After1one:
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Abia is in ruins but you have not open a thread to advice them

Your statement above caught my attention. Please I need you to explain with details in what ways Abia state is in ruins.
1). What is Abia state debt profile(Internal and External) as compared to any state in the South-West.
2). Collapse of infrastructure(roads and drainages) in Aba doesn't translate to the entire state and doesn't imply economic collapse. Umuahia is infrastructurally better developed than any South-West state capital.... And that is a fact!
3). Abia state is owing salaries in batch... Just some parastatals (not the entire workforce).
4). There's very minimal external borrowing(if any). The future of our children have not been mortgaged to debts that cannot be repaid even in the next 30 years.

My friend, I want you to objectively explain how you came to the conclusion that Abia state is in ruins. I'm not here for any tribal bashing... Just facts and figures please

AhmedMustapha:

Well I don't know if you have any recent information on the economic buoyancy of Nigerian states but as at 2007 the top 10(in terms of GDP)

Egbon, I hope you're not living in the past like Buhari. We're in 2015 and you're quoting 2007 figures. Between then and now, we've had three presidents... One served for 3 years and died in office (may his soul rest in peace). His successor served for 6 years and has left office. The current president recently just returned from West Germany.

Eight years is a long time bro. You need to dig up current (and valid) data.

AhmedMustapha:

You never gave paper evidence Sir! It was when I got tired of the half-truths the post was filled with you got paper evidence from ME of how the SE states (the ones governed by PDP I mean) were owing tons of workers

Did I pluck the information from the blues if I have no access to existing statistics and what's on ground...Maybe that I brought some to show you later, how does it make my assertions false?...Nawa for some reasoning sha...

huptin:



All these fake statistics u keep posting to keep your self happy means nothing. The reality is that the south east is by far the least developed region in Nigeria, was it not just 2 years ago that the first international airport started operating in the east? Do you have a sea or even river port? Again how many standard universities do you have? How many industries? How many good and motorable roads?

You think a place is developed because of a few mansions being built here and there in the bush? Face the east and stop posting fake statistics to make your self happy, that was exactly the way Okonjo Iweala was busy posting stupid statistics while the nation was sinking, while in reality, she has been borrowing money to pay salaries.

Boy travel out of your cave and see...ignorance is actually making you seem too empty to be engaged... Smh... Maybe to you, Nigeria starts from Shagamu and ends in badagry...it is unfortunate how people are not ashamed to display crass ignorance on public forum...

AhmedMustapha:

No matter how nebulous you try to be, what your post says is simple "The people of the SW, the APC have veiled you with propaganda, look at how your SE/SS brothers under PDP are doing, don't you want to be like them?"
And my reply to that is simple all the PDP states you mention are owing salaries and other arrears, Abia, Ebonyi and Enugu the supposed model PDP states are sunk in debt, Enugu is even the most-indebted in the SE

once you drop your partisan lens...you will see more.

APC through wicked propaganda confused a people that their problem is PDP...and by my post, I am showing to all that their problem is within and not PDP as they are meant to believe...

Whatever myopic stance you wanna take is up to you...thanks

Whynotthetruth:


once you drop your partisan lens...you will see more.

APC through wicked propaganda confused a people that their problem is PDP...and by my post, I am showing to all that their problem is within and not PDP as they are meant to believe...

Whatever myopic stance you wanna take is up to you...thanks

Wicked propaganda and all the other rubbish you keep spewing remains your own fixation and made up preoccupation since the fact that salaries in Osun have not been paid is no news to the rest of Nigeria.

You regurgitating it all over the place with your wicked propaganda nonsense is nothing but redundancy and tribal baiting.

You jokers beat your chests to high heaven and scream and yell about Osun state everyday when in fact nearly all your states owe salaries and pensions...

Please stop bothering us with your 419 lies and deceptive topic because it's a reflection of your own tribal worries.

barcanista:
Having read the thread from page 0 to page 3, I feel so sad with the level of deploration that our federating units have become.

@Whynotthetruth: You did well by bringing out the ills of states though I would have preferred that you do a total analyses instead of comparative analyses. Some people misinterpreterd your intentions to be targeting a particular region based on their own assessment. Anyway, you did well.

thanks...but I chose what I write on just like I did here...if they feel aggrieved, what stops them from opening another thread to do a holistic analysis...

Mine was simply done to show them that the enemy is within and not where they are searching...PDP is not their enemy as APC has made them believe through propaganda while milking them dry....

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fx45:

Your statement above caught my attention. Please I need you to explain with details in what ways Abia state is in ruins.
1). What is Abia state debt profile(Internal and External) as compared to any state in the South-West.
2). Collapse of infrastructure(roads and drainages) in Aba doesn't translate to the entire state and doesn't imply economic collapse. Umuahia is infrastructurally better developed than any South-West state capital.... And that is a fact!
3). Abia state is owing salaries in batch... Just some parastatals (not the entire workforce).
4). There's very minimal external borrowing(if any). The future of our children have not been mortgaged to debts that cannot be repaid even in the next 30 years.

My friend, I want you to objectively explain how you came to the conclusion that Abia state is in ruins. I'm not here for any tribal bashing... Just facts and figures please

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Abia state was listed as the state that had not paid its civil servants salaries running into nine months. The state is also said to be owing workers of the Hospital Management Board eight months’ salary; Abia State Universal Basic Education Board, six months; Abia State Polytechnic, five months; local government workers, four months; and teachers, three months’ salary arrears.

http://theabujatimes.com/news/national-news-highlights/nlc-plans-indefinite-strike-due-to-unpaid-salaries-in-18-states/

You can cut, dice and make all the silly excuses you don't accord other states because of your tribal fixations, Abia is owing civil servants across the board and it doesn't even matter who, the state still owe workers salaries and still have debts. Debt is debt.

Look up the meaning of facts before uttering the the word FACTS..

whitecat1:
The Op is an ibo that wants to denigrate the SW!

I can't believe Aigbofa and the rest of you fell for it!

Every negative story they write about SW/Yoruba, they ibos/SE have it worse but, hide it. Example is 7 months payments a Yoruba governor owe making daily news by ibos, while an ibo governor that is owing 10 months is almost invisible!

Why not go back to the original post and see where Imo state an oil producing state like Ondo but is owing 13months was talked about but because your tribal lens seems permanently glued to your eye, you fail to see such...Why not go back again and read now without prejudice hence you will see the aim and motive of this info...and see if there's any lie here...

aresa:



It really wasn't hard to spot the usual ibo lies, ignorance and deception. Funny enough, the joker didn't do basic research hence claiming enugu and eboyin are financially stable when in fact they are they are equally in debt and are owing salaries .

The ignorant OP is intellectually lazy and fraudulent..

I don't quote you normally in this forum having noted you as a professional and irredeemable bigot...

Show me where in the article it is said that no SE state is owing...

Is being economically viable same thing as being declared insolvent

Debt in those states is sustainable unlike their counterparts as stated in the post but bigotry won't allow you read and understand...

Whynotthetruth:


thanks...but I chose what I write on just like I did here...if they feel aggrieved, what stops them from opening another thread to do a holistic analysis...

Mine was simply done to show them that the enemy is within and not where they are searching...PDP is not their enemy as APC has made them believe through propaganda while milking them dry....

This is a discussion forum and when topics are started, people jump in to discuss your topic and tender facts to dispute your assertions.

In case you are ignorant per the concept of discussion forum, it is not where you start any kind of topic you like with whatever flawed assertions and expect not to be challenged.

You claimed you based your ignorant thread on APC's wicked propaganda. Do you even mind showing us the said APC propaganda you keep ventilating about?

You are not any different from the rest of the tribal trolls on NL littering the whole place with tribal fixations and unintelligent assertions that they can not prove or defend...

Aigbofa:


Based on their own assessment or based on what is obvious and glaring to everyone.
He specifically mentioned SW states when several SE states are facing the same issues.

Yes...I matched states with similar conditions...
Osun...Ebonyi...
Oyo....Enugu...
Ondo... Imo...etc...They all operate under same economic conditions...Difference now lies in leadership of these states and their LGA...not with buhari or Jonathan or any president...that's all this article is saying...Hold these your local leaders accountable not just waiting for federal government which is not bound by constitution as a grassroot government to do anything in your locality...

Whynotthetruth:


I don't quote you normally in this forum having noted you as a professional and irredeemable bigot...

Show me where in the article it is said that no SE state is owing...

Is being economically viable same thing as being declared insolvent

Debt in those states is sustainable unlike their counterparts as stated in the post but bigotry won't allow you read and understand...

Why not answer your own question by showing us where you highlighted other debtor states in the SE.

Of course you not only left out the SE, but you also lied by claiming that Eboyin and Enugu are financially buoyant when in fact they are in debt and owe salaries just like the SW states you are killing yourself over.

Of what relevance is economically viable or insolvent? Are you ready to state categorically with facts and data who is viable and insolvent? If you are, please step forward with your facts and data with official government declaration of viability and insolvency..

And you know debts in those state are sustainable because you have official government economic and financial data to share with us or this is just another one of your bogus and meaningless claims that you can not prove.?

First eboyin and enugu are financially stable when in fact they are officially broke and owe salaries, not you are saying their debt is sustainable?

To make such claim, don't you first have to show us exactly what they owe in form of financial obligations, overheads, income streams and ability to generate unrestrained income especially with dwindling allocations across the board and so on?


Dude, you are not sitting in the middle of the village square telling stories to little kids. Speak intelligently with assertive facts and knowledge per what you can prove with documented facts and record.

SarahBabyxx:


''If Enugu is still forging ahead strong economically,
why should Oyo state be bleeding?''

^^this is what you said....you also forgot to add that Enugu is one of the most indebted states in SE....infact it is one of the most indebted states as a whole

www.vanguardngr.com/2015/04/huge-debts-await-buhari-in-coming-govs/

I wonder how a state 'forging ahead strong economically' is neck-deep in debt


Still need me to tell you why I think you're biased??

Just like my article said lots of smart by half individuals all over...

I didn't wanna deviate from my topic before now...but let me take you on your own link...

According to your own source now;

1)Most indebted region is SW...

2)Least indebted region is SE...

3)SW states like Ogun, Oyo, Osun debts are greater or by far more than what Enugu is owing...

4)ALL states in SW are owing....

5)Abia state refused to raise bonds because they don't wanna mortgage their future through bonds...

So babe, how am I biased here...don't join the bandwagon plzzzzzz...your problem is within and not where your leaders are pointing....

Whynotthetruth:


Yes...I matched states with similar conditions...
Osun...Ebonyi...
Oyo....Enugu...
Ondo... Imo...etc...They all operate under same economic conditions...Difference now lies in leadership of these states and their LGA...not with buhari or Jonathan or any president...that's all this article is saying...Hold these your local leaders accountable not just waiting for federal government which is not bound by constitution as a grassroot government to do anything in your locality...

If Ebonyi state is still healthy economically

That was just silly because both states are in the same situation, they both owe workers salaries..


^^^^ You said Ebonyi is healthy economically when in fact it's broke, in debt and can't pay salaries.

So, what exactly is the meaning of your own definition or meaning of economically healthy?


Is it possible to be unable to meet your financial obligations, own workers and still be healthy economically?

Do you even read over your own post before hitting submit or you are just on drugs?

AhmedMustapha:

I was equally shocked when I read that part. A little research doesn't kill

Sometimes, it is good you marry your bed when u don't understand a thing...

Does the fact that those SE states are owing make them any less viable based on the ingenuity of their leaders as compared to their less fortunate brothers elsewhere...

Ebonyi is owing but is viable compared to Osun...Enugu is owing but more stable compared to Oyo...These are states I know both on paper and in reality...

Did you even care to read the vanguard link you provided?...hehehehe...nawa

aresa:





You obviously don't read over what you post. You not only dabbled into infrastructure in your original post, it was part of your argument and what you based your flawed assertions so why go elsewhere or start a new thread to debate that?

Quit being crookedly deceptive and disingenuous.

Nawa...how did the short statement you quoted analyze infrastructure on ground vis a vis debts burden of respective states...smh

Whynotthetruth:



Just like my article said lots of smart by half or half baked individuals all over...

I didn't wanna deviate from my topic before now...but let me take me on your own link...

According to your own source now;

1)Most indebted region is SW...

2)Least indebted region is SE...

3)SW states like Ogun, Oyo, Osun debts are greater or by far more than what Enugu is owing...

4)ALL states in SW are owing....

5)Abia state refused to raise bonds because they don't wanna mortgage their future through bonds...

So babe, how am I biased here...don't join the bandwagon plzzzzzz...your problem is within and not where your leaders are pointing....

So, to cut long story short, when you owe less money than other people, you are a good debtor just like calling yourself a good thief because you stole less money than other people who stole more?

Are you still not a damn thief? You jokers come up with the most insane, shallow and unintelligent nonsense ever..

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Enahi:
Nice write up@ Op but i don't think your write up should focus on South West States alone.
The truth is we don't have leaders that have an idea about what Government is about. Nigerians really need to wake up and stop been tribalistic.

Nigerians need to fight against Godfatherism,tribalism,corruption and selfish interest.
I don't know why people like Tinubu with shady past should be the one to dictate what goes on in South West.

Nigerian Politics Stinks.

thanks ...unfortunately they all chose to see my article through an ethnic lens...Most unfortunate but true situation in Nigeria today is that truth and facts are viewed using three prong criteria of; (1)Religion... (2)Tribe...(3)Party....I wonder if Nigeria will survive it...

aresa:



Keep quiet and stop ranting. The thread itself is ethnic and tribal so sit calm your ass.ss down..

Worthless engaging one who sees all through ethnic lens...

adconline:
Immoral of the story: it's ok to owe state workers so long as your tribe can defend you.. It's also ok to borrow money and squander! Naija is irredeemable!! Do children of owed workers read our comments? How has this country raised a generation of heartless And insensitive people??

As a boy back then with parents as civil servants, I can imagine how we felt then and what these guys would be undergoing now...Unfortunately, we defend the people stealing or mismanaging these funds and invent excuses on their behalf while shifting blames to others far away....God save Nigeria...

fx45:

Your statement above caught my attention. Please I need you to explain with details in what ways Abia state is in ruins.
1). What is Abia state debt profile(Internal and External) as compared to any state in the South-West.
2). Collapse of infrastructure(roads and drainages) in Aba doesn't translate to the entire state and doesn't imply economic collapse. Umuahia is infrastructurally better developed than any South-West state capital.... And that is a fact!
3). Abia state is owing salaries in batch... Just some parastatals (not the entire workforce).
4). There's very minimal external borrowing(if any). The future of our children have not been mortgaged to debts that cannot be repaid even in the next 30 years.

My friend, I want you to objectively explain how you came to the conclusion that Abia state is in ruins. I'm not here for any tribal bashing... Just facts and figures please

thanks bro...most of them equate Aba to Abia without distinguishing that one is a subset of the other...

SarahBabyxx ...sentiments are somewhat part of politics but don't make it your determinant factor...

it is easier to support your ethnic group but do it with wisdom...

it is fun to shift blames to others for failures...but no problem can conquer you unless from inside...all failures and problems of masses are by their own people and then by external forces as secondary...

thanks and goodnight...

Whynotthetruth:


Worthless engaging one who sees all through ethnic lens...

You really don't have to share with me what you see in the mirror every morning.


You are shallow and unintelligent and the fact that you peddle ethno tribal rubbish means double jeopardy for you...

Whynotthetruth:


thanks bro...most of them equate Aba to Abia without distinguishing that one is a subset of the other...

Lol,dnt tel me u agree wit im dat umaiha is more developed dan a sw state capitals

fx45:

Egbon, I hope you're not living in the past like Buhari. We're in 2015 and you're quoting 2007 figures. Between then and now, we've had three presidents... One served for 3 years and died in office (may his soul rest in peace). His success served for 6 years and has left office. The current president recently just returned from West Germany.

Eight years is a long time bro. You need to dig up current (and valid) data.

You are funny though- you never read where I asked to be provided with recent info on the economic buoyancy of states only to give a reply stating the same thing I said. I knew things had changed that's why I wanted recent info

@Whynotthetruth

Well written article, apt and intuitive. Well done bro.

Whynotthetruth:


once you drop your partisan lens... you will see more.

APC through wicked propaganda confused a people that their problem is PDP...and by my post, I am showing to all that their problem is within and not PDP as they are meant to believe...

Whatever myopic stance you wanna take is up to you...thanks

And I should applaud you because you wrote this with your patriotic lens? The post from top to bottom drips with your hypocrisy and I'm sure you're vexed that I played into your hypocritical game and beat you at it

Another SW ppl are blind crap!!

You would have made perfect sense if you were referring to Nigerians as a whole and you would have made some sense more than now if you were referring to SS/SE.

No Region is dumber than these two regions in Nigeria. No region is more ethnically biased than SE in Nigeria and no region has been cheated than SS in Nigeria! SE has no struggle with any region. Their problem in the east is simple; one way traffic minds!! Follow follow and ethnic politics!! Take that out of SE and see them shoot high! Tell SS to prosecute their leaders!! Kill them all! There are two federal ministries handling ND alone plus 13% derivation yet they live in poverty lmao!! And their leaders make sure they point to Abuja and Notyherners as their problem!!

Did you know that oil bunkering also reduce the revenue and as that, your 13% worth reduced too? Did you know Ateke, Asari, Tompolo, Odili and many of your Chiefs are into oil bunkering? Did they use their I'll gotten wealth to help you?

ND shove your eyes!!! You are the most cheated region in Nigeria!!

Now op, gan solve the problems in the east and SS first. Blind foooools pretending to be intellectuals. The northern youths are feared by their leaders. They know they can be lynched anytime they provoke them.

The SW is just blinded by "sophistication" ! Sophistication is not practical among animals.. that hates you from east to North to south.. Especially the east!! The fucking hatred Igbos have displayed for Yorubas in Nigeria is appalling considering after SE, the next place in the world to find Igbos in millions is Yoruba land. You want to marry their women, trouble! You don't vote for their preferred candidate, trouble!! As much as Igbos on this forum like to preach the "Igbos believe in individual freedom blah blah" the last election exposed their falsehood!
Yorubas just need to wake up! There were Yotubas in PDP too and PDP ruined Nigeria till now!
Leadership is not party orientation but no quality leadership can come from PDP they party doesn't envourage that. APC on the other hand instead of being very strict, left the floor open knowing fully well the ppl are not fully enlightened enough to pick a good leader, allowed for the mixture of bad quality and good quality. Atiku have no business in APC if Buhari is serious about power! Atiku who owns a generator manufacturing company..

Whynotthetruth:


Sometimes, it is good you marry your bed when u don't understand a thing...

Does the fact that those SE states are owing make them any less viable based on the ingenuity of their leaders as compared to their less fortunate brothers elsewhere...

Ebonyi is owing but is viable compared to Osun...Enugu is owing but more stable compared to Oyo...These are states I know both on paper and in reality...


Did you even care to read the vanguard link you provided?...hehehehe...nawa

You know nothing about these states! You said Enugu and Ebonyi weren't owing, that was trashed here with facts, now you run around claiming Enugu and Ebonyi are more viable than Oyo and Osun yet you still do it without facts but you claim APC uses propaganda. My stand on this is simple, if you can't denounce the incompetent governments of the SE then you have no right to give your political and unsolicited advice to others. I posted on this thread that as at 2007 only one SE state made the list of top 10 economically buoyant Nigerian states, I expected a rebuttal and a 2015 report showing the position of the 5 SE states, none provided yet you speak of viability and your supposed claims of ingenuity of the administrators of these states. I don't know if Martin Elechi and Theodore Orji pass as ingenious to you, if they do then I'm sorry to say you have a bigger problem than the governments you intended demystifying with this thread.
You need to deal with that and save your ponderous attempts at wit for some other day.