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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:39pm On Apr 28 |
raumdeuter:I will answer after you define goat for me and let me know your own type of goat leaning. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 1:43pm On Apr 28 |
cococandy:MTG is now a leftist oo.. 😂😂.. She now suffers from the highest degree of TDS. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 1:44pm On Apr 28 |
DeepSight:A goat is a type of domesticated ruminant mammal kept for meat and milk Now tell us what type of stupid was when the left democrats claimed Biden was sharp as a tack |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:50pm On Apr 28 |
raumdeuter:No wait. You have to tell me your own goatish tendency first. Besides your definition is faulty since goats existed before domestication and there are still wild goats as is evident with your case. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 1:53pm On Apr 28 |
DeepSight:I dont have time for your foolishness As an expert in foolishness, What did your leftist Democrats see in Biden that made them claim he was sharp as a tack |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:55pm On Apr 28 |
raumdeuter:Will you kneel down at once and raise up your hands? How dare you address a humble personage of my humble rank in such a depraved and discourteous manner. On your knees, at once! Tail down and hoofs together! |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 1:57pm On Apr 28 |
A Yougov poll shows that 25-30% of young liberals think its justifiable to resort to violence t achieve political goals Only 5-7% of conservatives say that
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 1:57pm On Apr 28 |
Ijebos, what do you think about this guy and do you like the direction the UK is going?
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 2:05pm On Apr 28 |
basilico:Only a stou-pud person believes and repeats Republican propaganda. And only a really stou-pud person doesn't even live in the US and beleives and repeates Republican propaganda. Jeffries was references words from someone close to Trump. This article was written August 2nd, 2025 https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/02/us/politics/texas-redistricting-democrats-republicans-midterms.html
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 2:05pm On Apr 28 |
If only she knew he was racist back then
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 2:09pm On Apr 28 |
bemeruca:This was before race hustlers decided promoting racism is quite profitable, And victimhood sells |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 2:32pm On Apr 28 |
Jimmy Kimmel on Melania Trump calling for him to be fired. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zust6eID9mk |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 2:37pm On Apr 28 |
bemeruca:Guy who pretends to be American, who lives in the American Politics thread posting articles about Europe. Yup, sounds like MAGA. So, the pretend country you pretend sent your children and baby momma to because America isn't a place to raise children is going to shit according to you. Good to know. You should try to write better make believe. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 2:41pm On Apr 28 |
raumdeuter:"Before race hustlers decided promoting racism is quite profitable" That tennis video happened in 2015. What else happened in 2015? Fn'ing House N* Oklahoma Fraternity Shut Down After Racist Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7gffhZVYss |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 2:44pm On Apr 28 |
raumdeuter:It was just the "race hustles promoting racism" in 2015 What else happened in 2015: Charleston Church Shooting The Charleston Church Shooting: Six Years Later https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwCeA_txLg |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 2:46pm On Apr 28 |
IjeBos:Their hypocrisy is out of this universe
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 2:49pm On Apr 28 |
raumdeuter:Yes, in 2015 we were in a post racial country except for them race hustler promoting racism. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/27/university-mississippi-student-noose-statue-james-meredith Just a whole piece of trash.
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 2:51pm On Apr 28 |
cococandy:Out of the universe. I'm glad he called her out. Insane that she thinks she could be the messenger for this esp. after all the grotesque things he's said. Her guy literally called for the genocide of a civilization. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:32pm On Apr 28 |
bayelsaowei:I bet you that SPLC paid informants were in the January 6 crowd. Probably wearing Nazi colours. There should be more details revealed I'm sure |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:50pm On Apr 28 |
bemeruca:What do you mean. He wanted to hit her with the tennis ball and end her career? What a racist!! |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:53pm On Apr 28 |
The supreme court has allowed the redistricting to go on. Katie Porter remarks same day after the Hilton attack is in very bad shape. I'm in full support of gerrymandering by both parties until the supreme court stops the nonsense. ijebosb: |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 4:02pm On Apr 28 |
Deepsight likes long posts The Charge The accusation has become liturgy on the left. Trump incites violence. Trump is dangerous. Trump's words are a threat to democracy. Say it enough times in front of enough cameras and it begins to feel like settled fact, the kind of thing serious people simply know to be true. This is being repeated now after the third assassination attempt of Trump happened last night. It is worth examining carefully, and the examination reveals a great deal about why we are in the broken place we inhabit today. A charge repeated is not a charge proven. And when you trace this argument to its specific evidentiary anchors, two dates come up almost every time: Charlottesville in August 2017 and January 6th in 2021. These are the twin pillars of the incitement narrative. Any person committed to the narrative will mention both if asked for examples. Let us examine them honestly. II. Charlottesville and the "Both Sides" Lie The Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville has been weaponized so thoroughly that most Americans cannot accurately describe what Trump actually said about it. The media stripped his remarks down to a single phrase and buried everything else. What Trump said in full was this: there were "very fine people on both sides" a reference specifically to those on both sides of the Confederate statue debate, not to the neo-Nazis or the counterprotesters who clashed violently. He said explicitly in the same press conference: "I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists. They should be condemned totally." That sentence was omitted from nearly every broadcast. What is also omitted from virtually every discussion is the serious documented evidence that the rally itself was not the organic product of ordinary Trump supporters. The tiki torch marchers appeared, performed for cameras, and vanished. Agitators were identified on both sides with murky financing and murky motivations. The man who drove his car into the crowd, James Alex Fields Jr., was convicted and is in prison for life. Nothing about that event requires Trump's words to explain Fields evil. We now have even more evidence that Fields wouldn't have been there if there wasn't a need to pay for an elaborate staged racist event. III. The Charlottesville Psy Op: The SPLC's Indictment The Charlottesville narrative has been the left's most potent weapon for nearly nine years. It was cited as the reason Joe Biden entered the 2020 presidential race. It was used to brand Trump as the chief enabler of white supremacy in America. It was repeated in every impeachment argument, every campaign advertisement, and every newsroom style guide that quietly encoded "very fine people" as proof of fascism in the White House. It was built on an event that the Department of Justice now alleges was infiltrated and partially organized by a paid operative of the Southern Poverty Law Center. The DOJ indictment alleges that the SPLC paid an informant network that included a source identified only as "F-37" who was a member of the online leadership chat group that planned the 2017 Unite the Right event. This source attended the event at the direction of the SPLC, made racist postings under the supervision of the SPLC, and helped coordinate transportation to the event for several attendees. For this work, F-37 was allegedly paid over $270,000 by the SPLC in secret between 2015 and 2023. Sit with that number. A quarter of a million dollars, paid over eight years, to someone who helped put the most politically consequential racial spectacle of the Trump era on the map, while the SPLC publicly insisted that anyone who questioned the authenticity of the event was peddling dangerous conspiracy theories. The SPLC more than doubled its revenue in the months following the Charlottesville violence. In 2016, total public support and net assets topped $51 million. By October 2017, that figure had grown to $133 million, a surge driven in part by donations from George Clooney, Apple CEO Tim Cook, and JP Morgan Chase. The organization that allegedly funded an organizer of Charlottesville also collected the windfall from Charlottesville's aftermath. That is not a coincidence that deserves to be discussed only on conservative websites. That is a scandal of historic proportions Continue next post. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 4:04pm On Apr 28 |
Note what the SPLC did when Alex Jones and Arizona Representative Paul Gosar publicly raised questions about whether Charlottesville was a staged event in the immediate aftermath. The SPLC called those claims ludicrous conspiracy theories. The organization now under federal indictment for fraud, for paying a Charlottesville organizer, called it a conspiracy theory when people suggested they were involved. This is not a peripheral footnote. The Charlottesville event was used to permanently define Trump's presidency, to destroy careers and reputations, and to license years of political radicalization on the left. The foundational justification for calling the right violent turns out to have been constructed, at least in part, by an organization now charged with manufacturing the racism it claimed to fight. If you believed falsely that Trump promoted racists, recognize that you were duped by a very sophisticated operation that paired leftist journalism, and leftist activism, with paying for and inciting an enemy that they needed for funding and for legitimacy. The federal indictment also alleges the SPLC paid the Imperial Wizard of the United Klans of America as a field source, funded a National Alliance member more than $1 million over nine years, and used fictitious front companies including "Fox Photography" and "Rare Books Warehouse" to conceal the money flows. Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche called it what it is: the SPLC was "manufacturing racism to justify its existence." IV. January 6th: What He Said On January 6th, 2021, Trump spoke for approximately 75 minutes at the Ellipse. He told the assembled crowd: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." This is the sentence the left pretends does not exist. When confronted with it, they shift strategy and argue that one sentence of peace cannot undo an hour of passion. That is a legitimate argument to make in a legal brief. It is not a license to claim the words of peace were never spoken. The broader picture on January 6th is also worth repeating. The people who have been prosecuted range from genuine criminals to people who walked through open doors and took selfies in Statuary Hall. The claim that this was a coordinated, armed insurrection by the most dangerous political movement in America falls apart when you notice that, if it was in fact the most dangerous political movement in America, they forgot to bring the equipment that makes dangerous political movements dangerous. V. The Rhetoric They Give a Pass Now apply the incitement standard consistently and see where it lands. In 2008, Barack Obama told supporters: "I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to argue with them and get in their face." Obama has so many more quotes it feels like an oppo dump if I use them all, but the man who told his supporters he wants them to be angry, they need to toughen up and fight Trump, if they bring a knife we bring a gun, has spoken out repeatedly in ways that would be called proof of violence inspiration if the quote came from Trump instead of Obama. In June 2018, California Representative Maxine Waters said at a rally: "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they are not welcome anymore, anywhere." In July 2018, Senator Cory Booker said: "Please, get up in the face of some congresspeople." In 2023, Representative Dan Goldman said Trump was "destructive to our democracy" and "has to be eliminated." Goldman apologized and claimed it was a poor word choice. In 2024, President Biden told donors in a private call that it was "time to put Trump in the bulls-eye." Shortly thereafter, two separate assassination attempts were made against Donald Trump. Steve Scalise, speaking after the second assassination attempt, made the connection directly: "Kamala needs to stop saying that President Trump is a threat to democracy. There are unhinged people that are taking that as a call to go and try to eliminate President Trump. President Biden said that as well, "time to put Trump in a bullseye." The President of the United States said that, and then two different people took that as a call to action. Where is the real scrutiny coming from the press?" It is a question worth sitting with. Scalise knows something about this subject from personal experience. Continues |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 4:18pm On Apr 28 |
Final Part. VI. Scalise, Rand Paul and the Violence the Media Minimizes On June 14, 2017, James T. Hodgkinson, a 66 year old left wing activist from Belleville, Illinois, arrived at a Republican congressional baseball practice at Eugene Simpson Stadium Park in Alexandria, Virginia. He confirmed with a passing congressman that Republicans, not Democrats, were on the field. Then he opened fire, shooting House Majority Whip Steve Scalise in the hip, as well as a Capitol Police officer, a congressional aide, and a lobbyist. Investigations revealed Hodgkinson had a clear and documented hatred for Republicans. He arrived living out of his van, with a legally purchased rifle and a list of six conservative members of Congress, presumably his targets. Had Scalise's Capitol Police security detail not been present, those on the field said it would have been a massacre. Hodgkinson is not a shadowy figure with unclear motives. He had been an avid supporter of Bernie Sanders and volunteered for the senator's campaign in Illinois. People familiar with him said he became intensely upset and angry about politics during the 2016 election cycle. Rand Paul survived that shooting but was later assaulted by his socialist neighbor Rene Boucher, who attacked him from behind and broke his ribs, requiring him to be hospitalized. The SPLC admitted that Hodgkinson liked the SPLC on Facebook. That connection matters because of what the SPLC had already done to one conservative organization, and what it now stands federally charged with having done at Charlottesville. VII. The SPLC and Floyd Corkins: A Targeting Map On August 15, 2012, Floyd Lee Corkins II arrived at the Family Research Council headquarters in Washington, D.C., with a 9mm pistol, multiple ammunition clips, and a box of extra rounds. Prosecutors said his mission was to kill as many people as possible, and the only thing that prevented a mass shooting was a heroic building manager who was shot but managed to disarm him. Corkins pleaded guilty to charges including committing an act of terrorism while armed and was sentenced to 25 years in prison. How did Corkins find the Family Research Council? He told the FBI directly. "Southern Poverty Law lists anti-gay groups" Corkins told interrogators. "I found them online, did a little research, went to the website, stuff like that." The SPLC's hate map was not a research tool in this instance. It was a targeting map. FRC President Tony Perkins said at the time that Corkins "was given a license by a group such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, who labeled us a hate group because we defend the family and we stand for traditional, orthodox Christianity." Corkins carried, in addition to ammunition, the name and address of a second conservative organization also designated by the SPLC. It was presumably his next target had he not been stopped. A decade after the attack, the FRC remained on the SPLC's hate map. No retraction. No accountability. No acknowledgment that designating mainstream Christian policy organizations as hate groups might carry consequences in a country full of people looking for someone to hate. Now, in April 2026, the SPLC itself has been indicted on federal fraud charges. The organization that built the hate map that guided Floyd Corkins to the Family Research Council was, according to federal prosecutors, writing checks to people inside the groups it claimed to be fighting, manufacturing racial hatred, and concealing millions of dollars through fictitious companies. The FBI Director cut the Bureau's relationship with the SPLC, calling it a "partisan smear machine." VIII. Tea Parties vs. Occupy. Trump Rallies vs. BLM. I have been told over and over that the hate of this moment is caused by Trump. He is the reason. But Trump was hosting an NBC show when some of these contrasts became clear. The comparison the left refuses to make is the one that most clearly illuminates the double standard. The Tea Party movement held thousands of rallies across the country between 2009 and 2012. They were peaceful. Tea Party activists were even known for cleaning up the public areas where they demonstrated. The crime rate at Tea Party events was effectively zero. You will not find a police report from a Tea Party rally that involves anything other than traffic concerns. Compare that record to what the summer of 2020 produced. The hundreds of riots left property damage assessed at up to $2 billion and at least 25 people dead. The murder rate went up by a record 30 percent in 2020. In Portland, rioters and anarchists took to the streets for more than 100 consecutive days. Nationwide, over 2,000 officers were wounded. These were the most destructive riots in American history. The question is not whether every BLM protest was violent. It was not. The question is whether the movement had a violence problem that the media normalized, excused ("mostly peaceful protests" , and in some cases celebrated, while a January 6th breach of a government building with no firearms and no successful occupation was treated as the singular threat to the republic. The answer, if you are honest about it, is yes. IX. The Survey Data The polling data on who is more comfortable with political violence is consistent across methodologies. A YouGov survey conducted in the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk assassination found that 25 percent of respondents who identified as "very liberal" said political violence can sometimes be justified to achieve political goals, along with 17 percent of those who identified as "liberal." Only 6 percent of those who said they are "conservative" and 3 percent of those who identified as "very conservative" said the same. The further right were less likely to support violence? That doesn't work with the Biden FBI calling right wing violence the bigger threat. Take the time to study those studies. They are absurdly bad. The only way they can get the predetermined outcomes they sought was by classifying white prison gangs as "right wing." The same survey found that liberals were more likely to say it is usually or always acceptable to be happy about the death of a public figure they oppose, with 16 percent holding this position, including 24 percent of "very liberal" respondents. Only 4 percent of conservatives and 7 percent of moderates held this view. A Marquette Law School national survey found that 78 percent of Republicans say happiness over the death of a political opponent is always unacceptable. Among Democrats, only 41 percent said the same. A 2025 Axios report found that House Democrats were telling reporters their constituents have said civility is not working and were preparing for "violence to fight to protect our democracy." One House Democrat described the dynamic as "the Roman coliseum. People just want more and more of this spectacle." These are sitting members of Congress describing their own base. X. The Jacobin Inheritance This is not a new phenomenon. The left's comfort with political violence as a tool of change has deep ideological roots. The Jacobins did not simply stumble into the guillotine. They built a theology of revolutionary violence in which the destruction of enemies was not a regrettable side effect but a moral act on behalf of history. Saul Alinsky dedicated Rules for Radicals to Lucifer, not just as a provocation but as a philosophical statement about power and how it is seized. The Weather Underground, the organization founded by Bill Ayers, planted bombs. Ayers was unapologetic. He told the New York Times on September 11, 2001, that he had no regrets and wished they had done more. Barack Obama launched his political career in Ayers' living room. The media shrugged. Mumia Abu-Jamal was convicted of murdering a police officer. He became a leftist cause. Susan Rosenberg, a member of a group connected to multiple bombings including of the U.S. Capitol, had her sentence commuted by Bill Clinton. She went on to serve on the board of a fiscal sponsor organization connected to Black Lives Matter. The ideology has never fully separated itself from the logic that some violence, directed at the right enemies, is righteous. XI. There Is No Right Wing Equivalent Tell me a piece of clothing that is likely to produce physical violence if you wear it to a right wing rally. Can you think of one? I cannot. A marxist racist murderer like Che Guevera can be on t shirts and dorm posters. A cop killer like Mumia was lionized and can be tokenized. You can wear any color of the rainbow on your hat or shirt and know that a large gathering of right wing people will not demand you take it off. In a time when we are fighting Muslim terror, symbols of Muslim terror have been openly carried in our streets. Again no attacks provoked. Now reverse the mental exercise. Can you think of an item of clothing that would certainly provoke attack if you wore it to a left wing rally? Of course something like a Klan hood, provokes strong reactions, but we live in a broken country and culture where wearing a hat in support of a President who won with over 77 million votes can set off a reaction somewhat like sharks with bleeding chum dropped above them. That makes no sense. You cannot hate someone for their hat. You cannot attack someone for their hat. But that has been normalized, and if you do not believe me, take some time to learn more. Video after video after video, or if you are a moderate Democrat who thinks I am exaggerating, try the experiment yourself with a MAGA hat. The left presents the SPLC. The right has no equivalent institution that designates mainstream progressive organizations as hate groups, publishes their addresses, and then watches as men with guns follow the map. There is no conservative equivalent of Corkins following a published target list. The left presents Hodgkinson, who carried a list of Republican congressmen to a morning baseball practice and tried to kill as many as he could. The right's attacks on political figures are used to define the entire movement. Hodgkinson is treated as a solitary aberration. The left presents two assassination attempts against Donald Trump prior to last night, the most protected private citizen in America, and faces no sustained media examination of whether the rhetoric that Trump is a fascist who must be stopped by any means necessary contributed to those attempts. The standard applied to the right is: any violent act by anyone with conservative sympathies is evidence of systematic right-wing incitement. The standard applied to the left is: any violent act by anyone with left-wing sympathies is an isolated individual with untreated mental illness unconnected to any broader movement. That is not analysis. That is advocacy wearing the clothing of journalism. XII. Chris Murphy: The Three-Week Arc of a Man Who Thinks He Is Above Accountability Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut presents himself as one of the most sober and responsible voices in the Democratic Pa |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:21pm On Apr 28 |
basilico:I found out a long time ago that Trump was mis-represented on the "very fine people on both sides" remark concerning Charlottesville. He clearly had exempted Neo Nazis etc. This is further evidence of how balanced and rational I am in this matter. Whereas you can never concede anything. You will defend even the most glaring atrocities and wrongs. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 4:24pm On Apr 28 |
Shaping up to be a brutal midterm https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/04/28/opinion/focus-group-trump-voters-disappointed.html?unlocked_article_code=1.eVA.S3qj.yCkPfgt92HGO&smid=url-share Eighty percent of Republicans approve of President Trump’s performance, but his national standing has dipped, especially among independents.
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:29pm On Apr 28 |
basilico:You have seen it na. Trump has done more for blacks than Obama before they before president and as a president. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:31pm On Apr 28 |
IjeBos:They almost killed our beloved president. The guy was a BlueSkyloon just like you. Going forward, how do we make sure our president is safe? What do you think about the king visiting the white house? No kings? |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Ijebosc: 4:39pm On Apr 28 |
DeepSight:It was a rally protesting the removal of a Confederate General Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee was a traitor to the US who led the South in a Civil War in the US to keep slavery and black people enslaved and killed countless Americans in the process. I have no idea why there is any statute to any traitor to the US esp. a traitor who fought to keep slavery still standing in the US. Noone there protesting the removal of that statue was a "very fine person". |
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, and in some cases celebrated, while a January 6th breach of a government building with no firearms and no successful occupation was treated as the singular threat to the republic.