Well, I have a friend who adopted a girl. No regrets.

Joke Sylva is also an adopted child.

maasoap:


Lol. You knew that your aunty is bad at parenting but you still went ahead to blame his biological parents you didn't know for what he's turning out be.
Are you blaming his dad or mum or both of them have the same characteristics? You see, that's why we say that many of you are dumb.

Fnck off!!! Are you in my family or do see what I see. Drop your fncking opinion & move on.

STEVE JOBS WAS AN ADOPTED SON and THE PARENTS NEVER REGRETTED HAVING HIM.

We have
IPHONE~62 TODAY,
Courtesy of STEVE.

The problems regarding adoption in Nigeria is based on bad system.

PoliteActivist:


I thought everyone knows this. That's one of the reasons inquiries are made b4 marriage.
See below

Unlike Blood genotype And straight genetical inheritable Genes like Dwarfism , Eye color, Sickle cell that you can easily draw dominant and recessive crossbreeds charts for,, There is no single gene that causes madness ! Madness is not a genetic disorder like blood group that one can pass from mother to Child.



There is no single gene that causes madness/psychosis. A combination of genetic and Environmental factors causes madness.
A combination of Negative Environmental factors are needed to trigger genetic predisposition. Negative Stressors include Hard drugs, Somatic diseases, Brain injuries (craniocerebral trauma), Undue stress during pregnancy, Malignant neoplasms (tumors both primarily in the brain and as metastases)
Infections (meningitis), etc.

[color=#006600] l know a neighbor who ran mad immediately after taking exactly same quantity of “hard drugs” that others were taking. His tolerance level for the hard drug was lower as a result of genetic predispositions. Someone else with a higher tolerance might need to take 4times or 10 times the quantity he took to be overdrugged intoxicated /even completely run mad!. Another person with a greater risk /genetic predisposition to something else could take exactly same quantity he took and suffer liver or kidney or organ damage!!!


Women generally are at a higher risk of the condition after giving birth. Doctors call such pregnancy/child birth stress triggered madness, “ postpartum psychosis”, characterized by a severe postnatal mood disorder. A 2021 study revealed that 1 – 2 out of 1000 births result in this type of mental disorder. The condition usually develops during adolescence or early adulthood, with the average age of onset being 24 years.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

I wish to adopt a baby girl .. How long does it take to process adoption and is it very expensive?

Yes Joseph in the Bible made a mistake to adopt Jesus of unknown father. When he grew up he started doing magic upandan and eventually he was convicted and exectuted for his crimes
Children who are raised by their biological parents never steal or do anything bad

PoliteActivist:


How can you say adoption is not worth it BASED ON ONE EXAMPLE??!!
So many very successful people and celebrities were adopted as a baby, and even some had a mentally ill biological parent (like Monroe). See below

Poor examples. In all these examples, the family lineage was known. You could trace grand parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. Adopting from an orphanage with no family history whatsoever. If you understand how energies interact, you will know that behaviours, allergies, addictions and other subtle features can be inherited.

Truthshotcrazy:


Unlike Blood genotype And straight genetical inheritable Genes like Dwarfism , Eye color, Sickle cell that you can easily draw dominant and recessive crossbreeds charts for,, There is no single gene that causes madness ! Madness is not a genetic disorder like blood group that one can pass from mother to Child.

That is why Madness is a “genetical predisposition/ genetical Susceptability”

Madness is never a genetic disorder but a genetic predisposition or genetic susceptibility!!!
Scientifically, this genetic predisposition is pegged at about 6.5% for humans who have a first degree mad relative, and pegged at 13% for humans who have one mad parent. It is even greater for an identical twin of a mad identical sibling twin!!!
That a person has a genetic predisposition to a trait doesn't mean that, that trait will ALWAYS find expression undecided...

For example...
diabetics can also be caused by genetics? That is to say, there is a genetic predisposition to diabetes....

However, not everyone who has this genetic predisposition to diabetes end up having diabetes, you know why?

That's because once they discover that they have a genetic predisposition to diabetes (usually from family history), they take measures to put it at Bay, avoid negative stressors that trigger diabetes and as such, they can live their lives without ever having diabetes although they have a genetic predisposition/vulnerability to it. People with no family history of diabetes can develop diabetes if no measures are taken to avoid or Limit effects of negative stressors/curtail the negative stressors known to trigger diabetes. Such as any overweight obesed person not exercising, simultaneously not cutting down on junk, etc

There is no single gene that causes madness/psychosis. A combination of genetic and Environmental factors causes madness.
A combination of Negative Environmental factors are needed to trigger genetic predisposition. Negative Stressors include Hard drugs, Somatic diseases, Brain injuries (craniocerebral trauma), Undue stress during pregnancy, Malignant neoplasms (tumors both primarily in the brain and as metastases)
Infections (meningitis), etc.

[color=#006600] l know a neighbor who ran mad immediately after taking exactly same quantity of “hard drugs” that others were taking. His tolerance level for the hard drug was lower as a result of genetic predispositions. Someone else with a higher tolerance might need to take 4times or 10 times the quantity he took to be overdrugged intoxicated /even completely run mad!. Another person with a greater risk /genetic predisposition to something else could take exactly same quantity he took and suffer liver or kidney or organ damage!!!


Women generally are at a higher risk of the condition after giving birth. Doctors call such pregnancy/child birth stress triggered madness, “ postpartum psychosis”, characterized by a severe postnatal mood disorder. A 2021 study revealed that 1 – 2 out of 1000 births result in this type of mental disorder. The condition usually develops during adolescence or early adulthood, with the average age of onset being 24 years.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

See why it is good to also rely on centuries of human observation instead of just science. It is not everything that science has discovered.
Even our ignorant forefathers KNEW from centuries of OBSERVATION that madness runs in families

AfroKnight:
nature vs nurture

Which is more potent?

The eternal argument

True.

JackDaAlienz:
Adoption is like suicide.
You don't know what you are putting your hand in
Because 90% of kids in orphanage homes
Have no history or records of their father and mother
Do you know if the mother was a Mad woman?
Now you adopt a child who has genetics of a Mad woman.
When the boy grows up and start acting like his mother what are you gonna do??

Basically, you dont know anything about the history of the child you are adopting .
While there are some who turn out great.
Majority of adopted kids turn out to be a huge mistake

Edit:
A lot of emotional children will attack me
Without seeing the hard bitter truth
This reminds me of when in 2014 i advise lots of youths not to vote Buhari
But they were so emotional and attacked me
Now it's 2022 and they are crying and wailing

When you tell people hard truth they will attack and call you names.
The did it to Jesus
So if you emotional kids can't handle this bitter truth then that's your business.
If you like go and adopt unknown gunman pikin then when he start exhibiting the genes and behaviour of his bandit father.
You will start crying and wailing as usual.

A russian man love a child unconditionally
Adopted him and took great care of him
But the boy still later killed the man.
Stole his properties and flees to Turkey

So will you blame the Man that adopted him for not showing the boy love

Nuture a kid when he is small
His true nature will come out once he grows up.

You hit the nail on the head.
Herein is the dilemma, a cousin of mine supposedly had drug issues, went kolo, was on the streets till news came that she got pregnant and gave birth. My folks took this baby from birth till date 15 years ago. At birth 2 nannies were employed to tend this boy. He started showing signs when he will pop and call them to wipe his arse. He will flush food or newspaper in the loo, then shit on it, mess up the whole place and then instruct the helps to clean it up, calling then mere house helps. Nothing that has not been done for him. He has followed the family in trips to Dubai etc, infact because of him a nanny was flown along just to tend to this boys needs. In the plane he kept on shouting just to cause embarrassment. This boy at 12, stole his aunties hubby's Rolex wristwatch the man had for over 30years just to flex in school, ofcouse it got missing. He broke into the man's office through the roof last year and stole $500.
Me nko, he stole me card holder with my debit cards, drivers license and $200.
Infact he had to be sent to boarding school, after attending over 8 schools at this young age of 15. Once this boy is back eg on break, everyone locks up their doors.
See the latest oh, he says he is not going back to boarding school. They took him to the drop off zone, nigger escaped and found his way back home. He says he wants to do "online business". ₦500k that has been paid as school fees is wasting as schools have resumed for over 2 weeks.
We warned our aged parents then not to take this boy, now they are regretting.
Few nights ago, someone heard him around 3 am midnight saying "I have told you to leave me alone, pls leave me alone" (meanwhile only him de room ohh in darkness.)
The boy is growing into a monster.

wirinet:


Poor examples. In all these examples, the family lineage was known. You could trace grand parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. Adopting from an orphanage with no family history whatsoever. If you understand how energies interact, you will know that behaviours, allergies, addictions and other subtle features can be inherited.

True adoption is when a child is totally raised by a non-biological parent.
Even so, the following highly successful people never knew their parents

I can't believe this is the quality of things making Front page on Nairaland these days. Hasty and fallacious conclusions from a myopic fellow using 1 family as the source of his findings

I am truly disappointed

This entire thread, especially the buffoon that created it, is yet another reason why black people have the lowest IQs in the world and why black people will continue to occupy the bottom of every single society they inhabit. We just can't help it. It's in our nature as products of low IQs. Best thing the black race can do for the advancement of humanity is just to stop breeding, but being the low IQ people we are, we'll continue to breed like rats.

It's wrong to adopt kids because "I know one family that adopted kids and the kids are bad". Someone actually made this imbecilic argument and really thinks he made an intelligent argument. Odikwa egwu...

PoliteActivist:


See why it is good to also rely on centuries of human observation instead of just science. It is not everything that science has discovered.
Even our ignorant forefathers KNEW from centuries of OBSERVATION that madness runs in families

That is why your ignorant forefathers will remain forever ignorance. Not like your ignorant forefathers have established any mental health psychiatric facility to heal mad patients with psychotic disorders.

Science has trained certified mad psychiatric specialized medical doctors and has helped several Mad patients with scientific psychotic drugs, to adjust to normal life in society unlike your ignorant forefathers peddling ignorance. Madness is only a genetic predisposition pegged at 6.5% for humans with first degree mad relative and pegged at 13% for humans with one mad parent.
https://www.rethink.org/advice-and-information/carers-hub/does-mental-illness-run-in-families/

omonnakoda:
Yes Joseph in the Bible made a mistake to adopt Jesus of unknown father. When he grew up he started doing magic upandan and eventually he was convicted and exectuted for his crimes
Children who are raised by their biological parents never steal or do anything bad

Propht Muhammad too - BIG mistake!

PoliteActivist:


True adoption is when a child is totally raised by a non-biological parent.
Even so, the following highly successful people never knew their parents

We are not talking about the adopted persons knowing their parents. We are talking about various diseases and dispositions inherited by the adopted child. I have a late cousin in which schizophrenia runs in her lineage. She ran mad, most of her children has one form of mental issue or the other.

PoliteActivist:


How about siblings who turn out polar opposites?
The Ransome Kutis? Google Whitey Bolger and his brother. One a ruthless gangster, the other mild mannered scholar

You don't need Google on this topic.....if you know why incest is bad in the first place....


Humanity advocate taking motherless children off the street..... adoption solves a bit of that but nature can't be cheated.

Siblings exhibits different kind of attitude yet there will still be some similarities.......looks, structures, containance, skin color and type, complexion etc

If you adopt an indian, Lebanese, Fulani, Japanese, Chinese child......she/he will definitely portray some traits similar to his/her original race.........in other words, aggression, oppression, anger, mischievousness, calmness can be in a blood lines...

Those opinions that the man failed as a father are not sensible, they invariably concluded that the man taught these adopted kid how to beat him ?

Truthshotcrazy:

That is why your ignorant forefathers will remain forever ignorance. Not like your ignorant forefathers have established any mental health psychiatric facility to heal mad patients with psychotic disorders.

Science has trained certified mad psychiatric specialized medical doctors and has helped several Mad patients with scientific psychotic drugs, to adjust to normal life in society unlike your ignorant forefathers peddling ignorance. Madness is only a genetic predisposition pegged at 6.5% for humans with first degree mad relative and pegged at 13% for humans with one mad parent.
https://www.rethink.org/advice-and-information/carers-hub/does-mental-illness-run-in-families/

Sorry to say, but speaking from personal experience, my great aunt was schizophrenic. Her first daughter died of madness and her first son died of madness. I was very close to both of them. I know 2 more of her children that suffer various degrees of mental illness. All of them were never able to keep a family. Only a daughter that I know that is stable and doing very well.

wirinet:


Sorry to say, but speaking from personal experience, my great aunt was schizophrenic. Her first daughter died of madness and her first son died of madness. I was very close to both of them. I know 2 more of her children that suffer various degrees of mental illness. All of them were never able to keep a family. Only a daughter that I know that is stable and doing very well.

Your great aunt? Sooo, why are you not mad??

JackDaAlienz:

My father's friend loved those 2 boys with all his heart.
Because his wife couldn't birth a boy for him.
He cherished them and pampered them
Bit look at how they treat him 20 years later.

Man had partial stroke after one of them beat him up for asking him where he is coming back from late at night.

Its not by raising them with perfect love
They will exhibit their ORIGINAL parents behavior
What if their father was a Hardcore killer who raped and pregnanted a Mad woman
Mad woman give birth and they put the baby in orphanage.

That baby has the genetics of his ruthless killer father. No matter how much love you show him that baby will still exhibit his original parents behaviour because he has his genes

Well you've a great assertion here but the fact remains that environment play a major roles in human behavior! Do some findings on Nature and nurture, if you still find it difficult to swallow, let me paint a perfect picture for you as regards your assertion! Even though they have the gene of hardened criminal, human being are mostly move by what they see! At that tender age, you've what it takes to rewire their brain processors into whatever new behavior you want them to exhibit! I hate anything alcoholic yet my dad was a chronic drunkard but he never exhibited that behavior around me until my mid-twenty! Thank God he's now a teetotaler like me, don't tell me I don't have that gene in me, what actually killed it was the fact that he raised me in an environment that's devoid of alcoholic style of living.

JackDaAlienz:

My dear,
I'M NOT GAY AND NEVER WILL BE GAY

people called Jesus worse names and they even mocked him as "King OF jews"
Because Jesus said the Truth

We all know that people don't like to hear the bitter truth, they begin to call you names,insult you and ridicule you for saying the Truth.

You can call me gay
You can call me a bastard
It won't change the hard bitter truth.

Nobody in history of mankind has spoken the Truth and people applaud him.

Moses in the bible was adopted by Egyptians
They raise him like Prince.
Feed him daily, cloth him, care for him

Only for Moses to grow up and join the isrealites and destroy the same Egypt that raised him.
Blood is thicker than water
If you like go and adopt anoda person blood
Anything wey you see, take am like that

What is this one saying?

You are using Jesus Christ and Moses as an example.

Was Jesus Christ not fathered by his adopted earthly father Joseph? Even people knew him as the 'carpenter's son'.

Are you saying it would have been better for Moses adopted mother to abandon him in the river when Egyptians were busy murdering sons of the Israelites?

Yes, most adopted kids turn out to be ingrates but it's not enough to promote wickedness.

PoliteActivist:


Your great aunt? Sooo, why are you not mad??

Because the relationship is quite far. She was actually my dad's first cousin.

Just becos it did'nt work for uncle does'nt mean it is not worth it, maybe he is at fault in giving them proper home training

VenumX:


What is this one saying?

You are using Jesus Christ and Moses as an example.

Was Jesus Christ not fathered by his adopted earthly father Joseph? Even people knew him as the 'carpenter's son'.

Are you saying it would have been better for Moses adopted mother to abandon him in the river when Egyptians were busy murdering sons of the Israelites?

Yes, most adopted kids turn out to be ingrates but it's not enough to promote wickedness.

Moses is a poor example. Didn't Moses betray his adopted mother and her family who laboured to nurture and raise him, only to go back to his original family. The adopted family later became his arch enemy.

wirinet:


Moses is a poor example. Didn't Moses betray his adopted mother and her family who laboured to nurture and raise him, only to go back to his original family. The adopted family later became his arch enemy.

False.

He fled when an Israelite with a loose mouth threatened him over killing an Egyptian whom he wasn't even related to.

To the second statement, read where God sent him back to egypt. When Moses expressed fear over them identifying him and killing him, God told him not to worry because all the people who knew him were dead.

wirinet:


We are not talking about the adopted persons knowing their parents. We are talking about various diseases and dispositions inherited by the adopted child. I have a late cousin in which schizophrenia runs in her lineage. She ran mad, most of her children has one form of mental issue or the other.

Not true. You said that in all examples I gave, that the family lineages were known, which I've shown not to be true. First aknowledge you were wrong.

Yahoo, cultism, etc are social vices and aren't genetic but environmental (how they were raised and their interactions growing up)
Even clearly genetic traits are not guaranteed to manifest - they are only dispositions that the right conditions will cause NOT to manifest.

[quote author=JackDaAlienz post=117154598]I remember early 2000, my dad was planning to adopt a kid Into our family.
Later I found out that my father's friend adopted 2 boys.
My uncle warned my dad not yo try it.
I even remember going to orphanage with him to see how it goes.
For some reason he didn't adopt again.

Bros, you spoke your truth. Don't let anyone dissuade you.

PoliteActivist:


Not true. You said that in all examples I gave, that the family lineages were known, which I've shown not to be true. First aknowledge you were wrong.

Yahoo, cultism, etc are social vices and aren't genetic but environmental (how they were raised and their interactions growing up)
Even clearly genetic traits are not guaranteed to manifest - they are only dispositions that the right conditions will cause NOT to manifest.

Not exactly accurate. Yes traditional medicine has not been able to link our lifestyles, behaviours and habits to genetics, Spiritual science has. Please read "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav. It explains that each of our actions is imprinted on our DNA on the quantum level, and so such behaviours and habits are inheritable. Ever wonder how birds are able to build nests without studying architecture. The behaviour is imprinted in its DNA. There have been instances of twins separated from birth having the same habits and behaviours. These things operate on the quantum level.

JackDaAlienz:
I remember early 2000, my dad was planning to adopt a kid Into our family.
Later I found out that my father's friend adopted 2 boys.
My uncle warned my dad not yo try it.
I even remember going to orphanage with him to see how it goes.
For some reason he didn't adopt again.

Fast foward to 20 years later
That my father's friend is living in hell,
He says those 2 boys he adopted turned out to be into yahoo, drugs, cultisim.
They even beat him up and steal his money.

Till today im forever grateful to my uncle for preventing my dad from adoption.
Because all the families I know that adopted kids back in the 2000. None of them have peace, they always fighting, quarreling
It's a huge mess.
This is why i think Adoption is not worth it at all

For listing yahoo as a vice; I think that you’re a very disrespectful fellow
Why do you downgrade what you dunno

Do you know the only thing that can give a young boy of a humble beginning, great hope & prospects that he can drive Range Rover and be the leader of tomorrow he sang as a nursery rhymes?

JackDaAlienz:
Adoption is like suicide.
You don't know what you are putting your hand in
Because 90% of kids in orphanage homes
Have no history or records of their father and mother
Do you know if the mother was a Mad woman?
Now you adopt a child who has genetics of a Mad woman.
When the boy grows up and start acting like his mother what are you gonna do??

Basically, you dont know anything about the history of the child you are adopting .
While there are some who turn out great.
Majority of adopted kids turn out to be a huge mistake

Edit:
A lot of emotional children will attack me
Without seeing the hard bitter truth
This reminds me of when in 2014 i advise lots of youths not to vote Buhari
But they were so emotional and attacked me
Now it's 2022 and they are crying and wailing

When you tell people hard truth they will attack and call you names.
The did it to Jesus
So if you emotional kids can't handle this bitter truth then that's your business.
If you like go and adopt unknown gunman pikin then when he start exhibiting the genes and behaviour of his bandit father.
You will start crying and wailing as usual.

A russian man love a child unconditionally
Adopted him and took great care of him
But the boy still later killed the man.
Stole his properties and flees to Turkey

So will you blame the Man that adopted him for not showing the boy love

Nuture a kid when he is small
His true nature will come out once he grows up.

Tony Elumelu adopted kids too and we have not heard any negative news. The bottom line is to pray before taking any decision so that God can direct your path

PoliteActivist:


Your great aunt? Sooo, why are you not mad??

He is but his own madness level is very low.

JackDaAlienz:
I remember early 2000, my dad was planning to adopt a kid Into our family.
Later I found out that my father's friend adopted 2 boys.
My uncle warned my dad not yo try it.
I even remember going to orphanage with him to see how it goes.
For some reason he didn't adopt again.

Fast foward to 20 years later
That my father's friend is living in hell,
He says those 2 boys he adopted turned out to be into yahoo, drugs, cultisim.
They even beat him up and steal his money.

Till today im forever grateful to my uncle for preventing my dad from adoption.
Because all the families I know that adopted kids back in the 2000. None of them have peace, they always fighting, quarreling
It's a huge mess.
This is why i think Adoption is not worth it at all

Why are you concentrating on only the negatives. There are millions of adoption success stories. Your dad’s friend could have given birth to those kids and they still could have turned out that way.
There’s nothing wrong with adoption.