killyaselfie:


If you did, you probably wouldn’t be here yapping and advocating for their god or any other god.

Lol..

Their stories captures reality vividly...

The letter killeth the spirit giveth life...

killyaselfie:


Question yours first. You are in no position to criticize anyone’s faith!!!

And stop mentioning “learning” as if you are capable of improving Max’s knowledge.

His stance towards the JWs is similar to your obsequiousness towards the Jews.

Who is this newbie?

Crawl back to where you came from...

MaxInDHouse:

But you are improving shey?

You can say that a million times and won't be wrong...

killyaselfie:


So god is a fancy way of referring to nature so people like me can know right from wrong.

You’re wrong about that because this god/nature /whatever-else you claim they speak of doesn’t determine right or wrong. So I guess people like me aren’t fooled.

If this god of the Jewish scribes is just a device to control people, why are you all over this forum advocating for this god?
Why are you claiming that it gave commandments and laws?

Advocating for what?

I only said their concept of God is similar to the igbo concept. I follow my igbo omenani. I only quote the Jewish scriptures just to let people know Jesus has got nothing to do with God of the jews and is a creation of the Roman empire...

killyaselfie:
High Priests of Judaism wrote the first part while hellenized Jewish eclectic philosophers wrote the New Testament.

Both groups were inspired and borrowed from more ancient cultures in Egypt and Ethiopia ( known parts that of Africa), Sumeria, Assyria, and Persia.

An example of more a ancient culture that inspired the scriptures is found in the episode of Jesus’ wise men who represented Zoroastrianism and the originators of the astral allegories that the New Testament borrowed from.

Also, it’s always been known by the learned that the scriptures are allegorical and the gods are mythical. Regardless of allegories and myth, often times it’s nonsense.

e.g. in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth is geocentric nonsense.

If the writers composed genesis in this epoch, they would write something such as, “in the beginning god created the heavens. On the fourth day, he gathered the best part of the heavens and created the earth”.

It would still be nonsense, but it wouldn’t be so wrong and senseless.

A lot of people try to claim their god created the universe instead of “heavens and earth”, but the writers didn’t even know what a universe is.
I’m still waiting for the sun or other star to fall into the earth.

I guess you don't understand my question.
Even if the high priests and philosophers wrote the bible, how were they aware of these private conversations?

Such as the conversation between Adam and God, Eve and the serpent, Abraham and Isaac on his way to sacrifice his son, Moses and God in the burning Bush, Jacob and God on his way to Panam where he dreamt of the ladder, and on his way to meet Esau when he wrestled with an angel, etc.
Elijah and God when he was running away from Jezebel, Elisha and Gihaz, etc.

These conversations were private with no one else around such as between Jesus and the Samaritan woman by the well, between Jesus and God at Gethsemane, between Jesus and the daughter of the centurion, between Jesus and Pilate when none of his disciples were around.

sonmvayina:
The bible is divided into two parts.

The Tanakh which comprises Genesis to Malachi. These book belongs to the jews. They were written by their scribes and elites. It is for their national religion called Judaism. The heart and soul of these is the Torah which contains God's laws.( Genesis to Deuteronomy) contrary to popular belief, the Torah was written by Ezra not Moses. Moses never existed. Ezra edited the babylonian Torah to arrive at its present form...which has remained unchanged since it was publish. They were written in Hebrew and Aramaic.
The second part called the new testament or the Christian testament is from Mathew to relegation. It was written by the Greeks and romans for the Roman empire. It was instigated by emperor Constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire. He called the presbyters to Nicea and after arguing for almost 15 years , christianity(catholic) was created as the official religion of the Roman empire..

That's another perspective.
I have read from various sources that the Torah was written by Moses.
And the Synoptic gospels written by their disciples they were named after eg Matthew wrote the book of Matthew, Mark wrote the book of Mark, etc.

My question is in these books, how were they aware of the private conversations they wrote about.

Myer:


I guess you don't understand my question.
Even if the high priests and philosophers wrote the bible, how were they aware of these private conversations?

Such as the conversation between Adam and God, Eve and the serpent, Abraham and Isaac on his way to sacrifice his son, Moses and God in the burning Bush, Jacob and God on his way to Panam where he dreamt of the ladder, and on his way to meet Esau when he wrestled with an angel, etc.
Elijah and God when he was running away from Jezebel, Elisha and Gihaz, etc.

These conversations were private with no one else around such as between Jesus and the Samaritan woman by the well, between Jesus and God at Gethsemane, between Jesus and the daughter of the centurion, between Jesus and Pilate when none of his disciples were around.

Poetic license.
license or liberty taken by a poet, prose writer, or other artist in deviating from rule, conventional form, logic, or fact, in order to produce a desired effect.

In layman’s terms: they were just making up stories.

When you hear or read similar incredible stories that are not in the Bible, do you maintain the same credulity?

efficiencie:


The books of Moses are books of prophecy sourced from visions, words of knowledge and words of wisdom. The gospels were biographical accounts of the life and works of Jesus. Hence they do not have to present in every event they wrote about.

This is probably the explanation.
But makes you wonder why we don't have such anymore. Such gifts seem like fiction in this generation.

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Myer:


This is probably the explanation.
But makes you wonder why we don't have such anymore. Such gifts seem like fiction in this generation.

Oh, I thought you were actually in pursuit of knowledge.

killyaselfie:


Oh, I thought you were actually in pursuit of knowledge.

You've shared your perspective, and others will share theirs.
I dont have to accept yours hook, line and sinker, except you want to be a knowledge extremist.lol
At the end of the day, knowledge is not one sided.

And trust me, I probably know more than you on this topic but would like to hear the perspective of others.

MaxInDHouse:
ATHEISM just a step from you, then all your self-deception will end!

As predictable and uncreative as always.
Your next statement will be how only JW is the only family on earth who have the answers right?
Even your brain is tired of your lack of creativity

sonmvayina:

You can say that a million times and won't be wrong...

Opinions differ jàre!

Myer:

As predictable and uncreative as always.
Your next statement will be how only JW is the only family on earth who have the answers right?
Even your brain is tired of your lack of creativity

PRODUCTIVE in deed!
Someone said:

"By their FRUITS (PRODUCTS) you will recognize them" Matthew 7:16

When you lied that you have a moniker you're using to propagate the gospel i laughed really loud because through your production with this moniker (Myer) anyone can easily read your mind!

MaxInDHouse:
PRODUCTIVE in deed!
Someone said:

"By their FRUITS (PRODUCTS) you will recognize them" Matthew 7:16

When you lied that you have a moniker you're using to propagate the gospel i laughed really loud because through your production with this moniker (Myer) anyone can easily read your mind!

And Matthew did not tell you here that he was having a vision like he told you below:

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew wasn't relating a literal event but a vision of what will happen in the nearest future!
It's a vision of what will happen in the future due to the sacrifice Jesus just made with his own blood. No dead bodies left their graves because resurrection will only take place when Jesus call {John 5:28-29} the one who will make that call is dead so it's a vision not literal event!

MindHacker9000:

And Matthew did not tell you here that he was having a vision like he told you below:

Just relax i've gotten readymade answers for all of you!

Jesus is the one talking there not Matthew!

MaxInDHouse:


Just relax i've gotten readymade answers for all of you!

Jesus is the one talking there not Matthew!

And Matthew that told you about his vision, was the one writing and it was not Jesus writing.

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew wasn't relating a literal event but a vision of what will happen in the nearest future!
It's a vision of what will happen in the future due to the sacrifice Jesus just made with his own blood. No dead bodies left their graves because resurrection will only take place when Jesus call {John 5:28-29} the one who will make that call is dead so it's a vision not literal event!

MindHacker9000:

And Matthew that told you about his vision was the one writing and it was not Jesus writing.

Do you read novels?
Well there are times when the author will QUOTE a character, that's exactly what Matthew did @ 7:16

Myer:


That's another perspective.
I have read from various sources that the Torah was written by Moses.
And the Synoptic gospels written by their disciples they were named after eg Matthew wrote the book of Matthew, Mark wrote the book of Mark, etc.

My question is in these books, how were they aware of the private conversations they wrote about.

They are not literal stories...they are spiritual stories...

Read it and learn the messages they contain ...

sonmvayina:

They are not literal stories...they are spiritual stories... Read it and learn the messages they contain ...

The highlighted makes the whole thing hilarious!
So they're not real stories yet you're talking about the Jews. How come the Jews are real people but their stories aren't real?
What about the Torah that was said to have been written by Moses?
Surely Moses is also not a real man, is he?

Myer:

My question is in these books, how were they aware of the private conversations they wrote about.

When God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) tell you "we are the one and only group of messengers sent to TEACH you what is written in our book (Bible)"
You will become provoked instead of to humble yourself and learn!

Well most Bible writers were contemporaries of those they talked about so they got many of their information through the character they wrote about and those present at the event.

For instance: After Jesus' baptism he was all alone without any disciples when God's Holy Spirit led him into the wilderness and many things happened there.
So how did his followers knew what transpired between Jesus and Satan?
Jesus must have told them since he doesn't hide anything from them! John 15:15

There's a similarity between Moses and Jesus, both of them spent 40 days and 40 nights in a place without food! Exodus 34:28; Luke 4:1-2

In the case of Moses all the information of how God created the heavens and the earth, Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other information God directly passed through His Holy Spirit to Moses during those 40 days and 40 nights.
That's why Moses was able to pen down many things that nobody knew.

Jesus' own was of two cases. By the time Jesus was born till his baptism he only knew that he's not ordinary human. All the memories of his heavenly life was hidden from him until the Holy Spirit landed on him and led him into the wilderness where he spent 40 days and 40 nights. All his memories was restored and how he will spend the rest of his earthly life no more as a skilled carpenter but a preacher and teacher of the good news for which he was sent! Luke 4:43

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:

PRODUCTIVE in deed!
Someone said:

"By their FRUITS (PRODUCTS) you will recognize them" Matthew 7:16

When you lied that you have a moniker you're using to propagate the gospel i laughed really loud because through your production with this moniker (Myer) anyone can easily read your mind!

It must be eating you up that you haven't been able to figure out my former moniker.

Anyway, pray tell what have you read in my mind uncle Max?

Myer:

It must be eating you up that you haven't been able to figure out my former moniker.
Anyway, pray tell what have you read in my mind uncle Max?

The highlighted is where the point is!

Everyone has gotten a past so you were once a believer in what's written in the Bible but when i knew you you're already becoming an atheist. That's why i always say "you're just a step away from ATHEISM" even though you don't want to admit it but keep saying you will not accept atheism there's nothing holding you back from turning against that book you once cherished so much!

I also have a former moniker, though i just want to chat with people but the way some will openly speak against the truth without remorse made me change from being just a commentator to a fearless defender of the faith!

So my conclusion after reading through you is that you're just feeling ashamed of yourself after all what you've typed here about your former beliefs, you would have preferred ATHEISM than believing in a book that you're now doubting!

Myer:


This is probably the explanation.
But makes you wonder why we don't have such anymore. Such gifts seem like fiction in this generation.

There are still gifts like that in operation but many would not like to see with their own eyes. They prefer calling men of God names, smearing all men of God based on the inadequacies of some errant men of God and refusing to do their own research. Yes there are fake men of God, errant men of God and confused religionists but I have also seen real prophets, healers, seers, teachers of deep mysteries whose explanation is not easily gleaned from the scriptures, scribes and psalmists and evangelists.

sonmvayina:


But the Jewish scriptures are all written in Hebrew or Aramaic .
The romans /Greek stole it and mistranslated it and added the new testament at the end of it to make it sellable...

What's your historical evidence for this?

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted is where the point is!

Everyone has gotten a past so you were once a believer in what's written in the Bible but when i knew you you're already becoming an atheist. That's why i always say "you're just a step away from ATHEISM" even though you don't want to admit it but keep saying you will not accept atheism there's nothing holding you back from turning against that book you once cherished so much!

I also have a former moniker, though i just want to chat with people but the way some will openly speak against the truth without remorse made me change from being just a commentator to a fearless defender of the faith!

So my conclusion after reading through you is that you're just feeling ashamed of yourself after all what you've typed here about your former beliefs, you would have preferred ATHEISM than believing in a book that you're now doubting!

When a righteous person commits a sin, does that make them a sinner?
Or when a sinner does an act of righteousness, does that make them a righteous person?

Don't be quick to judge what you know nothing about.
Don't be quick to make stereotypes of people.

That a babe has had sex with more than one guy, does that make her a prostitute?
That a guy has broken a heart before, does that make him a player?

My point being, that I choose to question Christian doctrines doesnt make me an atheist bro.
And I've mentioned this over and over again but the thickness of your skull is like the great wall of China.

If I was an atheist, I won't hide it. Cos this is a faceless forum. You do not know me and I do not know you.
While I do not owe you any expanation cos you're worth less than a kobo to me, but the fact remains that;

I pray to God.
I go to church.
I seldom pray through Jesus Christ. (cos i know God answers prayers not only through Jesus).

These are few reasons why I'm not an atheist.
If you say I'm not a Christian anymore, that is an argument I might still consider. But an atheist, I'm not.

Even though I do not see anything wrong in being an atheist. I was once one. But some how I rededicated my life to Christ and what I found after complete brokenness and service for some years was more religion.

So if your minuscule and fetal brain still cant comprehend that then your ignorance, religiosity and judgmentality have simply gotten the best of you. Cos that's a legion that even fasting and prayer can't deliver you from.

This by the way is the last time I'll respond to this.

efficiencie:


There are still gifts like that in operation but many would not like to see with their own eyes. They prefer calling men of God names, smearing all men of God based on the inadequacies of some errant men of God and refusing to do their own research. Yes there are fake men of God, errant men of God and confused religionists but I have also seen real prophets, healers, seers, teachers of deep mysteries whose explanation is not easily gleaned from the scriptures, scribes and psalmists and evangelists.

I wish I could believe such gifts are still in existence cos I'm yet to come in contact with anyone with it.

Myer:

I wish I could believe such gifts are still in existence cos I'm yet to come in contact with anyone with it.

Well if Queen Sheba thought it wise to travel miles upon miles from Ethiopia to Israel just so see with her eyes and hear with her ears the famed wisdom of Solomon then I think you can do the same. The privilege you have to today to be able to read of Moses, Elijah, Paul, Peter etc and their mighty acts is brought to you by those who preserved recorded evidence of what these men did...but today you don't have to wait for recorded evidence all you need do is walk into one of those churches where healings are being reported and see for yourself. If you are not convinced leave and check another. If you have checked enough and you find no convincing evidence then you can say to yourself that all the Bible says about men of the supernatural is more likely a hoax but if you are convinced then spread the word. It's that simple.

Myer:

This by the way is the last time I'll respond to this.

Your runaway comment always but when you find cases like a make up tale like some girl die for not accepting money from a religious organization you rush in to attack me saying you want to stone others for speaking out their mind.
You go to CHURCH but you don't pray in Jesus name, is enough for me.
So stop mentioning me if you don't want me to mention you because from this moment any time you mention me i will raise this topic again.
Farewell!

efficiencie:


The books of Moses are books of prophecy sourced from visions, words of knowledge and words of wisdom. The gospels were biographical accounts of the life and works of Jesus. Hence they do not have to present in every event they wrote about.

so how come they knows what happened to joshep the father of jesus in the dream?

From the SCROLLS AND SYMBOLS TO THE SEPTUAGINTS TO THE VULGATE TO CANTERBURY AND THE KING JAMES VERSION.

MaxInDHouse:

Your runaway comment always but when you find cases like a make up tale like some girl die for not accepting money from a religious organization you rush in to attack me saying you want to stone others for speaking out their mind.
You go to CHURCH but you don't pray in Jesus name, is enough for me.
So stop mentioning me if you don't want me to mention you because from this moment any time you mention me i will raise this topic again.
Farewell!

If theres anything I want you to make your new year resolution, pls avoid my threads and do not quote me for any reason.

I already know what you have to say because you are and will always be predictable. So just avoid me, otherwise I will be forced to make a case against you and Seun and his mods will have to create the block button because of pests like you.

I wish you well in your endeavours but pls just resist the urge to comment on any of my posts and threads.
Thanks in advance.

sonmvayina:


Because if it is not written God's laws, people like you can't tell the difference between right from wrong..

Yea...we are part of nature...

LoL! People were writing laws way before the Hebrews began to crystallise their language. Your favorite Hebrew myths are not the basis for how we know right and wrong, don't kid yourself.