patches689:


Why cant you show us a single picture of a Nigerian tanker in proper uniform and equipment?

I just showed you 10....ten, not just a single 1...one....I HAVE JUST SHOWN YOU TEN NIGERIAN TANK CREW WITH WORLD CLASS UNIFORM AND EQUIPMENT.....2 each inside each Scorpion tank ! Tank crew coverall uniforms, tank crew helmets and headgear with face protection visors and communication headphones factory fitted !

I have d.emolished your 3 day old argument with just one photo

You are hu.miliated @Patches....you are fvcking W.recked ..... (((((( BOOM ))))))

.

agaugust:


Uniform does not win you a war. Seleka has no standard uniform, but they defeated SANDF in less than 24 hours battle, many of them wearing just jeans and T-shirts, they drove out SANDF wearing special expensive cam uniforms, and a lot of boxes of spare SANDF uniforms were abandoned by the fleeing Soweto army. If Seleka wears SANDF uniform tomorrow we all know how they got it.

By the way, that incident means SANDF special uniform is now readily available for sale in the black market of Bangui
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Yet, Seleka lost hundreds of their men in relation to only 15 men that SANDF lost.

MduZA:


SA is not in competition with any country...those countries competing with SA are doing it on their own peril..their inhabitants called humans are suffering from ego and inferiority complexity...am done with you,and remember you will have my recognition when you start drinking water from a tap.."shelele"

south Africa is the most status conscious African country and your Zulu, Bantu brothers are the most misguided, ignorant self-deluding usurpers in Africa. Read the ISS report about your ignrant backward government .

agaugust:


I just showed you 10....ten, not just a single 1...one....I HAVE JUST SHOWN YOU TEN NIGERIAN TANK CREW WITH WORLD CLASS UNIFORM AND EQUIPMENT.....2 each inside each Scorpion tank ! Tank crew coverall uniforms, tank crew helmets and headgear with face protection visors and communication headphones factory fitted !

I have d.emolished your 3 day old argument with just one photo

You are hu.miliated @Patches....you are fvcking W.recked ..... ((((((Boom))))))

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Nope

You posted a photo of some guys in normal military helmets wearing welding goggles

Show us a clear picture of Nigerian tank equipment.

Can you name the helmet Nigeria uses? I can name ours.

patches689:


Nope

You posted a photo of some guys in normal military helmets wearing welding goggles

Show us a clear picture of Nigerian tank equipment.

Can you name the helmet Nigeria uses? I can name ours.

I see your hu.miliation is leading you into mental disaster

So, ordinary military helmets that every soldier wears also have those big communication headphones... LOL

It's so sweet to wreck this Patrick @Patches....he turns blue, turns red...turns into mental case

.

agaugust:


I see your hu.miliation is leading you into mental disaster

So, ordinary military helmets that every soldier wears also have those big communication headphones... LOL

It's so sweet to wreck this Patrick @Patches....he turns blue, turns red...turns into mental case

.

So pic related + some headphones + some welding googles = impressive?

Wow, you have some low standards

Msauza:



Yet, Seleka lost hundreds of their men in relation to only 15 men that SANDF lost.

Show me funeral or dead body of one single Seleka soldier, until then, NO SINGLE SELEKA REBEL DIED !

With due respect to the dead, may their gentle souls R.I.P Amen : Below is SANDF funeral of Seleka battle casualties, ONLY SANDF troopd died in Bangui as Seleka rubbished your army in broad daylight


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agaugust:


Show me funeral or dead body of one single Seleka soldier, until then, NO SINGLE SELEKA REBEL DIED !

Below is SANDF funeral of Seleka battle, ONLY SANDF troopd died in Bangui as Seleka rubbished your army in broad daylight
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Show me any rebel or terrorist group that had ever buried their comrades in arms decently. Many of them just throw their bodies in an ocean, lakes or rivers. Some bury them in a shallow grave where there is no even a single journalist to take pictures and publish them on the net.

agaugust:


I see your hu.miliation is leading you into mental disaster

So, ordinary military helmets that every soldier wears also have those big communication headphones... LOL

It's so sweet to wreck this Patrick @Patches....he turns blue, turns red...turns into mental case

.

Yeah, this is the helmet which you find so impressive

agaugust:


Show me funeral or dead body of one single Seleka soldier, until then, NO SINGLE SELEKA REBEL DIED !

With due respect to the dead, may their gentle souls R.I.P Amen : Below is SANDF funeral of Seleka battle casualties, ONLY SANDF troopd died in Bangui as Seleka rubbished your army in broad daylight


.

“They had every kind of weapon that they were fighting against us with – heavy weapons,” said Tahir. “It was a very difficult battle. We lost more than half of the the men only in my unit of 500 men.” http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels

patches689:


Yeah, this is the helmet which you find so impressive

The so called world class helmet.

patches689:




“They had every kind of weapon that they were fighting against us with – heavy weapons,” said Tahir. “It was a very difficult battle. We lost more than half of the the men only in my unit of 500 men.” http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels

Just only 200 gallant SA soldiers fighting more than 3000 heavily armed rebels.

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patches689:


So pic related + some headphones + some welding googles = impressive?

Wow, you have some low standards

Next time, mind your language !

Photo 1 : Inferior South African tank crew with ZERO eye protection and low standard kit

Photo 2 : Superior Nigerian tank crew with FULL eye protection and high standard kit

Happy Sunday...happy viewing ![/size]
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agaugust:
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high standard kit
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Someone has low standards

agaugust:
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Next time, mind your language !

Photo 1 : Inferior South African tank crew with ZERO eye protection and low standard kit

Photo 2 : Superior Nigerian tank crew with FULL eye protection and high standard kit

Happy Sunday...happy viewing ![/size]
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Photo2 I see cheap NA tank with cheap kit and cheap protective glasses. The very same kit that failed them in Gwoza resulting in their tanks hijacked by terrorists.

patches689:


Someone has low standards

Bwahahahaaha!!! those protective glasses worn by that Nigerian soldier looks like those ones worn by Marikana mine workers. They are very plenty in Marikana even kids play with them on the streets.

MikeCZAR:
Yes.
Insurgents typically use radios during attacks to report and coordinate. Your officer won't hear that if his doing basic infantry stuff.

Lol..And you think that intercepting a radio communication is done behind comfy desks and fluffy leather upholseries?

patches689:



Ok, and this proves what?

That 200 men were overwhelmed by a larger force? Who said they were trying to even stop that force in the first place?

How were they defeated? What objective did they fail to meet?

You can post it over and over, but the fact that you cannot answer simple questions shows that you have no real argument.

It proves your special forces are inept, tactless and incompetent.

Uselessness of the SANDF. CAR

[b] Pretoria - Operational commanders have painted a picture of chaos around the mission in the Central African Republic that claimed the lives of 15 South African soldiers - putting the blame squarely on the shoulders of the military’s top brass.

According to the Sunday Times, logistical blunders and feuding among military bosses led to South Africa’s ‘Mogadishu’ in March last year.



However, the military has never revealed before that all the deaths happened in a single ambush on 23 March last year when about 100 paratroopers were being transported in open vehicles through rebel territory.

Details came to light after interviews were conducted with survivors during a probe into the incident.

The newspaper reports that field commanders had pleaded for armoured personnel carriers two months before the ambush, that they had asked for sniper rifles, Rooivalk attack helicopters, Oryx transport helicopters and a reconnaissance aircraft - none of which were supplied.

Troops painted a picture of chaotic supply of weapons and equipment while dual reporting lines contributed to the logistical chaos while force commander Colonel William Dixon gave a horrific description of the lead up to the final assault that claimed the lives of the South Africans.


had become a target for reportedly helping CAR President Francois Bozize flee the country into the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

According to the report, top structures were warned by senior SANDF officers that the CAR mission amounted to "suicide".

SA Air Force aircraft were also put on standby but due to financial constraints the Gripens were not armed with weapons with an attack capacity.

SANDF soldiers reportedly struggled on the ground due to lack of logistics and air support.

Soldiers had to ask French parachutists for essential equipment, with only one doctor present with a backpack for medical support.[/b]


Patches689, mikeczar, agaugust, Jln115, saengine, lezz, naijapikingidi

patches689:


Yeah, this is the helmet which you find so impressive

Oi mate! At this rate you'll cause augubugubu to commit suicide

Henry120:


It proves your special forces are inept, tactless and incompetent.

For them to be inept, tactless and incompetent they would have failed to do something.

What did they fail to do?

Holding off a force that is at least 5X their size of a day and a half and inflicting massive casualties shows that they are better than anything you have.

MikeCZAR:
Better equipped?

Yet you can't even field a single standardised battalion?

Do you how many APCs the SANDF has?

Nigeria's military doctrine entails the military is diversified.

The SANDF is an incompetent, poorly resourced , poorly equipped excuse for a military. We've seen this fact over and over and over.


Taking photos at your rand show/exhibitions or when visiting ships come around is absolutely nothing.

South-Africa manufactures APC's, but the SANDF cannot equip it troops with these APCs.

How many APCs does South-Africa have, it surely isn't up to 500.

agaugust:
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Next time, mind your language !

Photo 1 : Inferior South African tank crew with ZERO eye protection and low standard kit

Photo 2 : Superior Nigerian tank crew with FULL eye protection and high standard kit

Happy Sunday...happy viewing ![/size]
.

So the SA army operates the TTD?

Henry120:
Uselessness of the SANDF. CAR

[b] Pretoria - Operational commanders have painted a picture of chaos around the mission in the Central African Republic that claimed the lives of 15 South African soldiers - putting the blame squarely on the shoulders of the military’s top brass.

According to the Sunday Times, logistical blunders and feuding among military bosses led to South Africa’s ‘Mogadishu’ in March last year.



However, the military has never revealed before that all the deaths happened in a single ambush on 23 March last year when about 100 paratroopers were being transported in open vehicles through rebel territory.

Details came to light after interviews were conducted with survivors during a probe into the incident.

The newspaper reports that field commanders had pleaded for armoured personnel carriers two months before the ambush, that they had asked for sniper rifles, Rooivalk attack helicopters, Oryx transport helicopters and a reconnaissance aircraft - none of which were supplied.

Troops painted a picture of chaotic supply of weapons and equipment while dual reporting lines contributed to the logistical chaos while force commander Colonel William Dixon gave a horrific description of the lead up to the final assault that claimed the lives of the South Africans.


had become a target for reportedly helping CAR President Francois Bozize flee the country into the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

According to the report, top structures were warned by senior SANDF officers that the CAR mission amounted to "suicide".

SA Air Force aircraft were also put on standby but due to financial constraints the Gripens were not armed with weapons with an attack capacity.

SANDF soldiers reportedly struggled on the ground due to lack of logistics and air support.

Soldiers had to ask French parachutists for essential equipment, with only one doctor present with a backpack for medical support.[/b]

Doctor =/= medic

Again, you can run all the smear all you want - but you fail for one reason:

For it to be a defeat, we must have failed to achieve our objectives.

Name the objectives we failed to achieve.

And from your own artical:

200 fought off 3 000 rebels

At the time, Reuters reported that about 200 South African soldiers fought off 3 000 rebels in the assault and the battle lasted between 13 and 18 hours.

Shoke says the rebels eventually came with a white flag and negotiated surrender.

EVarn:
Lol..And you think that intercepting a radio communication is done behind comfy desks and fluffy leather upholseries?

That's just one of the things intelligence officers do.

Henry120:


Nigeria's military doctrine entails the military is diversified.

The SANDF is an incompetent, poorly resourced , poorly equipped excuse for a military. We've seen this fact over and over and over.


Taking photos at your rand show/exhibitions or when visiting ships come around is absolutely nothing.

South-Africa manufactures APC's, but the SANDF cannot equip it troops with these APCs.

How many APCs does South-Africa have, it surely isn't up to 500.

We cant equip them with APC's? Where do you draw this conclusion from?

FYI, the SANDF has:

- 1200 Ratels
- 810 MRAPS

Your own sources show that the SANDF has acheived a level of competancy Nigeria could only dream of.

You try so desperatly to make the Battle of Bangui to look like the soldiers failed at their jobs, but the facts are:

- 200 men fought off 3 000
- for approximatly a day and a half
- they inflicted around 500 casualties
- they met their primary objectives: To protect the team of trainer and support staff deployed to the CAR
- they met their secondary objectives: to extract a team of paratroopers who were ambushed
- they met their anciliary objectives: to hold their base and protect (the majority of) their equipment

Only a fool try's to insult 200 men who were forced to withdraw when being attacked by over 3 000.

Meanwhile you military was pushed out of 35 towns and cities - you suffered 35 Battle of Banguis, without the bravery of the SANDF

And, while Seleka and Boko Haram were armed roughly the same (technicals), we deployed only light infantry - 3000km from home.

You lost 35 towns and cities in your own country - with the whole might of the Nigerian Army being unable to stop them.

patches689:


Again, I ask:

Who says we only have 6 APC's?

Dude, if you are lonely and want someone to talk to go to the social section of nairaland. I am not here to keep you company.

The SANDF COP is something Nigerians could only dream of, compared to your poorly entrenched position, with ammunition strewn about the place in haphazard fashion, men who dont even have a uniform, rusty old AK's no communications equipment and foreigners operating your equipment for you

Your FOB shows you only have 6 APCs, that's pathetic for a country that makes APCs.

That's an FOB that has killed over 2000 terrorists in over 13 attacks. Very effective defensive strategy. Nothing has to change.

Yeah, Troops carrying up-graded AK-74's is rusty all right. Radios were transmitting all over the place in that vice documentary.

Nigerian owned PMC was hired to help with on the ground trainings for new assets (MI-35M, Army aviation gazelle helicopters, IFV's). The government never denied this.

Henry120:


Your FOB shows you only have 6 APCs, that's pathetic for a country that makes APCs.

Again, who said it is our FOB? You?

Its a COP in the middle of the desert. A small patrol base for a half company of men.

This is so pathetic, just so so pathetic.

You are a waste of time.

Henry120:



That's an FOB that has killed over 2000 terrorists in over 13 attacks. Very effective defensive strategy. Nothing has to change.

You just doubled the number of soldiers that your men claimed to have killed.

Henry120:
Uselessness of the SANDF. CAR

[b] Pretoria - Operational commanders have painted a picture of chaos around the mission in the Central African Republic that claimed the lives of 15 South African soldiers - putting the blame squarely on the shoulders of the military’s top brass.

According to the Sunday Times, logistical blunders and feuding among military bosses led to South Africa’s ‘Mogadishu’ in March last year.



However, the military has never revealed before that all the deaths happened in a single ambush on 23 March last year when about 100 paratroopers were being transported in open vehicles through rebel territory.

Details came to light after interviews were conducted with survivors during a probe into the incident.

The newspaper reports that field commanders had pleaded for armoured personnel carriers two months before the ambush, that they had asked for sniper rifles, Rooivalk attack helicopters, Oryx transport helicopters and a reconnaissance aircraft - none of which were supplied.

Troops painted a picture of chaotic supply of weapons and equipment while dual reporting lines contributed to the logistical chaos while force commander Colonel William Dixon gave a horrific description of the lead up to the final assault that claimed the lives of the South Africans.


had become a target for reportedly helping CAR President Francois Bozize flee the country into the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

According to the report, top structures were warned by senior SANDF officers that the CAR mission amounted to "suicide".

SA Air Force aircraft were also put on standby but due to financial constraints the Gripens were not armed with weapons with an attack capacity.

SANDF soldiers reportedly struggled on the ground due to lack of logistics and air support.

Soldiers had to ask French parachutists for essential equipment, with only one doctor present with a backpack for medical support.[/b]


Patches689, mikeczar, agaugust, Jln115, saengine, lezz

Hmn, little by little the SANDF is being exposed. A ragtag army from a nation which love to pretend and flex muscle where it hasn't matured enough.

South Africa , a nation of pretenders whose army love pictures like models

patches689:


Doctor =/= medic

Again, you can run all the smear all you want - but you fail for one reason:

For it to be a defeat, we must have failed to achieve our objectives.

Name the objectives we failed to achieve.

And from your own artical:

200 fought off 3 000 rebels

At the time, Reuters reported that about 200 South African soldiers fought off 3 000 rebels in the assault and the battle lasted between 13 and 18 hours.

Shoke says the rebels eventually came with a white flag and negotiated surrender.

A medic for over 400 troops you classless liar.

Now, he says I'm running a smear campaign...... LOL!!

Deal with the facts, the SANDF is an incompetent, poorly organised pitiful, poorly trained, poorly equipped force.

Not according to reuters who were on the ground.

This is what Reuters, UN, the BBC said




"A source with the United Nations in Bangui said the South Africans had asked for assistance from French forces to help them leave the country."

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE92M0AU20130324?irpc=932

"Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels, Reuters reports."



"Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport."


"Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city."

lezz:
Hmn, little by little the SANDF is being exposed. A ragtag army from a nation which love to pretend and flex muscle where it hasn't matured enough.

South Africa , a nation of pretenders whose army love pictures like models

There is a reason he doesnt post the links for the articals he quotes - he tries to hid info:

200 fought off 3 000 rebels

At the time, Reuters reported that about 200 South African soldiers fought off 3 000 rebels in the assault and the battle lasted between 13 and 18 hours.

Shoke says the rebels eventually came with a white flag and negotiated surrender.
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Military-bosses-blamed-for-SA-soldiers-deaths-in-CAR-20141109