He actually has a point here. Not to say that Hitler wasn't atheistic in his decisions, but he used Christianity as a tool to propagate his agenda. The op's point, in my understanding, is that the same could be said about terrorists and Islam.

Scholar8200:
Where did Hitler quote this?

So if I tell you that it is wrong to lie, you must ask me where I quoted it from? Really?

Scholar8200:
Where did Hitler quote this?

So if I tell you that it is wrong to lie, you must ask me where I quoted it from? Really?

Hitler said that he is following the commandments of his God and I have quoted where your God said you should kill.

abduljabbar4:

By "pretending" to be a christian .

Let me help you because you are so ignorant it hurts.

Although Hitler lost the presidential election of 1932, he achieved his goals, [size=15pt]when he was appointed chancellor on 30 January 1933. On February 27, Hindenburg paved the way to dictatorship and war by issuing the Reichstag Fire Decree which nullified civil liberties.[/size]

Now when they say civil Liberty is nullified what does this mean and what aspects of humanity does civil Liberty touch?

abduljabbar4:

Don't mind him. He thinks we toddlers


Deuteronomy 13:
6 If your very own brother, or your son or
daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest
friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and
worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor
your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples
around you, whether near or far, from one end of
the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or
listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare
them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put
them to death. Your hand must be the first in
putting them to death, and then the hands of all
the people. 10 Stone them to death, because
they tried to turn you away from the Lord your
God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the
land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be
afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil
thing again.

I cant find the quote below up there:

abduljabbar4:

“I believe today that I am acting in the
sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am
fighting for the Lord’s work.”
[Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

abduljabbar4:


So if I tell you that it is wrong to lie, you must ask me where I quoted it from? Really?

Hitler [b]said that he is following the commandments of his God[/b]and I have quoted where your God said you should kill.

Which of the commandments did he claim to be following?

You are not his PRO so dont put verses in his mouth!

Scholar8200:


Which of the commandments did he claim to be following?

You are not his PRO so dont put verses in his mouth!

So many of them. Eg the one in exodus 22:10

abduljabbar4:


So if I tell you that it is wrong to lie, you must ask me where I quoted it from? Really?

Hitler said that he is following the commandments of his God and I have quoted where your God said you should kill.

Let me school you further on civil Liberties and what it represents.

Civil liberties or personal freedoms are personal guarantees and freedoms that the government cannot abridge, either by law or by judicial interpretation, without due process. Though the scope of the term differs between countries,[size=15pt] civil liberties may include the freedom from torture, freedom from forced disappearance, freedom of conscience, freedom of press, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, the right to security and liberty, freedom of speech, the right to privacy, the right to equal treatment under the law and due process, the right to a fair trial, and the right to life. Other civil liberties include the right to own property, the right to defend oneself, and the right to bodily integrity. [/size]Within the distinctions between civil liberties and other types of liberty, distinctions exist between positive liberty/positive rights and negative liberty/negative rights.

I have helped to make bold the area of interest. Hitler Nullified Civil Liberty which means nobody had any rights except that given by the state and Christians have no right for Assembly, No right to Religion and no right of Expression.

abduljabbar4:


So many of them. Eg the one in exodus 22:10

Lol how old are you really?

4everGod:


Let me help you because you are so ignorant it hurts.

Although Hitler lost the presidential election of 1932, he achieved his goals, [size=15pt]when he was appointed chancellor on 30 January 1933. On February 27, Hindenburg paved the way to dictatorship and war by issuing the Reichstag Fire Decree which nullified civil liberties.[/size]

Now when they say civil Liberty is nullified what does this mean and what aspects of humanity does civil Liberty touch?

You are beating around the bush. You said that he was pretending to be a christian so why are you bringing this up?

APCsupporter:


You are beating around the bush. You said that he was pretending to be a christian so why are you bringing this up?

I brought that up to show the deception. He was elected by the people of germany both Christian or not and immediately he came into power he nullified their civil rights with focus on Christians. I already quoted his very words on his propaganda agenda and why he chose to show a different face in public.

4everGod:


Let me school you further on civil Liberties and what it represents.

Civil liberties or personal freedoms are personal guarantees and freedoms that the government cannot abridge, either by law or by judicial interpretation, without due process. Though the scope of the term differs between countries,[size=15pt] civil liberties may include the freedom from torture, freedom from forced disappearance, freedom of conscience, freedom of press, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, the right to security and liberty, freedom of speech, the right to privacy, the right to equal treatment under the law and due process, the right to a fair trial, and the right to life. Other civil liberties include the right to own property, the right to defend oneself, and the right to bodily integrity. [/size]Within the distinctions between civil liberties and other types of liberty, distinctions exist between positive liberty/positive rights and negative liberty/negative rights.

I have helped to make bold the area of interest. Hitler Nullified Civil Liberty which means nobody had any rights except that given by the state and Christians have no right for Assembly, No right to Religion and no right of Expression.

What the hell are you coming up with?

Lol! Op has really caught you guys by the balls

APCsupporter:


What the hell are you coming up with?

Lol! Op has really caught you guys by the balls

Nahh

Even the OP is just being childish with his assertions as he is clearly discombobulated.

Hitler was Aryan Christian

hopefuLandlord:
Hitler was Aryan Christian

Lol here comes another one. by the way its Arian and not Aryan

I am done here!

4everGod:


Let me school you further on civil Liberties and what it represents.

Civil liberties or personal freedoms are personal guarantees and freedoms that the government cannot abridge, either by law or by judicial interpretation, without due process. Though the scope of the term differs between countries,[size=15pt] civil liberties may include the freedom from torture, freedom from forced disappearance, freedom of conscience, freedom of press, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, the right to security and liberty, freedom of speech, the right to privacy, the right to equal treatment under the law and due process, the right to a fair trial, and the right to life. Other civil liberties include the right to own property, the right to defend oneself, and the right to bodily integrity. [/size]Within the distinctions between civil liberties and other types of liberty, distinctions exist between positive liberty/positive rights and negative liberty/negative rights.

I have helped to make bold the area of interest. Hitler Nullified Civil Liberty which means nobody had any rights except that given by the state and Christians have no right for Assembly, No right to Religion and no right of Expression.

You are not proving any point here. If you are trying to tell me why he MAY have decided to pretend to be a christian, then tell me why he didn't look for an excuse to kill those who he openly regarded to as inferior and instead killed them without any lie or pretence to justify his actions

When someone is bent on believing anything there is nothing anyone else can do. Self denial 101. OP enjoy your Hitler position and keep up with the spread of it.

Cheers.

4everGod:


Lol here comes another one. by the way its Arian and not Aryan

I am done here!

Its aryan

abduljabbar4:


Its aryan

Its Arian

But you can see he has nothing to say to that so he runs


What's clear is that Hitler was NOT an atheist

abduljabbar4:


You are not proving any point here. If you are trying to tell me why he MAY have decided to pretend to be a christian, then tell me why he didn't look for an excuse to kill those who he openly regarded to as inferior and instead killed them without any lie or pretence to justify his actions

I suppose you did not start the thread from the beginning.

Let me take you back to my post at the beginning.
[b]
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, gays? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)




Hitler admits public statements are hallucinated to persuade and have no bearing on truth.

these are private statements Hitler made. Atheists quote his public statments which sound Chritian in places. But I argue there were political lies callculated to hoodwink the masses. What did Hitler believe about public statments and propaganda? He tells us:

"To whom should propaganda be addressed? … It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses… The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself … its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect… it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result". (Main Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12)




Hitler's Lies in action

From Webstie Adolf Hitler, Christian, Atheist, or Neither?

"As an example of Hitler's honesty, consider the following from a letter by Hitler to the French fascist Hervé and published in the Nazi Völkischer Beobachter on October 26, 1930 (Heiden, Der Fuehrer, p. 414)" :

"I think I can assure you that there is no one in Germany who will not with all his heart approve any honest attempt at an improvement of relations between Germany and France. My own feelings force me to take the same attitude... The German people has the solemn intention of living in peace and friendship with all civilized nations and powers... And I regard the maintenance of peace in Europe as especially desirable and at the same time secured, if France and Germany, on the basis of equal sharing of natural human rights, arrive at a real inner understanding... The young Germany, that is led by me and that finds its expression in the National Socialist Movement, has only the most heartfelt desire for an understanding with other European nations."




Obviously he was lying, here's an even bigger lie.

Ibid

In a similar vein, consider this, from a speech in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1939: "Amongst the accusations which are directed against Germany in the so called democracies is the charge that the National Socialist State is hostile to religion. In answer to that charge I should like to make before the German people the following solemn declaration: 1. No one in Germany has in the past been persecuted because of his religious views, nor will anyone in the future be so persecuted..."



No one is going to persecuted for his/her religious views in Germany? Its' well documented that Hitler persecuted very many groups for their religious views, including Protestants, and Catholics. I think you need to read up about Auschwitz concentration camp and how many Jews they killed for their religious views yet Hitler claimed nobody was persecuted for religious views in the public. Hitler was an Atheistic deceiver!


If you believe Hitler was a Christian then you obviously do not know why he was called a Demopublican[/b]

AnonyNymous:
He actually has a point here. Not to say that Hitler wasn't atheistic in his decisions, but he used Christianity as a tool to propagate his agenda. The op's point, in my understanding, is that the same could be said about terrorists and Islam.

He was Arian Christian

He was NOT an atheist

who care about Hitler and Christianity. Both are fucking FRAUD

hopefuLandlord:

He was Arian Christian

He was NOT an atheist

I didn't say he was an atheist. When I say atheistic decisions, I meant that he disregarded the opinions of any god/belied system, but promoted himself to a god-like status, maybe I should've said autotheistic.
While carrying out his actions, he used Christianity as a tool for its propagation. The op's point is that, couldn't the same be said about terrorists and Islam?
***
Bottomline is, religion can be easily used to promote evil, everyone should think for themselves.

4evergod is gladly quoting "Table Talk"; a book that's been found to twist Hitler's words


The translation were manipulated to make Hitler look like an atheist and when challenged, such assertions were found to be true so far

That's the book he's holding on to?

He was Arian Christian

hopefuLandlord:
4evergod is gladly quoting "Table Talk"; a book that's been found to twist Hitler's words


The translation were manipulated to make Hitler look like an atheist and when challenged, such assertions were found to be true so far

That's the book he's holding on to?

He was Arian Christian

So quotes can be twisted? I never knew that. I wonder why it is then called a quote?

4everGod:


So quotes can be twisted? I never knew that. I wonder why it is then called a quote?

You sound very naive and new to quote twisting

Anyways its a good thing you didn't know that

Now go and find that out yourself, google is your friend

Hey Mr 4evergod

I found a comprehensive collection of those twisted words

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table_Talk

Go to "Controversies" section and be enlightened

If that's not satisfactory enough, I'll give more links, I have 13 different links with me, trusted due to them translating the words "verbatim" rather than twisting them like your dishonest table talk author did and you're regurgitating it here

hopefuLandlord:


You sound very naive and new to quote twisting

Anyways its a good thing you didn't know that

Now go and find that out yourself, google is your friend

Dude you are the naive one.

Quotes are literal copies of words spoken by people in their exact context. What can be twisted is the interpretation but not the quote itself.

Google is your friend.

Hitler was just against the kind of Christianity being practiced in Germany at the Time


He persecuted such Christians, persecuted atheists, persecuted anyone that's against his own brand of Christianity

hopefuLandlord:
Hey Mr 4evergod

I found a comprehensive collection of those twisted words

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table_Talk

Go to "Controversies" section and be enlightened

If that's not satisfactory enough, I'll give more links, I have 13 different links with me, trusted due to them translating the words "verbatim" rather than twisting them like your dishonest table talk author did and you're regurgitating it here

The very first statement under the controversies Title states thus;

ControversiesEdit

Although the table talk monologues are generally considered authentic

hopefuLandlord:
Hitler was just against the kind of Christianity being practiced in Germany at the Time


He persecuted such Christians, persecuted atheists, persecuted anyone that's against his own brand of Christianity

Show me proof that Hitler persecuted Atheists.

4everGod:


Dude you are the naive one.

Quotes are literal copies of words spoken by people in their exact context. What can be twisted is the interpretation but not the quote itself.

Google is your friend.

Oga, maybe you should do the Google search yourself, know how news operate and come back to swallow these words

Maybe you should Google the word "misquotes" and be enlightened

Sensationalism at its best is what Table Talk was about

Hitler was already being seen as "Atheist" by the west even while he was killing atheists, the church couldn't just class him as Christian so they spread propaganda and called him atheist

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_aspects_of_Nazism