malvisguy212:
^^^This Qur’anic verse specifically mentions the death of Jesus before his ascension to heaven:

Surah 3:55: Lo! God said: “O Jesus!
Verily, I shall cause thee to die, and
shall exalt thee unto Me, and
cleanse thee of the presence of those
who are bent on denying the truth;
and I shall place those who follow
thee far above those who are bent on
denying the truth, unto the Day of
Resurrection.” (Asad)

This verse emphasizes that Allah caused
Jesus to die before he was raised to
heaven. But more importantly, this verse shows that the death and ascension of Jesus occurred before the “Day of Judgement.” In other words, before the second coming of Jesus. This is verified by the fact that after mentioning the death and ascension of Jesus, the Qur’an states that the disciples of Jesus will be placed above the disbelievers until the “Day of Judgement” – clearly a future event that is yet to occur.

I laugh where the hell did u get that useless translation ^^^^^^
my whole life I've never met any Quran Translation by the author Asad.
it was never meaning I will cause thee to die.
it means God will take Him and raise him to Himself.

see a list of the top 7 translations part of which you've used several times.

you failed again

this verse even strengthen that fact that Allah saved Jesus and took him up to himself saving him and that he wasn't killed. Thanks for doing me this favor
Read the verse again

[url]corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=55[/url]

mubarakopeyemi:


I laugh where the hell did u get that useless translation ^^^^^^
my whole life I've never met any Quran Translation by the author Asad.
it was never meaning I will cause thee to die.
it means God will take Him and raise him to Himself.

see a list of the top 7 translations part of which you've used several times.

you failed again

this verse even strengthen that fact that Allah saved Jesus and took him up to himself saving him and that he wasn't killed. Thanks for doing me this favor
Read the verse again

[url]corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=55[/url]

the term “die” is translated from the Arabic word, “mutawaffika.” The term “mutawaffika” occurs over 25 times in the Qur’an, and in each case it refers to the death of someone. Especially enlightening is its usage in Surah 39:42:

“It is Allah that takes (mutawaffika)
the souls (of men) at death; and
those that die not (He takes)
(m utawaffika) during their sleep:
those on whom He has passed the
decree of death.” (Yusuf Ali)

Thus, it is important to note that if Qur’an translators (like Yusuf Ali) prefer to use another phrase such as, “Thou didst take me up” (mutawaffika) instead of “Thou didst cause me to die” (mutawaffika) in their translations,
it means the same thing in the Arabic
Qur’an. It means death.

^^^ Surah 5:75: The Messiah, son of
Marium is but a messenger;
messengers before him have
indeed passed away; and his mother
was a truthful woman; they both used
to eat food. See how We make the
communications clear to them, then
behold, how they are turned away.
(Shakir)
Surah 3:144: And Muhammad is no
more than a messenger; the
messengers have already passed
away BEFORE HIM; if then he dies or
is killed will you turn back upon your
heels? (Shakir)

The first Surah clearly states that all
messengers before Jesus had died. A
fact that Muslims will not deny. And the
second Surah states that all messengers
BEFORE Muhammad have also passed
away in death. Islam teaches that no
prophet arose between Jesus and
Muhammad. Thus, the immediate
messenger before Muhammad was
Jesus. As such, the second Surah seems
to specifically point to the fact that Jesus
too had died. In Arabic, the term for
messengers in the above two Surahs is
“al-rasul” which literally means “the
messengers.” According to grammatical
rules of classic Arabic, owing to the prefix “al” (the), the word messengers in the above two verses really means all
messengers.

malvisguy212:
the term “die” is translated from the Arabic word, “mutawaffika.” The term “mutawaffika” occurs over 25 times in the Qur’an, and in each case it refers to the death of someone. Especially enlightening is its usage in Surah 39:42:

“It is Allah that takes (mutawaffika)
the souls (of men) at death; and
those that die not (He takes)
(m utawaffika) during their sleep:
those on whom He has passed the
decree of death.” (Yusuf Ali)

Thus, it is important to note that if Qur’an translators (like Yusuf Ali) prefer to use another phrase such as, “Thou didst take me up” (mutawaffika) instead of “Thou didst cause me to die” (mutawaffika) in their translations,
it means the same thing in the Arabic
Qur’an. It means death.

it doesn't
Arabic language is wider beyond your knowledge.
So u can't just literally translate things into other languages.

was it only Yusuf Ali u see there? because you only picked Yusuf Ali

I see seven other translators whose translation are in line with themselves. Who the hell is Asad? if his translation was reliable it could have made that list.

what you're telling me here is ignore seven transaltions from seven diff translators which are thesm in meaning and take just one which is not in line with the others when indeed the translator is not Internationally approved by world Islamic Quranic Transition body.

your bias needs to stop.

mubarakopeyemi:


it doesn't
Arabic language is wider beyond your knowledge.
So u can't just literally translate things into other languages.

was it only Yusuf Ali u see there? because you only picked Yusuf Ali

I see seven other translators whose translation are in line with themselves. Who the hell is Asad? if his translation was reliable it could have made that list.

what you're telling me here is ignore seven transaltions from seven diff translators which are thesm in meaning and take just one which is not in line with the others when indeed the translator is not Internationally approved by world Islamic Quranic Transition body.

your bias needs to stop.

Surah 3:55
God said, “O Jesus, I shall cause you
to die and will raise you up to Me
and shall clear you [of the calumnies]
of the disbelievers, and shall place
those who follow you above those
who deny the truth, until the Day of
Judgement.” (W. Khan)

Now reconciled this verse with this:

Surah 39:42:
“It is Allah that takes (mutawaffika)
the souls (of men) at death; and
those that die not (He takes)
(m utawaffika) during their sleep:
those on whom He has passed the
decree of death.” (Yusuf Ali)

Alright, and this verse tell us that ALL messenger have passway:

Surah 3:144: And Muhammad is no
more than a messenger; the
messengers have already passed
away BEFORE HIM; if then he dies or
is killed will you turn back upon your
heels? (Shakir)

if Surah 3:144 intends to exclude Jesus as one of the messengers who passed away before Muhammad, then it would have read, “All the Apostles before Muhammad died except Isa son of Maryam.” But we find no such thing.
Hence Surah 3:144 proves that Jesus
must have died as the Gospels clearly
and honestly testify.

I notice, you are running from the question I ask, rilwayn could not answer it either, did John die or not ?

malvisguy212:
^^^ Surah 5:75: The Messiah, son of
Marium is but a messenger;
messengers before him have
indeed passed away; and his mother
was a truthful woman; they both used
to eat food. [/b]See how We make the
communications clear to them, then
behold, how they are turned away.
(Shakir)

[b]Surah 3:144: And Muhammad is no
more than a messenger; the
messengers have already passed
away BEFORE HIM; if then he dies or
is killed will you turn back upon your
heels? (Shakir)

The first Surah clearly states that all
messengers before Jesus had died. A
fact that Muslims will not deny. And the
second Surah states that all messengers
BEFORE Muhammad have also passed
away in death. Islam teaches that no
prophet arose between Jesus and
Muhammad. Thus, the immediate
messenger before Muhammad was
Jesus. As such, the second Surah seems
to specifically point to the fact that Jesus
too had died. In Arabic, the term for
messengers in the above two Surahs is
“al-rasul” which literally means “the
messengers.” According to grammatical
rules of classic , owing to the prefix “al” (the), the word messengers in the above two verses really means all
messengers.

stop confusing yourself the more. as highlighted above in the Verse you intend to promote your bias with. I Hope u now believe now that 1- Jesus is not in any way son of God or God he is Just a Messenger and he ate food like every other Human Does God eat? see how Allah make the communication clear to you but behold you continue in your delusion.

secondly. no where in Quran 3:144 was it stated that ALL MESSNEGERS before Muhammad has died. It clearsly states that Messengers before him had passed away. not all which means Jesus is exclusive of the dead messengers.

in regards to the red highlighted you are dam.n wrong!! I study Arabic and know about it. and the term Ar-rasul means "Messenger" in plain it can never mean All messengers. which is "Kullu Ar-rusul" you're utterly wrong!!
and also no where in Arabic I repeat no where in Arabic shall u see a "al" as a prefix before an /r/ pronouncing sound and no where does it even stand for plural if the correct prefix which is "ar" is used for it. No where is Ar-rasul meaning to be plural in Arabic as "all messengers" the plural is "rusul" that which I'm sure of. when we talk of arabics I can lecture you on that a whole day.

mubarakopeyemi:

you care for some?

No thanks, I try hard not to consume unhygienic stuffs.

malvisguy212:

Surah 3:55
God said, “O Jesus, I shall cause you
to die and will raise you up to Me
and shall clear you [of the calumnies]
of the disbelievers, and shall place
those who follow you above those
who deny the truth, until the Day of
Judgement.” (W. Khan)

Now reconciled this verse with this:

Surah 39:42:
“It is Allah that takes (mutawaffika)
the souls (of men) at death; and
those that die not (He takes)
(m utawaffika) during their sleep:
those on whom He has passed the
decree of death.” (Yusuf Ali)

Alright, and this verse tell us that ALL messenger have passway:

Surah 3:144: And Muhammad is no
more than a messenger; the
messengers have already passed
away BEFORE HIM; if then he dies or
is killed will you turn back upon your
heels? (Shakir)

if Surah 3:144 intends to exclude Jesus as one of the messengers who passed away before Muhammad, then it would have read, “All the Apostles before Muhammad died except Isa son of Maryam.” But we find no such thing.
Hence Surah 3:144 proves that Jesus
must have died as the Gospels clearly
and honestly testify.

I notice, you are running from the question I ask, rilwayn could not answer it either, did John die or not ?

take that translation out of my face as it is not accepted. I've given the list of correct translations if you like accept it if you like don't. I dont know where you find your own Yusul Alli translation for Quran 39:42 because what I have here is different from yours and I've read the Arabic verse also no where also does it have Mutawafika.

why do keep giving me false translations just to validate your false claims is that what Paul taught you?

SMH

[url]corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=39&verse=42[/url]

mubarakopeyemi:


stop confusing yourself the more. as highlighted above in the Verse you intend to promote your bias with. I Hope u now believe now that 1- Jesus is not in any way son of God or God he is Just a Messenger and he ate food like every other Human Does God eat? see how Allah make the communication clear to you but behold you continue in your delusion.

secondly. no where in Quran 3:144 was it stated that ALL MESSNEGERS before Muhammad has died. It clearsly states that Messengers before him had passed away. not all which means Jesus is exclusive of the dead messengers.

in regards to the red highlighted you are dam.n wrong!! I study Arabic and know well about it. and the term Ar-rasul means "Messenger" in plain it can never mean All messengers. which is "Rusul" you're utterly wrong!!
and also no where in Arabic I repeat no where in Arabic shall u see a "al" as a prefix before an /r/ pronouncing sound and no where does it even stand for plural if the correct prefix which is "ar" is used for it. No where is Ar-rasul meaning to be plural in Arabic as "messengers" the plural is "rusul" that which I'm sure of. when we talk of arabics I can lecture you on that a whole day.

we are talking about the death of Jesus and not His divine nature.

Its seems like you guys are very good in twisting quranic verses, may God pluck you out from this satanic deception. The quran say every soul must test death:

Surah 21:35: Every soul must taste
of death, and We try you with evil
and with good, for ordeal. And unto
Us ye will be returned. (Pickthall)

Every human being is bound to die according to this quranic verse. And the quran claims all prophet were human:

Surah 21:7-8: Before thee, also, the
messengers We sent were but MEN,
to whom We granted inspiration: If ye
realise this not, ask of those who
possess the Message. Nor did We give
them bodies that ate no food, nor
were they exempt from death.
(Yusuf Ali)

And the Qur’an makes it clear that it
includes Jesus:

Surah 5:75: The Messiah, son of
Mary, was no other than a
messenger, messengers (the like of
whom) had passed away before
him. And his mother was a saintly
woman. And they both used to eat
(earthly) food. Pickthall)

As we can see, the denial of the death of Jesus leads to many theological problems for Muslims. The only way out of this difficult situation is for Muslims to deny that Jesus is a human being. But then,they will run into more serious problems with the Qur’an. Because of the contradictory statement in Surah 4:157, Muslims have to torture themselves to re-interpret the verses that point to the death of Christ Jesus. Muslim scholars are torn between making Jesus exempt from death on account of Allah’s clear testimony that Jesus did not die in Surah 4:157 and all these other verses that subject Jesus to death.

malvisguy212:
we are talking about the death of Jesus and not His divine nature.

after all you trusted the verse and wanted to use it in the wrong way to justify your false claim. why not use it to justify the fact that he's merely a messenger. yeye dey smell. Such a hypocrite you are.

Its seems like you guys are very good in twisting quranic verses, may God pluck you out from this satanic deception. The quran say every soul must test death:


Surah 21:35: Every soul must taste
of death, and We try you with evil
and with good, for ordeal. And unto
Us ye will be returned. (Pickthall)

yes that's why Jesus will come back and destroy addajal and die a natural death which he will buried in the Arabia. And later on judgement day too All shall be dead and Allah shall remain over a period of time.

And the quran claims all prophet were human:

Surah 21:7-8: Before thee, also, the
messengers We sent were but MEN,
to whom We granted inspiration: If ye
realise this not, ask of those who
possess the Message. Nor did We give
them bodies that ate no food, nor
were they exempt from death.
(Yusuf Ali)

And the Qur’an makes it clear that it
includes Jesus:

Surah 5:75: The Messiah, son of
Mary, was no other than a
messenger, messengers (the like of
whom) had passed away before
him. And his mother was a saintly
woman. And they both used to eat
(earthly) food. Pickthall)

already dealth with this.

[s]

as we can see, the denial of the death of Jesus leads to many theological problems for Muslims. The only way out of this difficult situation is for Muslims to deny that Jesus is a human being. But then,they will run into more serious problems with the Qur’an. Because of the contradictory statement in Surah 4:157, Muslims have to torture themselves to re-interpret the verses that point to the death of Christ Jesus. Muslim scholars are torn between making Jesus exempt from death on account of Allah’s clear testimony that Jesus did not die in Surah 4:157 and all these other verses that subject Jesus to death.

[/s]

trash!

mubarakopeyemi:


are you still talking. oh Gosh. I just realize how windbaggy you're.
All I hear is noise.
Noises from a somewhat pained deluded foo.l

Am so sure you are regretting ever copied lies from a such erronic website and ending up mocking yourself and exposing your religion the more...

mubarakopeyemi:
[/s]

Any sense from this. obviously no!
Rather than reason with brain you reason with your anus.

Now listen cheapdog. No one is that blind or stupi.d, an alien could decipher how desperate you are for Attention.

You are disgraceful here.... did Allah took John the Baptist too? Jesus died but later did not die
What a pity. Like I said before, Muhammad (stress be upon him) is a copier. His numerous contradictions in the coran is as a result of copying the bible to form his religion. The Jews said they have killed the Messiah... OMG this @malvisguy212 don fall your hand welwel no be small....

plappville:


Am so sure you are regretting ever copied lies from a such erronic website and ending up mocking yourself and exposing your religion the more...

you again

plappville:


[s]You are disgraceful here.... did Allah took John the Baptist too? Jesus died but later did not die
What a pity. Like I said before, Muhammad (stress be upon him) is a copier. His numerous contradictions in the coran is as a result of copying the bible to form his religion. The Jews said they have killed the Messiah... OMG this @malvisguy212 don fall your hand welwel no be small.... [/s]

of them all i can categorically state that you're the lamest. you've gone from being nonsensical to being stupid 20 times and back. afterall Malvis is trying his best to coin his way out on the Quran but you? hahaha you're just dumb.

mubarakopeyemi:
[/s]

Yawns

Next time Think well before creating a thread on a thing you have no knowledge about. Anyway, thanks to this thread. At least I have learned some new lies of Muhammad.. Jesus died but later did not die. What a confused man..

Hahaha....freedom of speech

mubarakopeyemi:


of them all i can categorically state that you're the lamest. you've gone from being nonsensical to being stupid 20 times and back. afterall Malvis is trying his best to coin his way out on the Quran but you? hahaha you're just dumb.

You have nothing else to defend/refute here. Your own thread has exposed Islam more....
malvisguy212 and scholar8200 don finish you...

plappville:



Next time Think well before creating a thread on a thing you have no knowledge about. Anyway, thanks to this thread. At least I have learned some new lies of Muhammad.. Jesus died but later did not die. What a confused man..

no where did I say that Jesus die and that he didn't die again. That's how Paul taught you. liers!

mubarakopeyemi:


wasted efforts
at least I expect a brain to be up there

This man @malvisguy212 finished you with your own book (coran) yet you call that wasted efforts just a way to shamefully agreed he was right I think...

plappville:


You have nothing else to defend/refute here. Your own thread has exposed Islam more....
malvisguy212 and scholar8200 don finish you...

for your mind.

mubarakopeyemi:


no where did I say that Jesus die and that he didn't die again. That's how Paul taught you. liers!

Your coran the fabricated book from a child mole.st self claimed prophet of Allah said so...

plappville:


Your coran the fabricated book from a child mole.st self claimed prophet of Allah said so...

oya no where in the Quran was it said that Jesus was dead and alive again dullard

malvisguy212:
the term “die” is translated from the Arabic word, “mutawaffika.” The term “mutawaffika” occurs over 25 times in the Qur’an, and in each case it refers to the death of someone. Especially enlightening is its usage in Surah 39:42:

“It is Allah that takes (mutawaffika)
the souls (of men) at death; and
those that die not (He takes)
(m utawaffika) during their sleep:
those on whom He has passed the
decree of death.” (Yusuf Ali)

Thus, it is important to note that if Qur’an translators (like Yusuf Ali) prefer to use another phrase such as, “Thou didst take me up” (mutawaffika) instead of “Thou didst cause me to die” (mutawaffika) in their translations,
it means the same thing in the Arabic
Qur’an. It means death.

Waoh, you have done great research on this. This Abok.i BP will soon run high. Thanks for exposing Muhammad's lies/contradictions. I know more are coming. Great job.

mubarakopeyemi:


oya no where in the Quran was it said that Jesus was dead and alive again dullard

Abok.i you have seen these verses from your own koran. When you were cought red handed. You diverted to place the fault on translation. Always running away from the truth..

malvisguy212:

Surah 3:55
God said, “O Jesus, I shall cause you
to die and will raise you up to Me
and shall clear you [of the calumnies]
of the disbelievers, and shall place
those who follow you above those
who deny the truth, until the Day of
Judgement.” (W. Khan)

Now reconciled this verse with this:

Surah 39:42:
“It is Allah that takes (mutawaffika)
the souls (of men) at death; and
those that die not (He takes)
(m utawaffika) during their sleep:
those on whom He has passed the
decree of death.” (Yusuf Ali)

Alright, and this verse tell us that ALL messenger have passway:

Surah 3:144: And Muhammad is no
more than a messenger; the
messengers have already passed
away BEFORE HIM; if then he dies or
is killed will you turn back upon your
heels? (Shakir)
[size=16pt]
if Surah 3:144 intends to exclude Jesus as one of the messengers who passed away before Muhammad, then it would have read, “All the Apostles before Muhammad died except Isa son of Maryam.” But we find no such thing.
Hence Surah 3:144 proves that Jesus
must have died as the Gospels clearly
and honestly testify.

I notice, you are running from the question I ask, rilwayn could not answer it either, did John die or not ? [/size]

God bless you my brother. Great job. Even a primary school pupils will undstand this sura clearly said Jesus died. But as usual. Muhammad (SBUH) Is a man of copy and rewrite. Muslims with thier pride will not accept the obvious truth you posted there. Islam is Lies.

mubarakopeyemi:


you again

The truth will keep Hunting you...

plappville:


God bless you my brother. Great job. Even a primary school pupils will undstand this sura clearly said Jesus died. But as usual. Muhammad (SBUH) Is a man of copy and rewrite. Muslims with thier pride will not accept the obvious truth you posted there. Islam is Lies.

God bless you too. Let the truth be sealed in their heart.

malvisguy212:
God bless you too. Let the truth be sealed in their heart.

Amen bro..for those who seek the truth.

mubarakopeyemi:


after all you trusted the verse and wanted to use it in the wrong way to justify your false claim. why not use it to justify the fact that he's merely a messenger. yeye dey smell. Such a hypocrite you are.

yes that's why Jesus will come back and destroy addajal and die a natural death which he will buried in the Arabia. And later on judgement day too All shall be dead and Allah shall remain over a period of time.



already dealth with this.

[s][/s]

trash!

Jesus will die? Na waoh for Muhammad ooo...
This Same allah who said the mosque in mecca is the safest place for mankind, yet we see the opposite...


Lo! the first Sanctuary (bayt) appointed for mankind was that at Becca [Mecca], a blessed place, a guidance for mankind; wherein are plain memorials (of God’s guidance); the place where Abraham stood up to pray; and whosoever enters it is safe. And pilgrimage to the House is a duty unto God for mankind, for him who can find a way there. As for him who disbelieves, (let him know that) lo! God is Independent of (all) creatures. [6]

So why do pilgrims always die there?

.