TMKsouth:


We want to regain control of the immigration system and have vetted people that we actually want in the country, and with critical skills or seeking asylum from anywhere in the world. Not all of Africa and it's criminals.

morpheus24:


If your previous Mayor was a reasonable man I could reason with his drive to rid communities of criminal elements, however he does not articulate this in any of the speeches I have heard and simply positions himself as a savior of all things wrong in Gauteng. A good politician but a terrible leader.

He cannot and does not articulate the differences amongst immigrant communities in addressing poignant issues, instead everyone is lumped together and attacked for the dubious purpose of galvanizing your vote.

IF you wish to attack criminality then attack criminality first, then come to the subject of perceived competition with unskilled labor forces in South Africa. I have heard most of his speeches and sorry my friend that man instigates rather than communicates. My opinion.

TMKsouth:


BREAKING NEWS: He's back!

Coalition of ActionSA, DA, ACDP, COPE and FF+

morpheus24:


Point 1. So the government you elected is complacent in your plight?

Point 2. So when you target foreign national communities, do you target them all or you target these brothels, hijacked buildings and drug dens? Why do you loot these foreign stores and steal peoples goods?

So in your efforts to rid your society of miscreants , "innocents" like your precious South Africans are hurt in the cross fire. Oh I understand now.
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IronGalaxy:
For real? don't say

TMKsouth:


Yebo! They're gonna ironed out a few things over the weekend, but basically it's a done deal especially after EFF reported talks had failed with the ANC.

https://ewn.co.za/2021/11/19/coalitions-mashaba-tipped-to-return-as-joburg-mayor-with-williams-in-tshwane

IronGalaxy:
Now this is seriously good news

JAWBONE:


There's a difference between loving foreigners and kissing their ass. Here in Nigeria, no white man can make anybody feel inferior. The white population are 99% expatriates. We don't have a problem of racial domination.

About hating ourselves, Nigerians are very competitive
A country of over 200 ethnic groups, there is bound to be friction. And that friction is mostly political.

Meaning you agreed with me that Nigerians hate themselves because of ethnic diffrences then what is uniting us since we don't have anything in common?

TMKsouth:

fergie001:

In Nigerian, we are different. If my relatives children go wrong in my home, we discipline them.

Their relatives entrusted them to me the moment I give them shelter, food and protection. In Nigeria, one person doesn't train a child. Anybody who tells you that you need to send foreign nationals out before disciplining your own is averse to modern realities. You know I am well-tuned with the SA mass media, if you want us to begin to address the nationalities of crimes committed in your Country and those involved, we can carry out the assignment.

<sup>[/sup] We're talking about illegal migrats - they were not entrusted to SA, frankly speaking - they forced their way in. And yes, SA has its own criminals but there's also a significant portion of undocumented and unemployed migrants who engage in crimes.

I'm glad u are well versed in SA news - what nationalities are the people called Zama Zamas who are involved in illegal mining and murders in that industry? [sup]</sup>

To even say foreign nationals or migrants as you call them add nothing to the SA economy, this is fallacy, a terrible lie, a black lie as we call it here. If they add nothing to the SA economy, then why can't the locals provide competition. If you know they add nothing, provide competition and edge them out rather than saying they should leave it all for you.

^{[/sup] It's also a fallacy to say all foreign nationals are businessmen in SA, come on now. It's also a black lie to say there are no black South Africans in business either - that's actually malicious. I explained to u before that previously disadvantaged groups in SA need a leg up, so we're going in circles now when u say they should be competitive. It's denial of SA realities [sup]}

In South Africa, Immigrants have a positive impact on the government's fiscal balance, mostly because they tend to pay more in taxes yet you cannot edge them out.

^{[/sup] You need to differentiate between small-scale and big enterprises owned by foreigners. There hasn't been reliable proof that small-scale traders are tax compliant in SA, based on anecdotes of people close to them and the fact that the businesses are often not registered to begin with and rely on paying bribes to remain open. Obviously it's much easier pursue big business. [sup]}

Those in Pretoria know the truth that sending out foreign nationals cannot work, not today, not tomorrow. That is a fact. Your President, Cyril Ramaphosa in August before Parliament, also countered this idea of yours.

Your own, MTN came into Nigeria first and others joined suit. Today, Nigeria has glo but can't tell mtn to leave. The system wants competition. Mtn still have the highest number of subscribers yet others like 9mobile, Airtel won't leave.

Today, we have just DStv and gotv running here.....it is a business they have monopolised here in Nigeria but no one is asking them to leave. We know why there is not enough competition from homegrown as our own politicians get kickbacks to kill competition, yet Nigerians are not saying leave.

^{[/sup] South Africans are not against multinational investment or migration of people with critical skills. What we don't want is the suppression of poor, previously disadvantaged and under-skilled communities - they need protection. Wealthy EU right now is up in arms over a mere 2000 migrants sent their way by Belarus, but SA is forced to take in 5 million people, shut up and be competitive or else get labelled xenophobic. Not fair at all. People should ask themselves why their own countries are allowing their people to be scattered all over the place [sup]}

The rising tide of populism cannot distort what those in Mahlamba Ndlopfu know.

^{[/sup] Empowering South Africans locked out of the economy will produce the same outcomes as flooding the country with illegal people engaging in small-scale enterprise and a majority of them not paying taxes [sup]}

Again....To say, there are so much undocumented migrants unaccounted for in SA is a heavy indictment on your Govt. Do these foreign nationals teleport into the Country?
It is a heavy indictment on your Security Services, tighten up your immigration system, work with the embassies and fish them and deport them. It is simple.

^{[/sup] Every South African will agree with you on this one. That's why Mashaba did so well in the recent elections and Malema is being rejected by the electorate [sup]}

In Nigeria, even amongst our States, some undocumented persons are been deported to their respective States. It is new and seen as immoral for some but Governors here have started doing same.

<sup>[/sup] Sounds like what I told u Zim and Bots are engaging in and yet SA is unwilling to go that route. I guess its coz u said Mahlamba Ndlopfu knows what's up. But it's coming at the expense of social harmony

You can read a more balanced government document on the pros and cons of migrants in Gauteng cities here whenever you've got time:

https://pmg.org.za/committee-meeting/29125/ [sup]</sup>

TMKsouth:

IronGalaxy:
You want us to be like you and praise whitey for everything right? I'm beginning to see why racist white Americans get along so well with Nigerians

TMKsouth:


All South Africans admit the government has failed on illegal immigration and that the police force is increasingly corrupt. Why else would they take the law into their own hands?

Looting of foreign shops is a blend of criminality and destroying foreign-owned businesses so that they would be discouraged and return home.

morpheus24:


Right in your pursuit to justify lawlessness you want to understand that it is born out of frustration, therefore using looting as a defensive tactic is justified or in your own thinking "excused"

And you come here to lecture people about lawfulness. Hypocrite.

TMKsouth:


BREAKING NEWS: He's back!

Coalition of ActionSA, DA, ACDP, COPE and FF+

morpheus24:


You actually think I am somehow grieved that he becomes your Mayor, like I have a stake in the matter.**laughable**

I actually want to see what the mampara will do given his time. Lets see if he is able to perform the miracle that he professes.

If I were a gambling man, I would surely bet against it.

TMKsouth:


He did wonders in the 2 or so years he was mayor and residents noticed that and that's why they wanted him back. Business confidence was also at record highs in a decade or so. He also closed off many of the corruption channels that were used by the previous adminstration.

morpheus24:


Lets see what he does against the Illegals no?

We shall be back here discussing his success 5 years from now.

All Hail Mashaba, the people's savior

TMKsouth:


Atleast he's not an 80-year old with bust-up knees, using a walking stick, spending months in overseas hospitals and yet frontrunner to become the next president of a country with the median age of 18.

fergie001:

If illegal migrants force their way in, then force them out.

^{[/sup] That's what people have been calling for but the government is not acting, hence the public frustration and attacks. I'm not condoning them - just stating the cause [sup]}

I am trying to discountenance the idea of iilegal or undocumented migrants been responsible for every crime in SA.

^{[/sup] They're not, and some I socialise with and patronise their legit businesses. Others are indeed into crimes because there are no jobs in SA. This compounds an already bad situation. So source countries also need to account - however they blame SA. [sup]}

If you do the crime, do the time. For the Zama Zamas, you think we don't have these kinds of people in Nigeria?

^{[/sup] In SA illegal mining was unheard of because that industry is so professionalised. So this is a clear example of cultural contamination, for lack of a better term. Not to mention it's criminal. [sup]}

https://www.nairaland.com/3991864/illegal-chinese-miners-nabbed-plateau#59525835

https://www.nairaland.com/5881269/17-chinese-illegal-miners-fg

https://www.nairaland.com/5390914/44-illegal-miners-arrested-plateau#81785676

https://www.nairaland.com/5322257/6000-illegal-miners-flood-osun#80626345

This is just some of them......Should we tell the Chinese & Malians to leave the Country? We arrest them and prosecute them.

^{[/sup] Again, the authorities are doing very little about crime and illegal migration - why do u think SA is one of the most crime ridden countries in the world? So residents are doing their own policing. Mob justice against SA criminals also happens, it just doesn't make global headlines like stories labelled 'xenophobic'. [sup]}

In Summary,
I will not stand against any Govt who tightens up its borders against illegal migrants. They either get documentation or leave the Country.

For those who do their businesses legitimately, let them do their business under a conducive environment.

^{[/sup] Totally agree [sup]}

Again, let me ask: What does South Africans really want;
For undocumented migrants to leave their Country or to get documentation. We have to start from there.

^{[/sup] Mainly they want the numbers to be drastically reduced because they are also competing for things like free housing now (criminal syndicates sell government housing to foreigners while poor locals languish in shacks - people stay on the waiting list for years). Schools and clinics are becoming overwhelmed resulting in long queues and missing out on beds, for example). Jobs that can be done by South Africans should be done by South Africans (don't know if you've seen the controversy around truck driving). People with critical skills, seeking asylum, studying and visiting are welcome. [sup]}

The notion from most of the tweets seem to incline towards the former, I will hope I am wrong on that.

^{[/sup] Lesotho residents were actually given retrogressive special permits or something, and there was no outcry. I think there was something like that or still to come for Zimbos, not sure - for purposes of data capturing. For me I just want law and order, and employment and business opportunities for the vulnerable, even at the expense of foreign nationals if need be. Right now foreign nationals are preferred in order to cut costs. [sup]}

There are few things I try to address:-

-Documented Migrants aren't the reason crime goes unpunished. Crime is crime, it should have no coloration.

-Nobody has hijacked the informal sector. The Department of Small Business Development should know do their jobs.

-Tell Rama & Aaron @ the DHA to do their jobs.

^{[/sup] It's been a 3 decade long discussion and now the people are what we call 'gatvol'. [sup]}

What I am telling you is the SA Govt is trying to do this by-the-books so that it will not have heavy implications because surely it will. Let us let love lead.

^{[/sup] They're giving more than everyone else on the continent where they have refugee camps and migrants aren't allowed to mingle with citizens. Curtailing those freedoms a bit won't necessarily result in human rights violations. [sup]}

morpheus24:


That is true but if that statement is supposed to stare some sort of annoyance on my part, it fails woefully.

The comparison with a military dictator with an education of grade 12 who forced his way into political power and has really nothing to give to his people is not a good juxtapose to a local mampara from Ga-ramatose who also finished at grade 12, exploited his people by selling them dangerous hair products that fried their "kaffir" hair and is nostalgic of the days when he ran around the streets of ramatose and Rankuwa when there were no "foreigners" is a poor comparison if you ask me

But hey I concede, I do see some similarities.

TMKsouth:


He's nostalgic of those days coz there were no hijacked buildings, overpopulated decaying CBDs and 'Worst Africans' on every dark street corner playing chemist. And he's actually proven his worth in just 2 years that he's the promise of a clean, peaceful and prosperous Johannesburg. In 2024 we will unanimously promote him to do the same on the national level while freshly minted President Tinubu in Nigeria turns 90.

Stegano:
Why is everyone crying to be in our country, yet we don't even wish to be in your countries.

Geenosko:


Awwwww, I must have touched a nerve. It's very unlike you to be using swear words you are usually very civil in your responses.

1. I'm doing my tiny bit.
2. I'm just saying if you guys have the "balls" to reclaim the means of production from the whites...

Black South Africans also look for menial jobs, kidnap ,drug and rape people every day. so what's your point? Criminality has no gender.

Don't get me started on GBV, or is it immigrants that caused that too?

Na, I'm not illegal

Finally read this slowly

No immigrant has taken your job. You were laid off by a capitalist who required cheap labor and took advantage of that immigrant to increase his profits, and nothing makes him happier than to hear you blame the immigrant and not him.


I'm sure you have heard of White Monopoly Capital abi?

I really like engaging you but today, you have let emotions becloud you usual logical way of reasoning.

This is a documentary on inequality by DW, watch it and be honest with yourself. I know immigrants do shady stuff but they aren't the cause of South Africa's problem



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71-jlOvrUFc

About that post you sent about 60% of people arrested for crime for Gauteng are illegal immigrants, it's pure nonsense. See why here

https://issafrica.org/iss-today/do-foreigners-really-commit-sas-most-violent-crimes

Princedapace:


Thanks.. I doubt I will choose to stay in SA though

morpheus24:


yet South the commissioner of police can safely state that 60% of suspects of violent crimes in "GAUTENG" are foreign nationals. Hmmm?



To rebut the point on the so called inability for law enforcement to identify NON SOUTH AFRICANS during arrests means when you catch a Malawian foreign national, arrest him, finger print him and he comes up no within the system, you can't investigate further to determine that he has no "South African" identity at that point? Hmmm?

So a Nigerian criminal can claim origins in South Africa just by stating that he is Zulu neh!. There are not other means to determine if he is non South African when he is apprehended. Bunch of bull crap.

As against your little dubious post there on 60% of arrests in Gauteng being foreign nationals here is an excerpt from an article countering the so called stats on that information. This is why you guys need to investigate such statements.

Lionessza6:


Lol,I understand and I still wish you the best ,you're really what we need in Africa.

kikuyu2:


Sis,as ever you see things clearly! Unlike most black people you're not emotional-our greatest failing as a people. You can at least view empirical evidence and make logical conclusions. Did you closely observe the November Steal? Black Americans had the lowest unemployment rate ever since records were kept!


https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/06/economy/black-unemployment-rate/index.html

OTOH,Biden moved for the mass incarceration of Blacks in 94.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/22/black-americans-joe-biden-democratic-party-relationship

If you know anyone in the US they can tell you the most FKed up places are Democrat RUN. There are entire abandoned blocks in Baltimore,Detroit,Philly and big towns looking like this. The Dems have ruled them for a half century! Trump greatly improved his black vote from 8% in 2016 to at least 20% during the Steal.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-men-drifted-democrats-toward-trump-record-numbers-polls-show-n1246447

I'm still convinced Biden was rigged in-all those mass 3 am vote dumps were fishy but returning to the issue:many blacks voted against the man who gave them jobs for the guy who instituted their mass incarceration by the private prison biz in support of a political system that put them in crime ridden slums for half a century!

What. The. Entire. FK

Edit: I brought up this with a cuz who thought deeply for 5 seconds and seeing Harris' future succession said: "black don't crack!"

Koolspot:
Too bad that Africans don't want to accommodate their fellow Africans.
What a shame.

Lionessza6:

fergie001:

It's a worldwide thing now......Here isn't any better.

TMKSouth dislikes Malema....I hope he is @ the Sekhukhune Stadium for the EFF "Thank You" rally.

How do you call it? #Siyabonga right?

**runs out of the thread****