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Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Gajagojo: 9:45pm On Oct 15, 2023
Caesarddi:
if you don't know what it takes to be called a country then you then you should go back to school
I am interested in your definition for the purpose of this conversation so we know we are all talking about the same thing bearing in mind that this conversation is covering centuries of history presumably,since you took us back to the time of the Romans
So one hopes Your concept of "country" goes that far back

Your belligerent response betrays awareness of the vacuity of your position

Once again what is your definition of country?
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Caesarddi(op): 9:50pm On Oct 15, 2023
CoronaVirusPro:
Stop dictating altered history!

The British are not denying how they created the state of Israel.

Israel is a state for Zionist and not even Jews! Jews are forbidden by religion to even have a state.

Israel is just a US military base in the Middle-East.
lol forbidden by your religion or theirs?
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Caesarddi(op): 10:05pm On Oct 15, 2023
Gajagojo:
I am interested in your definition for the purpose of this conversation so we know we are all talking about the same thing bearing in mind that this conversation is covering centuries of history presumably,since you took us back to the time of the Romans
So one hopes Your concept of "country" goes that far back

Your belligerent response betrays awareness of the vacuity of your position

Once again what is your definition of country?
The ottoman Empire's defeat and the occupation of part of its territory by the Allied Powers in the aftermath of World War I resulted in its partitioning and the loss of its southern territories, which were divided between the United Kingdom and France. The British got what is today southern Israel and Palestine, Jordan and southern Iraq, and an additional small area that included the ports of Haifa and Acre to allow access to the Mediterranean. Before all that area was ruled by the Ottoman Empire and there was nothing like Palestinian state or Jordan. Back to your question about the definition of country.

A Country is a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Gajagojo: 10:10pm On Oct 15, 2023
Caesarddi:
.

A Country is a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.
What do you mean by nation?
I am sorry you need to define that

You don't define by substituting another word

According to your definition
Scotland is a country do you agree?
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Caesarddi(op): 10:25pm On Oct 15, 2023
Gajagojo:
What do you mean by nation?
I am sorry you need to define that

You don't define by substituting another word

According to your definition
Scotland is a country do you agree?
there many type of country and likewise nations, but the type am talking about is the type that even the so called Palestinians are asking the united state to recognize the as, the type of nation or country "depending on the one that your brain can comprehend" that has its own government, military, leader from among them, occupying a particular territory etc
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Gajagojo: 10:35pm On Oct 15, 2023
Caesarddi:
there many type of country and likewise nations, but the type am talking about is the type that even the so called Palestinians are asking the united state to recognize the as, the type of nation or country "depending on the one that your brain can comprehend" that has its own government, military, leader from among them, occupying a particular territory etc
You started off by saying I need to go back to school now you are saying
The type YOU are talking about
I am happy you agree there are many types
Talking about United Nations is contradictory to any argument involving the Romans

It is clear you are confused and will continue to shift the goalposts

It is a complex conversation which you don't have the capacity for but very quickly become bellicose and obstreperous.
You are out of your depth as far as logical argument is concerned but in your element in the emotional and polemic dimension

Without a working definition of country this is a waste of time

You didn't not answer my question on Scotland
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Caesarddi(op): 10:44pm On Oct 15, 2023
Gajagojo:
You started off by saying I need to go back to school now you are saying
The type YOU are talking about
I am happy you agree there are many types
Talking about United Nations is contradictory to any argument involving the Romans

It is clear you are confused and will continue to shift the goalposts check you dictionary. There is nothing complex about it. There have never been a country called Palestine before ever, that place is not their land they should move to Jordan were their fellow Arabs resides

It is a complex conversation which you don't have the capacity for but very quickly become bellicose and obstreperous.
You are out of your depth as far as logical argument is concerned but in your element in the emotional and polemic dimension

Without a working definition of country this is a waste of time

You didn't not answer my question on Scotland
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Gajagojo: 10:47pm On Oct 15, 2023
[quote author=Caesarddi post=126426649][/quote]What is the summary of your argument ?
Without defining nation or country which you are clearly incapable of how can you say there has never been a country of Palestine

That is the fundament

Define country
Without that you are making noise
When you say there has never been a country called Jollofrice
How do you know this?
What is your source of information?

This conversation is beyond your brain capacity
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Horus(m): 10:54pm On Oct 15, 2023
Did the Zionists buy the land of Palestine or did they occupy it?

Their occupation took place in this way. They did not start with a war. Rather, they started with a ploy. They started buying large, flourishing farms in Palestine, where the Arab farmers were working. They paid several times more than the real price to the main owners of the big farms who lived in Europe or the US. These owners happily sold the land to the Jews. There were also some dealers, one of them was the famous Sayyid Zia', Reza Khan's accomplice in the 1921 coup. When he left Iran, he went to Palestine and became a dealer for the Jews and Israelis to buy lands from the Muslims! They bought the land and when they became owners, they started to expel the farmers in the harshest and cruellest manner. When they would enter an area, they would attack and kill the people. Meanwhile, they influenced public opinion to be in favor of them with lies and deception.

When they first arrived in Palestine, they did not say, "We are bringing immigrants to Palestine." The Palestinian people wondered who the newcomers were. They lied and said they were bringing experts! What I'm saying is based on evidence. It was in the documents of the British Foreign Office that were leaked. Some of the world's Foreign Ministries publish old, outdated documents and make them public. The documents I am talking about have become available to us recently, after sixty or seventy years. In these documents, the British officer in charge of Palestine wrote in his report, "We told the Palestinian people that those who were entering Palestine were experts, engineers, doctors, etc. and they were coming to build their country! They would leave after they had built the land." The same British officer wrote in a letter, "But we are lying to these people!" They gathered Jews with no skills or expertise from around the world, took them to Palestine, and provided them with facilities, land, and everything; because they wanted to expel the original owners of Palestine from that country! From the beginning, they started with a ploy, and as soon as they gained a firm foothold, they attacked the people.

The usurpation of Palestine by the Zionists was based on three pillars; one of them was committing atrocities against the Arabs. They treated the original owners with cruelty and extreme violence. They didn't show the slightest mercy to them. The second pillar was lying to the people of the world. This kind of lying to the people of the world is one of the strangest things in its kind. They lied so much through their use of the Zionist media, which was in the hands of the Jews, both before and after the occupation, that some Jewish capitalists were arrested because of these lies!

Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Dandal: 2:24am On Oct 16, 2023
Palestine Coin 1927

Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Mordecai(m): 6:05am On Oct 16, 2023
Do you propagandists not get tired of the lies?

Splurging lies, mixed with half-truths and expecting people to buy it.

No, it won't work.

The truth about who owns the land is in the Quran. Take it or leave it.

Am Yisrael Chai.


Horus:
Did the Zionists buy the land of Palestine or did they occupy it?

Their occupation took place in this way. They did not start with a war. Rather, they started with a ploy. They started buying large, flourishing farms in Palestine, where the Arab farmers were working. They paid several times more than the real price to the main owners of the big farms who lived in Europe or the US. These owners happily sold the land to the Jews. There were also some dealers, one of them was the famous Sayyid Zia', Reza Khan's accomplice in the 1921 coup. When he left Iran, he went to Palestine and became a dealer for the Jews and Israelis to buy lands from the Muslims! They bought the land and when they became owners, they started to expel the farmers in the harshest and cruellest manner. When they would enter an area, they would attack and kill the people. Meanwhile, they influenced public opinion to be in favor of them with lies and deception.

When they first arrived in Palestine, they did not say, "We are bringing immigrants to Palestine." The Palestinian people wondered who the newcomers were. They lied and said they were bringing experts! What I'm saying is based on evidence. It was in the documents of the British Foreign Office that were leaked. Some of the world's Foreign Ministries publish old, outdated documents and make them public. The documents I am talking about have become available to us recently, after sixty or seventy years. In these documents, the British officer in charge of Palestine wrote in his report, "We told the Palestinian people that those who were entering Palestine were experts, engineers, doctors, etc. and they were coming to build their country! They would leave after they had built the land." The same British officer wrote in a letter, "But we are lying to these people!" They gathered Jews with no skills or expertise from around the world, took them to Palestine, and provided them with facilities, land, and everything; because they wanted to expel the original owners of Palestine from that country! From the beginning, they started with a ploy, and as soon as they gained a firm foothold, they attacked the people.

The usurpation of Palestine by the Zionists was based on three pillars; one of them was committing atrocities against the Arabs. They treated the original owners with cruelty and extreme violence. They didn't show the slightest mercy to them. The second pillar was lying to the people of the world. This kind of lying to the people of the world is one of the strangest things in its kind. They lied so much through their use of the Zionist media, which was in the hands of the Jews, both before and after the occupation, that some Jewish capitalists were arrested because of these lies!
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by anyilalaz: 6:53am On Oct 16, 2023
khalling2008:
This was Palestine coin In 1927 before Israel was created in 1948 by the USA unless you can show me the Israel money to confirm their existence in the Middle East. You can't never change the history.
The following personality are they jews or Arabs, which part of the world do they come from? These are documented name in the Holy Quaran
Solomon / Sulaymān (Quran 19:7)
Zechariah / Zakariyyā (Quran 19:7)
Moses / Mūsā (Quran 33:7)
Mary/Maryam (Quran 19:34)
Joseph / Yūsif (Quran 6:84)
Jesus / ʿĪsā (Quran 3:59)
Jacob /Yaʿkūb (Quran 19:49)
Isaac /Isħāq (Quran 19:49)
Enoch / Idrīs (Quran 19:56)

ETC
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Mrkindness: 8:55am On Oct 16, 2023
Gajagojo:
Was there anything like an Igbo state before Nigeria?
yes sir, there was an Arochukwu Confederacy. They also have igbo-Ukwu kingdom too. Like we have Benin and kwararafa kingdoms in present day Nigeria. Igbo land is one one the oldest inhabitants on Earth without trace of migration, they have pyramids in present day enugu state just like you have in Egypt. Archeological findings and artifacts, I can recommend books for you if you want.
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Gajagojo: 9:02am On Oct 16, 2023
Mrkindness:
yes sir, there was an Arochukwu Confederacy. They also have igbo-Ukwu kingdom too. Like we have Benin and kwararafa kingdoms in present day Nigeria. Igbo land is one one the oldest inhabitants on Earth without trace of migration, they have pyramids in present day enugu state just like you have in Egypt. Archeological findings and artifacts, I can recommend books for you if you want.
Arochukwu Confederacy?
Confederacy is an English word
I am sure the locals never used that word

My question was not about artefacts and similar irrelevances

Simple before Nigeria was there an Igbo country
If yes tell us its name and location

To the best of common knowledge the Igbo never evolved any system of administration beyond the Umunna system of clan rule in their forest habitats

The so called confederacy was an Akamkpa kingdom/trading complex ruled by Ibibios and Akamkpa who conquered the land led by the Nnubu brothers and still reign there till this day
They used that platform to raid Igbos as slaves and sold them through Calabar

It was not an Igbo enclave and certainly NOT a country
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by khalling2008: 10:42am On Oct 16, 2023
anyilalaz:
The following personality are they jews or Arabs, which part of the world do they come from? These are documented name in the Holy Quaran
Solomon / Sulaymān (Quran 19:7)
Zechariah / Zakariyyā (Quran 19:7)
Moses / Mūsā (Quran 33:7)
Mary/Maryam (Quran 19:34)
Joseph / Yūsif (Quran 6:84)
Jesus / ʿĪsā (Quran 3:59)
Jacob /Yaʿkūb (Quran 19:49)
Isaac /Isħāq (Quran 19:49)
Enoch / Idrīs (Quran 19:56)

ETC
All the verses you quoted didnt tell us that Israel was the owner of the Palestine land. Try another propaganda.
Below was Palestine's currency in 1927, show us the Isreal currency to confirm something

Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Somilat: 12:56pm On Oct 16, 2023
Philistines
Canaans

Jews are invaders.

Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Frankiss44(m): 1:00pm On Oct 16, 2023
Gajagojo:
How is that relevant?
Because if there was a passes time state,it would have been mentioned
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Gajagojo: 1:49pm On Oct 16, 2023
Frankiss44:
Because if there was a passes time state,it would have been mentioned
Why ? How many states are mentioned in the Quran in total?
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Gajagojo: 4:18pm On Oct 16, 2023
Caesarddi:
there many type of country and likewise nations, but the type am talking about is the type that even the so called Palestinians are asking the united state to recognize the as, the type of nation or country "depending on the one that your brain can comprehend" that has its own government, military, leader from among them, occupying a particular territory etc
How Market?
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Gajagojo: 3:15pm On Oct 18, 2023
Caesarddi:
if you don't know what it takes to be called a country then you then you should go back to school
See as you open mouth waaaaaaaa

Talk na huh?
Just going around talking ignorantly like an illiterate

grin grin
Re: Is There Anything Like Palestinian State Before? by Dsimmer:
khalling2008:
All the verses you quoted didnt tell us that Israel was the owner of the Palestine land. Try another propaganda.
Below was Palestine's currency in 1927, show us the Isreal currency to confirm something
You're not making sense! Palestine is a name coined by the Roman empire at that time, just like Nigeria name was coined by a British empire thus the eventual naira notes.

Now, note the words on that coin were Arabs and Hebrews! Which means Arabs and Jews were in that land at the time Roman empire came who eventually left, unlike the useless Arabs still in North Africa today! 🙄

As a matter of fact, the terrorist Mohammed admitted that he met the Jews in the Mediterranean desert first. So Jews were there first before the Arabs in the middle east! Meanwhile, The whole middle east belong to the Cananites who are African people! The Jews got to the (mideast) after Abraham left Iraq to Canan before wandering with his children around most of Africa Land before finally going back to Canan while the Arabs (the children of Ishmael and Iraq people) also came from Iraq area to also occupy a part of the middle east but now want to take the Isreal (Jew) part too.

The Israel and Arabs can do whatever they want with themselves as far as I'm concerned, it's none of my business because I'm an African and the middle east (Canan) belong to African in the first place however what gave the useless Arab bastards the impetus to also steal the North Africa Land during their useless ottoman empire which their useless selves had wanted to build in Africa until it was destroyed? It's Isreal that fit them because Isreal don't take nonsense! The useless terrorist Arabs thought it's their usual useless business of stealing people's land until they touched Israel's in the Mediterranean desert who gave them wotowoto!
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