kmcutez:


I have no idea. I think Irri is a number in Isoko. Might be wrong. Not sure about Ada.

Ada is 100% Igbo word, I am sure you know that. You must have seen 1000s of people by that name.. Ada means, "daughers of the land or sometimes title for the first daughter.

Irri/Iri is a number in Igbo... Ada Irri becomes 10 daughters.. Numbers is a very common place-naming pattern/tradition amongst Igbos. Some of the 1000s examples are Mba-ISE. Mba - ANO, Umunna- ATO, Isuikwu- ATO.... These are known places and the capitalised words are numbers.

SlayerForever:



Bolded: I won't call it mixing

I think Isoko is actually a hybrid tribe descended from Urhobo and Igbo. But it's a wild but calculated guess don't be offended.

You are very correct in your calculated guess. Get a language map of Delta state and you'll see clearly that Isoko is sandwiched between Igbo and Urhobo communities. It appears that Isoko language though heavily tilted towards Urhobo contains more of Igbo words and a good number of them easily understand Igbo. Even the Isokos know that some of their communities were founded by Igbos. Sadly, some of them will ignorantly today replace the word Igbo with Aboh just like that lady has been doing. They think it makes any difference. You can see how she's already claiming that Igbo speaking communities(Ndoni) in an Igbo dominant area are Isokos. Isn't it funny?

Fejoku:

You are very correct in your calculated guess. Get a language map of Delta state and you'll see clearly that Isoko is sandwiched between Igbo and Urhobo communities. It appears that Isoko language though heavily tilted towards Urhobo contains more of Igbo words and a good number of them easily understand Igbo. Even the Isokos know that some of their communities were founded by Igbos. Sadly, some of them will ignorantly today replace the word Igbo with Aboh just like that lady has been doing. They think it makes any difference. You can see how she's already claiming that Igbo speaking communities(Ndoni) in an Igbo dominant area are Isokos. Isn't it funny?

Calling them Aboh or stylishly insinuating they may be Isoko communities na just play nọ worry

Isoko being a hybrid ethnicity of Igbo and Urhobo is a real (but funny) possibility

Dreambeat:
You are absolutely right. I am from Oru in Imo. I remember while growing up I use to hear the term 'Oru Na Igbo' meaning Oru and Igbo, among my people

The land and waters as was taught here. I have learnt!

Fun fact : If Isoko are hybrid of Urhobo and Igbo it may explain why the people were not comfortable under the Urhobo shadow

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SlayerForever:



Calling them Aboh or stylishly insinuating they may be Isoko communities na just play nọ worry

Isoko being a hybrid ethnicity of Igbo and Urhobo is a real (but funny) possibility

Isoko is a mixture of mostly Urhobos and Igbos. Ijaws and other edoids also added to the mix to create the feeling of distinction Isokos cling to when they disclaimed to be Urhobos. Some names of their communities confirm this. It isn't a hybrid like you called it.
One can clearly see that most of the Edoid tribes of the lower central delta like the Epie-Atissa, Egenni, Degema etc travelled through Isokoland before getting to their present location. You see language and the names of communities really tell a lot about a people's origin. No matter how they try to hide it, it always exposes their lies.

kmcutez:


I asked her to clarify and she said Isoko people were not the original people. She said the original people were the Aboh people. She said her mom is Aboh and her dad is Isoko, and that village is her mom’s village. That is where the dad met the mom. In that clan in Delta state they speak both Aboh and Isoko, and the 3 remaining clans in Rivers state speak mainly Aboh. Hope this clarifies issues. She said her mom’s mum is Isoko and her mom’s dad is Aboh. My dad is from Ada Irri, Isoko South LGA. My goodness this is too confusing for me. She kind of hinted that Isoko and Aboh people have really mixed over the years, so most of them have Aboh and Isoko blood.

I told you last time that you are the most confused human on earth and your confusion also dey confuse me. You are neither here nor there. It's better you choose either Isoko, Aboh, Ika Edo or Urhobo so that your own children will not partake of this identity crises.

Ekealterego:

Don't be angry, you were not clear enough with the quote you referenced first and it is ambiguous... You have to know that on Nairaland, there are many people who rather come to attack the Igbos for no reason rather than contributing constructively... I understand what you meant with your post.

However, Agbor is not an Edo word... There are 100s of communities and villages bearing Agbor either as a suffix, prefix or stand-alone name on the eastern side of the Niger... The problem is that most people live in a bubble.. Many examples exist, from Agbonta, Agboukwu, etc.

read the article I quoted. He specifically said Agbor was was derived from the word, agbon meaning world. Igbos don't call world or people agbọn it's Edos that call world or human being agbọn

Fejoku:

Isoko is a mixture of mostly Urhobos and Igbos. Ijaws and other edoids also added to the mix to create the feeling of distinction Isokos cling to when they disclaimed to be Urhobos. Some names of their communities confirm this. It isn't a hybrid like you called it.
One can clearly see that most of the Edoid tribes of the lower central delta like the Epie-Atissa, Egenni, Degema etc travelled through Isokoland before getting to their present location. You see language and the names of communities really tell a lot about a people's origin. No matter how they try to hide it, it always exposes their lies.

On the other hand if they were hybrids of both you would have more Igbo elements about them. I don't think there is sufficient knowledge of these to conclusively say they Isoko are descended from both groups. Diffusion of cultural elements from near groups can easily be mistaken for shared

kmcutez:


Lol.

Igboid:
Exactly.
We are coalescing. But many clannish people don't like this.
They are usually too invested in seeing the influence of other Igbo clans on their own clan, without paying interest to how their own clan are influencing others.
Let me invoke one of them. ChinenyeN, present yourself here for some flogging. Lol!

It’s a terrible loss all around for all lectal communities, and pan-Igboism as it stands is just not worth it. But I guess it’s inevitable considering the effects of colonialism and Christianity on Igbo-speaking communities’ self-identity (and lectal utility).

SlayerForever:



On the other hand if they were hybrids of both you would have more Igbo elements about them. I don't think there is sufficient knowledge of these to conclusively say they Isoko are descended from both groups. Diffusion of cultural elements from near groups can easily be mistaken for shared

You don't get. The word Hybrid is rarely used for human relationship as it connotes the classification of either of the contributory group being weaker and the other strong. It's rarely used for humans and best suited for non-humans.

Fejoku:

You don't get. The word Hybrid is rarely used for human relationship as it connotes the classification of either of the contributory group being weaker and the other strong. It's rarely used for humans and best suited for non-humans.

Okay. What's a good word to use.

Ekealterego:

Nporo people are still stubborn and incredibly strong till today although a bit like the less successful in business and till today... They are part of the warrior clans like Abiriba, Ohafia, Edda, and Abam from around that area.
Although the Abiriba and many Ohafia communities have had very very great people like Eni Njoku, Ebitu Ukiwe, Ojo Maduekwe, Kalu Idika Kalu, with loads of people in entertainment like uche Jumbo, Ruggedman, J. Martins etc. Nporo seems to be a little behind but their socialization and pride in their culture are just as strong as anywhere in that area.
Nkporo people In Aba or even Lagos, usually live together in an area and I bet you other groups are afraid of them cos you better not mess with one of them but on the other hand, they are very very cool... The Nporo people will travel in chartered "Gwongworo", "911" lorries in those days, (I do not know about the last 10 years) with their mattress. bed frames and pillows and buckets, etc (I did find this hilarious). The Abiriba brothers do find these heavy logistics traveling a lil bit embarrassing since those ones are usually richer on average. LOL

Some of the Cross-Riverians definitely have some Akwa-Ibom or Cross-River mixing... In Ehugbo (Afikpo) some of their names are just unique to the place (Idu, Eleje, Ibiam, Igariwey, Otti, Ukpabi, Ukpai etc). Abirba people claim to be from somewhere from Bahumono and of course Aro, Abam and other Igbo mixing, (There are a lot of places called Ebiriba or Ebiribiri in Akwa and Cross)... They have the unique culture and dancing and pride in their autonomy but one thing that contrasts these people with the Igbos in Rivers for example is that they are some of the most passionate about the Igbo consciousness... They see their culture as a contribution., not only to themselves but to the Igbo Nation and they will tell you any opportunity they get.

Thanks for this great contributions. You just enriched my knowledge of those parts of Igboland.

Igboid:
Ok. Thanks. I was just trying to determine if Ufu/Uru/Uhu has something to do with origin of a town, ie where they sprouted, as in "ifu" to germinate/sprout.

The sound shifts show a different etymological pattern in proto-Igbo reconstruction.

Ipu, ifu, iwhu, ipfu, ivu, etc points to a potentially older bilabial sound that might be reminiscent of “-pw-“.

Uhu, uru, etc points to an older, potentially “s”-type sound in linguistic reconstruction.

These words show vastly different reconstructions. The tone patterns are also different, suggesting different etymologies.

ChinenyeN:


The sound shifts show a different etymological pattern in proto-Igbo reconstruction.

Ipu, ifu, iwhu, ipfu, ivu, etc points to a potentially older bilabial sound that might be reminiscent of “-pw-“.

Uhu, uru, etc points to an older, potentially “s”-type sound in linguistic reconstruction.

These words show vastly different reconstructions. The tone patterns are also different, suggesting different etymologies.

Ok. Thanks.
Do they have Uhu/Uru/Ufu named places in Ngwaland?

Walkee:
read the article I quoted. He specifically said Agbor was was derived from the word, agbon meaning world. Igbos don't call world or people agbọn it's Edos that call world or human being agbọn

I know what you mean or what the article says, however, people from that area sometimes theorise the meaning of their place names wrongly and displayed in the article.

Agbor/Abo/Agbo is literarily in almost every local government in Igbo land. Igbo place naming patterns especially in that area do make default reference to physical geography (relief) of the area or position of a place in reference to a settlement.

In Delta North for instance, many of the place name patterns follow that trait.

Oshimili (River), Igbouzo (Igbo by the road), Enuani (upland), Ukwuani (lowland or "foot land", Akwukwu Igbo (Igbo by the side), Elugu (hill), Agbor (down or farthest) and Agbor reflects this, given that it is basically almost the farthest "Igbo speaking" groups towards the border with Edo state. (I use Igbo speaking, because the actual political/ethnic identity is divided).

Fejoku:

Isoko is a mixture of mostly Urhobos and Igbos. Ijaws and other edoids also added to the mix to create the feeling of distinction Isokos cling to when they disclaimed to be Urhobos. Some names of their communities confirm this. It isn't a hybrid like you called it.
One can clearly see that most of the Edoid tribes of the lower central delta like the Epie-Atissa, Egenni, Degema etc travelled through Isokoland before getting to their present location. You see language and the names of communities really tell a lot about a people's origin. No matter how they try to hide it, it always exposes their lies.

Igbo and Isoko share nothing in common, Isoko are lazy forsaken people.

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kmcutez:


My mom is Isoko from Ndokwa East. She said 3 of her clans are in Rivers state, while the remaining one is in Ndokwa East in Delta state. Is that the Ndoni in Rivers state?

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Any Isoko you see in ndokwa east is settler that come for business ,no Isoko village in ndokwa east get that into your head.

CBNwords:


Ada...

Sire

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kmcutez:


Please don’t quote me again if you can’t be civil.

If I quote you what will you do
You and your people are nothing than dry gin drinkers nonsense.
No Isoko land in ndokwa east take note.

Nwanyiogwashi:
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No single Isoko village in ndokwa east the earlier your people focus on your two local government the better for you people.

LOL... why you dey give her back to back...

Maybe she just wants to learn and she is getting some clarity. LOL stray bullets everywhere.

I hope you enjoyed or still enjoying your time in Switzerland.

Ekealterego:

LOL... why you dey give her back to back...

Maybe she just wants to learn and she is getting some clarity. LOL

I hope you enjoyed or still enjoying your time in Switzerland.

She knows what she's doing that is Isoko behavior and my own is to tell her the truth.
No Isoko land in ndokwa east.

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Fejoku:

If no one speaks Igbo in your village in Ndokwa East then you can forget about having any extension in Ndoni because there's no single Isoko community in the ONELGA, Rivers state. Ndoni speaks only Igbo just like Egbema in the same LGA. Ogba has some more Igbo dialects that are a bit divergent but is still Igbo. No single trace of Isoko.

Please better respect your old age if you don't know history please ask around,
Who told you that their are Isoko village in ndokwa east? Where did you get that from?

Nwanyiogwashi:


Igbo and Isoko share nothing in common, Isoko are lazy forsaken people.

I'll have to disagree with you nwanyi oma. History is replete with footprints that helps us identify whatever we share. Some might be wanted while others unwanted but the truth has to be said the way it is. I always thought Isokos where an Igbo group during my childhood days because of how I interacted with one family as a whole during my primary school days. It was a wealthy and large family of about three wives. One of the wives spoke Igbo to me even when my friends don't speak Igbo. It's the popular Asieba family in my childhood neighbourhood I'm talking about. Today I know they aren't an Igbo group but I still clearly see that link like yesterday. It is what it is.

Fejoku:

I'll have to disagree with you nwanyi oma. History is replete with footprints that helps us identify whatever we share. Some might be wanted while others unwanted[b] but the truth has to be said the way it is. I always thought Isokos where an Igbo grou[/b]p during my childhood days because of how I interacted with one family as a whole during my primary school days. It was a wealthy and large family of about three wives. One of the wives spoke Igbo to me even when my friends don't speak Igbo. It's the popular Asieba family in my childhood neighbourhood I'm talking about. Today I know they aren't an Igbo group but I still clearly see that link like yesterday. It is what it is.

For you to think that Isoko is Igbo show your lack of history, on what basis were you linking great Igbo to Isoko? Igbo are not lazy and don't sit one place and wait for free money.
No single Isoko land in ndokwa east.

Igboid:
Ok. Thanks.
Do they have Uhu/Uru/Ufu named places in Ngwaland?

This is actually one of the few things that shocked me and I had to look into it. “Uhu” in place names is rather uncommon for the area. In short, from what I gathered, it’s really predominantly eastern Ndoki that have “uhu” prevalently in place names. For the rest of the area, “uhu” is known as a word, though “ulo/uro” is more commonly used.