Kobojunkie:
Is comprehension a major problem of yours or what?

So, you didn't even understand the implications of the claims you were trying there desperately to make or is it that your overlords aka GBs have yet to feed you their digest in this area?

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In case, you change your mind, the questions remain for you to ponder.

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The verse above does not answer the question unless you are suggesting that God, in His Old Covenant, somewhere stated that a High Priest had authority to render obsolete the Old Law. In that case, I ask that you present this scriptural evidence for us to see.

Jesus Christ was not of the tribe of Levi and so could not have been among the Old Covenant High Priests, this as set by God Himself!

So again...1a. First, do you at least see how Hebrews 10 vs 9 - 10 and Matthew 5 vs 17 - 19 since one contradicts the other?

1b. Look, call it what yo want but the fact is the Old Covenant is an eternal Covenant/Contract between God and the children of Israel,. Meaning the only two signers to this Covenant/agreement/Contract are God and the Jews, and hence the only ones who can fulfill said Covenant are , you guessed it, God and the children of Israel - no third-parties!

And as Jesus Christ told you there in Matthew 5 vs 17 - 19, He did not come to do away with the Law but to fulfill it.

So, the question to answer is this, did Jesus Christ come as God to fulfill the Law or did He come as a man/Jew to fulfill that Covenant, much like other Jews would.

2. God never promised the Israelites He would do away with the Old Covenant when the New Covenant arrived - both Contracts are everlasting and so remain binding to this day - every jew born into into world even today is born bound to the Old Covenant.

And at that, all Jews who become of Jesus Christ retain their claim to the promise of the Old Covenant in the New Covenant - Yes, they still have claim to the long life in the land of Canaan promised by God to them in the Old Covenant. Ofcourse Gentiles in the New Covenant do not have such a promise to lay claim to..

MaxInDHouse:

Actions speaks louder than words.
When Jesus said "love God and neighbours" he only summarized over 600 laws given to the Israelites in just one phrase.
So why was this two laws extended up to over 600? Well it's to help figure out lawless men in their society back then but since many Jews have gone to John the baptist to present themselves as willing Jews prepared to live by God's laws without being pestered. Jesus simplified things by giving them a summary of the whole laws!

YES! Matthew 16:6

YES!
Because at baptism a candidate signified with his action that he's prepared to start a new life living by the rules and regulations of the group that baptized him just as baptismal certificates approaching John knows fully well that they're prepared to surrender willingly to all the laws binding on fellow Jews.
So when Peter said "get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ" {Act 2:38} he is implying that his listeners must surrender to all the rules binding on Christ's followers {John 15:13} and anyone found disobeying be EXCOMMUNICATED! 1Corinthians 5:8-13

YES! God's word says we must not greet them again {Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11} because they've proved to be unfaithful after knowing what is good and vowing to live for the rest of their life in harmony with what they've learned {Ecclesiastes 5:4} their turning makes them worthless from the viewpoint of our Master Lord and King! Luke 9:62


I have answered using God's word as the basis for what i believe. Can you also do the same instead of talking about what i believe?
Please present what you believe using God's word to substantiate for us to know why your submission is of God!

Actions speaks louder than words.

When Jesus said "love God and neighbours" he only summarized over 600 laws given to the Israelites in just one phrase.

So why was this two laws extended up to over 600? Well it's to help figure out lawless men in their society back then but since many Jews have gone to John the baptist to present themselves as willing Jews prepared to live by God's laws without being pestered. Jesus simplified things by giving them a summary of the whole laws!

Do I have to find such teachings or doctrines in a religious denominations or organisation?
A. Yes
B. No

Do I look like a lawless person or must I submit to the rules of religious organization or denominations before I get called a lawful person?

Because at baptism a candidate signified with his action that he's prepared to start a new life living by the rules and regulations of the group that baptized him just as baptismal certificates approaching John knows fully well that they're prepared to surrender willingly to all the laws binding on fellow Jews.

YES! God's word says we must not greet them again {Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11} because they've proved to be unfaithful after knowing what is good and vowing to live for the rest of their life in harmony with what they've learned {Ecclesiastes 5:4} their turning makes them worthless from the viewpoint of our Master Lord and King! Luke 9:62

I have answered using God's word as the basis for what i believe. Can you also do the same instead of talking about what i believe?
Please present what you believe using God's word to substantiate for us to know why your submission is of God

achorladey:

Make I open cooler
The question was or my question was....
Are the religious denominations manufacturers of the Doctrines like love God and love neighbor?
You can see the lack of correlation with the answer up there
In reality religious denominations and organisations including yours don't manufacture the doctrine of love of God and neighbour
So why does abstaining from blood becomes abstain from primary or major blood fractions? It is to teach your traditions of 8 men and give room for lawless men in your midst. You see how your reason take be?
You answered yes you can only find it there because they equally get it from the source you and I know. The Bible. In reality it is not only in a religious organization or denominations you will find it.
You answered YES, but your reasoning did not tell you a person that decides to voluntary leave the organisation you belong is no longer subjected to your rules and choosing to follow the rules regarding disassociation does not make such person lawless. You added.....
Matthew 28:18 - 20 says what Jesus taught . Compare it what is the bold.
Irrelevant to the question asked.
You answered not my question but decide to use God's word to propagate your traditions of men and what you believe as you state clearly.

Nobody555:
I know your blind to the truth. Your still asking me to give you what i already presented.

1. Book of Hebrews no be part of God's word?
2. Jesus and Levi priests who is more greater? Or you don't accept the book of Hebrew as God words?

3. He came as the Messiah and brought a New perfect covenant that's once for all. Read the book of Hebrews from a-z

4. Your ideas are sure from the doctrines of men not from the bible as you claim.

MaxInDHouse:
Rebooting!
Post on 21st but response coming after 4 days as if this same commentator hasn't been replying other comments on this same thread!
Wahala dey for Okpoko!

MaxInDHouse:

Send the number you're using for browsing to my gmail and let's see what we can both do monthly for the data!

Kobojunkie:
Part of God's word, you say? But God's Word, we are told in scripture, refers to the Word out of God's Mouth and Jesus Christ is He. Your Bible is simply a collection of writings which document God's Word, the words of Satan, demons as devils along with the Opinion of men.

1. The book of Hebrews may be a book in your Bible, but I believe the author's work is meant instead as an opinion piece written of God. When God’s law of 2/3 witnesses, which requires that that every truth revealed through men to be established there must be at least 2 or 3 witnesses to same truth, is applied to what is written in it, we find that much of what is stated by the author is not backed by any witnesses in scripture. Instead a good portion of the author's ideas stands in contradiction with the Word of God Himself.

2. The Old Covenant Law/standard never gave to the High Priests, who were men drawn from the tribe of Levi, power to cancel the Law nor render it obsolete and this Law was God's agreement with the people of Israel.

Jesus Christ came as a Jew and He lived His life in complete submission to and obedience of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, in much the same way as any man would. He fulfilled the requirements of the Law as God required men to, and this by living without sin (holy), a righteous existence, and going to his death a righteous man.

In the future, the very same Jesus Christ will again return to fulfill God's end of the Old Covenant bargain when He will raise the Old Covenant righteous from the grave and grant then the promise of a long life in the land of Canaan. But so far, this part of the fulfillment is still to come.

You claim Jesus Christ is greater than the Levites and I ask again by the Old Covenant Standard set by God Himself, how is Jesus Christ greater than the Levites and the other Jews? Why set Him up for us as a High Priest, a title that belongs to the Levites?

3. Recall that Jesus Christ said, again, He did not come to abolish the Old Covenant but to fulfill it.

Where in the Old Covenant promise of a New Covenant tells us that the Messiah would cancel the Old Covenant, and explains this "once and for all" of yours?

Here's a clue! Stop regurgitating what you have swallowed from what you have read of only in the book of Hebrews, and instead find out where else in scripture the claims made are also to be found.

4. None of what I have said so far is of the doctrines and traditions of men. If you think it to be, be sure to point to it.

cornelboy:

I don send the email

achorladey:

That is to say ko SORO. I told you I kept it in my cooler

cornelboy:
You didn't accept the book of Hebrews, what book of the NT do you accept then?

Kobojunkie:
I never said I don't accept the book of Hebrews. I instead don't accept the doctrines and traditions of men which Jesus Christ warned were not of Him - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 . .

As I made clear to you what is declared in Hebrew 10 vs 9 - 15 cannot coexist with Jesus Christ's own decree in Matthew 5 vs 17 - 19 - the messages contradict each other. And since my trust is in Jesus Christ, every doctrine and tradition which stands in contradiction to His Word, I reject.

But it seems you would rather believe that which is written in Hebrews 10 vs 9 - 15 over that which Jesus Christ proclaimed, yet you avoid the questions that arise as a result of your belief. Why?

cornelboy:
1. You can believe what you want to believe.

2. Didn't Jesus fufill the law by bringing the new covenant?

cornelboy:
Why are the idols they worship? No be Catholics de bow to statues?
I am not Catholic.

MaxInDHouse:

He needs rebooting since he's disconnected from the chord through which others gets timely spiritual food. Matthew 24:45
You will never see him chatting with any other religionists nah only Jehovah's Witnesses yet he doesn't want to submit to those feeding Jesus' sheep.
That's why father Abraham said there is a great chasm fixed between us and them. Luke 16:24-26
The great chasm is nothing else than their heart condition, that's what hinders them from accepting help from the anointed ones!

You will never see him chatting with any other religionists nah only Jehovah's Witnesses yet he doesn't want to submit to those feeding Jesus' sheep.

The great chasm is nothing else than their heart condition, that's what hinders them from accepting help from the anointed ones!

cornelboy:





°First, GOD called humans gods.
John 10:33-36
[33]They replied, “We’re stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God.”
[34]Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’
[35]And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’
[36]why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God'? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.
°Second, God made Moses a 'God' unto Pharaoh
Exodus 7:1
New King James Version
So the LORD said to Moses: "See, I have made you as God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.

KJV
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet

*The early Bible manuscripts/ versions didn't have capitalization. Let say the verse was like this then; "in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god".....did capitalization change the meaning of the verse? No!

If you really want to understand the word "God" in Hebrew perspective, check out this link; https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/god-yhwh/hebrew-word-for-god.htm

Rosement:

Can Satan promote God's Truth?
What you did is more than criticizing. They are just false accusations though.

This comment belongs to your brother in faith, MaxInDHouse.

MaxInDHouse:


Yeah i know you're part of the CHRISTIANS with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines that makes you feel so ashamed that you can't even mention the name of the sect you belong out of the thousands of different religions all claiming denominations in Christendom!

MaxInDHouse:


You're still hiding your religion, shey?
Never mind, we understand!

achorladey:


You see how he looked elsewhere when I told him the founding father of the religious organization he belongs are IDOL WORSHIPPERS.

He boycotted it yet he will come back and say na blood palaver I carry for head

Rosement:

Who told you your opinion even matters? Do you think I will be bothered if you don't understand? Stop deceiving yourself, you are just a mere human being, nobody is looking for validation from you. Learn to emphasize your authority on your family members and your brothers in faith alone. This is not jw's forum or your father's house, this is a public forum so you are not higher than anyone and you have no authority over others, so think before you type

MaxInDHouse:


It's OK we understand!

Rosement:

Who told you your opinion even matters? Do you think I will be bothered if you don't understand? Stop deceiving yourself, you are just a mere human being, nobody is looking for validation from you. Learn to emphasize your authority on your family members and your brothers in faith alone. This is not jw's forum or your father's house, this is a public forum so you are not higher than anyone and you have no authority over others, so think before you type.

Rosement:

Who cares?

MaxInDHouse:

Thanks to JEHOVAH we are enduring the final part of the days!
Do you know i was really touched the year 2020 when a seemingly unserious student of mine said:
"you taught me that JWs issued the order to start preaching from house to house since 1919 after the release of J.F. Rutherford and his team?"
I responded "Yes"
Then he asked again:
"and ever since then you people have been doing this your preaching till now?"
I responded again "Yes"
He said:
"and it's exactly the year 2019 that another order from the same Governing Body came that you should stop visiting people in their homes"
I responded again "Yes"

His next question is:
"Please tell me, is God's Kingdom about to start so that i can quickly join you people?
How come it's precisely a hundred years that the same Governing Body asked you to stop visiting people?"
I said "because of Covid19 nah!"
He said:
"you know i always attend to you anytime you come, please i'm feeling somehow with the whole thing as you people started preaching in 1919 and stopped in 2019 due to COVID-19!"

This is a person who often dodge stylishly when we go for his Bible study o!

Vaccinations never prevented anything and never will, and is the most barbarous practices of an otherwise civilised nation

Rosement:

I don't accept Russell's version of the Bible and I don't believe his words either. Let just accept that we are both right. I am really not interested in arguing, believe whatever you want to believe, l will continue to hold on to my belief. If I am on the wrong path, Jesus will not even answer me when I address Him as God. I have got a lot of personal experience and the Holy Spirit has been working through me. Thanks again for your concern.

John1:1
New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

New Living Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

English Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Berean Study Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Berean Literal Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

King James Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

New King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

New American Standard Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

NASB 1995
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

NASB 1977
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Amplified Bible
In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.

Christian Standard Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

American Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
In the origin The Word had been existing and That Word had been existing with God and That Word was himself God.

Contemporary English Version
In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.

Douay-Rheims Bible
IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

English Revised Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Good News Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

International Standard Version
In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Literal Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;

NET Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God.

New Heart English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Weymouth New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

World English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;

cornelboy:
I didn't quote from NWT, i quoted from NLV and KJV and NKJV.
I didn't intend to argue too but have a fruitful discussion.
It's clear that my points are scriptural. I didn't quote no Russell's word.

Even if you hold to your believe, i want to drop the idea that JWs are worshiping Satan or they aren't christians and all that.

Jesus taught his followers to worship the Father (not Trinity) in spirit and truth.
Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world and didn't engage in politics. That's what the JWs do today. They don't join the military too.

It's obvious that they strictly follow Christ teachings and are not anti-christian.
Also they have the purest form of worship.
They don't use images in their worship like some churches do. God warned against using images and all that.


"Hear O Israel the lord your God is one!".
God almighty is not three persons but one person, men doctrines would make you think so.

The Bible aslo teaches that Jesus will return his rulership back to God the Father and Jesus will be subjected to God's rule. God the Father will be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28
Perhaps you didn't notice that no one knew Jesus untill he came to earth and the Israelites didn't worship Trinity Gods but one singular God YHWH.
Also God made Jesus everything he is. He gave him everything he has, the kingdom, name power, authority et al. He empowered Jesus for a purpose, to fulfill His will for the earth.

JWs believe that Jesus is a God but not just the Almighty GOD his Father.

Acts of the Apostles 2:36
[36]“So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

Peace be onto you [b][/b]

Rosement:

This is just your own assumption of what John 1:1. I don't agree with your view of the Bible but I have no interest in arguing with you. Peace be onto you too.

Rosement:

They have been brainwashed by that ignorant bloke, Russell. Some of them don't even understand that they are serving the devil and following wrong teaching.

MaxInDHouse:
i try sending you email, it says mail not sent.
dj450701@gmail.com mail me an I'll reply

cornelboy:

I laugh in Hebrew
Always accusing wrongly. Your criticism is what I find hard to understand. I thought you don't criticize when you first comment on my post.

Rosement:

I only gave you guys a taste of your own medicine. I am a human being not an angel, I have decided to reiterate.