacement parts still being made for creations that would be phased out?

No Creator replaces parts of a creation undergoing phase out!

Period!

Ehiscotch:
I would ask why you are doing this and how it pertains to my holiness or godliness. God doesn't do things without purpose.

The question is "will you believe it?"

Workch:
The question is "will you believe it?"

Your understanding of the "mysterious ways" of God is the problem here. It means Buhari can claim to be God. God has a personality and he is not wavering or changing; he is the ancient of days, so No I won't believe you.

He is not going to say "Oh, Ehis. I want to prove you faithful and want you to argue in my favour on Nairaland so I'm gonna register and dispute with you about me". No, instead he creates a situation where I meet an atheist like you.

God has use of everybody but all to his glory and without overriding their freewill. So God doesn't need to be you to Do you.

God restores broken Limbs. And He has done so in me.

Workch:
Religion is the only business that blames the customer for its inefficiencies

Knowing the One True GOD is not religion/religious.
That's one thing you haven't figured yet because you never wanted to.

orunto27:
God restores broken Limbs. And He has done so in me.

Wow. Hallelujah. You are a miracle. I believe God's major solution to disaster is to prevent us from disaster but we mostly are ignorant and deluded in conceit that we go on and suffer for it then turn to blame God and expect a miracle. Many times God shows mercy and asks us to turn for him to heal us; other times he uses man's failures to his glory still. Praise God.

That one is very obvious and cannot be faked by any body or any pastor, that's why it never happens. That's why when an amputee is taken to church, nobody attempts to pray to restore the lost body part,because they know deep down that miracles aren't real. If Faith as little as mustard seed can move mountains, restoring lost limbs shouldn't be a problem. Christianity is a joke.

Ehiscotch:
Wow. Hallelujah. You are a miracle. I believe God's major solution to disaster is to prevent us from disaster but we mostly are ignorant and deluded in conceit that we go on and suffer for it then turn to blame God and expect a miracle. Many times God shows mercy and asks us to turn for him to heal us; other times he uses man's failures to his glory still. Praise God.

Disposed

Kayberg:


Knowing the One True GOD is not religion/religious.
That's one thing you haven't figured yet because you never wanted to.

say this until you believe it

Vespasian, the new emperor, having been raised unexpectedly from a low estate, wanted something which might clothe him with divine majesty and authority. This, likewise, was now added. A poor man who was blind, and another who was lame, came both together before him, when he was seated on the tribunal, imploring him to heal them, and saying that they were admonished in a dream by the god Serapis to seek his aid, who assured them that he would restore sight to the one by anointing his eyes with his spittle, and give strength to the leg of the other, if he vouchsafed but to touch it with his heel. At first he could scarcely believe that the thing would any how succeed, and therefore hesitated to venture on making the experiment. At length, however, by the advice of his friends, he made the attempt publicly, in the presence of the assembled multitudes, and it was crowned with success in both cases.
- Seutonius - Life of the 12 Caesars

Ehiscotch:
Your understanding of the "mysterious ways" of God is the problem here. It means Buhari can claim to be God. God has a personality and he is not wavering or changing; he is the ancient of days, so No I won't believe you.

He is not going to say "Oh, Ehis. I want to prove you faithful and want you to argue in my favour on Nairaland so I'm gonna register and dispute with you about me". No, instead he creates a situation where I meet an atheist like you.

God has use of everybody but all to his glory and without overriding their freewill. So God doesn't need to be you to Do you.

Just answer the question like this.
Yes

No.

Answer it like that.

Will you believe if I tell you that I am god?

Go on and answer it with a yes or no. I am not interested in your why

Workch:
Just answer the question like this.
Yes

No.

Answer it like that.

Will you believe if I tell you that I am good?

Go on and answer it with a yes or no. I am not interested in your why

He will divert or turn your statements upside down


He won't do the needful


So

You should deduce that he is a waste of time


He's still addicted Bible stuff

Workch:
Just answer the question like this.
Yes

No.

Answer it like that.

Will you believe if I tell you that I am good?

Go on and answer it with a yes or no. I am not interested in your why

He will divert or turn your statements upside down


He won't do the needful


So

You should deduce that he is a waste of time


He's still addicted to Bible stuff

HellVictorinho:



He will divert or turn your statements upside down


He won't do the needful


So

You should deduce that he is a waste of time


He's still addicted Bible stuff

I will keep asking him until he answers it.

I'm only answering this because I desire not to assert superior knowledge but to speak of the Truth, which is folly to the world. Perharps, someone out there is truly seeking answers and might be convinced to read the bible and if they are really sincere will discern the truth and be saved.

Workch:
Just answer the question like this.
Yes

No.

Answer it like that.

Will you believe if I tell you that I am god?

Go on and answer it with a yes or no. I am not interested in your why

No.

Ehiscotch:
No.

So on what ground do you believe that Jesus was born without fertilization and disbelieve that I am God talking to you in a mysterious way?

Workch:
So on what ground do you believe that Jesus was born without fertilization and disbelieve that I am God talking to you in a mysterious way?

I'm struggling, I'm really struggling with how you think both situations are alike or have the same premises or basis. Such false set of alternatives you all present when you ask questions. It's so hackeyned that your next response will be "just answer the question".

Kayberg:


It's not about the tithe.
See where your thought headed to.
It's about what you're willing to do for the money.
And mind you, GOD builds anyone, regardless of you believing or not believing on HIM.

So people are poor because they don't have any good thing they are willing to do with the money.
U think Elon musk mars mission, or Jeff bezo sponsoring a company to find the cure to death is the reason god is blessing them.

So what's the point of prayers if god builds anyone.